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highplainsdem

(52,322 posts)
Wed Nov 20, 2024, 08:25 PM 8 hrs ago

Body Language Expert Says Trump Is Acting "Submissive" Around Musk (Futurism)

https://futurism.com/the-byte/trump-body-language

A body language expert assessed Elon Musk and Donald Trump's behavior around each other and concluded that the future president is acting uncharacteristically deferential around his star-crossed friend.

Former police officer Darren Stanton analyzed a video of the pair at Musk's latest flatlined SpaceX rocket launch for The Telegraph, establishing that "only other figure with whom the president-elect is so submissive is Vladimir Putin."

"Trump was very uneasy," Stanton said. "Usually, he comes over as this alpha male, the most empowered, most powerful person in the room." But on that blustery November day in Texas, Trump was "out of his depth — his hands were just by his side like a mannequin."

-snip-

"He was playing with his pockets, but he didn't put his hands in his pockets," Stanton told The Telegraph about the video of Musk and Trump. "It’s the anxiety of not knowing what to do with [his] hands."



More, from that Telegraph article:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/us/news/2024/11/20/musk-trump-body-language-awkward-spacex/

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As Mr Musk gestured across to Starship, which at some 400-foot tall is the largest rocket ever built, the Republican buttoned up his jacket before checking each of his pockets, which Mr Stanton said suggested he was “a little intimidated”.

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Mr Trump did not perform any of the gestures he typically uses to assert himself, such as his “accordion hand” or placing his fingers together to form a “steeple”. The only other figure with whom the president-elect is so submissive is Vladimir Putin, Mr Stanton believes.

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When Mr Musk spoke, it was with his palms open and arms outstretched in a display of openness and confidence.

By contrast, Mr Trump, who looked out of his element despite his trademark “Make America Great Again” cap, kept his hands down and nodded stiffly.

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I'm guessing part of this is that Trump knew he couldn't sound very impressive talking about rockets.

Musk does seem to be dominating him. I've seen a lot of videos of the two of them together elsewhere in which Musk was doing 90% of the talking, with Trump just nodding occasionally.

But Trump doesn't seem nearly as submissive around Musk as he was with Putin at Helsinki, when he looked like frightened puppy after their private talk.
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Body Language Expert Says Trump Is Acting "Submissive" Around Musk (Futurism) (Original Post) highplainsdem 8 hrs ago OP
Freudian Interpretation mr715 8 hrs ago #1
Just as he does around vlad. niyad 8 hrs ago #2
That's just what I was going to say. We have Cha 8 hrs ago #10
I remember that disgusting image vividly. niyad 7 hrs ago #13
Yeah, that's one. Cha 7 hrs ago #14
Trump has always been queen of the betas Johonny 8 hrs ago #11
"queen"??? niyad 7 hrs ago #12
Yep. You can tell who's the "alpha." calimary 5 hrs ago #25
Because Eloon is his handler FHRRK 8 hrs ago #3
Chain of command gab13by13 8 hrs ago #4
+1 dalton99a 6 hrs ago #18
Musk is a stand in for Putin and Trump knows it? Irish_Dem 8 hrs ago #5
Ha ha ha .... Rump is so shy around his boss. A Weak little boy. Trueblue1968 8 hrs ago #6
OT: "star-crossed" means the stars/fates/destiny are lined up against you. eppur_se_muova 8 hrs ago #7
' The only other figure with whom the president-elect is so submissive is Vladimir Putin, Mr Stanton believes.' elleng 8 hrs ago #8
Well, Trump wanted Stormy Daniels to spank him. surfered 8 hrs ago #9
I wonder where they will spend next Pluterday? JanMichael 7 hrs ago #15
Later that day Putin joined them flamingdem 7 hrs ago #16
I really hope Trump sees this!!! It needs a lot of attention! nt Quixote1818 6 hrs ago #17
YES! catchnrelease 5 hrs ago #26
Same as when he's with PUTEEN UTUSN 6 hrs ago #19
I think it's obvious JI7 6 hrs ago #20
This makes me think Trump knows that Musk won him the election. . Tribetime 6 hrs ago #21
That makes sense and would explain a lot. hadEnuf 6 hrs ago #23
Exactly. ShazzieB 5 hrs ago #28
can you even IMAGINE the quandary for Trump Skittles 6 hrs ago #22
drumpf "kept his hands down and nodded stiffly" JoseBalow 6 hrs ago #24
The picture in the plane with eloon also showed that. duncang 5 hrs ago #27
Vice President tRump Blue Owl 4 hrs ago #29
My suspicion is that Trump was bored misanthrope 1 hr ago #30

mr715

(853 posts)
1. Freudian Interpretation
Wed Nov 20, 2024, 08:28 PM
8 hrs ago

He is subconsciously playing with his pockets and acting submissive because he is associating his personal worth with wealth, and is a fraction of Musk's worthweath.

Cha

(305,385 posts)
10. That's just what I was going to say. We have
Wed Nov 20, 2024, 08:44 PM
8 hrs ago

the pic somewhere. I saw it on DU several times but can't find it now.

Johonny

(22,034 posts)
11. Trump has always been queen of the betas
Wed Nov 20, 2024, 08:48 PM
8 hrs ago

He is subservient to anyone that he thinks has a power hold on him. He is easy to manipulate. Basically the whole world knows it, but the American voter.

eppur_se_muova

(37,388 posts)
7. OT: "star-crossed" means the stars/fates/destiny are lined up against you.
Wed Nov 20, 2024, 08:41 PM
8 hrs ago
The terms "star-crossed" and "star-crossed lovers" refer to two people who are not able to be together for some reason. These terms also have other meanings, but originally mean that the pairing is being "thwarted by a malign star" or that the stars are working against the relationship.[1] Astrological in origin, the phrase stems from the belief that the positions of the stars ruled over people's fates, and is best known from the play Romeo and Juliet by the Elizabethan playwright William Shakespeare. Such pairings are often said to be doomed from the start.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star-crossed


People who write for a living should know these things.

(I'm hoping it turns out to be accurate in this case.)

elleng

(136,042 posts)
8. ' The only other figure with whom the president-elect is so submissive is Vladimir Putin, Mr Stanton believes.'
Wed Nov 20, 2024, 08:42 PM
8 hrs ago

Skittles

(159,240 posts)
22. can you even IMAGINE the quandary for Trump
Wed Nov 20, 2024, 10:39 PM
6 hrs ago

Trump has to suck up to Elon who is worth WAY more money than him

duncang

(3,591 posts)
27. The picture in the plane with eloon also showed that.
Wed Nov 20, 2024, 11:33 PM
5 hrs ago

Eloon with a big smile donnie looks like he’s scowling. I wouldn’t doubt he’s also jealous of eloon. Honestly I wouldn’t doubt donnie will see if he can take eloon down while he’s in the WH. All the talk that’s been focused on eloon is sure to upset him.

misanthrope

(8,223 posts)
30. My suspicion is that Trump was bored
Thu Nov 21, 2024, 03:50 AM
1 hr ago

Hard for him to be the center of attention when he is around others who are far richer and smarter. Plus, he has no intellectual curiosity.

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