Plan C to take the White House

[KS Toronado]

Plan A, winning the Electoral College failed.

Plan B, swing State recounts because of bullet ballots, yet to be determined.

Plan C, upcoming Jan 6th electoral vote counting day, we object to the Swing States Electoral Votes for
whatever reason throwing the House the mission of determining the winner by voting.

Now walk a mile in a House Republican's shoes, how many are afraid TSF will ruin this country?

How many see him sending missiles, tanks & airplanes to Russia, ground troops next?

How many don't like him being cozy with Putin?

How many are tired of kissing his ass and afraid of his wrath if they say the wrong thing?

We don't need all of them to vote with us just a handful and our House & Senate members should start
reaching across the aisle to those Rs they believe will side with us to save this Country from TSF & Putin.

Had a dream about this a few days back.......

https://democraticunderground.com/100219752323

[True Dough]

1. I think we'll need

a Plan D.

[Polybius]

16. We have one

Wait until 2028.

[Initech]

22. *26 midterms have entered the chat*

Let's focus on that before we get to the 28 election.

[Polybius]

24. Oh certainly

I was referring to the OP's post about what to do for the Presidency. 2026 will be an important step, but it's not gonna be easy. Pickup's include Maine.

[Lady Freedom Returns]

28. Remember.

The midterms are 2 years away. With Orangey showing more of his true colors, buyers remorse is going to flip a few seats.

We block what he wants to do for the last two years of his term and work on framework to fix what damage he will do the first half.

[Initech]

21. Plan D: INVEST IN MEDIA!!!

I don't know how many times I need to say this - the Dems have ZERO presence in media. We get what? One hour of Stephen Colbert a night, whereas they have a monopoly on radio, TV and social media. And the right wing belittles and berates everything that has even the slightest bit of independent thought not manufactured by Rupert Murdoch. It's time to break up that monopoly. We're never going to flip votes or change minds if we don't start taking back our media. Fuck Rupert Murdoch.

[True Dough]

23. I subscribe to The Bulwark on YouTube and via podcast

They put out a lot of programming and it's good quality with knowledgeable guests.

The host, Tim Miller, is a former Republican who has seen the light. Seems that there are many of those. Too bad they couldn't convince more people to come over with them.

Anyway, that's just one example. You're right, we need much more of it!

[Seeking Serenity]

27. Um, to the best of my knowledge, The Bulwark and The Dispatch

were started and are mostly written by Bushite neocons (Bulwark by Bill Kristol of the old Weekly Standard magazine; and Dispatch by former National Review writers Jonah Goldberg, son of Lucianne Goldberg, and Kevin Williamson, plus Stephen Hayes, who was a reliable pro-war commentator on Fox News during the Bush and Obama years.

These people can change their party designations, proudly proclaim that they voted for Biden and Harris, but they haven't changed their core beliefs. They are still neo-cons, pro-war hawks who believe America should maintain its globally interventionist position, more and more defence spending, and, frankly, placing the interests of Israel ahead of virtually all other considerations other than tax cuts. The only thing we and they agree on is hatred of TFG.

Unless the Democratic Party has decided to transform itself into the neo-con party, we gain little by hooking up our wagons to theirs and the Cheneys. I, myself, want nothing to do with them.

[Initech]

32. We also need more presence with the youth vote.

I'm seriously worried that young men in this country are going to be lost for a generation or more. They've come to know the republican party and right wing assholes like Andrew Tate and Joe Rogan as the epitome of masculinity. It's scary.

[True Dough]

34. Agreed.

There are a bunch of other scumbags that appeal to that age group on the right. It's a complete mismatch compared to what the left has to offer.

[electric_blue68]

36. Very recently Soros bought at least 200 radik stations. Hopefully they can get up to speed quckly!

[Mossfern]

2. Never gonna happen

That's just wishful thinking.

[KS Toronado]

4. It's in our laws, the House can determine the winner!

What have we got to lose? We're already in the "we lost" column. My glass is half full.

[Mossfern]

6. I don't think that there will be ANY Republican support

no matter who is not comfortable with Trump. It will be interesting if there are any that are not cowards.

[Polybius]

20. Half full equates to getting getting one's hopes up for nothing

But your glass seems like it's completely full, not even half full. Plan C is not gonna happen.

[TheKentuckian]

3. What is the point of plan C? The Republicans have the delegation advantage.

All that does is declare the House can overturn elections while still losing.

If you must keep bargaining at least dream up something beneficial rather than making dogshit somehow a bit worse.

[KS Toronado]

5. Sorry I don't believe all elected Rs are his die hard loyalists

Some are smart enough to see him ruining the economy and their chances of getting reelected.

[TheKentuckian]

8. Which state delegations do you think will flip?

This wouldn't be a regular vote where the margins are slim so one could hope on a couple to see the light.

Even that would be a risky roll of the dice considering most are way more worried about a primary than losing a general but pressing the actual situation is stupicidal.

Game it out, don't just "vibe" it.

No way enough state delegations flip.

Bad bargaining that encourages even more long term damage.

[Celerity]

30. Yes, the Rethugs now control 30 US House State delegations post 2024 (they gained 4: AK, MI, PA, NC, plus drew even

in CO at 4 R 4 D, so took CO control from us, now CO is a wash).

Zero chance 5 Rethug state delegations defect (5 would be needed to pull them under the 26 needed to win POTUS).

[Celerity]

29. You do not seem to understand how the voting works IF the POTUS selection was to go to the US House.

Each State delegation gets ONE vote.

26 is needed to win.

The Rethugs now, post 2024, control 30 State US House delegations.

It is not possible, even if a few individual Rethugs defected (and they would likely be in a Dem controlled State) to pull the Rethugs under 26. And the odds of a Rethug, even in a swing district in a Blue state bucking Trump is SO unlikely (and meaningless to the outcome).

It just is NOT going to happen, regardless of your or my wishes.

[KS Toronado]

33. Oh wow, I thought every House Member got a vote, thanks for the heads up.

[Mike 03]

7. The Republicans come to the rescue?

No. For 8 years I've heard this wishful theory that deep down the Republicans hate and fear Trump and are waiting for any excuse to get rid of him. They've had now so many off ramps and they never take them--not even to save half a million Americans from unnecessary death by COVID.

I like your spirit, though. We do need people to think outside the box.

[TheKentuckian]

9. In order to productively think outside the box, one must understand the confines of the box

or it can quickly degrade into a "ready, fire, aim" situation.

"It cannot possibly get any worse so let's flail around and just do anything", almost always ends up being a failure of imagination catastrophe that directly leads to a fuck around and find out scenario.

Like we win in 2028 but the Republicans just roll out the failed 2024 gameplan forwarded but with the delegations to actually pull it off instead of blowing their own brains all over the Capitol building as we inevitably would if we stupidly tried.

[bluestarone]

10. Strange, I had that thought of TFG

Giving weapons to Russia. Hell even troops.

[Wiz Imp]

11. I'd admire your optimism if you weren't being so totally delusional

[MOJohn]

12. I would be interested in hearing Plan D

[edhopper]

13. Stop with the fantasy

their are any Republicans that oppose Trump.

[tritsofme]

14. I see we are still in the bargaining stage....

[milestogo]

15. Republicans only care about POWER. They don't care if the country is destroyed.

[Polybius]

18. But the country will also be destroyed if the poster's "Plan C" is implemented

Harris lost the election. The poster wants Congress to install her anyway because Trump is bad.

[WarGamer]

17. You proposing storming the Capitol to stop the count?

the irony...

[Polybius]

19. Harris legitimately lost the election, in the Electoral Vote and even the Popular Vote

You want Congress to install her anyway because Trump is bad? That's pretty undemocratic if you ask me.

[sarisataka]

25. Recall the House vote on a state basis

Not by individual delegates. The current make up of states is

30 Republican majority
17 Democratic majority
13 split delegation or yet to be determined

There is no realistic scenario that would see Harris getting 26 votes in the HoR. It can only happen in a dream.

[hunter]

26. Perhaps the Trump they are parading around now is an impostor.

The actual Trump is dead. Let's do some DNA testing and end this farce.

At least that's the rumor I'll be passing around in MAGA world.

When this fake Trump starts fucking up their MAGA lives personally, when they lose their jobs, health care, retirement and Social Security benefits, they'll be even more likely to believe it.

Is a Trump presidency legitimate if it's not the Trump they thought they were voting for?

[Crunchy Frog]

31. This is the bargaining stage of grief.

I'm sure there are some Rs who at least find him distasteful. Any of them who were willing to stick their necks out are gone. Adam Kinzinger and Liz Cheney were the last.

[SickOfTheOnePct]

35. Plan B

is dead as well…the so-called bullet ballots are a non-issue.

[Deep State Witch]

37. Not Gonna Storm the Capitol

Sorry, Dems aren't going to storm the Capitol with guns, threaten lawmakers, and smear feces on the wall. Ain't gonna happen.