Why should he do that?

The power of the pardon is given to the President to use in his official capacity for the betterment of the Nation.

How would pardoning an individual rightfully convicted of crimes do that?

I could see an argument that Hunter has not been "rightfully" convicted due to extreme bias on behalf of his proscutors, but if he actually did do the things he may be convicted of, and the sentencing is in line with standards, meaning no wrong would be corrected by the pardon, randomly pardoning criminals because it feels good would be an abuse of Biden's Presidential power.

As everyone should know, since the thread you reference the sentencing and persecution of Hunter has gone way, way beyond any standard penalty for the crimes he committed, and the reasonable expectation that Hunter would be even further abused by the incoming nazis if not pardoned, justifies my position that this pardon was the right thing to do to correct wrongs done by the nazis.

BlueCheeseAgain

(1,983 posts)

24. Hunter wasn't sentenced yet.

Reply to Think. Again. (Reply #18)

Tue Dec 3, 2024, 07:16 AM

Dec 3

But your larger point stands. You did put the caveat in.

I was taken aback that you described my other post as comprised of right wing talking points, though. It didn't seem that way to me.

Think. Again.

(19,089 posts)

25. It did seem that way to me.

Reply to BlueCheeseAgain (Reply #24)

Tue Dec 3, 2024, 07:18 AM

Dec 3

BlueCheeseAgain

(1,983 posts)

27. Which part?

Reply to Think. Again. (Reply #25)

Tue Dec 3, 2024, 07:22 AM

Dec 3

I presented four arguments in favor of the pardon and four against, and concluded I was ambivalent.

The four arguments against didn't say anything that was out of line in June. Why is that now considered right wing?

Response to Think. Again. (Reply #6)

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jfz9580m

(15,584 posts)

23. Sorry..I randomly picked you to ask this

Reply to Think. Again. (Reply #6)

Tue Dec 3, 2024, 07:15 AM

Dec 3

Feel a bit embarrassed actually, but what does the paperclip represent?
My initial guess was this:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Paperclip

If one searches for “why are democrats using paperclip imagery” nothing shows up..so i wondered…
Thanks in advance Think.Again or anyone else who responds..

Think. Again.

(19,089 posts)

28. Norwegian Resistance movement...

Reply to jfz9580m (Reply #23)

Tue Dec 3, 2024, 07:23 AM

Dec 3

The first mass outbreak of civil disobedience occurred in the autumn of 1940, when students of Oslo University began to wear paper clips on their lapels to demonstrate their resistance to the German occupiers and their Norwegian collaborators. A seemingly innocuous item, the paper clip was a symbol of solidarity and unity ( "we are bound together" ), implying resistance. The wearing of paper clips, the popular H7 monogram and similar symbols (red garments, Bobble hats) was outlawed and could lead to arrest and punishment.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norwegian_resistance_movement

And we here at DU happen to be lucky enough to have that paperclip symbol as a DU avatar choice!

jfz9580m

(15,584 posts)

30. LOL

Reply to Think. Again. (Reply #28)

Tue Dec 3, 2024, 07:28 AM

Dec 3

Okay that makes so much more sense .

I had been vaguely wondering how Operation Paperclip would work as an icon .

Thanks Think.Again . I am glad I asked..I was confused

Edit: Aha! Makes sense

https://www.todayifoundout.com/index.php/2013/09/the-paperclip-was-used-as-a-symbol-of-resistance-during-world-war-ii/

Why the paperclip? Besides the idea of binding things together, it’s thought the paperclip was chosen as a symbol of resistance in part because many people incorrectly believed that the inventor of the paperclip was Johan Vaaler, a Norwegian man. Vaaler was granted a patent for his paperclip in Germany as well as the United States in 1901, though didn’t apply for a patent in his native Norway.

Not very clear why OP was named after paper clips. This is all I see in a cursory scan of their wiki:

However, when the "Camp Overcast" name of the scientists' quarters became locally known, the program was renamed Operation Paperclip in November 1945.[20] Despite these attempts at secrecy, the press interviewed several of the scientists later that year.

Crunchy Frog

(27,121 posts)

7. The big difference is that people still thought that Dump would be beaten.

Reply to BlueCheeseAgain (Original post)

Tue Dec 3, 2024, 06:57 AM

Dec 3

Dump becoming pres again alters the equation dramatically.

BlueCheeseAgain

(1,983 posts)

9. A couple of people mentioned that the election...

Reply to Crunchy Frog (Reply #7)

Tue Dec 3, 2024, 06:59 AM

Dec 3

... might change things. Most seemed pretty absolute about it.

Think. Again.

(19,089 posts)

22. Before you blame people for changing their minds...

Reply to BlueCheeseAgain (Reply #9)

Tue Dec 3, 2024, 07:13 AM

Dec 3

...did you check to see if the people who wrote one thing in the June thread are the same who wrote somethng different in the recent thread?

BlueCheeseAgain

(1,983 posts)

29. I'm not going to go all personal.

Reply to Think. Again. (Reply #22)

Tue Dec 3, 2024, 07:24 AM

Dec 3

Just observing that being cautious about a pardon was once a mainstream view here and not held in contempt.

Think. Again.

(19,089 posts)

31. I don't believe that opinion was mainstream, the opinions in the june thread were mixed

Reply to BlueCheeseAgain (Reply #29)

Tue Dec 3, 2024, 07:29 AM

Dec 3

And I believe the stance of this post is false because you are claiming people have changed their positions when they haven't.

BlueCheeseAgain

(1,983 posts)

33. I didn't say people changed their mind.

Reply to Think. Again. (Reply #31)

Tue Dec 3, 2024, 07:32 AM

Dec 3

I said the idea was mainstream, in that it was acceptable and shared among many people.

Both supporting and opposing a pardon were mainstream ideas back then. Now, not as much.