Since when was a President allowed to create his own Department in our Government?

[kentuck]

Isn't that the duty of Congress?

They are calling it the "Department of Government Efficiency".

It is nothing more than a scam to enrich themselves with DOGEcoins and steal everything they can get their greedy fingers on.

[hatrack]

1. That would be since never . . . . .

Vivek and The Choad can talk all they want and make all the lists they want, and it won't mean a fucking thing.

[osteopath6]

2. Always?

Executive branch can run itself by organizing however they see fit. All ABC agencies (outside the AEC or now DOE) exist by executive fiat alone as a means to end for the mass-execution of executive authority.

There doesn't have to be an FBI or a DOJ, POTUS just uses those agencies to exercise their power easier

[kentuck]

5. From Wikipedia:

"The United States Atomic Energy Commission (AEC) was an agency of the United States government established after World War II by the U.S. Congress to foster and control the peacetime development of atomic science and technology.[2] President Harry S. Truman signed the McMahon/Atomic Energy Act on August 1, 1946, transferring the control of atomic energy from military to civilian hands, effective on January 1, 1947.[3] This shift gave the members of the AEC complete control of the plants, laboratories, equipment, and personnel assembled during the war to produce the atomic bomb.[4]"

[obamanut2012]

8. You are incorrect

[underpants]

3. Pres. Carter Dept of Education but it was approved by Congress

Department of Education Organization Act


In the Senate, 69 voted in favor and 22 voted against separating education from the Department of Health, Education, and Welfare.[3] In the House of Representatives, 215 voted in favor and 201 voted against.[4] President Carter signed the bill on October 17, 1979.[1]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Department_of_Education_Organization_Act

[vsrazdem]

4. They can have all the agencies they want. It is just not funded unless congress approves the funding. If they want to

spend their own money, have at it.

[Emile]

22. They steal money from the Pentagon budget and

blame Democrats for cutting the Pentagon budget.

https://www.npr.org/2020/02/13/805796618/trump-administration-diverts-3-8-billion-in-pentagon-funding-to-border-wall

[WestMichRad]

6. Y'all are missing a key point.

“Dicktator on Day 1” means he plans to do whatever he wants, constitution and existing laws be damned. The precedents that are cited mean nothing to him.
Yeah, court battles and much wailing are inevitable, but he plans to push for everything he can get… and he will win some of the battles. (See: SCOTUS 6 cronies…)

[Think. Again.]

11. yep.

[Justice matters.]

16. Project 2025 is the repug's wet dream of drowning the federal government

in the bathtub so now is their chance to do it.

Defund the Pentagon and let the states manage (and pay for) their own military defence.

That is also Putler's wet dream. Let the red crazies in North Dakota and Montana pay to maintain nukes silos?

Imagine the chaos and confusion resulting in a sudden (also illegal) Russian invasion...

[Orrex]

7. I'm sure that the GOP-ruled Congress and GOP-ruled SCOTUS will rein him in

[Dem4life1234]

29. Do they have that many votes?

[Hotler]

9. Walking free and doing what ever he wants since 1/6/2021. nt

[El-Capitan]

10. I understood DOGE to consist of unofficial, unpaid advisors and volunteers.

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It's not a department with staff.

About two weeks ago, Musk sent an X tweet asking for resumes from people willing to work 80 hours for free on this.

[Beck23]

20. The rich are the only ones who can work for free.

[El-Capitan]

24. Elon has some crazy, techie, die-hard followers who would work for free, possibly thinking it would

eventually lead to some paid work.

I have no doubt Elon can get people to volunteer to work on DOGE spreadsheets.

[HariSeldon]

12. It's a poorly funded think tank...

...with a misleading name, insinuating some kind of authority it does not possess. Typical Republican play.

[Shoonra]

13. I had thought ....

... that the Government Accountability Office (formerly the General Accounting Office) served the purpose of measuring government efficiency. Why do we need a duplicative department?

[IronLionZion]

14. It's not like the GOP congress is going to provide any checks or balances

they are pleased as punch to cut funding for as much as they can.

[onenote]

15. Presidents have long had broad authority to establish "advisory boards" which is what DOGE is

There are over 1000 federal "advisory boards". Some are established legislatively, some by delegated authority from a government agency, and some by presidential order.

[mathematic]

17. DOGE is a public relations campaign to rebrand longstanding GOP spending priorities

It's not a department or agency or part of government. Musk is not in the government and has not been appointed to anything.

None of his ideas are new or different from what Trump's nominees and the rest of the GOP have been pushing decades.

The press in traditional and social media have been tripping over themselves to grant legitimacy and authority to DOGE, accepting the marketing premise that DOGE is a (pseudo) governmental organization. It's worked so well that you apparently believe it. Nobody is required to play along with the idea of DOGE. You are allowed to say that it is an outside advocacy group, no different than the hundreds of advocacy groups that already exist.

[CaptainTruth]

18. But it's not a government department, it's an advisory group outside of government.

They're being careful to structure it that way so Elmo can avoid the requirements of being a government employee/cabinet member.

[patphil]

19. It's actually DOGC - Department of Grift and Corruption.

[republianmushroom]

21. Republican governing.

They make up the rules as they go.

[WestMichRad]

30. Calvinball brought to government!

[Polybius]

23. This is more of a quasi department

Not really a true one.

[kentuck]

25. You know that...

But how many people think it is real? And great?

[bucolic_frolic]

26. Joe should create his own department

of something or other. Integrity. Watchdog. Whatever. Let it test at SCOTUS. WHen they toss it, let Trump try it.

[Wiz Imp]

27. Presidents ARE NOT allowed to create their own Department in our Government

Any new Department must be approved by Congress. The last one was the Department of Homeland Security in 2002.

From Wikipedia:

Department of Government Efficiency, proposed by President-elect Donald Trump. Elon Musk and Vivek Ramaswamy will be heading the department. It has been decided that it will function as a presidential advisory commission rather than a federal executive department.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_federal_executive_departments

[Dem4life1234]

28. They are thieves

Literally white collar thieves and psychopaths.

[Sneederbunk]

31. Can hardly wait to see what Elmo and Vivek do with military budget.

[Initech]

32. Also to fire entire agencies and replace the staff with bootlickers.

[Skittles]

33. it's called FASCISM

yes indeed