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bernieb

(67 posts)
Sun Nov 17, 2024, 04:10 PM Nov 17

I own a micro bakery

The price of chocolate keeps going up. I use a Mexican vanilla blend and organic ginger powder from Ceylon. I can't imagine what these will cost me (along with the rest of the spices and extracts) under increased tariffs. And COFFEE? What's your morning cup of JOE gonna be? I'm seriously thinking of stocking up on what I can. I don't use anything artificial and that's already costly. I'm gonna tell my family the can get me a case of chocolate chips for Christmas.

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I own a micro bakery (Original Post) bernieb Nov 17 OP
Dark chocolate has a longer shelf life, possibly two years. Shermann Nov 17 #1
Climate change is impacting coffee, cocoa, and olive oil bucolic_frolic Nov 17 #2
I have a friend trying to open a coffee shop Phentex Nov 17 #3
She needs a business plan bernieb Nov 17 #9
She has that Phentex Nov 18 #32
One iof the yube tube coffee experts opened a coffee cafe, it crashed pretty quickly. Expensive machines Demovictory9 Nov 17 #26
No!!! Not coffee!!! Diamond_Dog Nov 17 #4
For coffee: get a roaster moonscape Nov 17 #5
It's possible to roast coffee beans on your stovetop FakeNoose Nov 17 #22
That's how my Croatian grandfather did moonscape Nov 17 #25
At my local weekend market there is a French couple that makes delicious breads and pastries. I asked about the bread mitch96 Nov 17 #6
If they can get bamagal62 Nov 17 #8
Tnx, I'll pass it on...nt mitch96 Nov 17 #18
This message was self-deleted by its author bamagal62 Nov 18 #31
Those who ForgedCrank Nov 17 #24
You know. bamagal62 Nov 18 #29
I might get be wrong. bamagal62 Nov 18 #30
Try Trinidad and Tobago malaise Nov 17 #7
I should make a Penzey's order Bettie Nov 17 #10
I've been wondering about avocados. japple Nov 17 #11
Depends a lot on where you live. Lots of avo trees here on the Central Coast, but the cost of water is high Hekate Nov 17 #15
Climate change has been impacting coffee and cacao beans for quite a few years already... Hekate Nov 17 #12
This! FakeNoose Nov 17 #21
soylent green lapfog_1 Nov 17 #27
It depends. Igel Nov 17 #13
I am going to buy a supply of coffee beans and put it in my freezer. kimbutgar Nov 17 #14
There won't be any pesky expiration regulations anymore Emile Nov 17 #16
Do you use fair trade products? Mosby Nov 17 #17
Buy your Coffee from Hawaii or South Carolina mtngirl47 Nov 17 #19
Had a family member who used a "chocolate broker" to get better pricing? That was 30 years ago. Evolve Dammit Nov 17 #20
Whole bean coffee keeps for about a year under proper conditions hatrack Nov 17 #23
I hope you can figure out a way to keep your bakery going Meowmee Nov 17 #28

Shermann

(8,717 posts)
1. Dark chocolate has a longer shelf life, possibly two years.
Sun Nov 17, 2024, 04:15 PM
Nov 17

This is because dark chocolate has a higher cocoa content and lacks milk solids, which makes it less prone to spoilage.

I don't currently have any in my preps but may stock up.

Phentex

(16,554 posts)
3. I have a friend trying to open a coffee shop
Sun Nov 17, 2024, 04:19 PM
Nov 17

Even before now I told her not to do it. She lives in a small town so there aren't as many commuters/coffee addicts as some places. She has no idea how many cups of coffee she'll need to sell to keep the doors open. I fear she is just throwing money away.

bernieb

(67 posts)
9. She needs a business plan
Sun Nov 17, 2024, 04:56 PM
Nov 17

Never start a business without some kind of plan. I started very small and worked at it. I now do two farmers markets a week and community events June to the end of September. Christmas is crazy.

Phentex

(16,554 posts)
32. She has that
Mon Nov 18, 2024, 06:13 PM
Nov 18

my concerns are

1. She has never worked in a coffee shop
2. Her only retail experience is 3 months in a gift shop
3. She's very slow to do anything/easily distracted
4. She does not have a lot of money
5. She has medical issues
6. She wants to lease a space right down the street from an established breakfast place
7. She just turned 63

She is a dear, sweet person and close friend so I worry for her!

Demovictory9

(33,919 posts)
26. One iof the yube tube coffee experts opened a coffee cafe, it crashed pretty quickly. Expensive machines
Sun Nov 17, 2024, 10:59 PM
Nov 17

Couldn't compete with the the big companies with respect to having the latest expresso machines..$5000 ' $15000 machines.

Didn't have a big clientele in his small town

moonscape

(5,392 posts)
5. For coffee: get a roaster
Sun Nov 17, 2024, 04:24 PM
Nov 17

and stock up on green beans! No way to stock up on already roasted

Oh, and hope your roaster doesn’t poop out!

FakeNoose

(35,946 posts)
22. It's possible to roast coffee beans on your stovetop
Sun Nov 17, 2024, 07:11 PM
Nov 17

... if you're careful, and if you stand at your stove to stir every minute or so.

When we're all unemployed that shouldn't be too difficult to do.

moonscape

(5,392 posts)
25. That's how my Croatian grandfather did
Sun Nov 17, 2024, 10:48 PM
Nov 17

it when he visited us in the 50’s. Then he ground what I’d call his burnt beans in his Turkish grinder before making his Turkish coffee.

mitch96

(14,742 posts)
6. At my local weekend market there is a French couple that makes delicious breads and pastries. I asked about the bread
Sun Nov 17, 2024, 04:36 PM
Nov 17

b/c the baguettes are absolutely out of this world. She said they get their flour and yeast from France. I looked it up and French wheat is a softer wheat. I don't know what they are gonna do if they get "tarriffed" on their wheat. I sure would miss it if they stop b/c of cost..
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bamagal62

(3,683 posts)
8. If they can get
Sun Nov 17, 2024, 04:46 PM
Nov 17

White Lily flour, it is soft wheat flour. It’s what we use in the south to bake with. Biscuits aren’t the same without it.

Response to mitch96 (Reply #18)

ForgedCrank

(2,362 posts)
24. Those who
Sun Nov 17, 2024, 07:48 PM
Nov 17

know, you can't make decent biscuits without White Lily flour. I've tried, and they never turn out the same

bamagal62

(3,683 posts)
29. You know.
Mon Nov 18, 2024, 01:50 AM
Nov 18

I’ve tried. And it’s a disaster! I could not get Lily white in Chicago. My biscuits were for shit! I did d try “cake flour”. But it wasn’t the same!

bamagal62

(3,683 posts)
30. I might get be wrong.
Mon Nov 18, 2024, 01:54 AM
Nov 18

But, even though, they say white Lily is a Tennessee company. I do think the soft wheat they grow might be in Virginia.

Bettie

(17,346 posts)
10. I should make a Penzey's order
Sun Nov 17, 2024, 05:15 PM
Nov 17

before things go bad.

I am also stocking up on shelf-stable foods that keep a long time.

Once they start rounding up all the farm workers, well, our food delivery system will fall apart.

Hekate

(95,151 posts)
15. Depends a lot on where you live. Lots of avo trees here on the Central Coast, but the cost of water is high
Sun Nov 17, 2024, 05:50 PM
Nov 17

Farmers have to charge according to what it costs them to produce, pack, and ship. They need seasonal pickers, like all agricultural products, which of course will be affected by Trump’s insane ideas.

OTOH if a tree is growing in your yard you are set. (During the recent high winds dozens and dozens of unripe avos were dumped in my SIL’s back yard off a neighbor’s unmaintained and overly tall tree. We have a big bowl of them ripening on our kitchen counter)

I don’t know if we are to expect diseases or insects to impact the trees in the coming year(s) but it would not surprise me.

Hekate

(95,151 posts)
12. Climate change has been impacting coffee and cacao beans for quite a few years already...
Sun Nov 17, 2024, 05:39 PM
Nov 17

Your average chocolate bar has degraded quite a bit as a result, and a box of good chocolates is also not what it used to be.

Coffee and chocolate are two of my favorite substances, alas.

FakeNoose

(35,946 posts)
21. This!
Sun Nov 17, 2024, 07:07 PM
Nov 17

We'll in the same boat. I don't think I can live without either coffee or chocolate.

lapfog_1

(30,225 posts)
27. soylent green
Sun Nov 17, 2024, 10:59 PM
Nov 17

at the end where Edward G Robinson goes to the suicide chamber and they give him "real strawberry preserves" before they kill him, they should have made it a real chocolate bar.

The climate crises is here.

"soylent green is people!!!"

Igel

(36,201 posts)
13. It depends.
Sun Nov 17, 2024, 05:49 PM
Nov 17

From what I remember reading, Congress is in charge of tariffs.

The president can impose tariffs under granted authority if he declares it in the national interest as the result of some emergency; he has a free had if there's a finding of unfair trade practices or restraint of trade. (up to 50%, I think).

I don't recall other tariffs that wouldn't be struck down.

Biden kept and in a few cases increased tariffs on some goods, esp. those from China. Think Chinese-made EVs, for instance. I think there's a long-standing issue with Canadian timber. But he's waived some requirements for imported EVs from Europe, last I remember hearing.

kimbutgar

(23,525 posts)
14. I am going to buy a supply of coffee beans and put it in my freezer.
Sun Nov 17, 2024, 05:49 PM
Nov 17

When those dumpft tariff hits the price of coffee is going to be crazy. We don’t grow coffee beans here.

mtngirl47

(1,102 posts)
19. Buy your Coffee from Hawaii or South Carolina
Sun Nov 17, 2024, 06:32 PM
Nov 17

Some of the best coffee in the world is grown in the United States!

Evolve Dammit

(18,999 posts)
20. Had a family member who used a "chocolate broker" to get better pricing? That was 30 years ago.
Sun Nov 17, 2024, 06:34 PM
Nov 17

hatrack

(61,136 posts)
23. Whole bean coffee keeps for about a year under proper conditions
Sun Nov 17, 2024, 07:43 PM
Nov 17

Proper conditions being a cool, dry location, and in a sealed container.

Meowmee

(6,011 posts)
28. I hope you can figure out a way to keep your bakery going
Sun Nov 17, 2024, 11:12 PM
Nov 17

I will be stocking up on coffee as well. The price of chocolate started going way up during the pandemic and never dropped, at least for ready made products. It was price gouging on comfort foods. I used to get Hershey's chocolate for my father in bulk and then kept getting it after he died for myself- a natural anti depressant. It went from about $20 per box on sale all the way to $36- the last increases in $2 or so increments in only a few months maybe at the end. I stopped buying it when it went too high and now I noticed it is not carried anymore where I purchased it in our area, so I guess others did too.

I did not drink coffee for over 40 years but started last year. I drink instant and get ground for my family. The instant I drink is fairly cheap. We don't have a coffee bean grinder anymore.

I did some baking at farmer's markets for a while, it was too much work and too expensive. I switched to something else. My grandmother was an excellent baker and I inherited it. But I can't eat any of that now due to type 1 diabetes. I have learned to bake some nice alternatives with almond and other low carb flours.

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