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Cuthbert Allgood

(5,202 posts)
Sun Dec 1, 2024, 09:20 PM Dec 1

Biden really needs to pardon Leonard Peltier

He's going to die in prison for a crime he was framed for. It pisses me off a LOT that no Democratic President has pardoned him. Or at least granted him clemency.

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Biden really needs to pardon Leonard Peltier (Original Post) Cuthbert Allgood Dec 1 OP
Yes, yes, yes! Lunabell Dec 1 #1
You make a good point, but I think he'd take it at this point. Cuthbert Allgood Dec 1 #4
It's long overdue montanacowboy Dec 1 #2
It would be a horrible day if he dies in prison. Cuthbert Allgood Dec 1 #5
THIS. Maru Kitteh Dec 1 #3
I don't see that ever happening. madaboutharry Dec 1 #6
I've hoped every D Pres since Clinton would. Cuthbert Allgood Dec 1 #7
Maybe you should write to President Biden about it? Jack Valentino Dec 1 #16
He's 80 years old now..I hope Biden does it Deuxcents Dec 1 #8
Bet Biden staff will look at it. Doubt Biden will pardon someone if FBI reports are counter. On other hand, Silent Type Dec 1 #9
The FBI reports are a joke. Cuthbert Allgood Dec 1 #11
Kick dalton99a Dec 1 #10
DURec leftstreet Dec 1 #12
Yes yes yes Easterncedar Dec 1 #13
Framed? EX500rider Dec 1 #14
He said he was in the shootout. He didn't say he killed anyone. Cuthbert Allgood Dec 1 #19
And Nelson Mandela and the Dalai Lama and... progressoid Dec 1 #21
So you're saying he tried to kill the cop but missed that's his story EX500rider Dec 2 #23
And for that he deserves to die in prison? Really? Wiz Imp Dec 2 #28
yet successive US Democratic presidents after reviewing the evidence have said no, I'll trust them EX500rider Dec 2 #32
It's a hot button issue. Cuthbert Allgood Dec 2 #35
You're on the wrong side of this. Cuthbert Allgood Dec 2 #31
I agree.... and there's no political downside to it-- just a PLUS Jack Valentino Dec 1 #15
He did admit to participating in the shootout but has always denied killing anyone. Deuxcents Dec 1 #17
Even if he DID kill anyone, he's served most of his life already. Jack Valentino Dec 1 #18
Agreed ColinC Dec 1 #20
TOTALLY Agree!!! nt Raine Dec 1 #22
No pardon, but he could grant clemency or commute his sentence to time served Prairie Gates Dec 2 #24
K&R nt Rob H. Dec 2 #25
K&R Think. Again. Dec 2 #26
YES! ismnotwasm Dec 2 #27
Agreed Blappy Dec 2 #29
No Botany Dec 2 #30
Nope. nt LexVegas Dec 2 #33
Both Clinton and Obama could have done this, too. al bupp Dec 2 #34

Cuthbert Allgood

(5,202 posts)
4. You make a good point, but I think he'd take it at this point.
Sun Dec 1, 2024, 09:24 PM
Dec 1

Biden could also grant clemency and let him out of jail.

Cuthbert Allgood

(5,202 posts)
5. It would be a horrible day if he dies in prison.
Sun Dec 1, 2024, 09:25 PM
Dec 1

Not that every day he has spent in prison hasn't been horrible, but give him his freedom.

Cuthbert Allgood

(5,202 posts)
7. I've hoped every D Pres since Clinton would.
Sun Dec 1, 2024, 09:32 PM
Dec 1

Every time they've let me down. I'm sure this run will be no different.

Jack Valentino

(1,601 posts)
16. Maybe you should write to President Biden about it?
Sun Dec 1, 2024, 10:16 PM
Dec 1

I should myself--- but I think you know more about it than I do.

Still.... I think I'll send him an email.

Silent Type

(7,813 posts)
9. Bet Biden staff will look at it. Doubt Biden will pardon someone if FBI reports are counter. On other hand,
Sun Dec 1, 2024, 09:46 PM
Dec 1

he'll be fair.

Cuthbert Allgood

(5,202 posts)
11. The FBI reports are a joke.
Sun Dec 1, 2024, 09:50 PM
Dec 1

He was framed. Amnesty International has been trying for years to at least get him clemency.

The only fair outcome to this is that Peltier is released from prison.

EX500rider

(11,683 posts)
14. Framed?
Sun Dec 1, 2024, 10:12 PM
Dec 1

Last edited Mon Dec 2, 2024, 01:54 PM - Edit history (1)

He literally admitted to participating in the shootout in his memoir.

At the time of the murder of the 2 FBI Agents Peltier had an outstanding federal warrant for attempted murder of a Milwaukee WI police officer.

Norman Charles fired at the agents with a stolen British .308 rifle, Peltier had an AR-15 rifle, in total, 125 bullet holes were found in the agents' vehicles, many from a .223 Remington AR-15 rifle.

On September 9, 1975, Peltier purchased a station wagon, the following day, AIM member Robideau, Norman Charles, and Michael Anderson were injured in the accidental explosion of ammunition from Peltier's station wagon on the Kansas Turnpike close to Wichita. Agent Coler's .308 rifle and an AR-15 rifle were found in the burned vehicle.

The FBI forwarded a description of a recreational vehicle (RV) and the Plymouth station wagon (recently purchased by Peltier) to law enforcement during the hunt for the suspects. The RV was stopped by an Oregon State Trooper, but the driver, later discovered to be Peltier, fled on foot after a small shootout. Peltier's thumbprint and Agent Coler's handgun were discovered under the RV's front seat.

Cuthbert Allgood

(5,202 posts)
19. He said he was in the shootout. He didn't say he killed anyone.
Sun Dec 1, 2024, 10:29 PM
Dec 1

The evidence against his as presented at trial was junk. The ACLU, Amnesty International, and Human Rights Watch (among others) also disagree with you.

EX500rider

(11,683 posts)
23. So you're saying he tried to kill the cop but missed that's his story
Mon Dec 2, 2024, 09:14 AM
Dec 2

And he tried to kill another cop before that?

And he tried to kill another cop when they finally arrested him?

Yeah he sounds totally innocent...

Wiz Imp

(3,017 posts)
28. And for that he deserves to die in prison? Really?
Mon Dec 2, 2024, 11:10 AM
Dec 2

He has already served almost 50 years. No one ever claimed he was totally innocent, but given that his request for clemency has been supported by Nelson Mandela, Archbishop Desmond Tutu, the Dalai Lama, Mother Teresa, the Office of the United Nations High Commissioner on Human Rights, the United Nations Working Group on Indigenous Populations, the International Federation for Human Rights, and Amnesty International amongst many others to try to argue he hasn't served a fair sentence for his crimes is ridiculous.

EX500rider

(11,683 posts)
32. yet successive US Democratic presidents after reviewing the evidence have said no, I'll trust them
Mon Dec 2, 2024, 01:53 PM
Dec 2

Cuthbert Allgood

(5,202 posts)
35. It's a hot button issue.
Mon Dec 2, 2024, 06:00 PM
Dec 2

And it would piss off the FBI. But read about it and there is little doubt his trial was a sham. This is an injustice and they organization trying to right instructions is on his side.

That people celebrate Hunter's pardon but aren't upset Peltier is in prison is disheartening. Because Hunter did what they tried him for. Bullshit that they tried him and not others, but he did it. There is very little too actually no evidence Peltier did what he was found guilty of.

Cuthbert Allgood

(5,202 posts)
31. You're on the wrong side of this.
Mon Dec 2, 2024, 01:43 PM
Dec 2

Research who is on the side of him getting out. His trial was a travesty. He doesn't deserve to die in jail.

Jack Valentino

(1,601 posts)
18. Even if he DID kill anyone, he's served most of his life already.
Sun Dec 1, 2024, 10:21 PM
Dec 1

With all the questions about the case, it would be just to release him at this time...

perhaps justice delayed

Prairie Gates

(3,780 posts)
24. No pardon, but he could grant clemency or commute his sentence to time served
Mon Dec 2, 2024, 09:18 AM
Dec 2

Would piss off the FBI, but, really, who cares?

Nothing matters anymore.

al bupp

(2,390 posts)
34. Both Clinton and Obama could have done this, too.
Mon Dec 2, 2024, 05:00 PM
Dec 2

Read "In the Spirit of Crazy Horse" by Peter Matthiessen for the real story behind what happened and how Leonard Peltier was singled out as a powerful indigenous leader and railroaded by the FBI and the U.S. "Justice" system with fabricated "evidence".

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