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Diamond_Dog

(35,631 posts)
Sun Nov 17, 2024, 06:00 PM Nov 17

Haitian immigrants flee Springfield, Ohio, in droves after Trump election win

From a tiny office behind a Haitian grocery store on Springfield’s South Limestone Street, Margery Koveleski has spent years helping local Haitians overcome bureaucratic red tape to make their lives in the Ohio city a little bit easier.

But Koveleski – whose family is Haitian – has noticed a major change recently.

Haitians are now coming to her to figure out how to leave.

“Some folks don’t have credit cards or access to the internet, and they want to buy a bus ticket or a plane ticket, so we help them book a flight,” she told the Guardian recently. “People are leaving.”

Koveleski, leaders in Springfield’s Haitian community, and others have relayed reports of Haitians fleeing the city of 60,000 people in recent days for fear of being rounded up and deported after Donald Trump’s victory in the 5 November presidential election.

“The owner of one store is wondering if he should move back to New York or to Chicago – he says his business is way down,” Koveleski remarked.

Trump has repeatedly said he would end immigrants’ temporary protected status (TPS) – the provision through which many Haitians are legally allowed to live and work in the US – and deport Haitians from Springfield once in office.

For many, the threats are real.

A sheriff in Sidney, a town 40 miles (64km) north-west of Springfield that is home to several dozen Haitian immigrants, allegedly told local police in September to “get a hold of these people and arrest them”.

“Bring them – I’ll figure out if they’re legal,” he said, referencing Haitian immigrants in the area.

As Jacob Payen, a co-founder of the Haitian Community Alliance who runs a business that includes helping Haitians in Springfield to file tax returns, said: “People are fully aware of the election result, and that is why they are leaving; they are afraid of a mass deportation.

“Several of my customers have left. One guy with his family went to New Jersey; others have gone to Boston. I know three families that have gone to Canada.”

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https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/nov/17/haitian-immigrants-springfield-ohio-trump-election

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Haitian immigrants flee Springfield, Ohio, in droves after Trump election win (Original Post) Diamond_Dog Nov 17 OP
How horrible! CaliforniaPeggy Nov 17 #1
Me too Peggy Diamond_Dog Nov 17 #6
Welcome to Trump's Fascist America B.See Nov 18 #22
Well, there goes their small manufacturing workforce haele Nov 17 #2
You nailed it, Haele Diamond_Dog Nov 17 #4
Any undocumented immigrants should head to either California or Chicago MichMan Nov 17 #3
Haitians are documented. LisaL Nov 17 #5
Which is why they need to go to a friendly state MichMan Nov 17 #8
The Japanese U.S. citizens in WW2 were also documented with U.S. birth certificates.. LiberalArkie Nov 17 #15
The weather is better in Cali. COL Mustard Nov 17 #11
Trumpers are salivating -- more suffering, sooner! enough Nov 17 #7
My heart breaks for those folks and for what is happening to America. Doodley Nov 17 #9
Agreed-my first thought was another group of human beings hurt by T duhneece Nov 17 #17
They're welcome in Springfield Better Days Ahoy Nov 17 #10
Sad as it is, they are correct in leaving Ohio Norbert Nov 17 #12
I'm originally from Ohio liberalhistorian Nov 17 #19
Lies and words matter. Fuck You JD Vance and Orange Slobfather. YOU caused this and it has hurt Springfield. Evolve Dammit Nov 17 #13
Wtf with the last paragraph Libloom Nov 17 #14
Heartbreaking.. they are here legally mountain grammy Nov 17 #16
RACISM MAKES YOU STEWPED FightFight Nov 17 #18
You are ABSOLUTELY CORRECT. B.See Nov 18 #21
mass deportation will affect tens of millions AlexSFCA Nov 17 #20

CaliforniaPeggy

(152,775 posts)
1. How horrible!
Sun Nov 17, 2024, 06:09 PM
Nov 17

TFG is the one that needs deporting. How infuriating his actions are, and they will only get worse.

Really pisses me off!

haele

(13,781 posts)
2. Well, there goes their small manufacturing workforce
Sun Nov 17, 2024, 06:12 PM
Nov 17

And half their tax base.
Hey Sheriff "I'll figure out who's here legally or not". How are you going to like losing a quarter to half your budget next financial planning go-round?
And he's probably not going to admit in his tiny hate filled mind that he and his type are playing a large part in the future economic death of his relatively rural county.

The Factory owners have already told you they either can't and don't want to hire half your white "working class" high school graduates due to attitude problems. Those immigrants are keeping your small towns alive.

Haele

MichMan

(13,915 posts)
3. Any undocumented immigrants should head to either California or Chicago
Sun Nov 17, 2024, 06:21 PM
Nov 17

Both have already indicated they won't cooperate with ICE.

LisaL

(46,907 posts)
5. Haitians are documented.
Sun Nov 17, 2024, 06:32 PM
Nov 17

MAGA don't seem to care if an immigrant is documented or not.

duhneece

(4,291 posts)
17. Agreed-my first thought was another group of human beings hurt by T
Sun Nov 17, 2024, 08:11 PM
Nov 17

Yet another group of people to cry for.

Norbert

(6,708 posts)
12. Sad as it is, they are correct in leaving Ohio
Sun Nov 17, 2024, 07:38 PM
Nov 17

Not so much DeWine. He gets it but does not have the backbone to stand up to trump.

Ohio is going to get a lot worse before it ever gets better.

liberalhistorian

(20,860 posts)
19. I'm originally from Ohio
Sun Nov 17, 2024, 08:49 PM
Nov 17

and now am fortunate enough to live in Minnesota. My ASD son and elderly mother still live in Ohio and hubby and I are bringing them here to live with us as soon as the family home in Ohio is sold. We'd planned to make that move next summer, but have moved up that timeline as I want them out of Ohio ASAP.

And I've told other family that this Christmas is the last time I'll travel to Ohio; I refuse to travel to a red state after the inauguration. I just don't trust it, especially having Minnesota license plates.

Evolve Dammit

(19,604 posts)
13. Lies and words matter. Fuck You JD Vance and Orange Slobfather. YOU caused this and it has hurt Springfield.
Sun Nov 17, 2024, 07:45 PM
Nov 17

Libloom

(40 posts)
14. Wtf with the last paragraph
Sun Nov 17, 2024, 07:59 PM
Nov 17

“They don’t have any faith in the Democratic party,” she said. “Some believe that if Donald Trump says, ‘leave Haiti alone,’ he’s going to leave us alone.”

mountain grammy

(27,472 posts)
16. Heartbreaking.. they are here legally
Sun Nov 17, 2024, 08:06 PM
Nov 17

but we all know that's not really the issue now is it? This is awful.

FightFight

(233 posts)
18. RACISM MAKES YOU STEWPED
Sun Nov 17, 2024, 08:46 PM
Nov 17

The White Ethno State believes it is better to have a dead town than a bustling one made by hard working black people

It reminds me of all the people who said obamacare was different from the ACA so that they wouldnt have to accept health care from President Obama's black hands https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/07/upshot/one-third-dont-know-obamacare-and-affordable-care-act-are-the-same.html

willful ignorance --sincere stupidity

B.See

(4,203 posts)
21. You are ABSOLUTELY CORRECT.
Mon Nov 18, 2024, 04:59 PM
Nov 18

WILLFUL ignorance (and I like that phrase "sincere stupidity).

I remember once reading of some state (don't remember which) that deliberately named the ACA something else, just so their resident HATERS wouldn't think it was a healthcare plan delivered by the despised Black man in the white house.

AlexSFCA

(6,276 posts)
20. mass deportation will affect tens of millions
Sun Nov 17, 2024, 09:07 PM
Nov 17

this is because of the upcoming executive order that nullifies birthright citizenship. Unfortunately, it is applied retroactively. Meaning children of undocumented immigrants who were born here, would be stripped of citizenship status, much like jews were in nazi Germany. Not to mention enforcement of laws that would incriminate those US citizens who resist and provide safe harbor to undocumented folks. I am least worried about Mexico which has better economic potential compared to many in Latin America so especially english speaking deportees would be able to manage. I would be more concerned about countries with ongoing wars and conflicts - it’s like sending people to die. Hope Mexico can accept those too. This is a new reality - and I am not so sure that being sent to a concentration camp (aka detention center) is better than “self-deportation”. Knowing this administration, one can expect total sadists hired as guards for those camps.

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