$195 Billion to Ukraian

[Jackson jr]

That's how much the United States has sent to Ukraine.

Is it Worth it? . And do you support more money going into Ukraine

[Turbineguy]

1. It's probably confiscated Russian money.

[Jackson jr]

3. Here are the numbers for your review

The United States has allocated $113.4 billion in emergency funding to support Ukraine, American partners affected by the Russia-Ukraine war, and US national security programs.[1]

However, just because money has been allocated doesn’t mean it has been spent. Congress has set aside emergency funding for federal agencies to spend at their discretion and doles it out depending on the immediate and longer-term needs of Ukraine, US allies, and US weapons supplies.

So far, The United States has sent Ukraine over $60 billion in funding and equipment through military, economic, and humanitarian aid. Ukraine will have to repay some of these funds after the war,

[hedda_foil]

7. What do you suggest?

[Moosepoop]

15. This post contradicts your thread title.

First you claim $195 billion, then you post this. None of it with any citations or links to your source material.

How about showing us where your conflicting info is coming from?

[bluestarone]

40. Good try

[Mopar151]

14. No, sanctions did'nt bring us lots of loot

And the US has'nt siezed much. Russia WILL END UP IN RECEIVERSHIP when Putin goes.

[Silent Type]

2. Right now we have commitments and should honor them. Longer term, we need to

work with NATO. trump is the concern.

[In It to Win It]

6. Soft power. It's about trust. If we're going to be the leader of the free world, other countries have to trust us

All of the alliances that we build, we have to keep the trust or otherwise, we will lose the sway that we supposedly have. That means helping allies when they need it. If giving a little humanitarian aid keeps that trust, we give it.

[niyad]

8. You could always look at the federal budget to answer those questions.

[John Shaft]

33. Why not one million can you say gravy?

[qazplm135]

5. No, not really

A large chunk of what we sent them is stuff sitting effectively in our garbage.

Fighting vehicles we don't use, tanks we don't use, a lot of old, obsolete equipment we don't use, even F-16s we don't use anymore.

That stuff still has a "value" but we aren't sending them that much in money, nor is the true value that much.

There's the value of tying up a fascist enemy in Ukraine. Because if they are tied up in Ukraine, they aren't in other places.

There is the value of supporting democratic countries. It's deterred China from invading Taiwan. That's value too.

[niyad]

11. Ohhhhh myyyyyyy. This is becoming quite interesting.

[MustLoveBeagles]

20. What did I miss?

[niyad]

21. Nothing, really. Just the same sort of talking points as in the rest of their posts.

Popcorn, anyone?

[MustLoveBeagles]

25. ...

[Jackson jr]

10. We benefited WW2

We gave Britain "cash and lease" for 99 years, and they're still baying us interest and cash. Will Taiwan or Ukraine be able to pay us 195 billion? I doubt it

[William769]

24. Has trump approached you yet to be in his administration?

[Meowmee]

30. Lol😹

[marble falls]

45. The British, the Russians, the French ... got the equivelent of a lot more than $195 Billion in todays dollars from ...

... Lend/Lease. Haiti repaid it's repartitions for all the slaves the French lost in Haiti's liberatiion, they didn't pay it off until the 60s. Taiwan is a powerhouse economy, fer pete's sake. Ukraine has tons of potential as a breadbasket to the world as well as other economic potential. Russian scrap iron might be a big one in itself. All that specialty steel. If they didn't have potential - why does Russia want them so bad?

Don't you think Ukraine clearing out our old weapon systems won't create thousands of jobs to rebuild our weeded out arsenal?

[MaryMagdaline]

12. I support it 100 per cent

It’s a small portion of our military, and it is effectively handicapping one of our major geopolitical rivals. Ukraine is a fledgling democracy who deserves freedom from their ancient bully.

[meadowlander]

13. Vladimir Putin not rolling into the rest of Eastern Europe? Priceless.

[littlemissmartypants]

16. Your post would...

Be more likely to stimulate discussion with the monetary breakdown of the allocations.

For example, what percentage of the money actually goes to American manufacturing for the weapons? Because there are actually companies in the USA that benefit from American financial support to Ukraine.

Could you please share that information?

TIA

❤️pants





🌻🇺🇦❤️🇺🇦🌻 Slava Ukraini! 🌻🇺🇦❤️🇺🇦🌻

[Crunchy Frog]

17. This is a Magat talking point. We have sent weapons to Ukraine that are decades old and mostly useless to ourselves.

And an arbitrary monetary value has been assigned to them.

We should have given them way more and way sooner IMO. The value of a rules based international order is incalculable, but we will certainly feel the cost of it when it's gone.

[sinkingfeeling]

18. I support Ukraine 100%. They're fighting to stop Russian

aggression. If they fail, Putin has stated he will annihilate all Ukrainians and he will then continue his march across Europe. Then it will be a world war with the MAGA States sitting it out, rooting for a new world order under dictatorship.

[arthritisR_US]

19. Excellent point 👍🏼

[La Coliniere]

34. Agree. He's already threatening Poland

[Morbius]

22. Some things are more important than money.

I absolutely support spending whatever it takes to prevent the creation of a new Russian empire.

You know what? The people in Ukraine? They're people. Innocent of wrongdoing, most of them. They don't deserve this. They have responded with tremendous courage.

I pay taxes, and yeah, they hurt. I will continue to pay taxes, and I will pay more if I have to. I have two words for you: the first one starts with "F" and the second one is "Off".

[PSPS]

23. Any amount is "worth it." Putin won't stop at Ukraine. Oh, and you have disrupted poorly.

[niyad]

26. By the way, you might want to correct your title. It is spelled UKRAINE,

as you properly did in the text.

[applegrove]

27. They are fighting for us so Russia is depleted and Poland is not the next place to be invaded.

That would mean NATO would be involved directly. Looks like that may have worked. Russia is relying on North Koreans to fill out their ranks. The Ukrainian people 1/2 want to negotiate a peace now. I hope for peace. But this later Biden give on Ukrainians being allowed to direct their missiles way inside Russia is so Ukraine has a few bargaining chips when they do negotiate with Russia. IMHO.

[OnDoutside]

28. I support doubling it.

[Walleye]

29. So what? We should just let Putin march in and take any country in Europe he wants to by force?

Putin is our mortal enemy, and we are not losing any soldiers fighting him. I think we owe Ukraine.

[Celerity]

31. ...

[John Shaft]

32. Chump change

What's it to ya, bub?

[GoCubsGo]

35. That's all?

Should be three or four times that. Any amount of money to stop Putin's bloody imperialism is worth it.

[LexVegas]

36. Trollin' huh? nt

[Tommy Carcetti]

37. How is Savushkina Street treating you?

You make the A team yet?

[Red Mountain]

38. It's like when people go to Goodwill

They fill out a form and get to enter the dollar amount for the value of the donation.

Even if you don't claim it on your taxes, why enter zero?


Some of the equipment we've been sending is past or nearing it's expiration date. A tank or other armored vehicle is easy enough to park in the desert and let rot. Explosives and propellants need to be disposed of correctly.

There's a cost to dismantling old things that go whoosh and boom. I haven't seen a breakdown of our donations in terms of how much we are saving by giving them away for disposal with Russian help but the number is not zero.

Regardless, it's been a great investment not only in terms of embarrassing the Russians and degrading their military but in terms of what we've learned (hopefully) about how the next war will fought.

I'm much happier to see videos of Russians being blown up by drones than Americans. The military is scrambling to provide defenses for our troops and equipment.

And the Russians are jerks who interfere in elections worldwide undermining our interests and still have thousands of nukes pointed at us.

[republianmushroom]

39. Is it Worth it? Yup and more IMO.

[Kaleva]

41. Definitely worth it.

[demmiblue]

42. ...

[Dawson Leery]

43. Yes!

[bif]

44. What's "Ukraian"?

[Baitball Blogger]

46. Of course.

Ukraine is in the best position to deplete Putin's military. That way, there will be fewer young Americans who will die to establish order in Europe.

We have all been here before.

[demmiblue]

47. "Posting privileges revoked"

[Emile]

48. Better than Trump's bending over for Putin.