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hunter

(39,367 posts)
Wed Nov 20, 2024, 08:26 AM Nov 2024

Los Angeles declares itself an immigration 'sanctuary'

Los Angeles, the second largest US city, is setting itself up for a standoff with President-elect Donald Trump over immigration.

On Tuesday, its city council passed a "sanctuary city" ordinance to bar using local resources to help federal immigration authorities.

LA's public school system also reaffirmed itself as a "sanctuary" for undocumented immigrants and LGBTQ students in a series of emergency resolutions.

Trump, who will be sworn in in two months, has promised mass deportations once he returns to the White House. His chosen "border czar", Tim Homan, has urged sanctuary cities to "get the hell out of the way" of federal immigration crackdowns.

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https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c4gx7rd4nj7o


This will be happening in a lot of places, which will be good in places that actually protect immigrants, but bad in places where threats of deportation and the actual targeted deportation of immigrant activists will be used to further abuse immigrant workers.

I'm hoping California and other Democratic states are going to be sand in the engines of Trump's despicable machine.
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Los Angeles declares itself an immigration 'sanctuary' (Original Post) hunter Nov 2024 OP
I really hope there is no backlash to this. Omnipresent Nov 2024 #1
Texas will send all their migrants to Los Angeles. jimfields33 Nov 2024 #5
Of course they are sending migrants there. Omnipresent Nov 2024 #8
It won't. California is fifth riches economy in the world jimfields33 Nov 2024 #9
I hope your right. Omnipresent Nov 2024 #11
And, it can continue to send federal money to red states. JustABozoOnThisBus Nov 2024 #19
then texas will have to figure out how to pick crops. finish constrution. etc , no? AllaN01Bear Nov 2024 #10
Probably. But that should not be the reason to be jimfields33 Nov 2024 #13
Actually, the job market in Texas is quite good. Elessar Zappa Nov 2024 #15
California isn't going to turn red but we will pass tough on crime laws JI7 Nov 2024 #16
With what happened in the last election, i'm not so sure. Omnipresent Nov 2024 #17
Good luck with that DeepWinter Nov 2024 #2
Huh? It doesn't cost anything to give trump's goons and sycophants the cold shoulder. hunter Nov 2024 #12
Migrants should all think about moving to states like California and Illinois that are welcoming and protecting them MichMan Nov 2024 #3
Abbot is chartering the buses already LA Ponietz Nov 2024 #4
It seems a safer bet for migrants than staying in Texas. jimfields33 Nov 2024 #7
That might not be the best idea flamingdem Nov 2024 #6
I don't live in Los Angeles, but our city has a large and obvious homeless population too. hunter Nov 2024 #18
This is the type of useless shit our side does JI7 Nov 2024 #14
The fuck it's not. hunter Nov 2024 #21
Dems need to develop winning messages flamingdem Nov 2024 #22
Bravo for my old home town. The Statue of Liberty moved to downtown L.A. Ping Tung Nov 2024 #20
LA, Boston, NYC & Chicago. Plenty of room and willing local populaces to take care of them. Bonx Nov 2024 #23

Omnipresent

(6,737 posts)
1. I really hope there is no backlash to this.
Wed Nov 20, 2024, 08:33 AM
Nov 2024

We really don’t need California to turn Red, from voter outrage in 2026 or 2028.

 

jimfields33

(19,382 posts)
5. Texas will send all their migrants to Los Angeles.
Wed Nov 20, 2024, 09:19 AM
Nov 2024

They’ve been doing that around the country in cities that have said they will accept migrants as they are a sactuary city. I think they should work with the migrants and bring success to the city and migrants. I don’t think you should be a sactuary city and then complain that you have received the very idea you support. Seems mean. Should not be a half ass measure.

Omnipresent

(6,737 posts)
8. Of course they are sending migrants there.
Wed Nov 20, 2024, 09:29 AM
Nov 2024

California won’t be getting any aid from the trump administration.
California going it alone, will sapp funds from other programs.
In turn you can expect voter backlash at the ballot box to some degree.
Nobody wants to see California in the Republican column.

 

jimfields33

(19,382 posts)
9. It won't. California is fifth riches economy in the world
Wed Nov 20, 2024, 09:33 AM
Nov 2024

It definitely can handle additional migrants who are in need.

Omnipresent

(6,737 posts)
11. I hope your right.
Wed Nov 20, 2024, 09:36 AM
Nov 2024

The folks on the right are skilled at sewing resentment against anyone they don’t like.

JustABozoOnThisBus

(24,001 posts)
19. And, it can continue to send federal money to red states.
Wed Nov 20, 2024, 10:02 AM
Nov 2024

Texas government appreciates the help with the bus fares.

 

jimfields33

(19,382 posts)
13. Probably. But that should not be the reason to be
Wed Nov 20, 2024, 09:39 AM
Nov 2024

against this. California is doing the right thing accepting migrants who otherwise would get killed in their country and not really have a future in Texas at all.

Elessar Zappa

(16,307 posts)
15. Actually, the job market in Texas is quite good.
Wed Nov 20, 2024, 09:47 AM
Nov 2024

That’s no an excuse for them to bus all their migrants to California.

JI7

(91,486 posts)
16. California isn't going to turn red but we will pass tough on crime laws
Wed Nov 20, 2024, 09:47 AM
Nov 2024

and vote in more tough on crime officials.

Omnipresent

(6,737 posts)
17. With what happened in the last election, i'm not so sure.
Wed Nov 20, 2024, 09:53 AM
Nov 2024

We seem to be living in very turbulent times.

 

DeepWinter

(931 posts)
2. Good luck with that
Wed Nov 20, 2024, 08:34 AM
Nov 2024

"According to the city administrative officer, Los Angeles has a projected budget deficit of $476 million dollars, which is made up of $289 million in overspending and $187 million in less than expected revenues."

https://abc7.com/los-angeles-budget-deficit-city-controller-kenneth-mejia-audit/14623710/#:~:text=According%20to%20the%20city%20administrative,in%20less%20than%20expected%20revenues.

They don't have the money for that. They need Fed money and with Trump coming in you KNOW it won't be there. And that's on top of LAs homeless issues which are under funded as well. Would love to know where they think sanctuary funding is coming from. Hollywood elites in Beverly Hills and gated communities aren't coughing it up.

hunter

(39,367 posts)
12. Huh? It doesn't cost anything to give trump's goons and sycophants the cold shoulder.
Wed Nov 20, 2024, 09:38 AM
Nov 2024

Assisting them will actually cost money that our police and social service departments don't have.

Trump doesn't even want to pay for existing social programs so he's got nothing to bargain with. He'll probably do something idiotic like sending useless military equipment and Tesla vehicles to local law enforcement which won't make their jobs any easier. But I guess they'll look cool in their Cybertrucks at community fairs until the vehicles start rotting away from neglect in the back parking lots and impound yards.

In the last round of Trump follies our county imagined they might depend on the Federal government to reduce overcrowding in our jails by taking actual criminal immigrants off their hands. Turns out trump is all bluster and chaos.

Unfortunately bluster and chaos are dangerous too.

MichMan

(14,373 posts)
3. Migrants should all think about moving to states like California and Illinois that are welcoming and protecting them
Wed Nov 20, 2024, 09:10 AM
Nov 2024

The risk of not doing so isn't worth it.

 

jimfields33

(19,382 posts)
7. It seems a safer bet for migrants than staying in Texas.
Wed Nov 20, 2024, 09:23 AM
Nov 2024

If I were a migrant, I’d hop that bus. Texas you’d end up in a camp. Los Angeles, you’d have a place to stay, food and a little spending money. Sounds like an obvious choice.

There really shouldn’t be any negative to this.

flamingdem

(40,085 posts)
6. That might not be the best idea
Wed Nov 20, 2024, 09:19 AM
Nov 2024

LA has a tremendous homeless problem.

Where is the housing for the immigrants fleeing other states?

hunter

(39,367 posts)
18. I don't live in Los Angeles, but our city has a large and obvious homeless population too.
Wed Nov 20, 2024, 09:59 AM
Nov 2024

Most of the homeless people I encounter daily are unemployable for mental health issues or substance abuse, not because they are immigrants who can't find work. Living on the streets makes mental health and substance abuse problems much worse.

Immigrants, documented or not, tend to find work and housing. Unfortunately a lot of that housing is overcrowded, uncomfortable, and too often unsafe -- illegal garage conversions, decrepit motor homes and campers parked in back yards, entire families living in a single bedroom, etc..

JI7

(91,486 posts)
14. This is the type of useless shit our side does
Wed Nov 20, 2024, 09:45 AM
Nov 2024

It always seems to be about wanting to make a huge public show about how pure you are.

hunter

(39,367 posts)
21. The fuck it's not.
Wed Nov 20, 2024, 10:22 AM
Nov 2024

It's a practical response to a very real problem.

Yeah, there are affluent and wealthy people who live isolated from the problem, who've never had a homeless person shit on their front doorstep, who are making a public show of "purity."

Nevertheless our federal government needs to put up or shut up. Democratic administrations do everything they can to put up.

Republican administrations just make a lot of noise. The only value of homeless people to them is to instill fear in know-nothing voters and those who suffer abusive working conditions. They don't want to do a damned thing about the actual horrors of homelessness.

Wasting time, money, and resources on Republican dog and pony shows isn't going to solve any problems. It's going to make them worse.

Every positive thing the Democratic Party accomplishes will be framed by the disgusting Republicans as something worse. We don't have to amplify their voices.

flamingdem

(40,085 posts)
22. Dems need to develop winning messages
Wed Nov 20, 2024, 12:18 PM
Nov 2024

to counter the mediasphere depiction of blue cities, especially in California, as lenient and full of crime and dirty people.

Clearly we're going to lose on "illegal immigration" in general. The right associates that with chaos and crime.

Bonx

(2,287 posts)
23. LA, Boston, NYC & Chicago. Plenty of room and willing local populaces to take care of them.
Wed Nov 20, 2024, 12:38 PM
Nov 2024
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