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Native

(6,676 posts)
Mon Nov 25, 2024, 03:38 PM Nov 25

Mueller She Wrote nails it.

Leonard Leo, Harlan Crow, Ginni Thomas, Martha Alito, John Roberts, Sam Alito, and Clarence Thomas love it when you blame Garland and Biden for the fact that the Supreme Court stopped the cases against Trump.

https://bsky.app/profile/muellershewrote.bsky.social/post/3lbsehf5zqx2d
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Mueller She Wrote nails it. (Original Post) Native Nov 25 OP
What does President Biden have to do with it? gab13by13 Nov 25 #1
He picked Garland. Native Nov 25 #2
Yup. sheshe2 Nov 25 #8
And they're off and running again like a dog after a squirrel Hekate Nov 26 #32
What do you mean "lumping them together?" bikes and bunnies Nov 25 #22
I'm perfectly aware of all of that. I was just answering this person's question. Native Nov 25 #23
Are you joining those who "blame Biden" as the OP says? live love laugh Nov 25 #31
Welp... sheshe2 Nov 26 #34
Mueller She Wrote has been saying, "Patience, grasshopper" to us since 2021. She doesn't nail anything. Scrivener7 Nov 25 #3
You have that right. IMO republianmushroom Nov 25 #5
This. That and emptywheel have been completely discredited Mr.WeRP Nov 25 #14
Marcy Wheeler was full of shit the entire time. And incredibly arrogant and condescending about it thebigidea Nov 25 #21
Wheeler has been a libertarian darling for ages and often went after Obama hard, yet some who attacked people here Celerity Nov 26 #48
Darn, we been duped again! KPN Nov 26 #53
This message was self-deleted by its author Celerity Nov 26 #55
There was plenty of that condescension here, too. CrispyQ Nov 26 #51
Agreed! paleotn Nov 25 #24
Correct. The SCOTUS stopping the cases is an issue, but Bluetus Nov 26 #49
Garland the AG failed to prosecute and jail trump way before the corrupt SCOTUS 6 had anything to do... brush Nov 25 #4
Agree republianmushroom Nov 25 #6
The appeal would have gone to SCOTUS anyway before the prosecution was completed. In It to Win It Nov 25 #11
We don't know that. An appeal would go to circuit court from district court. The corrupt SCOTUS... brush Nov 25 #19
TBH, when it comes to furthering their warped ideology, I'd be surprised if legacy means that much. Montauk6 Nov 25 #30
Yes, you are in trouble and so is the world. arthritisR_US Nov 26 #33
Don't you mean 'we', kimosabe? brush Nov 26 #35
Sorry, I don't know what that is . arthritisR_US Nov 26 #36
Too bad you don't get the reference, but what does your post me... brush Nov 26 #37
a play off of this: Celerity Nov 26 #47
Mad magazine 90-percent Nov 26 #52
Really good point. Thank you arthritisR_US Nov 26 #38
Garland also responsible MadameButterfly Nov 26 #41
Yup Fiendish Thingy Nov 25 #7
Not THE villain but A villain in the story JT45242 Nov 25 #20
Chaimberland quote 90-percent Nov 26 #39
I think the equivalent would be MadameButterfly Nov 26 #42
Maybe he isn't the "bad guy" but he's a very big "red herring" FakeNoose Nov 25 #27
While Brasil has indicted Bolsonaro MadameButterfly Nov 26 #43
Mueller She Wrote continues to be another resistance grifter Blue_Adept Nov 25 #9
Perhaps, but the timeline was for the trial to start in March. It would have gone down had the whole immunity thing not Native Nov 25 #12
Immune for official acts. Is insurrection and swiping classified documents an official act? paleotn Nov 25 #26
That's why he shouldn't have waited around for 2 years MadameButterfly Nov 26 #44
Yep! A wolf in sheep's clothing. KPN Nov 26 #54
Thank you! mcar Nov 25 #10
Who is garlands best friend? You listed him above. onecaliberal Nov 25 #13
Garland was chosen by Obama for SCOTUS because MadameButterfly Nov 26 #45
That's rich coming from the folks who said Garland was on top of Trump's prosecution Mr.WeRP Nov 25 #15
MUELLER? SMDH Ponietz Nov 25 #16
Real Vast Right-Wing Conspiracy czarjak Nov 25 #17
This is wrong--Biden did screw up kiri Nov 25 #18
Horse hockey! paleotn Nov 25 #25
Sadly true, but Godot51 Nov 25 #28
& Corrupt Cannon. Cha Nov 25 #29
Merry Fitzmas? Not this year. HootieMcBoob Nov 26 #40
so true! Native Nov 26 #46
I guess this is what we should expect from somebody who thinks Mueller did heroic service Bluetus Nov 26 #50

Native

(6,676 posts)
2. He picked Garland.
Mon Nov 25, 2024, 03:44 PM
Nov 25

I can't tell you how many times I've seen people lumping them together whenever they're ranting about Garland.

 
22. What do you mean "lumping them together?"
Mon Nov 25, 2024, 05:53 PM
Nov 25

Garland was literally Biden's first and only choice for AG.
Isn't he therefore responsible for Garland's shortcomings?

What happened to "The Buck Stops Here?"

I voted for Biden. I would have voted for him again.
That doesn't mean I'm going to throw my critical thinking skills out the window.

Another fuck up: Not getting rid of DeJoy.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, "he couldn't have fired him directly." Got it.
But he could have been more aggressive in choosing postal board members who would have fired him.

sheshe2

(88,153 posts)
34. Welp...
Tue Nov 26, 2024, 12:30 AM
Nov 26
Who has authority over the Postmaster General?
The U.S. Postal Service Board of Governors has sole authority to hire and fire the postmaster general, the highest position in the organization. Though pressure mounts from Democrats and watchdogs to remove DeJoy from his seat at the top of the agency, Biden lacks the power to do so.
Most decisions are settled by majority vote, and at least six members must be present for a quorum. There are nine governors in total. Both the Postmaster General and Deputy Postmaster General are voting members of the board, though they they are barred from voting on certain issues like pricing.

No more than five of the nine governors may be from the same party.

Removing the Postmaster General requires an absolute majority vote of the governors in office.


https://www.federaltimes.com/federal-oversight/2022/08/24/can-biden-fire-us-postmaster-general-louis-dejoy/

Scrivener7

(53,202 posts)
3. Mueller She Wrote has been saying, "Patience, grasshopper" to us since 2021. She doesn't nail anything.
Mon Nov 25, 2024, 03:45 PM
Nov 25

thebigidea

(13,323 posts)
21. Marcy Wheeler was full of shit the entire time. And incredibly arrogant and condescending about it
Mon Nov 25, 2024, 05:43 PM
Nov 25

Any comment that had the SLIGHTEST difference of opinion, no matter how polite or well-argued, would get slammed mercilessly. Or just deleted. I'm never going back to that blog and wasting time on the ramblings of an overseas blogger with ZERO relevant legal experience.

Celerity

(46,866 posts)
48. Wheeler has been a libertarian darling for ages and often went after Obama hard, yet some who attacked people here
Tue Nov 26, 2024, 08:18 AM
Nov 26

on DU for not joining her fan club and/or calling out flaws with her also used association pathways to have a go at people they did not like.

Typical 'it is ok for me to do it, but others cannot do it to my sacred cow' gambits.



https://libertarianinstitute.org/author/marcy-wheeler/

https://theintercept.com/staff/marcy-wheeler/



https://newrepublic.com/article/135933/limits-obamas-drone-war-really



https://scotthorton.org/



https://www.antiwar.com/blog/author/marcy_wheeler/



https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/dec/16/obama-nsa-review-group-whitewash

Response to KPN (Reply #53)

CrispyQ

(38,590 posts)
51. There was plenty of that condescension here, too.
Tue Nov 26, 2024, 09:22 AM
Nov 26

Lots of long cut-and-paste answers, or rather scolding's, to anyone who dared criticize Garland.

paleotn

(19,532 posts)
24. Agreed!
Mon Nov 25, 2024, 06:15 PM
Nov 25

Had Garland done his goddamn job, they'd be figuring out how to incarcerate the orange bastard instead of him running for president again. Garland dithered, now Rome burns.

Bluetus

(298 posts)
49. Correct. The SCOTUS stopping the cases is an issue, but
Tue Nov 26, 2024, 09:10 AM
Nov 26

Garland taking two years and enormous public pressure to START the cases was unforgivable. We knew the SCOTUS-6 were in the tank for Trump. We didn't expect Biden to appoint an AG that would also be in the tank for Trump.

brush

(58,042 posts)
4. Garland the AG failed to prosecute and jail trump way before the corrupt SCOTUS 6 had anything to do...
Mon Nov 25, 2024, 03:46 PM
Nov 25

with the insurrection and giving trump immunity. As for Joe Biden, he has indicated that appointing Garland was a mistake.

In It to Win It

(9,766 posts)
11. The appeal would have gone to SCOTUS anyway before the prosecution was completed.
Mon Nov 25, 2024, 04:25 PM
Nov 25

SCOTUS still would have sat on it and held it up no matter when they got it.

brush

(58,042 posts)
19. We don't know that. An appeal would go to circuit court from district court. The corrupt SCOTUS...
Mon Nov 25, 2024, 05:38 PM
Nov 25

their bias towards trump would be clearly evident if they overstepped the circuit court which could hardly go against the evidence of trump's guilt we all saw on TV.

Roberts himself, with his court/legacy already permeated with public corruption rumors...Thomas, Kavanaugh, Alito, Gorsuch, would certainly have hesitated to dispute the circuit court's ruling.

There's enough blame to go around, starting with Garland. We've got an authoritative regime staring us in the face and coming to power soon.

Montauk6

(8,768 posts)
30. TBH, when it comes to furthering their warped ideology, I'd be surprised if legacy means that much.
Mon Nov 25, 2024, 06:41 PM
Nov 25

JT45242

(2,994 posts)
20. Not THE villain but A villain in the story
Mon Nov 25, 2024, 05:41 PM
Nov 25

Whether he be considered a lackey, a timid failure, or something else by later historians...

He is a villain in the story of THE VILLAIN, trump -- in much the same way that Chamberlain is A VILLAIN in the story of WW2

90-percent

(6,909 posts)
39. Chaimberland quote
Tue Nov 26, 2024, 05:28 AM
Nov 26

TFG is giving America "dictatorship in our time", More history that rhymes.

-90% jimmy

MadameButterfly

(1,953 posts)
42. I think the equivalent would be
Tue Nov 26, 2024, 07:06 AM
Nov 26

Garland is giving America dictatorship in our time
or maybe "impartiality" in our time (which back-fired just like Chamberlain's peace)

FakeNoose

(36,011 posts)
27. Maybe he isn't the "bad guy" but he's a very big "red herring"
Mon Nov 25, 2024, 06:25 PM
Nov 25

We all spent lot of time waiting for something to happen at DoJ.

Native

(6,676 posts)
12. Perhaps, but the timeline was for the trial to start in March. It would have gone down had the whole immunity thing not
Mon Nov 25, 2024, 04:36 PM
Nov 25

happened. And we know who we have to thank for that.

paleotn

(19,532 posts)
26. Immune for official acts. Is insurrection and swiping classified documents an official act?
Mon Nov 25, 2024, 06:23 PM
Nov 25

MadameButterfly

(1,953 posts)
44. That's why he shouldn't have waited around for 2 years
Tue Nov 26, 2024, 07:11 AM
Nov 26

The immunity thing was a delay but not an end to the case. The election is what ended it.

KPN

(16,167 posts)
54. Yep! A wolf in sheep's clothing.
Tue Nov 26, 2024, 12:21 PM
Nov 26

There is growing distrust of what seemed like highly trusted sources and opinion leaders -- especially among the younger ranks as a result of this election. A lot of it extends to the Democratic Party as a whole.

Words are just words. It's action and/or lack of real action that ultimately count.

Seems to me like our party better be open to a massive make-over -- that is, if it's not already too late.

This is just a feeling I have based on what I hear from my kids, nieces, nephews, their spouses and friends since November 5.

My fear is that entrenched leadership will either continue to pay lip service or paint the disgruntled and restless as "populists".

onecaliberal

(36,332 posts)
13. Who is garlands best friend? You listed him above.
Mon Nov 25, 2024, 04:38 PM
Nov 25

Garland protected Trump and the other republicans in Congress. Period.

MadameButterfly

(1,953 posts)
45. Garland was chosen by Obama for SCOTUS because
Tue Nov 26, 2024, 07:13 AM
Nov 26

he thought a Republican Senate would confirm him. Biden didn't have to make the same compromise.

Mr.WeRP

(661 posts)
15. That's rich coming from the folks who said Garland was on top of Trump's prosecution
Mon Nov 25, 2024, 04:50 PM
Nov 25

Them and emptwheel have proven they know nothing.

czarjak

(12,530 posts)
17. Real Vast Right-Wing Conspiracy
Mon Nov 25, 2024, 05:18 PM
Nov 25

Clinton's correct. Again! Dems aren't perfect. Repugs are what they are. The Party Of The Rich. Period.

kiri

(897 posts)
18. This is wrong--Biden did screw up
Mon Nov 25, 2024, 05:33 PM
Nov 25

Biden/Garland were in potent offices, had power and authority and resources. Backed by the people.
Leo et al. did not.

The Garland failure was monumental. Leo et al. simply took advantage of the opportunity Biden gave them, gift-wrapped.

paleotn

(19,532 posts)
25. Horse hockey!
Mon Nov 25, 2024, 06:21 PM
Nov 25

Garland should have gone after Trump in 2021. Had he done so, the cases would be over before we got into the 2024 election. And we'd now know that insurrection isn't a goddamn "official act" as president, so scratch the SCOTUS bit. Garland dithered, now Rome burns.

Godot51

(311 posts)
28. Sadly true, but
Mon Nov 25, 2024, 06:25 PM
Nov 25

When the deck is stacked against you in a game of chance one can fold their hand, accept the loss and play on, or leave the table and the game.

Leaving the game is basically what Garland Mueller did in a game that was not a game of chance. It was a game for the rights of the people against a future fascism.

Real life is not a game. If he had been a good, righteous man, he should have slogged on against the odds. His job was "justice". He failed at this.

He shares a great deal of the responsibility since he folded in the face of difficult odds and basically gave up the game. Both moves were nothing but bad.

I'd say he left the game when he shouldn't have.

Bluetus

(298 posts)
50. I guess this is what we should expect from somebody who thinks Mueller did heroic service
Tue Nov 26, 2024, 09:13 AM
Nov 26

If it were me, I'd stop linking my own persona to Mueller. It is like wearing a T-Shirt that says "I am the most gullible person in the universe".

Not a good look for a person who wants to be taken seriously as some kind of pundit.

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