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Iowa (Original Post) cilla4progress 20 hrs ago OP
This message was self-deleted by its author bearsfootball516 20 hrs ago #1
Here's an interesting article on the topic. beaglelover 20 hrs ago #2
Did people lie to pollsters? Renew Deal 19 hrs ago #5
Guardian - 'Queen of polling' J Ann Selzer quits after Iowa survey missed by 16 points TheProle 20 hrs ago #3
Hmmm.... cilla4progress 19 hrs ago #4
16 points? Cirsium 16 hrs ago #6
Yeah. cilla4progress 16 hrs ago #7
Could it be that someone screwed with the vote counts in those bright red counties where the officials are MAGAts? lees1975 16 hrs ago #8

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beaglelover

(4,051 posts)
2. Here's an interesting article on the topic.
Wed Nov 20, 2024, 12:21 PM
20 hrs ago
https://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/opinion/columnists/from-the-editor/2024/11/17/editors-update-what-a-review-of-the-pre-election-iowa-poll-has-found/76300644007/

What the review found
Here’s a brief summary of the theories tested and the findings.

Were the demographics skewed? Selzer notes that this poll and other recent Iowa Polls have shown a higher response in the 1st Congressional District, in southeast Iowa, which leans more Democratic than the others. But the poll weights by congressional district, which would address that. Another common question she’s fielded: Did the poll include too many city dwellers, who tend to vote Democratic, and too few rural dwellers, who tend to vote Republican? In fact, the poll’s sample included 31% of likely voters who were city dwellers, a smaller percentage than in five comparable polls that identified likely 2024 voters, stretching back to 2021.

Did the poll fail to detect the shift found nationally among men of color toward Trump? The Iowa Poll’s sample of Latino men (20) did go to Trump by a 4-1 margin. But the numbers are so small that they had little effect on the overall poll results.
By ending interviews on Thursday, did the poll fail to capture late-deciders? Because exit polling was not conducted in Iowa, this is unknowable. Before publication, Selzer had flagged that Thursday was Trump’s best night. Per her usual practice, she calculated two-day rolling averages, but those looked flat.

Was the poll’s weighting flawed? The Iowa Poll’s respondent base is built to give all Iowa adults an equal probability of being contacted by an interviewer. Then Census data is used to adjust demographic variances to ensure an appropriate cross-section of all Iowa adults. As Selzer explains in more detail, the weighting in this poll was minimal and yielded a final sample of likely voters that matched the percentage of the most recent poll.

More at link.

TheProle

(2,960 posts)
3. Guardian - 'Queen of polling' J Ann Selzer quits after Iowa survey missed by 16 points
Wed Nov 20, 2024, 12:23 PM
20 hrs ago
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/nov/17/iowa-pollster-j-ann-selzer-quits

J Ann Selzer, the celebrated Iowa election pollster, announced on Sunday that she is moving on “to other ventures and opportunities”, two weeks after her survey in the state wrongly predicted a strong shift to Kamala Harris in the days before the election.

That poll, which projected a 47% to 44% lead for the vice-president over Donald Trump on the back of older women breaking for Democrats over the issue of reproductive rights, came three days before the national vote, giving Democrats false hope that Harris could win the White House decisively. When the votes were counted, Selzer was off by 16 points as the former president won the state decisively.

Selzer, known as the “queen of polling”, shot to fame in 2008 when she predicted that a virtually unknown senator, Barack Obama, would beat frontrunner Hillary Clinton in the Iowa caucuses.

She told MSNBC before the vote that Harris was leading in early voting in Iowa “because of her strength with women generally, even stronger with women aged 65 and older. Her margin is more than 2-to-1 – and this is an age group that shows up to vote, or votes early, in disproportionately large numbers.”

Cirsium

(796 posts)
6. 16 points?
Wed Nov 20, 2024, 04:05 PM
16 hrs ago

Selzer was off by 16 points, and there are no obvious flaws in the methodology?

Despite record turnout in 2020, the Republican-controlled Iowa Legislature decided to restrict nearly every method of voting. Senate File 413 was pushed through the Legislature in February and signed by the governor on March 8, 2021 — the first major voter suppression bill of 2021. A follow up law, Senate File 568, was enacted a few months later in June.

Together, the laws shorten the time period for early voting and for mail-in ballot requests and returns, limit drop box locations, cut hours for in-person voting on Election Day, severely limit third-party ballot collection and block any ballots received after Election Day — even if they were mailed in time — from being counted. Additionally, Iowa voters will also have their registration status changed to “inactive” after missing just one election.

https://www.democracydocket.com/analysis/checking-in-with-the-major-voter-suppression-laws/

lees1975

(5,943 posts)
8. Could it be that someone screwed with the vote counts in those bright red counties where the officials are MAGAts?
Wed Nov 20, 2024, 04:24 PM
16 hrs ago

No. Of course not.

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