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Cuthbert Allgood

(5,219 posts)
Sun Dec 1, 2024, 10:20 PM Dec 2024

Biden really needs to pardon Leonard Peltier

He's going to die in prison for a crime he was framed for. It pisses me off a LOT that no Democratic President has pardoned him. Or at least granted him clemency.

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Biden really needs to pardon Leonard Peltier (Original Post) Cuthbert Allgood Dec 2024 OP
Yes, yes, yes! Lunabell Dec 2024 #1
You make a good point, but I think he'd take it at this point. Cuthbert Allgood Dec 2024 #4
It's long overdue montanacowboy Dec 2024 #2
It would be a horrible day if he dies in prison. Cuthbert Allgood Dec 2024 #5
THIS. Maru Kitteh Dec 2024 #3
I don't see that ever happening. madaboutharry Dec 2024 #6
I've hoped every D Pres since Clinton would. Cuthbert Allgood Dec 2024 #7
Maybe you should write to President Biden about it? Jack Valentino Dec 2024 #16
He's 80 years old now..I hope Biden does it Deuxcents Dec 2024 #8
Bet Biden staff will look at it. Doubt Biden will pardon someone if FBI reports are counter. On other hand, Silent Type Dec 2024 #9
The FBI reports are a joke. Cuthbert Allgood Dec 2024 #11
Kick dalton99a Dec 2024 #10
DURec leftstreet Dec 2024 #12
Yes yes yes Easterncedar Dec 2024 #13
Framed? EX500rider Dec 2024 #14
He said he was in the shootout. He didn't say he killed anyone. Cuthbert Allgood Dec 2024 #19
And Nelson Mandela and the Dalai Lama and... progressoid Dec 2024 #21
So you're saying he tried to kill the cop but missed that's his story EX500rider Dec 2024 #23
And for that he deserves to die in prison? Really? Wiz Imp Dec 2024 #28
yet successive US Democratic presidents after reviewing the evidence have said no, I'll trust them EX500rider Dec 2024 #32
It's a hot button issue. Cuthbert Allgood Dec 2024 #35
You're on the wrong side of this. Cuthbert Allgood Dec 2024 #31
I agree.... and there's no political downside to it-- just a PLUS Jack Valentino Dec 2024 #15
He did admit to participating in the shootout but has always denied killing anyone. Deuxcents Dec 2024 #17
Even if he DID kill anyone, he's served most of his life already. Jack Valentino Dec 2024 #18
Agreed ColinC Dec 2024 #20
TOTALLY Agree!!! nt Raine Dec 2024 #22
No pardon, but he could grant clemency or commute his sentence to time served Prairie Gates Dec 2024 #24
K&R nt Rob H. Dec 2024 #25
K&R Think. Again. Dec 2024 #26
YES! ismnotwasm Dec 2024 #27
Agreed Blappy Dec 2024 #29
No Botany Dec 2024 #30
Nope. nt LexVegas Dec 2024 #33
Both Clinton and Obama could have done this, too. al bupp Dec 2024 #34

Cuthbert Allgood

(5,219 posts)
4. You make a good point, but I think he'd take it at this point.
Sun Dec 1, 2024, 10:24 PM
Dec 2024

Biden could also grant clemency and let him out of jail.

Cuthbert Allgood

(5,219 posts)
5. It would be a horrible day if he dies in prison.
Sun Dec 1, 2024, 10:25 PM
Dec 2024

Not that every day he has spent in prison hasn't been horrible, but give him his freedom.

Cuthbert Allgood

(5,219 posts)
7. I've hoped every D Pres since Clinton would.
Sun Dec 1, 2024, 10:32 PM
Dec 2024

Every time they've let me down. I'm sure this run will be no different.

Jack Valentino

(1,793 posts)
16. Maybe you should write to President Biden about it?
Sun Dec 1, 2024, 11:16 PM
Dec 2024

I should myself--- but I think you know more about it than I do.

Still.... I think I'll send him an email.

Silent Type

(8,920 posts)
9. Bet Biden staff will look at it. Doubt Biden will pardon someone if FBI reports are counter. On other hand,
Sun Dec 1, 2024, 10:46 PM
Dec 2024

he'll be fair.

Cuthbert Allgood

(5,219 posts)
11. The FBI reports are a joke.
Sun Dec 1, 2024, 10:50 PM
Dec 2024

He was framed. Amnesty International has been trying for years to at least get him clemency.

The only fair outcome to this is that Peltier is released from prison.

EX500rider

(11,771 posts)
14. Framed?
Sun Dec 1, 2024, 11:12 PM
Dec 2024

Last edited Mon Dec 2, 2024, 02:54 PM - Edit history (1)

He literally admitted to participating in the shootout in his memoir.

At the time of the murder of the 2 FBI Agents Peltier had an outstanding federal warrant for attempted murder of a Milwaukee WI police officer.

Norman Charles fired at the agents with a stolen British .308 rifle, Peltier had an AR-15 rifle, in total, 125 bullet holes were found in the agents' vehicles, many from a .223 Remington AR-15 rifle.

On September 9, 1975, Peltier purchased a station wagon, the following day, AIM member Robideau, Norman Charles, and Michael Anderson were injured in the accidental explosion of ammunition from Peltier's station wagon on the Kansas Turnpike close to Wichita. Agent Coler's .308 rifle and an AR-15 rifle were found in the burned vehicle.

The FBI forwarded a description of a recreational vehicle (RV) and the Plymouth station wagon (recently purchased by Peltier) to law enforcement during the hunt for the suspects. The RV was stopped by an Oregon State Trooper, but the driver, later discovered to be Peltier, fled on foot after a small shootout. Peltier's thumbprint and Agent Coler's handgun were discovered under the RV's front seat.

Cuthbert Allgood

(5,219 posts)
19. He said he was in the shootout. He didn't say he killed anyone.
Sun Dec 1, 2024, 11:29 PM
Dec 2024

The evidence against his as presented at trial was junk. The ACLU, Amnesty International, and Human Rights Watch (among others) also disagree with you.

EX500rider

(11,771 posts)
23. So you're saying he tried to kill the cop but missed that's his story
Mon Dec 2, 2024, 10:14 AM
Dec 2024

And he tried to kill another cop before that?

And he tried to kill another cop when they finally arrested him?

Yeah he sounds totally innocent...

Wiz Imp

(4,642 posts)
28. And for that he deserves to die in prison? Really?
Mon Dec 2, 2024, 12:10 PM
Dec 2024

He has already served almost 50 years. No one ever claimed he was totally innocent, but given that his request for clemency has been supported by Nelson Mandela, Archbishop Desmond Tutu, the Dalai Lama, Mother Teresa, the Office of the United Nations High Commissioner on Human Rights, the United Nations Working Group on Indigenous Populations, the International Federation for Human Rights, and Amnesty International amongst many others to try to argue he hasn't served a fair sentence for his crimes is ridiculous.

EX500rider

(11,771 posts)
32. yet successive US Democratic presidents after reviewing the evidence have said no, I'll trust them
Mon Dec 2, 2024, 02:53 PM
Dec 2024

Cuthbert Allgood

(5,219 posts)
35. It's a hot button issue.
Mon Dec 2, 2024, 07:00 PM
Dec 2024

And it would piss off the FBI. But read about it and there is little doubt his trial was a sham. This is an injustice and they organization trying to right instructions is on his side.

That people celebrate Hunter's pardon but aren't upset Peltier is in prison is disheartening. Because Hunter did what they tried him for. Bullshit that they tried him and not others, but he did it. There is very little too actually no evidence Peltier did what he was found guilty of.

Cuthbert Allgood

(5,219 posts)
31. You're on the wrong side of this.
Mon Dec 2, 2024, 02:43 PM
Dec 2024

Research who is on the side of him getting out. His trial was a travesty. He doesn't deserve to die in jail.

Jack Valentino

(1,793 posts)
18. Even if he DID kill anyone, he's served most of his life already.
Sun Dec 1, 2024, 11:21 PM
Dec 2024

With all the questions about the case, it would be just to release him at this time...

perhaps justice delayed

Prairie Gates

(4,764 posts)
24. No pardon, but he could grant clemency or commute his sentence to time served
Mon Dec 2, 2024, 10:18 AM
Dec 2024

Would piss off the FBI, but, really, who cares?

Nothing matters anymore.

al bupp

(2,440 posts)
34. Both Clinton and Obama could have done this, too.
Mon Dec 2, 2024, 06:00 PM
Dec 2024

Read "In the Spirit of Crazy Horse" by Peter Matthiessen for the real story behind what happened and how Leonard Peltier was singled out as a powerful indigenous leader and railroaded by the FBI and the U.S. "Justice" system with fabricated "evidence".

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