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dalton99a

(85,172 posts)
Sun Dec 1, 2024, 07:48 PM Dec 1

Hope Joe doesn't forget other people in Trump's crosshairs

People who worked on the impeachments, the J6 committee, and the criminal cases

The country owes them a debt of gratitude

Give them a pardon

They shouldn't be bankrupt by legal fees or worse


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Hope Joe doesn't forget other people in Trump's crosshairs (Original Post) dalton99a Dec 1 OP
Doesn't a pardon deRien Dec 1 #1
Right. They haven't legally done anything wrong. GPV Dec 1 #2
That's why Gov. Don Siegelman didn't seek a pardon. no_hypocrisy Dec 1 #3
No it does not. Hassin Bin Sober Dec 1 #5
Yes, many more are needed Meowmee Dec 1 #4
anyone on federal death row WhiskeyGrinder Dec 1 #6
+1. At least commute and empty the federal death row dalton99a Dec 1 #8
I don't believe he can preemptively pardon anyone not convicted of a federal crime and state convictions wcmagumba Dec 1 #7

no_hypocrisy

(49,451 posts)
3. That's why Gov. Don Siegelman didn't seek a pardon.
Sun Dec 1, 2024, 07:59 PM
Dec 1

He's consistently maintained his innocence. He was a target of Karl Rove, Leura Canary, and Bob Reilly. Siegelman denied that he committed fraud/bribery.

Hassin Bin Sober

(26,812 posts)
5. No it does not.
Sun Dec 1, 2024, 08:09 PM
Dec 1

That case often cited is Burdick wherein the opinion mentions accepting a pardon could be an imputation of guilt. It was not part of the ruling meant as precedent - it was so called “dictum” or mentioned as an example.

In fact, an appeals court recently ruled Burdick shouldn’t be used as precedent for that reason:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burdick_v._United_States#:~:text=Although%20the%20Supreme%20Court's%20opinion,by%20the%20recipient%20is%20disputed

Although the Supreme Court's opinion stated that a pardon carries "an imputation of guilt and acceptance of a confession of it,"[1] this was part of the Court's dictum for the case.[3] Whether the acceptance of a pardon constitutes an admission of guilt by the recipient is disputed. In Lorance v. Commandant, USDB (2021) the 10th Circuit Court of Appeals ruled that "there is no confession and Lorance does not otherwise lose his right to petition for habeas corpus relief for his court-martial conviction and sentence. The case was remanded for further action not inconsistent with the court’s opinion."[4]

wcmagumba

(3,297 posts)
7. I don't believe he can preemptively pardon anyone not convicted of a federal crime and state convictions
Sun Dec 1, 2024, 08:29 PM
Dec 1

can't be pardoned by a President...

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