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Iowa (Original Post)
cilla4progress
20 hrs ago
OP
Guardian - 'Queen of polling' J Ann Selzer quits after Iowa survey missed by 16 points
TheProle
20 hrs ago
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beaglelover
(4,051 posts)2. Here's an interesting article on the topic.
https://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/opinion/columnists/from-the-editor/2024/11/17/editors-update-what-a-review-of-the-pre-election-iowa-poll-has-found/76300644007/
What the review found
Heres a brief summary of the theories tested and the findings.
Were the demographics skewed? Selzer notes that this poll and other recent Iowa Polls have shown a higher response in the 1st Congressional District, in southeast Iowa, which leans more Democratic than the others. But the poll weights by congressional district, which would address that. Another common question shes fielded: Did the poll include too many city dwellers, who tend to vote Democratic, and too few rural dwellers, who tend to vote Republican? In fact, the polls sample included 31% of likely voters who were city dwellers, a smaller percentage than in five comparable polls that identified likely 2024 voters, stretching back to 2021.
Did the poll fail to detect the shift found nationally among men of color toward Trump? The Iowa Polls sample of Latino men (20) did go to Trump by a 4-1 margin. But the numbers are so small that they had little effect on the overall poll results.
By ending interviews on Thursday, did the poll fail to capture late-deciders? Because exit polling was not conducted in Iowa, this is unknowable. Before publication, Selzer had flagged that Thursday was Trumps best night. Per her usual practice, she calculated two-day rolling averages, but those looked flat.
Was the polls weighting flawed? The Iowa Polls respondent base is built to give all Iowa adults an equal probability of being contacted by an interviewer. Then Census data is used to adjust demographic variances to ensure an appropriate cross-section of all Iowa adults. As Selzer explains in more detail, the weighting in this poll was minimal and yielded a final sample of likely voters that matched the percentage of the most recent poll.
More at link.
What the review found
Heres a brief summary of the theories tested and the findings.
Were the demographics skewed? Selzer notes that this poll and other recent Iowa Polls have shown a higher response in the 1st Congressional District, in southeast Iowa, which leans more Democratic than the others. But the poll weights by congressional district, which would address that. Another common question shes fielded: Did the poll include too many city dwellers, who tend to vote Democratic, and too few rural dwellers, who tend to vote Republican? In fact, the polls sample included 31% of likely voters who were city dwellers, a smaller percentage than in five comparable polls that identified likely 2024 voters, stretching back to 2021.
Did the poll fail to detect the shift found nationally among men of color toward Trump? The Iowa Polls sample of Latino men (20) did go to Trump by a 4-1 margin. But the numbers are so small that they had little effect on the overall poll results.
By ending interviews on Thursday, did the poll fail to capture late-deciders? Because exit polling was not conducted in Iowa, this is unknowable. Before publication, Selzer had flagged that Thursday was Trumps best night. Per her usual practice, she calculated two-day rolling averages, but those looked flat.
Was the polls weighting flawed? The Iowa Polls respondent base is built to give all Iowa adults an equal probability of being contacted by an interviewer. Then Census data is used to adjust demographic variances to ensure an appropriate cross-section of all Iowa adults. As Selzer explains in more detail, the weighting in this poll was minimal and yielded a final sample of likely voters that matched the percentage of the most recent poll.
More at link.
Renew Deal
(82,928 posts)5. Did people lie to pollsters?
Or is the Trump vote more subtle and difficult to detect?
TheProle
(2,960 posts)3. Guardian - 'Queen of polling' J Ann Selzer quits after Iowa survey missed by 16 points
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/nov/17/iowa-pollster-j-ann-selzer-quits
J Ann Selzer, the celebrated Iowa election pollster, announced on Sunday that she is moving on to other ventures and opportunities, two weeks after her survey in the state wrongly predicted a strong shift to Kamala Harris in the days before the election.
That poll, which projected a 47% to 44% lead for the vice-president over Donald Trump on the back of older women breaking for Democrats over the issue of reproductive rights, came three days before the national vote, giving Democrats false hope that Harris could win the White House decisively. When the votes were counted, Selzer was off by 16 points as the former president won the state decisively.
Selzer, known as the queen of polling, shot to fame in 2008 when she predicted that a virtually unknown senator, Barack Obama, would beat frontrunner Hillary Clinton in the Iowa caucuses.
She told MSNBC before the vote that Harris was leading in early voting in Iowa because of her strength with women generally, even stronger with women aged 65 and older. Her margin is more than 2-to-1 and this is an age group that shows up to vote, or votes early, in disproportionately large numbers.
That poll, which projected a 47% to 44% lead for the vice-president over Donald Trump on the back of older women breaking for Democrats over the issue of reproductive rights, came three days before the national vote, giving Democrats false hope that Harris could win the White House decisively. When the votes were counted, Selzer was off by 16 points as the former president won the state decisively.
Selzer, known as the queen of polling, shot to fame in 2008 when she predicted that a virtually unknown senator, Barack Obama, would beat frontrunner Hillary Clinton in the Iowa caucuses.
She told MSNBC before the vote that Harris was leading in early voting in Iowa because of her strength with women generally, even stronger with women aged 65 and older. Her margin is more than 2-to-1 and this is an age group that shows up to vote, or votes early, in disproportionately large numbers.
cilla4progress
(25,901 posts)4. Hmmm....
And tsf went after her days after the election...
Cirsium
(796 posts)6. 16 points?
Selzer was off by 16 points, and there are no obvious flaws in the methodology?
Despite record turnout in 2020, the Republican-controlled Iowa Legislature decided to restrict nearly every method of voting. Senate File 413 was pushed through the Legislature in February and signed by the governor on March 8, 2021 the first major voter suppression bill of 2021. A follow up law, Senate File 568, was enacted a few months later in June.
Together, the laws shorten the time period for early voting and for mail-in ballot requests and returns, limit drop box locations, cut hours for in-person voting on Election Day, severely limit third-party ballot collection and block any ballots received after Election Day even if they were mailed in time from being counted. Additionally, Iowa voters will also have their registration status changed to inactive after missing just one election.
https://www.democracydocket.com/analysis/checking-in-with-the-major-voter-suppression-laws/
Together, the laws shorten the time period for early voting and for mail-in ballot requests and returns, limit drop box locations, cut hours for in-person voting on Election Day, severely limit third-party ballot collection and block any ballots received after Election Day even if they were mailed in time from being counted. Additionally, Iowa voters will also have their registration status changed to inactive after missing just one election.
https://www.democracydocket.com/analysis/checking-in-with-the-major-voter-suppression-laws/
cilla4progress
(25,901 posts)7. Yeah.
WTF
lees1975
(5,943 posts)8. Could it be that someone screwed with the vote counts in those bright red counties where the officials are MAGAts?
No. Of course not.