Joe, execute your fucking power

[Aviation Pro]

Enough!

[tritsofme]

1. Enough with the dictator-porn. It's fucking gross.

[Aviation Pro]

2. Enough with people who don't value their and other's lives.

Read my sig line.

Good day.

[tritsofme]

5. You are the one demanding other people put their lives on the line to stage a coup

It’s really just silly at this point.

No one is going to stage a coup for you, the election is over, that is just reality.

[Elessar Zappa]

3. His options are limited.

[Aviation Pro]

4. The same limits on Motherfucker?

There are no limits.

[onenote]

7. Okay, then. Since Joe isn't going to do what you want.

What are you going to do since you are convinced there are "no limits"? Leave the country? Hide in your basement and rely on door dash for food? Curious as to how you intend to live your life or do you think there is no saving your life and that you'll soon be dead at the hands of Trump and his supporters?

[Eliot Rosewater]

54. I feel ya...I will NEVER forgive the NOSE HOLDERS from 2016

[Matthew28]

6. Will result in civil war

Do we have the strength and numbers to win it?

[Aviation Pro]

8. Yes, yes we do....

...and unless I miss my guess, President Biden is still Commander in Chief.

[Sympthsical]

9. You first, chief

[DSandra]

89. Would people rather live in bondage to fascists....or die a free person?

You better bet that they will kill many Americans and arrest liberals for use as slave labor in the fields in replacement of the undocumented immigrants.

[FBaggins]

10. I'm coming to the conclusion that we owe Trump an apology

I had assumed that this level of crazy only existed among his followers.

[tritsofme]

11. It has been very eye-opening, and incredibly disappointing.

[Kid Berwyn]

22. Eye-opening is right. "Go Along to Get Along."

Glad to add I'm not one of those happy to go along with the coming bigly Turd Reich.

[tritsofme]

25. If you want to live in pretend-land where a coup is an option, I don't know what to tell you.

[Kid Berwyn]

29. What coup?

Handing the country over to a traitor who violently attempted to overthrow the government -- and now promises to make the military loyal to him instead of the Constitution -- would be dereliction of duty as a citizen of the United States of America.

But if that's a coup to you, all right and great! Are you going to report me?

[tritsofme]

33. Except now it is you advocating a violent overthrow of the government.

[Kid Berwyn]

35. Where?

Show where on this or any post I've made where I advocate for violence.

And I believe you would would turn me in.

[tritsofme]

38. I didn't realize this delusion extended to you thinking staging a coup wouldn't be violent.

And I would absolutely turn you in for committing 1/6 type crimes, I hope everyone here would.

[Kid Berwyn]

39. You said coup. I asked President Biden to use his SCrOTUS given powers.

As for this:

And I would absolutely turn you in for committing 1/6 type crimes, I hope everyone here would.

It says nothing about me and everything about you.

[tritsofme]

43. Done humoring these insurrection fantasies, enjoy.

[Kid Berwyn]

46. Remember to apologize for writing I advocated violence.

My point being I want President Biden to use everything in his power to keep the nation out of a traitor's hands.

[wnylib]

71. Specifically, what are those powers?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

100. Super Powers

[TheKentuckian]

91. Criminal immunity for official acts conveys no new powers.

So, what do you want him to do and is it okay for Chump or a Republican to do it or will we be assassinating any R that pokes their head up until Doomsday?

[Elessar Zappa]

12. Most Democrats don't want a dictator, most Republicans do, there's the difference.

[FBaggins]

20. You may have missed the OP

I can't wait for them to realize that they don't need Biden in this case. Harris can handle it herself on January 6th by refusing to certify the stolen election.

[tritsofme]

23. And if she refuses, maybe we can lead groups of tourists through the Capitol

and stop the count? Yea, that’s the ticket!

[Maru Kitteh]

32. I get what you're saying here but in all honesty, I would . .

volunteer to shit on Ted Cruz’s desk, if I just happened to be in town and it was requested of me.

I’m not that good at pooping on demand but I’m willing to give it a shot.

[Elessar Zappa]

31. I read the OP but I don't believe

it’s a mainstream view in our party.

[Aviation Pro]

36. So is rollover and die the mainstream view?

That's not the way I was raised, I was raised to confront bullies.

[Blue Full Moon]

51. You are 100% correct

There is no fence sitting. This is a National Security threat. If no one stands up they will do what they want with no controls. The election needs to be redone. Russian interference. Foreign actors with propaganda. American citizens being denied the chance to vote. Starlink controlled by Musk. Voting irregularities. Don't forget the biggie, the big lie. The republicans always falsely accuse democrats of what they are actually guilty of. So it becomes a chilling effect so you can't talk about it.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

74. What is the mechanism by which we have new elections?

How would it work? Thank you in advance.

[Blue Full Moon]

75. Well considering that this happened and should not have.

Exordinary events so special election.
So just roll over and let Putin destroy our country.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

76. Who is going to determine the election we just had is null and void?

[TheKentuckian]

107. Do we just keep the coup rolling until the results of the extralegal election are to our liking?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

115. Who is going to call for new elections? What statute or precedent will he or she cite?

I'm genuinely curious.

[FBaggins]

37. I hope so

I have to ask though… what should a “republicanunderground” have done when things like this came up four years ago?

Laughed/shouted that nonsense down - right?

[NH Ethylene]

103. Didn't a new law pass that makes the VP's role ceremonial?

And that the VP can't actually stop the election like Pence apparently could have.

[FBaggins]

106. Pence couldn't have done anything either

But if they won’t let the constitution stand in the way… what’s a little law going to do?

[Ms. Toad]

44. I made no such assumptions.

It's more blatant now, but it's been visible on DU for quite a while.

[joshcryer]

82. Sigh

It's part of their strategy. The "Russel Branding" of society. Take normal, rational folks, and turn them into raving lunatics.

[WarGamer]

84. Post.Of.The.Day.

[jcmaine72]

13. Sigh....

Do you realize what a dangerous precedent that would set? Once that genie's out of its bottle, there will be no way to put it back in. History demonstrates this again and again. That would become our nation's new method of succession, with no hope of ever regaining the republic we currently have. Besides, how long before someone even more dangerous than Trump (Say, some crackpot general) uses it to permanently seize power in our nation....6 months?...one year?

No thanks

[Self Esteem]

14. Do what?

Stop with the lazy shit-posting and explain what you think he should do.

I'm seriously tired of people who don't have a clue how things work opining about steps someone should take.

Let me guess, he has total immunity! What a lazy take. The Supreme Court never ruled any president has the capability to do whatever they want, just that they can't necessarily face legal actions for presidential acts.

Okay, so what? You want Biden to assassinate Trump?

Jail him?

How? You still need people to do the bidding. Who's going to arrest him? Who's going to try him (due process is still a thing)?

What the fuck do you want him to do and no, "SOMETHING" isn't an answer.

[Vinca]

15. For starters, he could pre-emptively pardon all the military people involved in the Afghanistan withdrawal and

put the brakes on that. Secondly, he could grant automatic citizenship to Dreamers. Probably wouldn't hold up legally, but it would delay their deportation. I think he should pardon his son. Sure, he did the crimes, but we're looking at hundreds of violent insurrectionist criminals being forgiven on January 20, 2025, and Hunter's crimes are small potatoes compared to them. Trump wants to ramp up federal executions of criminals on death row. Biden could stay that and turn it into a life sentence. There's lots of stuff he can do if he wants to.

[Self Esteem]

18. Thanks for proving my point.

People just want performative bullshit.

[Vinca]

21. I don't think it's performative if you can delay the Dreamers getting the bum's rush out of the country. Tie things up.

By the time their court case comes up the next election might be coming up. As for the military, that's the least we owe them. There's no reason they should be subjected to endless investigations and persecutions by the Trump hate machine.

[tritsofme]

26. Presidents don't have magic wands that confer citizenship.

Otherwise it would already be done.

There is realistically little that Biden can accomplish with the stroke of a pen that cannot be undone by Trump’s.

Schumer and Democrats are rightly focusing on confirming judges.

[Vinca]

49. I know that. I was suggesting it as a delay tactic. At this point it might get them to a sane Congress in 2 years.

[tritsofme]

53. Guess I'm just not seeing how issuing fraudulent paperwork helps or even delays anything.

[Vinca]

59. No? How many Trump criminal cases have come to trial.

[tritsofme]

61. Still not sure how issuing fraudulent paperwork serves any purpose.

But for giving Trump a list of people to go after.

[TheKentuckian]

109. I don't see how it buys a single day.

A President cannot make such a thing happen, there is nothing to debate or delay.

[whathehell]

30. Thank You..You are absolutely correct.

There is nothing "performative" about protecting our military AND vulnerable people in our communities.

[Ms. Toad]

47. He doesn't have the authority to grant citizenship.

If he did, it would have been done long ago.

And before anyone suggests it more concretely than the OP did, the Supreme Court gave Trump a get out of jail/get out of court card for most of his official acts. It did not grant him the authority to do those acts in the first place, nor did it grant those acts the authority of law. He can no more declare anyone a citizen than I can. Well, I guess we both could - but neither of our declarations would actually make someone a citizen.

[TheKentuckian]

108. None of that prevents the transition.

I agree with the pardons.

The President has no authority to grant citizenship. Holding up is irrelevant, there is no mechanism.

Whatever with Hunter. That is utterly.unimportant as can be to the larger situation.

I'm fine with converting sentences but again no impact on the broader world.

Most of your suggestions are fine and dandy but don't really address the core of the discussion at hand.

[Aviation Pro]

19. Responding to your shit post

That's not my fucking job to propose what the President should do.

What I do know is that President Biden is vested with enormous power to do what is necessary to safeguard the nation.

And those powers are about to be transferred to Motherfucker. if I were in the President's position, I would do anything to stop that transfer.

There are no more guardrails.

Read my fucking sig line.

Good day.

[ForgedCrank]

90. "Safeguard the nation"?

What if Trump declares all Democrats in congress to be a threat to the nation? See how that works? We have a system for this sort of thing, and we have it for this very reason. Joe Biden cannot and will not do any such things. The election is over and the voters made their decision. That decision is that Trump will be the President in 2 months no matter how much we disagree. What you are demanding is that Joe Biden be the very thing many are accusing Trump of being.
There are a great many people that need to let go of the campaign season, it's over now.

[Sympthsical]

24. Oh good, you went there first

I've been debating using the word "shitposting" to describe so many things I'm reading lately.

Because that's exactly what it is.

[Irish_Dem]

16. Putin wants the US to fight a civil war.

He also loves it when everyone rolls over.

Putin wins either way.

It is the same thing China will do when they invade Taiwan.

[Blappy]

85. The power of malignant AI, to divide us;

subsequently, can personally not align with any authoritarian nor cult leader, but I can get behind a cause. A righteous cause, for justice and the American weigh. Weigh, because of how much $$$ you got, because money + speech and corporations are people, my friend

[Irish_Dem]

87. Democracy has always been worth fighting for.

Perhaps this notion is old fashioned now.

The GOP and billionaires are done with democracy.
It stands in their goal of total permanent power and access to all US financial resources.

[MrWowWow]

17. Noli sinere te opprimant improbi

Translation:

Don't let the bastards grind you down.

This translates roughly to "Do not allow the wicked (or shameless) to oppress you," using more classical Latin terminology.

DU will continue to support an exchange of ideas and a peaceful insurgency. We are the people the future has been waiting for.

[The Unmitigated Gall]

27. Joe will never use Presidential power

To deny the electoral process.

I do believe he should use his pardon powers, at LEAST for the military brass, active and retired, for whom there are reportedly plans for court-martial and imprisonment.

[Shrek]

28. Be specific n/t

[Aviation Pro]

34. No

Good day.

[muriel_volestrangler]

110. So your wish is not for any particular act or outcome, just to see raw power wielded, for the heck of it

Apart from giving you a cheap thrill, is there any point, then?

Would declaring tomorrow "National Toasted Sandwich Day" be sufficient for you?

[TheKentuckian]

111. Being specific would short circuit the Veruca Salt routine.

[WhiskeyGrinder]

40. No one is coming to save you.

[Joinfortmill]

41. What exactly are you asking President Biden do?

Ah, I see from your responses that you can't or won't say exactly what you think President Biden should do . You sound afraid. I am, too. But, we can't just scream into the wind for Joe to do something, anything. Actually, I wouldn't be surprised if Joe was doing a few 'somethings' that we just won't learn about until the 'Adjudicated Rapist' triggers them. We are in dangerous political waters, let's remember who the enemy is, and it isn't us or President Biden.

[Aviation Pro]

50. Afraid?

I don’t fucking think so. But I don’t have the power or control that President Biden has up to 11:59 AM on Jan. 20th.

I can on the other hand control my little sphere of influence and I’ve exercised it already.

[ElementaryPenguin]

42. I agree with you, Aviation Pro!

A President's first duty is to defend and protect the Constitution (and this nation) from all enemies, foreign and domestic. Traitor Trump has pledged to terminate our Constitution, and is inextricably tied to our #1 foreign adversary, who is presently threatening us with nuclear war, and who has done everything it could to meddle and interfere in our election process.

[TheKentuckian]

93. This causes Biden to terminate the Constitution

the remedy sought sets it on fire.

[ElementaryPenguin]

99. Like Lincoln was forced to do, yes.

[TheKentuckian]

112. Lincoln did no such thing. What are you referring to?

Suspending habeas corpus?

I'd say the comparison would be fairly expansive from that during a hot war (and I'm not overly inclined to say he was acting within his authority, the Constitution doesn't grant such power and a President's power is from that source) to get to what folks seem to be inferring but refuse to exactly fess to.

We'd be overturning the whole order and would do so with absolutely no basis in the law or precedent so what would happen after that do you think?

[J_William_Ryan]

45. "I asked President Biden to use his SCrOTUS given powers."

What exactly would you have President Biden do.

Throw Trump in jail.

Ignore the will of the people, albeit stupid, ignorant, and wrong.

Declare himself dictator.

There is nothing lawfully, constitutionally President Biden can do.

And that President Biden wouldn’t do any of the above illustrates why he’s a great president, why Democrats are defenders of the rule of law and Constitution, and why Trump and the GOP are fascist thugs and scum.

[Ms. Toad]

48. If you are referring to the immunity decision -

The Supreme Court granted the president absolutely no power. It didn't make the act legal (not even when done by the president). It doesn't grant the act the power of law. It gave him a get-out-of-jail-free card, should any act he takes turn out to be illegal.

[Aviation Pro]

52. That's not what I'm opining about

…..

[Joinfortmill]

58. Sir, what exactly are you opining about?

That is question you have not answered.

[bigtree]

55. Joe can't assume protections provided Trump by a still sitting maga majority on the ultimate deciding SC

...afford him any protection from violations of the law, at all.

Especially since Roberts made clear their rulings were just for the case in front of them and don't apply to any other.

Love how people present their demanding that others put themselves in jeopardy with this kind of machismo, as if shouting the inane expectation makes it any more salient.

[Orrex]

56. Reminder: when positing an opinion, be sure to clear it with the cheerleaders first

Because the first priority is always to make fellow Democrats feel stupid, and to his end, the cheerleaders are more than happy to assign themselves the role of Gatekeeping Arbiters of Truth.

They alone are qualified to assess reality! Thye alone are free to voice opinions! They alone Know What’s Going On! They alone are free to speak in figurative or hyperbolic terms, while the rest of us are required to post material able to withstand prolonged cross-examination by top flight constitutional lawyers.

Thank god the cheerleaders are here to remind us how much smarter they fancy themselves to be, so that we can bask in their brilliance while Trump runs roughshod over local, state and federal laws with impunity. In the meantime we can take comfort in the knowledge that the cheerleaders prevented anyone from exaggerating, because truly that’s the greatest crime of all.
.

[Ms. Toad]

60. Right. I've lost count of how many times people have posted that Biden has power to do whatever he wants by fiat,

based on the immunity decision - which gives him zero power.

We're supposed to be the party based in reality.

[Orrex]

73. That's a great example--thanks!

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It's the smug condescension that marks the cheerleaders' invective, and you've done a great job of illustrating it here. I mean, I'm sure that you're not a cheerleader, but they do that exact kind of "supposed to be the party based in reality" mockery all the time.

Absolutely the last thing that any of us needs is a safe space for blowing off steam now and then.

One would think that these intellectual paragons could find it within themselves to ignore the threads that so offend their righteousness, but that would mean missing out on a chance to remind everyone of the cheerleaders' transcendent wisdom in all matters legal, political, social and economic.

Praise be to the cheerleaders and their endlessly effete scoldings!

[Ms. Toad]

105. There is a difference between blowing off steam

(relatively harmless, as long as the blowing off steam is not trans-hostile, etc.), and spreading misinformation about the law or advocating acting out of a misunderstanding of the law.

[union rep]

57. No Balls no Glory

supreme decision has given him free rein to implement stirring the shitty pot we find ourselves in. All the lawyers and constitutional professors can figure that out, We are the majority , we no longer have slave states? electoral college is bulshit and we who are willing to stand up for democracy are willing to put our selves on the line. Im with FUCK IT all the way. The people who talk a good over analyzed game better wake up and quit being pussies. Another 4 years of this bulshit? Grow a set contact all our reps and very nicely
[ because their pussies to} lets demand this guy is a double agent and get going, That freak Musk is a problem start there time is running out FUCK Tesla and /double Fuck it Lets do this.

[SCantiGOP]

63. Mark Twain was right

Cursing is usually a sign of a limited vocabulary.

[dpibel]

104. Let us all raise our pinkies

in salute to your perspicacious intellect!

But here's a fun challenge!

Where did Mark Twain say that?

Let's start here:

Let us swear while we may, for in Heaven it will not be allowed.
- Notebook, 1898

If I cannot swear in heaven I shall not stay there.
- Notebook, 1898

Profanity is more necessary to me than is immunity from colds.
- Letter to Orion Clemens, 14 May 1877

The spirit of wrath and not the words -- is the sin; and the spirit of wrath is cursing. We begin to swear before we can talk.
- Following the Equator

If you go to the link, you'll find tons of praise for cursing.

So I hope you can supply me with the one time when, for whatever reason, Mark Twain declared cursing to be a motherfucking thing.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

64. Patriarchy calls opponents *female genitalia* & assumes male genitals are source of courage

Do you support patriarchy over women?

If you do not, then isn't it long past due to stop using female body parts to attempt to shame people?

[tritsofme]

65. Oy. Good to know you! Good luck wherever you land next!

[Skvngr]

62. I support Joe doing almost anything

To curtail the upcoming fascism. Any fucking thing.

[Kingofalldems]

66. Trolls hate your post.

Good job.

[Aviation Pro]

67. I know

I invite them to read my sig line.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

78. What do you want Joe to do?

[tritsofme]

79. They want him to stage a coup.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

81. Doesn't seem prudent or realistic. He's not Maduro.

[tritsofme]

83. They're in the throes of fever dreams

At least that is a charitable explanation.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

86. Doesn't seem realistic that Joe would declare the election null and void and refuse to leave.

[tritsofme]

92. Well...these folks don't seem to be particularly fond of constructs like "reality"

[TheKentuckian]

113. Reality is so hoity toity and super soyboi betacuck!

[Seeking Serenity]

68. Lol. Lmao even

I remember all the giggles that were had when all the Trumpies were having their oh-so-cute RP :3 civil war fantasy orgies. Now I guess it's time for the heccin' bwave uwu Internet tough-guy Democwats to have their burn-it-all-down, dictatorship fetish porn.

[Aviation Pro]

69. You know what's laughable?

Your post.

Everyone keeps asking me what I would do short of fucking violence. So, I'm going to oblige this one fucking time with one thing I would do.

If I were Joe Biden, I would order Treasury and Education to wipe every federal student loan off the fucking books. Today. Right the fuck now. Wipe them out so fast, no fucking judge, no fucking state could do anything about it.

Here's a second thing, I would get on the idiot box and tell the American people that for the next 60 days, I'm going to bypass the worthless gits in Congress and get the things done that need to be done before Motherfucker takes the oath of office.

Then I would execute and exercise my authority to the limit because there is no limit.

That's what I would do.

[Zeitghost]

70. You clearly do not understand how our system works

The courts would toss every illegal action out on it's ass within hours and executive departments and agencies would refuse to carry them out.

We don't live in a fucking dictatorship, no matter how much you wish we did.

[Aviation Pro]

72. I clearly fucking do

It's fucking broken because Motherfucker and his cohort of thieves take advantage of every fucking loophole there is to get what they want. Think the Buckethead Gaetz nomination is sunk? What happens when the rapist dismisses Congress - it's in the Constitution - and appoints him to the position bypassing the "norm" of "advise and consent?"

Where are your oh so precious courts on that one?

Speed of action is what's needed at this point, not fucking norms.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

77. What do you think would happen if Joe declares the election null and void and refused to leave?

[Seeking Serenity]

94. Nuthin'

All them MAGAts would drop their heads and slump they shoulders and admit final defeat, realisin' that they truly do deserve to be ruled over by the one true Party that is entitled to govern them for eternity.

That...That's how this Manga saga ends, right?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

95. LOL

[TheKentuckian]

114. You can include violence for all I care. Fair game just be forthright about it and what it means.

You were demanding powers be used to stop the takeover so I'm confused why the first thing has nothing to do with that but student loan forgiveness but a new magical kind the courts cannot reverse.

Then some ignoring of Congress to get things done which largely would have no force of law or could be instantly reversed so talking loud but doing nothing.

This also does nothing to.address the original root issue.

All the anguish through the thread and the end game was actually a magic goodie and hollow chest beating of an impotent lame duck playing at dictator for a television audience?

POWERS!!!

[WarGamer]

80. thumbs down for not understanding the power of the Executive Branch...

AND FYI... anyone who spent 8 years denouncing an American "Dictator" and now promotes totalitarian crap...

is a hypocrite.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

97. Issuing pardons to all the generals involved in the Afghanistan War is not a terrible idea.

OTOH it's an admission of guilt that would end their military careers. I would think most generals would want to defend themselves. After all they didn't do anything wrong.

[FBaggins]

98. I'm just not sure what benefit it has

A pardon can't keep the next commander in chief from firing a general or removing their security clearances... and there was never any actual chance that they would be going to prison when they had to be following the president's directions.

And I can't think of a way to do it that doesn't hurt politically. As you hint

[Polybius]

101. Another day calling for the suspension of the Constitution, and another night without a Postmortem forum

Seriously EarlG, please make one like in 2016.

[oldmanlynn]

102. More people wanted Trump to do what he said he would do

Even though all of those people who voted for him aren’t in favor of him, trying to be a dictator and taking over the US government. Most of those people are not gonna be in favor of Social Security and Obama care, cuts, and things of that nature.

Misinformation tainted their votes