I guess I have reached the point where I say "I'M DONE!"

[Otto_Harper]

Between Smith dropping the case, Marchan dropping the ball, Mueller, Garland, Militias and the weak post election response by my fellow Democrats, I am done.

I am of an age, and of a physical condition where I can do little but watch things happen n the outside world anyway, so, Iguess I'll just sit here and watch the train wreck in slow motion.

[Ocelot II]

1. That's just what they want us to feel.

Not going there myself.

[AZ8theist]

7. Nearly a century of Reich wingers grinding down the population will cause many to give up.

That's been the plan all along.

[calimary]

16. I'm not gonna play, either.

Whatever they want, I WON’T give ‘em.

[XanaDUer2]

18. Me neither

Even if its small, I'm not going along

[claudette]

52. Who?

Jack Smith wants us to feel this way? What is the matter with Garland and Smith? Why do this?

[Ocelot II]

59. THEY being the GOP and Trump's minions.

Smith dismissed the case because he's stuck with the shitty SCOTUS decision, and yes, it's discouraging, but that case throws so much sand in the gears that he probably saw no realistic alternative. Any outcome adverse to Trump would be appealed and SCOTUS would probably find that most, if not all, of Trump's actions were covered by their bullshit immunity definition. And that would have happened even if the prosecution had started a year sooner. If there had been a trial and a guilty verdict SCOTUS most likely would have overturned it on appeal (after another year or so). There's no way out of this, but don't blame Smith.

[claudette]

60. Then

who is to blame if not the DOJ who is supposed to prosecute crimes? I'm so upset about this. Of course, SCOTUS is to blame for the immunity decision, but we won't even get a chance to fight it in court. America scares me when Dump does his "happy dance" about this and we're supposed to accept it.

[Ocelot II]

61. If SCOTUS says a sitting president can't be prosecuted,

a prosecutor simply can't do it. They can't just ignore a SCOTUS decision, and a court will throw it out. There's nothing to fight.

[claudette]

62. Again

I said it doesn't have to be dismissed. Why didn't they just postpone it. Besides, the case is about actions he took as president in the past that were NOT official duties. Why would it be thrown out? At least DOJ could have tried.

[Ocelot II]

63. They did postpone it, by dismissing it without prejudice.

That's what dismissal without prejudice means.

[claudette]

64. So then

why is it being reported that Dump said he "won" because he "persevered?" Why didn't the DOJ bring him to court BEFORE the election? Years ago? The legal system in America is broken. Only the rich can get away with crimes

[Ocelot II]

68. Because that's Trump's line, which the media will always take up.

Even if he'd been indicted the day he left office, that wouldn't have stopped SCOTUS from issuing their immunity ruling. Let's say he had been tried and convicted a year ago. Of course he'd have appealed, and SCOTUS might have decided then that everything he did on 1/6 was an official act and then he'd be off the hook. Or say the case was tried before the election and he was acquitted, which arguably would have been an even worse result. That was always my worry, since the 1/6 case was never a slam dunk. The documents case should have been (but for Loose Cannon), but I can imagine SCOTUS coming up with some bullshit to immunize him even from that. But there has never been any guarantee, even without SCOTUS' mess, that Trump would be held responsible for 1/6 because the case was so unusual and the prosecution's burden of proof is so high. I don't think the legal system is broken at the ground level, but SCOTUS sure is.

[Seeking Serenity]

71. Except that by the time TFG's term ends in Jan. 2029,

the five-year statute of limitations on those charges will have long expired. A dismissal without prejudice doesn't toll the SOL.

[Attilatheblond]

100. And he isn't in good health. Odds are he doesn't live that long anyway

The US Oligarchs are counting on him not being around long. They have younger puppets lined up to assure their reign will extend beyond their own lifetimes.

[Hope22]

104. Yes! Vance appeared in Ohio in a blink.

They moved him back into the state and started the crazy commercials and it was done before we knew it. He squatted in the senate less than two years and suddenly he’s VP under an unbalanced, physically ill person! It’s almost like magic. As an Ohioan it’s a one two punch to the gut!

[dwayneb]

88. Correct. It's not dead, simple delayed.

But yeah the SCOTUS immunity ruling really screwed us all. It granted even more power to a President that already had too much power.

We are learning the fundamental weaknesses of our Constitution and our attempt at democracy. If it wasn't Trump it would have been some other autocrat in the future that would have tested the guardrails.

[Dark n Stormy Knight]

98. Also, I believe if Garland had moved sooner, SCOTUS

may have not have gone quite so far. Maybe they were emboldened by the inaction.

[Cirsium]

72. I don't think so

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I don't think they want us to quit the game - and it is a game to them - I think they would be lost without us rising to the bait again and again. "Owning the libs" is the fuel that drives their movement. Engaging them at all means they win. Rather than building a powerful working class movement outside of electoral politics, we are wasting time and energy trying to "own the MAGAs" - we are playing right into their hands.

The electoral politics system has not worked. It cannot work in isolation from social ad economic forces. Income inequality, the loss of meaningful work, the poor quality of goods and services, and the destruction of the environment - by any measurement things have steadily gotten worse in those vital areas for most of the people for decades now. The monopolists of today would make the Robber Barons green with envy. Overarching all of that, the planet is being burned to a crisp and made incompatible with human existence. The answer to that cannot be "vote more!"

It is not defeatism to walk away from a game where we are playing badminton and the opposition is throwing live hand grenades back over the net.

[UniqueUserName]

97. Rec'd! It is not defeatism to walk away

I concur with your well-written post.

I also don't appreciate the lecture by some which can be summed up, "Be a good foot soldier. Don't be negative. Keep on keeping on." There is a difference between encouraging and motivating people and berating them for acting in what is the best course of action for them.

It's similar to market enthusiasts saying, "Never bet against the market. Traditionally, nothing returns on investment like the stock market over time. Don't try to time the market. . ." When, of course, EVERYBODY has to time the market. No human can wait indefinitely for stocks to recover. We are on a time schedule. There are people who lost everything in crash of '29 who never recovered and who did everything right. They lost everything due to the timing of their birth.

I do appreciate genuinely encouraging people/posts. ---Not so fond of the posts that are pseudo-encouraging which amount to stealth bragging and finger wagging.

[Silver Gaia]

82. Same.

[ScratchCat]

2. Same here

With them inventing a non-existent Constitutional reason, I am done and never voting again. With this filing, its an admission that the charges were political and not legitimate. The Biden administration should have taken the position from the get go that the GOP can run Trump all they want but he will still be prosecuted if he wins.

[nilram]

26. Pathetic attitude.

Voting is the least you can do.

[Polybius]

33. I understand your disappointment, but please rethink "never voting again"

The reason that we lost is because too many of us didn't vote.

[kacekwl]

47. Maybe they can come

to my house and do a study on why they lost my support like they do for the boneheads who voted for trump or Stein.

[dwayneb]

89. "not voting again" really?

We're a lot tougher than that. I will vote in every election until I take the dirt nap one day. Or until they take that right away from me.

[Harker]

3. There's not much I can do, either.

I propose we do it, though, even if it amounts to passive resistance.

It's in the attitude, I think.

[lees1975]

4. I'm right there with you.

I bought into all of the "existential threat to democracy" line that Democrats have been pushing for eight years now, and then I've watch as they became irresolute, failed to take the steps necessary to remove the threat. Could the drop off in voter support actually be at least partially caused by their failute to get even one charge to stick because of their interminable delays and refusal to take it seriously?

I have never been this disappointed in the United States of America, and I lived through all of the mess surrounding the Vietnam War.

[Cirsium]

43. Entirely

I would argue that the lack of support from the public is virtually entirely caused by the party leadership's failure to seriously oppose the right wing and the oligarchs behind the right wingers.

"If you vote or us and send us money we will take on the right wing" (and when we fail we will have really, really good excuses.)

In the real world it works the other way around.

Take on the bosses and you will have all of the support you could ever want from the workers.

[MuseRider]

5. I understand being done.

I too am done but I am jumping right back in. I simply cannot sit here and not do something. Even if it is just to find something you are interested in go to meetings. You can always decline to get really involved but you will never feel sorry if you see a place where a comment from you just might turn the bad things around from time to time.

Nobody can make you join but your interest, your presence can make a heck of a difference and at least inform you enough to talk to people.

[republianmushroom]

6. No, Sorry, but, I won't give the ass holes that satisfaction.

[JoseBalow]

8. "I'll just sit here and watch the train wreck in slow motion."

[StarryNite]

9. I don't think it will be "slow motion".

I think the train is picking up speed...and we're tied to the tracks.

[GPV]

54. Hear, hear!

[PatSeg]

102. Yes, I think you are right

It may feel like slow motion at first, but it will definitely pick up speed faster than one expects. So fast, that many will be left reeling - "What the hell just happened?"

[KPN]

10. Understandable. At the same time, that's exactly what they want

and what they have worked for going on years now. We Democrats misunderstood their purpose and goal from the outset. It never was to prevail on the basis of reason and debate re: what is good for the people, the nation as a whole, or the world. It was always just about finitely prevailing … in the self-interest and for the benefit of “superior” humans.

The only way they can achieve that is if enough of us acquiesce. Fuck ‘em. I’m going down with at least a fight. I’m almost 74. I may not — probably won’t — be around to see us turn this around. On the other hand, my children and their families depend on it. I can’t do much, but I can resist, speak out and hold my ground — and be a royal pain in the ass at every opportunity.

And believe me, I fully understand your feeling. But I’m also feeling almost like … I dunno, sounds dramatic I know, but at least metaphorically like “I have but one life to give”. So fuck ‘em … in the lesst, I’ll can rabble rouse.

[onenote]

11. the defeatism of some DUer is, for lack of a better word, disgusting.

Virginia and New Jersey have elections next year. Important elections. A chance to re-take the governorship in Virginia and to keep in in New Jersey. A chance to keep and possibly strengthen majorities in those states' legislatures, particularly in Virginia

But there are some here seem to be willing give up, essentially conceding defeat in what are winnable -- and important -- elections. And while its a clear minority of DUers, we seriously can't afford to have anyone give up.

[Otto_Harper]

12. Perhaps what you see as defeatism

is the pragmatism which arises when one abandons unwarranted normalcy bias.

[onenote]

17. No, what I see is defeatism. Grieve for losing. But don't quit. Get up and fight where you can.

I met with a group of Virginia Democrats last week. All very active during the campaign -- doing everything from donating large amounts of cash, to large amounts of time, or both. We cried in our beer. And then we immediately started discussing how we make sure that we rally Democrats in Virginia to get involved in the 2025 elections.

[Cirsium]

44. It is not defeatism

Recognizing that a particular approach to a problem doesn't work is not defeatism. Rather, it is an important first step toward ultimate success.

[Elessar Zappa]

32. No, its defeatism and giving up.

Not an honorable thing to do if you care about the country .

[Otto_Harper]

83. I will offer that tilting at windmills

hurts you more than the windmills.

I will resist the best I can. But, I'm done thinking that there is a Progressive "Movement" which will provide any basis for combining that resistance with others.

As I've said, the best I hear folks offer is getting a judge in some friendly district to issue a writ of Hocus Pocus. Then, I must assume that after the 6 weeks it takes to calendar it, there will be an appeal which is calendared 2 months further out. Etc, etc, ad infinitum.

[Hope22]

36. I wish I had every minute back of the volunteering, following the details to witness this desperate journey of a country

I wish I had the time back in order to create, inspire and foster the world on a completely different level. Our minds and hearts have been cheated out of so much. We would be on a different journey altogether. I can’t watch any more but I hope someone puts hashtags up for every faux announcement of woe so that we can know that it was all a manipulative joke!

I could hope to hear a wrap up of the 2024 election but it won’t come. I can hope for 2025/ 2026 is a better election year but we have been doing this for decades! Half a century on some issue. It might be time to wake up and see if ‘our side’ is in on the joke. They seem surprisingly quiet.

[W_HAMILTON]

37. Great attitude! I look forward to more positive posts from you going forward!

[claudette]

66. "Defeatism"

is allowed when justice is defeated. in my view. I will still vote, but I have NO hope of "winning" anything. We have lost "bigly."

[onenote]

69. No hope of "winning" anything?

We actually won more Senate races than we lost. Yes, the repubs flipped four races but it sounds like you don't think it matters if lose them all.
Same with the House. Winning it back in 2026 is a reachable goal -- if people don't just declare defeat before the election.
We can win back the governorship in Virginia and solidify our hold on the state legislature next year -- but not if you declare there is no hope of winning and stay on the sidelines.

So yes. "defeatism."

[claudette]

79. We lost when

an orange convicted felon was elected to the WH

[onenote]

81. You do realize that there are other elections don't you? Or are you one of the CT types that believe there will never be

another election, federal, state or local?

In which case, why are you still bothering to post on a political site?

[claudette]

86. Huh?

I didn’t say anything about that. I’m saying Dumpy’s four years in office will doom America.

[onenote]

96. Which certainly sounds like another way of saying, with respect to elections, why bother voting.

[claudette]

101. Not to me

[Prairie_Seagull]

13. Will it be the death of 1000 cuts?

How many cuts are we already at?

Or will it be more like

[Magoo48]

14. You are perhaps older than me. I'm 76; yet, I have many ways to resist.

I avoid spending any money that trickles up to the Oligarchs he admires. I can help strengthen my bonds within my family, friends, and any groups I belong to. And, I can support all my local businesses while backing resistance groups working against horseshit edicts and laws.

[calimary]

22. If there's an Indivisible group in your area, FIND IT! And GET INVOLVED!

At the very least, it’ll let you say you DID something about it - or at least tried to.

And better yet, you’ll meet and befriend some kindred spirits and benefits can - AND WILL - grow from that.

DON’T GET DISCOURAGED!!! That’s what the bad guys want, hope, pray for, and spend THEIR money on. So I’m determined NOT to play ANY role in giving them what they want.

[Magoo48]

25. Yup

[dwayneb]

87. Limited locations

https://indivisible.org/

They have very limited locations of groups in the Midwest. Most are not active.

[SupportSanity]

103. This is a great idea.

A great place to start.

Not active?

You get to start it up in your area (I know…. I like to sit back too, but here we are)

You might be surprised at the response now that it’s after the election.

We’re all being forced into situations we don’t like. And he hasn’t even taken over yet.

I recommend face to face because it’s easy to cripple websites and monitor cell phones and emails. Especially when you control the NSA which monitors all of that.

We’re all grieving now but I think Trump is going to see to it that we won’t have time to work through it.

Do it now before you can’t.

[beaglelover]

15. I'm done paying attention and donating money as well. There's absolutely nothing I can do at this point to prevent

any of the things that the R's are going to do over the next four years. They won it all, now they have to govern. Even if they f everything up, the electorate is so dumb in this country I don't hold out any hope that they will vote the R's out of office. I'm just going to live my life and maybe watch the national evening news to keep up on current events. We haven't had MSNBC or CNN on in our house since the election.

[onenote]

21. That's incredibly wrong headed.

You're admitting defeat and the fight has barely begun. There are elections in several states next year. I gave the maximum allowable to the Harris campaign this year and I don't regret it. And I will give the maximum allowable to Abigail Stamberger, the Democratic candidate for governor in Virginia and to key state senate and house races.

[H2O Man]

19. Me, too!

I'm glad to say that after going grocery shopping, I completed both my indoor and outdoor chores. So I am done with that.

Now, I can focus on what we need to do to survive the next four years.

[bagimin]

93. Please let us know

when you figure that out!

[YoshidaYui]

20. Sounds like a plan

I fucking. Hate Trump and his evil minions and will do my best to resist and be vigilant

[Kaleva]

23. Us younger ones will be dealing with climate change.

[Hope22]

28. Yep....and you never would believe that a good portion of us ...

….were talking about the very same thing! Earth Day, roller skating to school and spreading the word!!! 50+ f@#$&1& years ago! But go ahead and feel your feels. I know I felt mine during Covid, stuffed in the house in the days before the vaccine while partying and parades of young people didn’t even blink. I think it’s fair to say…it sucks to be human!! At this point I’m really sorry we all didn’t kick the bucket! Yep, they would still be digging holes.

[Cirsium]

45. Sure

Us younger ones didn't vote for Nixon. You younger ones swung toward Trump in a big way. Especially white males.

If you are in Kaleva, Manistee county - a important railroad junction at one time, where the Pere Marquette and the Manistee and Northeastern intersected- that county is 94% white.

Let's not get into the this generation against that generation nonsense.

[Kaleva]

80. Who's getting into nonsense?

It's a fact that life will get very hard in the next few decades. Enjoy today while one can.

[Hope22]

24. I notice their timing of these bits of joy is perfect!

They string us along to maintain a maximum high stress level. I wonder how our visit to the Capitol would be received on the 6th! I’m certain it would be less than pretty. It appears to have caved from the top down. I know Harris was giving a speech to her mega donors this week. It sure would be fun to have a report on that. I half way expect an announcement from Putin saying the transfer is complete! Everyone of importance with a note taped under their seat…a pardon for you! I too am over it! Bottom of the barrel!

[Cirsium]

55. Caved from the top down

Interesting, is it not, how everything has become inverted?

The politicians aren't expected represent us, we are supposed to represent them! We are expected to worry more about their success then they do about our survival. We can't criticize the leadership for rolling over, for being weak and ineffective, we are supposed to attack each other.

Burned out, struggling to survive, beaten down and betrayed - none of that is any excuse! We will get lectures that we are being "defeatist." Compare that to the endless list of excuses thrown around for the failures of the leadership, the ones who have all of the money and influence, the ones who aggressively control the narrative and the strategy. No, we have all kinds of excuses for them.... it was lazy voters, it was the Green Party, it was the media, it was racism, it was misogyny, it was stupidity, it was Arabic people in Dearborn... Gosh! Who could have anticipated any of that??

US politics has become all about punching down and never about punching up.The only disagreements are over exactly whom down there we should be punching.

[Hope22]

67. It's exactly like life in a dysfunctional family.

Mom and dad can’t keep it together but…it’s the kids. I hear you. Turns out the pay grade is the same, eternal cheerleader ot defeatists. I’m sick and tired of it. The least Candidate Harris could do is come out and talk to the people. There must be something she can say. At least show us that she is alive and well!

[TheKentuckian]

42. We have to cut the old guard loose, it isn't about them being bad people

or even ineptitude but that they are not geared for a war footing.

No it isn't only about age either but mentality, the ones they have been mentoring will be no better including Jefferies and Coons may as well be one of the 80 year olds.

We definitely need to stop being so enamored with incumbency especially after a few terms.

We are not agile and tend to be fighting a war or two back.

[questionseverything]

58. Of course Biden could of pushed him ,

The president’s job is to enforce the law

[634-5789]

29. I eagerly await Traitor tRump's demise.

Our Country will never recover. Never.

[Evolve Dammit]

30. Let's just face it. The "guardrails" are gone. "Good night and good Luck". EJ Morrow. We're going to need it.

[Elessar Zappa]

34. I won't "face it".

Our country has had a Civil War, Great Depression, and the awful crap that happened in the 60’s. These bastards aren’t going to destroy our country without a fight.

[Evolve Dammit]

39. Fight on for sure. The insurrectionist act will soon be activated to quell any "protest" (Putin/ Orban 101). If we have

the wherewithal to launch massive meaningful protests. Never thought I'd risk a bullet for First Amendment expression and peaceful protest but we know what they want. To silence all.

[Evolve Dammit]

77. Thank you for your conviction. I have it as well, but feel very let down by DOJ. How do you overcome that?

[Meowmee]

70. Yes

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It’s not just an election that was lost. You’ve lost your freedom and any sense of a normal government. We’re on the way to Fascism. Yes you can try to fight it here and there but the outlook is grim with everything that has happened. Whoever fights it I hope they are successful because I am also done at this point. They murdered my father, but I hope not to let them murder us as well.

So far I have not seen anybody who took this threat as seriously as it should’ve been taken at the very start, and each step of the way.

[Evolve Dammit]

74. Rachel Maddow, Joy Reid, Lawrence O'Donnell, Chris Hayes and Ali Veshi sure did. "They" will target MSNBC and PBS??

[Evolve Dammit]

75. truth

[stillcool]

31. Go local...

I think there will be things to do to help, wherever you might live.

[Mountain Mule]

35. I won't be made useless

I won't be idled by despair... Okay I may be 73 but I have downloaded the latest game plan from Indivisible and I will continue to do whatever I can in my own small way to fight for our democracy. They want us to give up and I will never give them that satisfaction.

[Jarqui]

38. I'm getting on and I don't see how I can fight back. ...nt

[peacebuzzard]

40. Hope is the last thing that dies

And I still hold out some hope that enough of our elected D congresspeople can do what they are supposed to do and vote against these weirdos and just maybe an R or more will be able to hold the line. Not all elected Rs will give up a blank check it’s frustrating to have to watch this show again but I especially pray for the orange turds demise.

[Emile]

41. When they throw justice away, what's left?

[Joinfortmill]

46. I'm with you. The inmates are running the show

[yankee87]

48. Same here

Older, can no longer drive or walk unassisted. I have very little to give, and let’s face it, we are now an oligarchy with fascism in the side.
Already have my children thinking of leaving if it gets as bad as we think.

[Iggo]

49. I just wish the "I'M DONE!" people would be quietly done.

Because it’s hard for me to tell which ones are just exasperated and need a long or permanent break, and which ones are…well…the other kind.

[Otto_Harper]

65. I'll make it easy for you to discern

In my own case, I am elderly, disabled and homebound. I require assistance for many daily activities.
I kind of thought that with 150 million or more normal people left in this country, plus a whole bunch of (D) elected officials in various positions, some sort of actions would be in place to protect this nation from the Oligarchs and their pet lunatic. Instead, crickets.

And then you have the folks like many Vloggers and lawyers out there who still don't get it. They think they will spin into action and have some court issue a Writ of Hocus Pocus when the time comes, which will fix everything.

Yeah. Right.

[New Haven]

50. Gosh --I hope the rest of us 75,000,000 Democrats don't feel that way

stay tuned for the mid terms ,the Donald will have his hands full gotta remember that politics is not a snapshot---it is a video ---keep watching ----

[claudette]

57. All the ones I know do

[claudette]

51. Me, too

I have no desire to follow the news any more because it is too upsetting. Where is the FIGHT in Democrats? I don't understand it. America is doomed. Only the rich will prosper. The rest of us will suffer because of Dumpy.

[bluestarone]

53. Justr another huge pill i had to swallow, BUT

I will swallow all they give me if i have to. Again i will fight these bastards until i cannot breath anymore. ALL for i LOVE my country, and that Statue Of Liberty in New York!!

[Asa13]

56. Rollover and die if you must

But that won't get you anywhere. Now is the time for people to fight back. To steal a right wing concept this is a time for warriors people who refuse to go quietly to the gallows. Yes I mean that literally in a way there may be physical threats to us but through history everyone that has resisted against brutal autocratic rule has known it very well may cost them their life. Anyway to the original point fight fight harder get active in local politics organize vote even if it's dangerous to. Because rolling over and dying in a whimper gives them what they want.

[2naSalit]

73. Sadly...

I feel like many of us are that woman at a protest a while back with a sign saying,

"I can't believe we still have to fight this shit."

Don't know if I'm done yet but I sure am close.

[Lunabell]

76. I'm tired.

But, not done yet. That won't happen until I stop breathing on my own or my heart quits beating. But, I understand. I've been doing this same shit for over 45 years.

I AM TIRED

[kansasobama]

78. I cannot blame you

Everyone is saying, "oh, Supreme Court said so", "oh, Constitution said so." It is almost like, "oh well, sorry." So, are we all supposed to lie down? I hope there is a resistance movement led by some major Dems waiting to spring after January 21st. This is all so unreal. No fightback, no nothing. Are Dems really not going to do anything? We really are fucked if this is true.

I hope Newsome does sow the first seeds of leaving the union. California can stand on its own and dictate to the rest of the nation. I cannot wait for Jan 21st to see if this really the end of democracy and the Democratic Party. It is hard for me to believe it is.

[moniss]

84. The way things appear now

there isn't even going to be much of an effort to do the typical election investigation of who voted how, number of ballots requested and never returned, number of ballots spoiled etc. So we will just be left with propaganda, proclamations and anything but real investigation and analysis.

[pnwmom]

85. Jack Smith had no choice, but he did the right thing by arranging it so the judge granted the dismissal

"without prejudice." Suppose Jack Smith didn't move for the dismissal. Trump's lawyers would have filed the motion right after he took office, and they would have asked for the case to be dismissed "with prejudice."

"With prejudice" would mean that even if a miracle occurs and Trump get impeached and convicted, he could never be charged again with these charges. "Without prejudice" means the DOJ would have the opportunity to press the charges again.

So let's save the criticism till we see what he and Garland do about a final report. If they don't publish a final report, we should rake them over the coals.

[Old Crank]

90. In some ways

We feel the same here in Germany.
My concerns involve SSAN and my IRA accoynts.
Hoping the money men will keep the Dumpster fire from burning down the stockmarket. I vote in a solid blue area so my reps and Senators will fight but will the GOP even listen to their voters which they will screw?

[Historic NY]

91. I'm just not going to cooperate with them

anymore. When I add up the political contributions, the return was piss poor performance. The deck is stacked.

[RicROC]

92. I feel the same. It's not simply that we lose, it's that our own Dems are letting us down.

Maybe revamp our attitude toward our young people; let's embrace their energy, since they are more pro-active (Swallwell, AOC, Frost, Crocket, et al)

Let's decide we will not support any Dem over age 55. Let's sweep out the Boomers (and I'm a Boomer)

[Trueblue Texan]

94. Weak response?

What do you want us to do, set ourselves on fire? I'm fucking hemorrhaging from a broken heart. If anything is to be done, it must be effective, otherwise we're just furthering the injuries.

[Autumn]

95. Every four years there is a presidential election. He won this election because more Americans

preferred what he offered them. That's the way it works. I despise him and his voters, I'm going to spend energy on me and the people I care about. Fuck it. This too shall pass. Or it won't.

[Callie1979]

99. I heard the same defeatism in 2016. Then 2018 happened!! And 2020.

Never quit, thats what "they" want.