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highplainsdem

(52,839 posts)
Thu Nov 28, 2024, 07:15 PM Nov 28

Robert Reich: Remember: If we allow ourselves to fall into fatalism, or wallow in disappointment, or become resigned to

what is rather than what should be, we will lose the long game.

The greatest enemy of positive social change is cynicism about what can be changed.


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Robert Reich: Remember: If we allow ourselves to fall into fatalism, or wallow in disappointment, or become resigned to (Original Post) highplainsdem Nov 28 OP
. Sector 001 Nov 28 #1
I won't but I also won't pretend certain things to be true when they are not JI7 Nov 28 #2
Yes it was bigotry kansasobama Nov 28 #4
All of that can be true at once. Elessar Zappa Nov 28 #9
I absolutely agree. ShazzieB Nov 28 #12
Yes-I am saying please support MSNBC kansasobama Nov 28 #3
They have to sweep JustAnotherGen Nov 28 #8
Get rid of joe and put in any or all of the following BonnieJW Nov 28 #15
No on Rule JustAnotherGen Nov 28 #16
I agree! Silver Gaia Nov 28 #13
I totally Agree... and at times it's not Cha Nov 28 #5
We just lost the long game. BlueTsunami2018 Nov 28 #6
All of humanity just lost the long game. ananda Nov 28 #11
It would help JustAnotherGen Nov 28 #7
His chaos works on most. Just look at many posts here screaming about what he posts etc. nini Nov 28 #10
We will not give up the faith, no matter how dark it looks. Martin68 Nov 28 #14
Yes Robert but remember that moniss Nov 29 #17
Reich is a real good guy. Because of his grasp of economics Mike 03 Nov 29 #18

JI7

(90,895 posts)
2. I won't but I also won't pretend certain things to be true when they are not
Thu Nov 28, 2024, 07:31 PM
Nov 28

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Some examples being that it was economic anxiety and not bigotry. Or that it was concern for Palestinians and not bigot

Elessar Zappa

(16,082 posts)
9. All of that can be true at once.
Thu Nov 28, 2024, 08:27 PM
Nov 28

Make no mistake that there were people who voted for Trump due to the sole reason of grocery prices and rent. As were there people who wouldn’t vote for a woman or a black person.

ShazzieB

(18,925 posts)
12. I absolutely agree.
Thu Nov 28, 2024, 09:22 PM
Nov 28

Trying to boil very complex matters down into black and white oversimplifications rarely leads to sound results.

JustAnotherGen

(33,833 posts)
16. No on Rule
Thu Nov 28, 2024, 10:18 PM
Nov 28

Her arrogance to Eddie Glaude who told the truth on election night?

No.

I'd rather see Steele, Sanders, and Menendez in that spot.

Cha

(305,861 posts)
5. I totally Agree... and at times it's not
Thu Nov 28, 2024, 07:39 PM
Nov 28

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easy but I'm Determined.

TY & Robert Reich.

ananda

(30,939 posts)
11. All of humanity just lost the long game.
Thu Nov 28, 2024, 09:21 PM
Nov 28

We were going to lose it anyway, due to climate change,
but now it will be sooner rather than later.

JustAnotherGen

(33,833 posts)
7. It would help
Thu Nov 28, 2024, 08:25 PM
Nov 28

If Schumer and Jeffries would knock it off with the conciliatory tone.

I'm perfectly fine with every single Democrat voting no on every single thing for the next two years.

Let the Magats destroy it on their own.

nini

(16,741 posts)
10. His chaos works on most. Just look at many posts here screaming about what he posts etc.
Thu Nov 28, 2024, 08:29 PM
Nov 28

Last edited Thu Nov 28, 2024, 09:16 PM - Edit history (1)

Until people tune that out, see it for what it is, and not take the bait, we’ll never get focused.




moniss

(6,151 posts)
17. Yes Robert but remember that
Fri Nov 29, 2024, 04:40 AM
Nov 29

all of what you said isn't going to help the mom, dad etc. that in the very near future is going to have a gun in their face and be rapidly deported. What you say is for a general outlook for moving forward. A great many people are f**ked between Inauguration Day and whenever in the future we can regain control. If we can regain it. It is a complete uncertainty how much they will change the legal/election process scenario in order to prevent the Democratic Party from regaining control. That is not cynical it is being real.

It is being real to recognize that the GQP has for decades sought to and has passed legislation and changes to election/registration process specifically targeted at suppressing Democratic registrations, manner of voting, polling locations and ballots as cast. They have show it to very successful in some areas. It is likely they will keep doing it in new ways also.


Robert we understand what you're saying and appreciate it but "change" is a process. Crisis is where we are now and while I agree completely that resignation to "fate" is not going to bring change the ones who are going to be some of the first immediately suffering major harm will need as much immediate concern as we can muster. We need to save and protect them as much as we can while we work for the change that will accept them and not persecute them.

Regarding the immediate need for action and for future change I challenge those of means and reputation all over the country and the world to also not forget that nothing prevents them from laying it on the line and taking part in civil disobedience and resistance while also cheering for change. We need everyone into the breach. Am I being cynical when I say I know that most will not go and put themselves into the civil actions that work to obstruct and deny the authoritarians? No because it is being a realist to acknowledge that fact, openly discuss it and plan accordingly. I know some, as you have Robert, will take part in protests.

The bottom line is that while decrying "wallowing in disapopointment" and cheering on "positive social change" there is a war going on and fighting it to greatest effect requires being real about where we really and what is going to happen. We need to be sure that we don't mistake that necessary realism for "resignation" or "cynism".

In the end will we get a large number of high profile people from around the world and specifically in the US to take the swing of the baton and arrest by putting themselves in actual live civil disobedience actions? Are the ones who don't not also to be recognized as being of use in a resistance? Of course they can be of use in other ways. Robert we also need to recognize that the open expressions of cynicism, disappointment and even resignation are all things that we can use in the presentation and conduct of the resistance. For example we have to not only highlight the evil acts of the authoritarians but also the negative effects of indifference etc. So those who "go along" or stand idly by are in fact necessary to use in showing what not fighting back looks like. For example the way to present a campaign against bigotry is to show not only the bigoted act but to also include in the picture the ones who are indifferent. In that way one hopes to portray the negative appearance that gives to such a person and by doing so a campaigner for change hopes to have people embrace being better than that. You show people the disease and give them avenues to be better. So we realize that we need to show the progression and effects of the disease and tie that to the very real portrayal of those who "accept" the disease and don't go for treatment so that people viewing the entire matter can be spurred to not be bystanders while something needs to be done. As much as we don't like them they are necessary as proof of the negative so it can be portrayed and not just be claimed as hypothetical.

Robert it's great to see you on Bluesky but I encourage you to leave X immediately and as the saying goes "be the change".

Mike 03

(17,379 posts)
18. Reich is a real good guy. Because of his grasp of economics
Fri Nov 29, 2024, 05:49 AM
Nov 29

he'd be a good person to reshape the DNC, if they decide to make changes going forward. Reich, Rev William Barber, Matthew Desmond. I'm agnostic but these guys, plus Thom Hartmann and Chris Murphy, are all saying we need to directly take fire at neoliberalism even if it means making enemies of some corporate donors.

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