"He was found guilty by a jury of his peers". And? a pardon is given to someone found guilty, no?

[question everything]

What am I missing?

Oh, and “Biden damaged his legacy..”. Sadly, currently there is not much of a legacy

If the new administration will not destroy the plans to help communities, a plan that will take years to be fully implemented, his legacy will be full of glory but after two decades.

What I quote is from CNN guests earlier. Just raising my blood pressure.

[Ocelot II]

1. That's how pardons work. Most of the time they are given to people

who have been found guilty by a jury. And Joe probably cares a lot more about saving his only remaining son from more harassment and vindictive prosecution by the minions of a vicious, vengeful president than he cares about his legacy. I don't think Joe has a lot of fucks to give any more.

[Grins]

5. "Most of the time..."

…they have been given to those who SERVED all or most of their sentencing.

Example, Obama pardoning drug offenders convicted for a drug offense that is no longer a crime in the state where it happened; or for an offense where felon had already served the bulk of his time.

In all cases, the pardoned had to admit: “I did it.”

Trump pardoned Dinesh D’Souza and soon after commuted the sentence of Illinois Governor Blagojevich. NEITHER ever admitted to the crimes for which juries (plural!!) convicted them.

[Ocelot II]

6. A notable exception was Richard Nixon, who was never charged with any crime

but was granted a pardon for all crimes he committed "or may have committed or taken part in" - a pardon that could provide a model for Biden pardoning likely targets like Jack Smith and Dr. Fauci and pretty much everybody else on Trump's enemies list.

[question everything]

9. I hope that he will. And parallel to Nixon, who cares by now?

[Igel]

12. Which was the HB pardon's language.

Most pardons--I've seen the claim "none", but am leaving open that the source overstated the case--since Nixon's have been for crimes charged/convicted. This is preemptive in case somebody goes looking for something. Evidence shows up that he did something else illegal in that time period, there can be no federal charge filed.

[question everything]

8. Confusing. "In all cases the pardoned had to admit" that they did but... neither D'Sousa nor Blagojevich did?

So which is it?

[Ocelot II]

11. They don't have to admit the crime. That's a misinterpretation of Burdick v. United States,

which held that the pardoned person is not required to accept a pardon; that a pardon can be given before a conviction and sentence, and acceptance of a pardon implies acceptance of guilt - which is why in some cases a person might not want to accept a pardon. But accepting a pardon is not the equivalent of confessing to the crime.

[RockRaven]

2. I understand the frustration, but OTOH your expectations of cable news

bobble-heads' discourse ought to be below basement level. Of course they said something facile. That's what they do.

[H2O Man]

3. Think Nixon.

[Prairie Gates]

4. So was Trump!

[lame54]

7. Are we talking about Steve Bannon

[question everything]

10. Not yet. Not until after Jan 20. Hunter Biden