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Silent Type

(7,879 posts)
1. Guess we could call state election officials and ask them to find the votes we need.
Tue Nov 19, 2024, 11:17 PM
Nov 19

Any states we’d need have Democratic governors and Secretaries of State?

Sympthsical

(10,411 posts)
4. I for one
Wed Nov 20, 2024, 12:09 AM
Nov 20

Am enjoying the recent swarm of fresh faces arriving solely to spread all this vitally important information for us.

Loupe Garoue

(77 posts)
12. Does this mean I am not welcome here?
Sun Nov 24, 2024, 07:44 PM
Nov 24

I can assure you, my motives are good. I have started posting here a lot more, as you have pointed out. I have also increased my letter writing to my senators and representatives.

Stephen Spoonamore has been raising alarms about suspicious election outcomes since 2002, when Saxby Chambliss beat disabled veteran Max Cleland for a Georgia senate seat. That election was later proven to have been stolen. In 2004, Kerry was winning and then the totals flipped; it was very improbable and he brought it to Kerry’s attention but he declined to pursue any recounts.

The Republicans won 4 dubious elections since 2000. T**** cheats at everything, he told his supporters he didn’t need their votes, and spent time fellating a microphone. Does that sound like a person who thought it was possible for him to lose?

I would say No. I am not a statistician but I think those cybersecurity experts who are concerned about the outcome of this election should be taken seriously. Spoonamore states that a hand count would be definitive. I think our democracy deserves at least this much effort.

Please make fun of newcomers ( long time lurker here) if you like, just don’t pretend you know everything there is to know about this.



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enid602

(9,134 posts)
3. Incredible read
Wed Nov 20, 2024, 12:08 AM
Nov 20

I’m not a computer expert by any means, but this is absolutely chilling. If this is fake, it is nonetheless compelling and scary.

enid602

(9,134 posts)
6. Plausible
Wed Nov 20, 2024, 12:14 AM
Nov 20

I, for one don’t remember the Republicans offering a scintilla of proof or explanation to back their contesting and filing lawsuits regarding the results of the 2020 election. This, on the other hand at least provides detail and seems plausible

onenote

(44,914 posts)
7. His numbers are plucked from thin air.
Wed Nov 20, 2024, 01:21 AM
Nov 20

There is no publicly available data from which one could compute the number of "bullet ballots" at this point. Moreover, the difference between the number of ballots cast in the presidential race in the states he cites, when compared to the number of ballots cast in other statewide races in those same states, does not support his claims. For example, he claims that Trump received 350,000 "bullet ballots" in North Carolina which would be an unusual number. But not only does he not indicate where he pulls that number from, the official results on the North Carolina establish that the total number of ballots cast in the presidential race did not exceed the total number of ballots cast in the governor's race by anywhere near 350,000. Since a bullet ballot is a ballot in which a vote is cast in only one race and the other races on the ballot are ignored, his claims don't hold up to scrutiny as a matter of simple math.

littlemissmartypants

(26,351 posts)
9. North Carolina has the data publicly available. ...
Wed Nov 20, 2024, 01:44 AM
Nov 20

Many here have done the calculations and debunked the nonsense.

IIRC, I posted the North Carolina results dashboard here before. It's very easy to operate because it's a simple drop down menu.

LITERALLY ANYONE can do the calculations and debunk these ridiculous claims about an outrageous number of bullet ballots in North Carolina.

Why do people keep pushing this narrative?

It's embarrassing.

AdamGG

(1,552 posts)
10. And a hand recount of a small number of precincts would prove whether it has any merit or not
Wed Nov 20, 2024, 01:48 AM
Nov 20

What the article says sounds plausible, though even in Massachusetts Trump did better than he did in 2020. The maps on the NY Times that use red or blue arrows to show the change in the vote from 2020 to 2024 seem pretty consistent. Across the country, it is mostly red arrows.

Given that Trump tried to overthrow the government rather than leave office the last time, that's fucking insane, but it seems to have actually happened.

littlemissmartypants

(26,351 posts)
8. People are just regurgitating the nonsense. ...
Wed Nov 20, 2024, 01:37 AM
Nov 20

It's getting tiresome. I'm tired of responding to the ridiculousness.

It's...

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