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wiseowljedi

(73 posts)
Mon Nov 18, 2024, 10:05 AM Nov 18

Democrats need to learn how to do the Haka

If you have not seen the video yet you need to see it:

Hana-Rawhiti Maipi-Clarke a member of New Zealand's Parliament responds to a proposed bill to change an 1840 treaty with the country's indigenous tribe the Maori.
There are different ways to deal with oppression and injustice. You can be polite and civilized or you can show your anger and your outrage.
New Zealand has Clarke and we have Jasmine Crockett. We need more young Democrats to get vocal about fighting for democracy and the values that our country must defend. This takes a lot of courage and we can only pray they find it!

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Democrats need to learn how to do the Haka (Original Post) wiseowljedi Nov 18 OP
Haven't seen the video but totally agree! LearnedHand Nov 18 #1
Just go to YouTube or TikTok and search haka New Zealand wiseowljedi Nov 18 #7
I agree it would be awesome BUT, cultural appropriation concerns will scuttle that idea...... nt kelly1mm Nov 18 #2
We know how to share. cbabe Nov 18 #3
LOL, yep DeepWinter Nov 18 #5
Took the words right out of my mouth BannonsLiver Nov 18 #6
HAH! OldBaldy1701E Nov 18 #9
Here's the thing... meadowlander Nov 18 #13
I was actually referring to here in the US. OldBaldy1701E Nov 18 #15
🌺. Mahalo nui loa for all this information. Hele on. Hekate Nov 18 #21
Did you ever see Lilo & Stich and all the little girls learning hula? Kick out the redhead? Hekate Nov 18 #12
my favorite disney movie. mopinko Nov 18 #16
Disney really pleased me with their character portrayals in Lilo&Stich and Moana ... Hekate Nov 18 #17
yeah. it's also their last hand painted movie. it's so gorgeous. mopinko Nov 18 #20
Yes, I thought so too. Hekate Nov 18 #22
Haka Stuns New Zealand Parliament: Watch Youngest MP Rip Bill On Cam cbabe Nov 18 #4
There are 1 million Maori's in NZ 20%of the total population. wiseowljedi Nov 18 #8
Wow i need a cigarette after that LearnedHand Nov 18 #14
🌺 You go, girl! 🌺 Hekate Nov 18 #18
Indeed. OldBaldy1701E Nov 18 #10
For what? WhiskeyGrinder Nov 18 #11
I too am definitely missing the imperative and possibly the whole point. TheKentuckian Nov 18 #19
Um...no. Iggo Nov 18 #23

LearnedHand

(4,076 posts)
1. Haven't seen the video but totally agree!
Mon Nov 18, 2024, 10:41 AM
Nov 18

The haka is a very powerful statement. Do you have a link to that video?

DeepWinter

(499 posts)
5. LOL, yep
Mon Nov 18, 2024, 11:51 AM
Nov 18

I am so done with cultural appropriation. The history of humanity is trade. Every culture have been trading and appropriating since day 1. Food, spices, tools, raw materials, ideas, art. Welcome to history.

BannonsLiver

(18,015 posts)
6. Took the words right out of my mouth
Mon Nov 18, 2024, 12:03 PM
Nov 18

Days and weeks of debate about how awful and over privileged it was and how everyone involved should be deeply ashamed.

OldBaldy1701E

(6,393 posts)
9. HAH!
Mon Nov 18, 2024, 02:29 PM
Nov 18

I once watched someone rail on and on about cultural appropriation... while wearing jeans and sneakers.

Isn't it wild that it only seems to work one way?

The whole point of the 'Great Melting Pot' was the mixing of culture and society. I guess we have decided to ignore that concept these days.

meadowlander

(4,741 posts)
13. Here's the thing...
Mon Nov 18, 2024, 02:45 PM
Nov 18

White European settlers came to New Zealand, violated the Treaty that allowed them to come there, stole land, killed people, kidnapped kids, forced them to go to schools where they were beaten for speaking te reo and doing the haka, told them for generations that their culture was inferior and forced them to obey "superior" Western cultural norms.

It's only in the past thirty years or so that efforts have been made to save te reo Maori as a language and to recognise the contributions of Maori indigenous knowledge and values to New Zealand society.

So sorry but it's ridiculous to compare white people shaking their hands and asses and repeating words that "sound cool" when a rugby team does it with no concept of what those words actually mean or the cultural context they come from to Maori kids wearing jeans. They didn't sign up for a "Melting Pot" and even today they have barely recovered from one.

The Treaty Bill being proposed by ACT would fundamentally rewrite the principles of the Treaty of Waitangi. Basically it's saying "the British Crown and the Maori chiefs signed an agreement 180 years ago allowing British people to settle legally in New Zealand on the basis that Maori chiefs retained kawanatanga, or governship of their own people and the rights to administer their own "treasures" including their lands, fishing rights, their native language, cultural heritage, etc."

Now ACT wants to rewrite that completely to say the principles of the Treaty are that all people have equal rights under the law when that is explicitly not what the Treaty says. It says that the British Crown will protect Maori and empower them to look after their own interests. ACT have decided that since they are part of a coalition government currently in power that they can rewrite that Treaty unilaterally. But they are not a party to the Treaty. The British Crown is. And their Bill has less than 20% popular support which is why Te Pati Maori tore a draft of it up - to say this is nonsense that you have no right to introduce into Parliament.

That's the cultural context in which they are shouting "ka mate, ka mate" - it is death to our culture and to our rights to agree to this Bill.

So I'll take a generous interpretation of the OP's proposal - that we need more of people standing up and getting in the face of bullshit right-wing proposals but not literally that they do the haka stripped of all of the cultural context that makes it a meaningful gesture in the first place.

"Let's all be a melting pot" is literally the opposite of what they are trying to say which is "you don't get to assimilate us on your terms."

OldBaldy1701E

(6,393 posts)
15. I was actually referring to here in the US.
Mon Nov 18, 2024, 06:54 PM
Nov 18

The comment I was responding to did not mention a specific area, just that the concept of cultural appropriation would interfere with doing anything like this here in the US. I was also talking about events that were here in the US. The person I was referring to was here in the US.

I am well aware of why the. Maori did what they did. I support it. I am glad they did it. I hope that there will be something like it done here, but that is wishful thinking.

Hekate

(94,763 posts)
12. Did you ever see Lilo & Stich and all the little girls learning hula? Kick out the redhead?
Mon Nov 18, 2024, 02:39 PM
Nov 18

Don’t think so….

Hekate

(94,763 posts)
17. Disney really pleased me with their character portrayals in Lilo&Stich and Moana ...
Mon Nov 18, 2024, 10:19 PM
Nov 18

I really like these two stories.

mopinko

(71,842 posts)
20. yeah. it's also their last hand painted movie. it's so gorgeous.
Mon Nov 18, 2024, 10:27 PM
Nov 18

havent seen the other. came out about the time my kids were too big for disney.
lilo was very not a princess. they did a good job of showing hawaiian culture w/o reducing it to kitch, but also the struggle to keep it.

cbabe

(4,179 posts)
4. Haka Stuns New Zealand Parliament: Watch Youngest MP Rip Bill On Cam
Mon Nov 18, 2024, 11:40 AM
Nov 18

Bill will destroy Māori constitutional rights as New Zealand turns hard right.

https://m.

OldBaldy1701E

(6,393 posts)
10. Indeed.
Mon Nov 18, 2024, 02:31 PM
Nov 18

Many years ago, I was privileged to film the National Hula Competition in Orlando. I enjoyed it so much. (I also played music there as well.)

I would love to see this happen. Like, every time those rethugs start in with their 'Project', a major Haka should immediately break out.

I would be grabbing my drum, that is for sure!

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