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Should Joe Biden pardon himself before the Jan. 20 Inauguation (Original Post) no_hypocrisy Nov 19 OP
Yes, he needs to pardon himself and a WHOLE LOTTA FlyingPiggy Nov 19 #1
Why not? PJMcK Nov 19 #2
Yes Meowmee Nov 19 #3
Vance was picked to pardon Rump when he strps down usonian Nov 19 #29
Yeah you're probably right Meowmee Nov 19 #32
We never know those secret health reports. usonian Nov 20 #35
It wouldn't do any good. Trump will do what he wants. Irish_Dem Nov 19 #4
Think Biden is safe; however, why not do the secret/pocket pardon just in case. Would do same for his son. Silent Type Nov 19 #5
No. He should fight tooth and nail if charges are brought. CanonRay Nov 19 #6
Agree. debm55 Nov 19 #8
The world knows what he is Meowmee Nov 19 #15
No, President Harris should do that. usonian Nov 19 #7
terrible optics... suggests that they all committed crimes. WarGamer Nov 19 #9
Yes a pardon comes with an acceptance of guilt. LakeArenal Nov 19 #13
This is a myth. tritsofme Nov 19 #14
Link? LakeArenal Nov 19 #16
A pardon is an act of grace, not an admission of guilt. tritsofme Nov 19 #17
Link? LakeArenal Nov 19 #18
I gave you the information I have at my disposal. tritsofme Nov 19 #19
Well, you are making the claim and as I read other comments many have the same view as I. LakeArenal Nov 19 #21
It's not a fringe claim, the arguments are interesting. tritsofme Nov 19 #23
I encourage you to post links. Thanks. LakeArenal Nov 20 #39
Don't you have to have been charged and convicted in order Grammy23 Nov 19 #10
Ford pardoned Nixon for crimes he might have committed. 3catwoman3 Nov 19 #33
I don't think trump will do that (not much in it for him), and if he does I'm not sure what the pardon would solve fishwax Nov 19 #11
Protecting Dr Fauci would be nice if it Submariner Nov 19 #12
no onenote Nov 19 #20
For what? soandso Nov 19 #22
That's my question! What crimes n misdemeanors has he committed? Deuxcents Nov 19 #30
Yep JustAnotherGen Nov 19 #24
Yup republianmushroom Nov 19 #25
Yes Rebl2 Nov 19 #26
Pardon himself for what? totodeinhere Nov 19 #27
There's nothing to pardon him for. Jeebo Nov 19 #28
For what? I suppose for leaving some classified documents in a locked office would be ok to pardon. Freethinker65 Nov 19 #31
Joe Biden should completely boobie trap the White House before he leaves. Jim__ Nov 20 #34
I'd rather not set that precedent, he can issue for everyone else TheKentuckian Nov 20 #36
I think king dump usedtobedemgurl Nov 20 #37
What did he do wrong that he needs to pardon himself for? Nothing! arthritisR_US Nov 20 #38
No reason for a pardon. Emile Nov 20 #40

FlyingPiggy

(3,738 posts)
1. Yes, he needs to pardon himself and a WHOLE LOTTA
Tue Nov 19, 2024, 08:12 PM
Nov 19

Any democrat who has spoken out needs to be pardoned along w Jack Smith, Fanni Willis and all other DAs

Meowmee

(6,560 posts)
3. Yes
Tue Nov 19, 2024, 08:13 PM
Nov 19

Can you pardon yourself as the president? I’m not sure. And I wonder can you pardon for any possible charges for anything?

usonian

(15,388 posts)
29. Vance was picked to pardon Rump when he strps down
Tue Nov 19, 2024, 11:03 PM
Nov 19

due to tainted hamberders or whatever. He just can't have heart disease for the obvious reason.

Meowmee

(6,560 posts)
32. Yeah you're probably right
Tue Nov 19, 2024, 11:18 PM
Nov 19

Somehow, I doubt he’s gonna be stepping down though not anytime soon.

usonian

(15,388 posts)
35. We never know those secret health reports.
Wed Nov 20, 2024, 12:22 AM
Nov 20

Or whatever scheme is afoot. He could retire with "bone spurs", drain half the treasury, and keep a mansion full of secrets to auction off like some Bond villain (scenes come to mind). And kinda rule the world as an independent power.

Irish_Dem

(62,154 posts)
4. It wouldn't do any good. Trump will do what he wants.
Tue Nov 19, 2024, 08:14 PM
Nov 19

Congress and the courts will back him no matter what.

Trump isn't interested in the Bidens any way.

Trump is focused solely on money and power.

Silent Type

(7,889 posts)
5. Think Biden is safe; however, why not do the secret/pocket pardon just in case. Would do same for his son.
Tue Nov 19, 2024, 08:16 PM
Nov 19

CanonRay

(15,008 posts)
6. No. He should fight tooth and nail if charges are brought.
Tue Nov 19, 2024, 08:18 PM
Nov 19

A show trial where a former President fights back would how the world what Trump really is. We need courage, my friends. Joe should pardon his son, however.

tritsofme

(18,841 posts)
17. A pardon is an act of grace, not an admission of guilt.
Tue Nov 19, 2024, 08:47 PM
Nov 19

Don't have time to grab articles, but the quote from the 1915 decision that says a pardon is an admission of guilt is dicta, it has never been binding.

tritsofme

(18,841 posts)
19. I gave you the information I have at my disposal.
Tue Nov 19, 2024, 08:53 PM
Nov 19

Feel free to do further research if you are so interested, doesn’t make a difference to me.

It’s a quote that made Gerald Ford feel better about his betrayal, that’s about it.

LakeArenal

(29,913 posts)
21. Well, you are making the claim and as I read other comments many have the same view as I.
Tue Nov 19, 2024, 09:00 PM
Nov 19

Effectively you are saying you don’t have a link.

So why should I research something you claim.

Anyway, it’s just a normal question here on DU. Not in anyway a demand.

tritsofme

(18,841 posts)
23. It's not a fringe claim, the arguments are interesting.
Tue Nov 19, 2024, 09:07 PM
Nov 19

I would encourage you to read about it if you are so interested, I just don’t have time to do digging right now. If anything, you’re now aware there is more to the argument.

Grammy23

(5,926 posts)
10. Don't you have to have been charged and convicted in order
Tue Nov 19, 2024, 08:24 PM
Nov 19

To be pardoned? And then admit your guilt to accept the pardon?

None of that has happened in Biden’s case. So if that is true, he can’t pardon himself if hasn’t been charged and convicted, correct? Or maybe I am misunderstanding something?? Fill me in.

3catwoman3

(25,982 posts)
33. Ford pardoned Nixon for crimes he might have committed.
Tue Nov 19, 2024, 11:24 PM
Nov 19

From Wikipedia:

Proclamation 4311 was a presidential proclamation issued by President of the United States Gerald Ford on September 8, 1974, granting a full and unconditional pardon to Richard Nixon, his predecessor, for any crimes that he might have committed against the United States as president.[

fishwax

(29,331 posts)
11. I don't think trump will do that (not much in it for him), and if he does I'm not sure what the pardon would solve
Tue Nov 19, 2024, 08:25 PM
Nov 19

On the other hand, if Joe pardons himself, well, it certainly doesn't make him look innocent of wrongdoing (which, of course, he is).

Submariner

(12,785 posts)
12. Protecting Dr Fauci would be nice if it
Tue Nov 19, 2024, 08:26 PM
Nov 19

can be done. That asshole Gym Jordan and smelly Margie want to harass him to hell. He needs protection.

JustAnotherGen

(34,135 posts)
24. Yep
Tue Nov 19, 2024, 10:00 PM
Nov 19

But I don't think and former Democratic Presidents should be in attendance.

Also - I hope the ghosts of LBJ and FDR trip the maggot then blow over the podium. I'm a Great Society Democrat - he's rolling over in his grave at this piece of shit Russian lover being in the WH.

totodeinhere

(13,456 posts)
27. Pardon himself for what?
Tue Nov 19, 2024, 10:51 PM
Nov 19

But I do think he should pardon Hunter. If Hunter were not his son he would never have been indicted.

Jeebo

(2,354 posts)
28. There's nothing to pardon him for.
Tue Nov 19, 2024, 10:53 PM
Nov 19

There's nothing they could charge him with. He should pardon his son, though.

— Ron

Freethinker65

(11,171 posts)
31. For what? I suppose for leaving some classified documents in a locked office would be ok to pardon.
Tue Nov 19, 2024, 11:11 PM
Nov 19

As far as I remember, all of the GOP House hearings found nothing impeachment worthy.

I think Biden should pardon Hunter for the gun charge and tax issue. Hunter already admitted guilt once and agreed to pay the back taxes and a fine. He was an addict and lied to get a gun he possessed for a few weeks during which he committed no crime with the weapon. Make the pardon very specific.

I would also issue a blanket pardon for government workers performing their official duties...kind of like the BS SCOTUS Trump immunity ruling. It would delay any cases and waste tons of money and resources in first determining if what is being alleged was in fact part of an official duty, or reasonably thought to be part of an official duty when directed perform it, or not.

Jim__

(14,561 posts)
34. Joe Biden should completely boobie trap the White House before he leaves.
Wed Nov 20, 2024, 12:03 AM
Nov 20

Then we can all mourn over the tragic accident that befalls the new resident.

 

TheKentuckian

(26,314 posts)
36. I'd rather not set that precedent, he can issue for everyone else
Wed Nov 20, 2024, 03:28 AM
Nov 20

and resign and Harris can then pardon him.

Keep it clean and by dragging it out make them make up all the 47 shit and stick them with 48 just to take a nice ride to good old Petticoat Junction.

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