The 'now they're going to find out' argument is flawed

[Nevilledog]

https://www.editorialboard.com/the-now-theyre-going-to-find-out-argument-is-flawed/


There’s an argument I want to discuss. It goes something like this: Donald Trump’s policies are going to alienate some of the people who voted for him. To be sure, many of them wanted something done about the economy. Prices were too damn high. But they didn’t sign up for tariffs, deportations and cuts to social services, like food stamps.

As a liberal pundit put it, Trump seems poised to follow through with that policy agenda, though going through with it is “political suicide.”

My question is why.

Why are we expecting so much from Trump voters? I’m not making a distinction between his base and those who chose to go along for the ride. I mean all of his supporters, and I’m asking: Why should we place our democratic faith, and the future of the republic, in their hands?

It’s not like Trump had an agenda to bring down the cost of living. All he said was “Make America Great Again.” Deport “illegals.” Suppress transgender rights. Beat down weak and marginalized folks. Voilà!

His one economic plan was tariffs. A tax on imported goods from China and elsewhere will raise prices on everything, not just imports, as retailers will price-gouge under cover of inflation. Tariffs are the opposite of what you do to reduce costs. And that’s why he lied. Trump said nations would pay the tax, not companies bringing goods in.

His voters chose to believe him.

*snip*

[Diamond_Dog]

1. ....

[Mr.Bee]

18. Mexico Will Pay For It!

[dlk]

2. Trump voters won't learn

They will only drag the rest of us down with them.

[al_liberal]

3. The entire country will become Alabama.

Where nobody cares if they don’t have anything so long as minorities aren’t getting anything either. When integration came to AL they filled in all of the public swimming pools rather than share them with “those” people.

[AverageOldGuy]

37. Google and read about . . .

. . . the "segregation academies" that are alive and doing quite well in most of the Southern states.

In my native county of Wilkinson County, MS, there are two "segregation academies" -- Centreville Christian Academy and Wilkinson County Christian Academy -- while the local and county school systems are 100% Black. At the "Christian academies" there are usually 1, 2, 3, 4 black faces -- all of whom are the star quarterback or running back or track star.

Back in late 1990's, when public schools in the South were grudgingly integrating, the "segregation academies" were mostly up to 8th grade after which White kids had to go to school with "those people." Wife's cousin and his family visited us with a teenaged daughter who was going to -- in September -- move out of her lily White school into an integrated public high school. This was the sole topic of conversation from them!!! The girl waked up every morning vomiting because she was so terrified of starting school in the fall with "those people." Damn but a few years later she moved to Atlanta and married one of those people!!!!!!!!!!!! When her cousin called my wife in tears because his daughter was marrying one of those people, my wife laughed her ass off. To this day, wife's cousin does not allow his daughter, her Black husband, or their kids to visit; sends them no Christmas gifts; does not recognize any of their birthdays. He calls my wife about once a month -- she always inquires about the daughter and her Black husband and family, pisses off her cousin, he hangs up. Fuck him.

[Solly Mack]

4. K&R

[Tribetime]

5. When they cut out food stamps and social security and medicaid

They will get pissed also

[Mr.Bee]

16. Without realizing

those big banks get a cut off all those EBT sales.

[progressoid]

29. They won't cut SS

But look for plans for privatization of the management of SS.

They did that with Medicaid in IA and other states. Look for more of that bullshit.

[markodochartaigh]

30. I'm not sure that they won't cut

Social Security. Reagan did, to public employees with a pension who had also worked in jobs covered by Social Security. And during Trump's last term he suspended the payroll tax which funds Social Security for several months.

[yardwork]

6. I'm afraid this is probably right.

They will continue to blame Democrats for everything.

[BlueWaveNeverEnd]

10. yep. I heard that happens in Texas. GOP runs everything but still blame democrats when stuff goes badly

[newdeal2]

36. There is always a scapegoat

Minorities, LGBTQ, other religions.

See Russia and Putin, or other strongmen.

[sakabatou]

7. It's not that now they're going to find out

It's just that even with all the warning signs, the leopard will eat their faces.

[lame54]

8. Every dumb Trump move will come with a healthy dose of...

It's all the dems fault

And his followers will swallow it whole

[Dan]

9. Plus the MSM is not going to report anything negative

About Trump, imagine all of them FOX-lite. Then the social media controlled by MUSK, there truth will be revealed what MUSK wants them to know.

So, when all your sources of information are suspect - what is truth, what is a lie? Critical Thinking will be challenged by the lack of objective information.

We are entering the dark ages.

[live love laugh]

24. THIS

[Cosmocat]

11. They will blame the "liberals" for everything

That they do or what comes from it, and everyone who voted for him will be perfectly fine with it.

[ancianita]

14. Even with their trifecta. Even though liberals lost. They're constitutionally incapable of taking responsibility when

they slip-shod their way through governing. Because they're pwn3d tools .

[ananda]

12. I guess that means they'll be suffering happily...

knowing that their savior must mean well and just
wants them to be martyrs for the cause.

[elleng]

13. His voters paid no attention to the NEWS,

were IGNORANT, and will REMAIN ignorant.

[iluvtennis]

15. To me, it's simple, the MAGA crowd voted on RACE over their own interests. They loved trumps talk of

stomping all over black/brown people, LGBTQ folks, Muslims, Jews, etc, etc. That's why they voted for DonOLD as he promised them that white supremacy would reign in America

[totodeinhere]

21. If that is true, why did he get the votes of a majority of Hispanic men?

And why did he increase his support among black men?

[Bluethroughu]

25. Hispanic men, some not all, are machismo.

My husband is not, but his dad and brothers are, and voted for trump.

We do not talk to them, it is futile.

[iluvtennis]

40. And so are some black men. I have three brothers who are misogynistic and voted for TSF. Also, there are

many minorities who think that MAGA white supremacy won't apply to them. I know that sounds crazy, but based on my life experiences I've observed it to be true.

[Bluethroughu]

41. My husband was knocking the doors in Milwaukee

For Harris, and 2 black guys told them they were voting for trump, and get the Hell out of there, in an aggressive way. They just told them, well were glad you're voting, and it's to bad it's not for our candidate and priorities of the working class.

It really stinks people can be sold snake oil, with macho BS in 2024.

[iluvtennis]

42. Indeed. It's so sad. n/t

[Mr.Bee]

17. Personally

I plan to buy as little as possible over the next four years. No splurging, no Amazon, no Ebay. Necessities only.

[Ollie Garkie]

19. I want to do the same

But I need a new laptop and couch. Urgently. Shit!

[Mr.Bee]

22. Buy it before January 20th.

Just checked Google- Laptops at $99, and some under. In 2016 I bought two of those Nextbooks for $99 each, come in real handy during power outages.

[Bluethroughu]

26. Go get it now!

[totodeinhere]

20. Trump will be a lame duck the moment he takes office.

So I don't think he cares. All he cares about is blowing up the government and staying out of jail. It looks like due to the rank stupidity of so many American voters he will accomplish both.

[paulkienitz]

23. Trump voters don't vote for policies. Trying to sell them on policies will fail.

[NoMoreRepugs]

27. It's been said that the average American isn't that smart and half the

country is below that. To expect self awareness from loons is a folly.

[W_HAMILTON]

28. It's not about expecting Trump voters to change.

It's about the Biden coalition of voters realizing once again what some of them all too easily forgot about the last Trump administration.

[kerouac2]

31. Just watched this and all I kept thinking about was maga

The unexplained
Deadly cults

https://www.history.com/shows/the-unxplained/season-1/episode-12

Trumpers are in a cult. Reality doesn't matter.

[oldmanlynn]

32. Because what his voters hear on Fox News and Newsmax, etc.

Is not reality but misinformation. Fox News keeps their audience in the dark and continues to push rage. Republicans and Russians use similar tactics.

[Kalifornia9]

33. Butt... Fox Nooze says everything is fine

And any problems come from them Democrats...

[AverageOldGuy]

34. "Why are we expecting so much from Trump voters?"

Because we Democrats tend to view the world through rose-colored glasses -- we think "it can't be that bad," "MAGAts will see the light and vote for Democrats in 2026," "he can't damage the foundations of America," "we will clean house in 2026." -- and similar self-deceptive horseshit.

Which is why I have turned off CNN and MSNBC -- they have now joined the long line of those just waiting to kiss Trump's ass and get his blessing.

I ordered, they arrived today, and I'm putting them on all my vehicles -- decals that read "FDT" -- "Fuck Donald Trump." Decal of Calvin pissing on Trump for my truck's rear window (just below my decals that read "Vietnam Vet," "Ranger," "Airborne," "US Army Retired." bumper stickers that read "Not My President" and "Don't Blame Me, I Voted for Harris."

I've already been confronted by some MAGAts at the grocery and hardware stores in my little red rural VA county. After they raved and gloated for a few minutes, I told them to fuck off. Meanwhile, I'm carrying concealed -- Sig Sauer P365.

[H2O Man]

35. Recommended.

The sociopathic felon will blame "enemies," and his cult will lap that shit up.

[TheKentuckian]

38. Just because a fool finds out doesn't mean they learn anything.

[Blue Full Moon]

39. Wait till he eliminates the National Labor Relations Board