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Found on Facebook: Never Say His Name (Original Post) CaliforniaPeggy Nov 24 OP
Sounds like good advice. Jim__ Nov 25 #1
Oh yes indeed. CaliforniaPeggy Nov 25 #3
Whiny it is question everything Nov 25 #2
I did not find it that way at all. arthritisR_US Nov 25 #5
Just the opposite! H2O Man Nov 25 #7
That's what I thought too as a white Canadian old lady🤗 arthritisR_US Nov 25 #8
What is outstanding? I have been referring to him as Whiny even since he refused to vacate question everything Nov 25 #15
I think they thought you meant the tone of the meme was whiny Qutzupalotl Nov 25 #18
.. Vdizzle Nov 25 #12
What are you talking about? question everything Nov 25 #16
First of all, that poster is NOT a troll, but a long-time, valued member niyad Nov 25 #20
I assumed you mean his name will be "Whiny." I've decided to use "His Lowness." Lucky Luciano Nov 25 #14
Resistance isn't "whiny" synni Nov 25 #30
The poster meant that Trump is "Whiny". arkielib Nov 25 #45
Seems pretty clear that was what the poster meant. TomSlick Nov 25 #58
Well said Permanut Nov 25 #4
Recommended. H2O Man Nov 25 #6
I recommended too and your labelling of him, spot on!👍🏼 arthritisR_US Nov 25 #9
Love it. donheld Nov 25 #10
Very helpful advice. wendyb-NC Nov 25 #11
Please all, Disaffected Nov 25 #13
But please all, when you do need to grieve, do it. Think. Again. Nov 25 #27
Very solid advice. Thanks for this find, Peggy Hekate Nov 25 #17
Thank you for this great find. I have not used his name since he came down niyad Nov 25 #19
I was just watching a video NJCher Nov 25 #21
Is "the convicted felon" and "adjudicated rapist" OK? CTyankee Nov 25 #22
For those who wonder, or might need to know the facts of the source, Silver Gaia Nov 25 #23
I could see immediately that it was from 2017. SleeplessinSoCal Nov 25 #24
Well, for whatever it's worth, I never saw this in 2017. Silver Gaia Nov 25 #25
No, I thank you for posting. Think. Again. Nov 25 #28
Nope. You are taking my comment personally. SleeplessinSoCal Nov 25 #41
Be the change you are looking for Tweedy Nov 25 #47
Dotard will do. IzzaNuDay Nov 25 #26
Really? Did the hole in one fabricator actually Tweedy Nov 25 #48
Felonious Maximus (with 32 felony convictions, surely he's earned that title) /nt nmmi Nov 25 #29
Sage counsel this SKKY Nov 25 #31
I remember this... Mike Nelson Nov 25 #32
I judge this to be excellent advice. Trust_Reality Nov 25 #33
One change: refer to MAGA (or MAGA Death Cult) as there is no longer any "Republican" party Wild blueberry Nov 25 #34
Yes, all of this, CP. Magoo48 Nov 25 #35
Especially like the list's last bit of advice. From now on, it's the Republican Party that allegorical oracle Nov 25 #36
Completely agree! BlueHurricane Nov 25 #37
That resonates well with me. Pacifist Patriot Nov 25 #44
I never do. I prefer to use "DJT." malthaussen Nov 25 #38
It's always TSF for me. returnee Nov 25 #51
11. Don't say GOP call it the MAGA Party, they hate that. 12. Call everything that goes wrong economically Trumpinomics uponit7771 Nov 25 #39
Calling it the MAGA party won't make the few remaining Republicans MadameButterfly Nov 25 #42
Labeling MAGA bad is the goal not making people feel shame, we needed democrats to vote in last election not less ... uponit7771 Nov 25 #54
I'm not talking about voters here MadameButterfly Nov 26 #67
Voldemort Voldemort Voldemort!!!!!!!!! WarGamer Nov 25 #40
I agree 100%. We need to move on and work on tomorrow. Remember Don't Stop back in the day?? Ziggysmom Nov 25 #43
Thank you bdamomma Nov 25 #46
The Felon would do nicely. spanone Nov 25 #49
He bdamomma Nov 25 #50
It's been TSF for me for quite a while now. Deuxcents Nov 25 #52
Seems childish tbh osteopath6 Nov 25 #53
Voters don't know a serious offer of an alternative vision for the future slightlv Nov 25 #65
Thank you for this. c-rational Nov 25 #55
Excellent!! wordstroken Nov 25 #56
Good advice. Trueblue Texan Nov 25 #57
I never call the current GOP POTUS "president" BigmanPigman Nov 25 #59
His hat says 45-47. I have been referring to him as -2 and two-below. nt Gore1FL Nov 25 #60
traitortrump is what I've used for years. All together, we can teach search engines. Hermit-The-Prog Nov 25 #61
As loathe as I am to quote JK Rowling.... Scully Nov 25 #62
ATTENTION!!!! She should go speak to the leadership of the Watermelon Mafia wolfie001 Nov 25 #63
I agree 100% - TBF Nov 25 #64
MLK's daughter updated her post. summer_in_TX Nov 26 #66

question everything

(49,086 posts)
15. What is outstanding? I have been referring to him as Whiny even since he refused to vacate
Mon Nov 25, 2024, 01:20 AM
Nov 25

the White House..

The OP said not to use his name so I replies that he is Whiny

Qutzupalotl

(15,161 posts)
18. I think they thought you meant the tone of the meme was whiny
Mon Nov 25, 2024, 01:31 AM
Nov 25

and you were speaking like Yoda for some reason. I had to read it a couple of times and still took it that way, so I'm glad you explained.

niyad

(120,664 posts)
20. First of all, that poster is NOT a troll, but a long-time, valued member
Mon Nov 25, 2024, 01:47 AM
Nov 25

of this community. Second of all, the post was explained.

TomSlick

(11,973 posts)
58. Seems pretty clear that was what the poster meant.
Mon Nov 25, 2024, 08:15 PM
Nov 25
I have been referring to him as Whiny even since he refused to vacate.

H2O Man

(75,779 posts)
6. Recommended.
Mon Nov 25, 2024, 12:25 AM
Nov 25

I have not since late 2020. I have since called him the sociopath, the felon, or the sociopathic felon.

niyad

(120,664 posts)
19. Thank you for this great find. I have not used his name since he came down
Mon Nov 25, 2024, 01:43 AM
Nov 25

that damned escaltor.

NJCher

(38,229 posts)
21. I was just watching a video
Mon Nov 25, 2024, 01:50 AM
Nov 25

from Australian. The spokesperson said not to use his name, either. Said it was going to be "45" on that show.

This idea must be spreading.

CTyankee

(65,282 posts)
22. Is "the convicted felon" and "adjudicated rapist" OK?
Mon Nov 25, 2024, 02:06 AM
Nov 25

The repukes love law and order, right? So is using the actual, legal terms to describe him OK?

Silver Gaia

(4,914 posts)
23. For those who wonder, or might need to know the facts of the source,
Mon Nov 25, 2024, 02:09 AM
Nov 25

Last edited Mon Nov 25, 2024, 05:05 AM - Edit history (1)

which I must know in the work I do, here are two reputable sources I found in a brief search for authorship. Evidently, this is from 2017, but it is still GREAT advice we should all take to heart. It has been attributed to Bernice King, but she has never claimed to be the author.

The first is from Ebony. It has some additional words from John Lennon that I liked:

Keep demonstrations peaceful. In the words of John Lennon, “When it gets down to having to use violence, then you are playing the system’s game. The establishment will irritate you – pull your beard, flick your face – to make you fight! Because once they’ve got you violent, then they know how to handle you. The only thing they don’t know how to handle is non-violence and humor.”

The second source is the Washington Post (yeah, I know... but this was in 2017).

Thank you so much for finding this and sharing it with us, California Peggy! I love it, and it is even more relevant now than it was in 2017. It is advice we all need to take to heart, regardless of where it originated. (But I thought I should at least share what I learned when I looked for confirmation of its origin.) Thank you, thank you, thank you!

SleeplessinSoCal

(9,739 posts)
24. I could see immediately that it was from 2017.
Mon Nov 25, 2024, 02:28 AM
Nov 25

Which makes this all the more tragic. We pretty much followed that advice. They came back more radical, hateful and lawless - with blessings of SCOTUS.

I'm waiting on the next Winston Churchill or FDR. a leader who is eloquent and experienced in the machinations of Fascists. (A system of government marked by centralization of authority under a dictator, a capitalist economy subject to stringent governmental controls, violent suppression of the opposition, and typically a policy of belligerent nationalism and racism.)

Silver Gaia

(4,914 posts)
25. Well, for whatever it's worth, I never saw this in 2017.
Mon Nov 25, 2024, 03:56 AM
Nov 25

I don't think anyone else here did, either. And I don't think we did a very good job of numbers 3, 4, 5, or 6. We didn't follow it and fail. We can do better. And it IS still good advice.

But the last thing on earth I wanted to do was make any DUer feel worse. So, I'm sorry. Maybe I need to just go back to keeping my thoughts to myself.

SleeplessinSoCal

(9,739 posts)
41. Nope. You are taking my comment personally.
Mon Nov 25, 2024, 03:06 PM
Nov 25

As I read it sounded so familiar. I didn't actually see this list, but everything on it was imparted in various ways. Calling him 45 and not referencing him by his name sounds very Harry Potter. He is so much worse than what this was trying deal with. And he's back. Very Harry Potter.

Tweedy

(1,220 posts)
47. Be the change you are looking for
Mon Nov 25, 2024, 04:32 PM
Nov 25

Said a wise man running for our presidency once.

Get some zzz’s too.

Southern California (and California, in general) are in the heartland of everything that is going right for a most refreshing change.

https://www.wired.com/story/california-will-keep-moving-the-world-forward/

The link made me sad for all of the perfecting we could have achieved everywhere if we won the last information battle.

Nonetheless, it also made my heart sing because as Winston Churchill might have said
“America always does the right thing after exhausting every other possibility” and this time most of the right things are being born and nurtured in our golden state.

Tweedy

(1,220 posts)
48. Really? Did the hole in one fabricator actually
Mon Nov 25, 2024, 04:33 PM
Nov 25

use the dotard on he-who-must-be-grifting?

Wild blueberry

(7,271 posts)
34. One change: refer to MAGA (or MAGA Death Cult) as there is no longer any "Republican" party
Mon Nov 25, 2024, 01:04 PM
Nov 25

The long devolution that began under Reagan is complete.
Thank you for the list, CaliforniaPeggy!

allegorical oracle

(3,397 posts)
36. Especially like the list's last bit of advice. From now on, it's the Republican Party that
Mon Nov 25, 2024, 02:07 PM
Nov 25

gets called out whenever TSF goes on a crime spree.

BlueHurricane

(33 posts)
37. Completely agree!
Mon Nov 25, 2024, 02:29 PM
Nov 25

I think I’ll refer to TFG as the Republican Administration. Everything bad must be attributed to the Republicans. He’s their guy.

malthaussen

(17,788 posts)
38. I never do. I prefer to use "DJT."
Mon Nov 25, 2024, 02:33 PM
Nov 25

I also don't waste time insulting him. Nor do I make much of the stupidity and ignorance of his followers, concentrating rather on their cowardice and incompetence. The latter is something that will be very important in the next few years. We should remember that there is a large gap between bragging about all the things you're going to do, and actually executing those plans.

-- Mal

uponit7771

(91,997 posts)
39. 11. Don't say GOP call it the MAGA Party, they hate that. 12. Call everything that goes wrong economically Trumpinomics
Mon Nov 25, 2024, 02:55 PM
Nov 25

... they hate that too.

Both are a good way to normalize how extreme the MAGA Party is

MadameButterfly

(1,951 posts)
42. Calling it the MAGA party won't make the few remaining Republicans
Mon Nov 25, 2024, 03:08 PM
Nov 25

vulnerable to conscience or shame feel responsible for their actions. Lets be clear that MAGAs are a lost cause, Republicans only if they call themselves MAGAs. Let's leave some breathing room for the 3 or 4 Republicans we need to vote againsth things like SS, arresting "enemies", confirming nominees without background checks, people who think there might be another election and fear voters as well as Trump.

These are people we want to both win over and shame. Let's call it for what it is. The Republican Party is doing this. The JAGAs are a cult, not a party.

uponit7771

(91,997 posts)
54. Labeling MAGA bad is the goal not making people feel shame, we needed democrats to vote in last election not less ...
Mon Nov 25, 2024, 05:27 PM
Nov 25

... MAGA party votes.

Republicans voted 94% for Trump in 20 and 94% in 24 ... even after a campaign by sane GOP, Trumps 20 hot garbage and his horrid econ plans Republican votes did not budge.

Going after people who wont vote for a dem after 24 is a fools errand at this point, label them as the dark force and gather more democrats for 26 and 28

MadameButterfly

(1,951 posts)
67. I'm not talking about voters here
Tue Nov 26, 2024, 06:55 AM
Nov 26

I'm talking about members of Congress. If the goal of the OP is to make Republicans take responsibility, make it clear it's Republicans, not some faction or extreme wing of the party. All of them are responsible for what they've done and what they do.

Because the handful in Congress who might vote to keep Social Security might not identify as MAGA.

Ziggysmom

(3,635 posts)
43. I agree 100%. We need to move on and work on tomorrow. Remember Don't Stop back in the day??
Mon Nov 25, 2024, 03:11 PM
Nov 25
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Deuxcents

(20,147 posts)
52. It's been TSF for me for quite a while now.
Mon Nov 25, 2024, 04:44 PM
Nov 25

Any of these endearing names will be recognized, I’m sure 📎

osteopath6

(115 posts)
53. Seems childish tbh
Mon Nov 25, 2024, 04:48 PM
Nov 25

Voters expect us to return with a serious offer of an alternative vision for the future, not antics and childish games.

Names are proper nouns in my language and I'm not going to start speaking or writing incorrectly to appease, well, anyone.

slightlv

(4,441 posts)
65. Voters don't know a serious offer of an alternative vision for the future
Mon Nov 25, 2024, 10:16 PM
Nov 25

if it'd rap them upside the head. Obviously. I don't know what will get them to come up to adulthood status, but everything we tried was for naught. The only tragedy is they take us down with them.

BigmanPigman

(52,357 posts)
59. I never call the current GOP POTUS "president"
Mon Nov 25, 2024, 08:37 PM
Nov 25

due to a lifetime of BS stolen elections since I was able to vote in 1980...Raygun, Bush 1 and 2, and tRump.

As a teacher from 1997-2013 I never taught my students about current GOP POTUSes. I also never hung their photos in my classroom and when I saw them hanging in the offices I almost puked each time.

On "Presidents' Day" I never mentioned who the current POTUS was and I only would teach about Washington and Lincoln. I guess I did "selective teaching" to my 1st graders.

I only write his name as "tRump" as well.

Scully

(80 posts)
62. As loathe as I am to quote JK Rowling....
Mon Nov 25, 2024, 09:31 PM
Nov 25

.... there are a decent number of parallels to Voldemort, aka Moldy Voldy, aka He Who Must Not Be Named. The big difference is that the advice to not use his name isn't borne of fear but of loathing, which I can get behind. Otherwise, Dumbledore has the run of it: “Call him Voldemort, Harry. Always use the proper name for things. Fear of a name increases fear of the thing itself.” And now that I think about it more, the similarities are stronger down to the existence of a Grindelwald in our midst, too, but that's more Harry Potter than I am comfortable with tonight.

wolfie001

(3,847 posts)
63. ATTENTION!!!! She should go speak to the leadership of the Watermelon Mafia
Mon Nov 25, 2024, 09:47 PM
Nov 25

They were most responsible for this senseless outcome. She should have a symposium with all of the public leaders that squawked about sitting on the sidelines. If they don't engage, she should name names. Many are in the late 30s and 40s so they will be interfering again in 2 and then 4 years. This needs to be dealt with. I saw their sickening bullshit on TT.

TBF

(34,754 posts)
64. I agree 100% -
Mon Nov 25, 2024, 09:57 PM
Nov 25

we shouldn't be giving him any more credit than he deserves. And we definitely should remind everyone that the republican administration owns this nonsense.

summer_in_TX

(3,294 posts)
66. MLK's daughter updated her post.
Tue Nov 26, 2024, 12:33 AM
Nov 26

The new one (still a 2017 post) is similar but not identical. Notably she has rethought the advice to #NeverSayHisName to say use it sparingly. I am going to take #4 to heart

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