I have a VERY real concern about the weapons in Ukraine when the war ends.

[WarGamer]

For one thing, Ukraine has a long history of corruption in the Government and specifically the military.

Zelenskyy has already fired some officials

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-68120973

There will be an EXTREME amount of explosives in every meter of territory... land mines, artillery shells, Lord knows what.

Add in crooked people and that means illegal arms sales to terrorists.

Don't forget, Ukraine sent it's nukes to Russia (although they never belonged to Ukraine) because the West didn't trust them.

[yardwork]

1. When that war ends Russia will have all the weapons.

So, yes. A very real concern.

[WarGamer]

2. of coure not...

Contrary to popular opinion (doomcasting) this thing will end with a peace deal giving Russia territory in exchange for future EU membership, when Ukraine proves it's not corrupt any more... and security guarantees with a potential NATO membership AND HEAVY global financial pledges to rebuild.

Plenty of weapons all over the place.

[Keepthesoulalive]

3. You trust Putin to be reasonable and a good ally?

[WarGamer]

6. Who said ally?

I think he wants sanctions lifted and to save face in Ukraine... and have a new land buffer between Russia and NATO.

As someone who has been to Russia AND Ukraine... and around the region...

Let me tell you about Estonia.

The east is majority Russian. Very Russian... it's industrial, dirty, has high crime and lots of poverty...

The West, like Tallin... sparkling jewels of Central Europe.

Ukraine will actually be better off without the Donbas and Crimea.

Lviv is incredibly European... the East... is NOT.

Mark my words, in 25 years Ukraine will be an EU member and be highly successful.

[Keepthesoulalive]

7. Putin like Musk , Theil and so many other rich men power hungry zealots

I can not call any other country corrupt because we are rewriting the book and we are number1
Putin will not stop , he doesn’t care about Russia or any other Baltic states ,he cares about power.
Obviously we didn’t learn about appeasement 0r we would not be talking of giving Putin land.

[surfered]

4. NPR on Ukraine's decision to give up nukes in exhange for security guarantees.

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https://www.npr.org/2022/02/21/1082124528/ukraine-russia-putin-invasion

I worry for the farmers with all those mines in their fields.

[gab13by13]

5. I disagree with all of the above

Zelenskyy is weeding out the crooked people.

Ukraine is going to win the war.

Saying that Ukraine will have to give up its sovereign territory is a Putin talking point.

[maxsolomon]

9. I hope you're right.

Current events make me doubt your predictions.

Finlandization of Ukraine is more likely than not with President Motherfucker in the White House.

[DJ Synikus Makisimus]

8. Sorta depends on if/how the war ends.

The question seems to indicate belief in the notion that a Trump Presidency will end the war. I'm not so sure, and I have my doubts on Trump accomplishing anything anywhere at any time. But to the larger point:

Outside forces can't impose peace on Palestine/Israel, what makes anyone think they can be imposed on Ukraine/Russia? There are too many variables* to be able to predict much of anything at this point. War could last decades at some level (like guerrilla war), even if a government is ousted in Kyiv or Moscow or both. There is a fairly set process in place for replacing a President in Ukraine, not in Russia. Putin's no spring chicken. Both economies are in some state of shambles, and that is likely to get worse. Ukraine is rumored to be on the verge of making its own nukes, if they haven't done so already. Also, wherever there's a war, there's someone willing to supply the weapons; for a profit or some other advantage, or the promises thereof, of course. See Sudan and Syria and Yemen, among other places. European arms shipments aren't governed by Trump or Putin. Despite Putin spending heavily on right-wing politicians; they haven't slowed down, they've increased. Also, one thing I'm not seeing is any indication that the Ukrainians are willing to surrender.

I also wonder if Trump and his MAGAts would stand in the way of any arms deals between US weapons manufacturers and Ukraine, as long as he sees the owners of the US companies involved as his "friends." Probably depends on who whispers in his ear last (and pays him).

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*not to go down the rabbit hole or anything, but what I REALLY wonder about is China. Are they content to continue to receive energy products from Russia via an aging despot like Putin, who has no designated successor or process to choose one? Chinese farmers have already "colonized" the abandoned collective farms of Siberia (admittedly without challenging sovereignty) and are exporting lots of food back home. Would it make sense for Russia to be defeated and the Chinese to take control of, or establish a puppet state in, Siberia?