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superpatriotman

(6,575 posts)
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 09:28 AM Dec 4

UnitedHealthcare CEO shot dead outside Manhattan Hilton hotel in 'targeted attack' BREAKING

UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson was shot dead on Wednesday morning outside the Hilton hotel in Midtown Manhattan, the NYPD confirmed to The Independent. Police sources believe the killing was a “targeted attack,” the New York Post reported. Thompson, who joined parent company UnitedHealth Group in 2004, and became CEO of UnitedHealthcare in 2021, was reportedly shot in the chest. He was rushed to a local hospital where he was pronounced dead.


https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/unitedhealthcare-ceo-brian-thompson-shot-dead-b2658728.html

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/unitedhealthcare-ceo-fatally-shot-ny-post-reports-2024-12-04/

https://nypost.com/2024/12/04/us-news/ceo-of-unitedhealthcare-fatally-shot-outside-of-hilton-hotel-in-nyc-in-possible-targeted-attack-sources/

NSFW NSFL edit:
From Twitter - NSFW footage of the murder reinforcing speculation of a professional hit:



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UnitedHealthcare CEO shot dead outside Manhattan Hilton hotel in 'targeted attack' BREAKING (Original Post) superpatriotman Dec 4 OP
Revenge? XanaDUer2 Dec 4 #1
Pre existing condition superpatriotman Dec 4 #7
That's cold as ice Prairie Gates Dec 4 #16
The whole system is! N/ t Hope22 Dec 4 #87
THIS malaise Dec 4 #175
Yes, insurance companies can be that way. Think. Again. Dec 4 #98
Yep tonkatoy8888 Dec 4 #100
Let's wait to see what the motive was. Bluetus Dec 4 #117
I doubt if it's mistaken identity. LeftInTX Dec 4 #142
You forgot Dan Dec 4 #153
In that case, T&Ps are in order Bluetus Dec 4 #158
Expand your second one and you're probably on the right track jmowreader Dec 4 #168
I watched the video footage Emrys Dec 4 #182
Also appeared to be a silenced pistol with subsonic ammo... EX500rider Dec 4 #183
Cool and calculated. Not so sure about professional. Bluetus Dec 4 #185
Making room for someone who is even worse? GoCubsGo Dec 4 #28
Just saw this. Hmmm... n/t CousinIT Dec 4 #2
Oh no how terrible Asa13 Dec 4 #3
Reserving comment. Maru Kitteh Dec 4 #4
This might be the beginning XanaDUer2 Dec 4 #8
It may be. My first thought was. "They should be afraid." I wish Maru Kitteh Dec 4 #12
Wish I could rec this more than once. MontanaMama Dec 4 #61
Waiting for the UH corporate PR machine to kick into gear, flood the media with Maru Kitteh Dec 4 #73
I believe this to be true. MontanaMama Dec 4 #91
Yessss MM DENVERPOPS Dec 4 #104
Bodyguards? More likely, private armies. N/t FSogol Dec 4 #169
Trump believes he benefits from chaos, so Bluetus Dec 4 #187
Literally what my DH just said Bettie Dec 4 #13
Even Americans must have a breaking point XanaDUer2 Dec 4 #15
That's why the dummies voted for republicans wolfie001 Dec 4 #19
I have some figures on that.... NJCher Dec 4 #66
Do those overlap on the Venn Diagram or or they cummulative? Moostache Dec 4 #89
And they pet their AR-15s more than their effing dogs wolfie001 Dec 4 #178
Amazing, though, how regular they show up to vote wolfie001 Dec 4 #177
It's not health care that's getting worse... dchill Dec 4 #119
You forgot to say DENVERPOPS Dec 4 #171
Fucking Florida Fail wolfie001 Dec 4 #179
As someone with a chronic health condition, my first thought TBF Dec 4 #59
Doubtful. Hassin Bin Sober Dec 4 #74
They dont know how to vote for policies that benefit them ColinC Dec 4 #76
as though those policies JUST HAPPEN to benefit them. Think. Again. Dec 4 #113
Yeah but i couldnt fit all that in a subject line ColinC Dec 4 #122
Right!!! Traildogbob Dec 4 #110
Or malaise Dec 4 #176
Who did he piss off? Historic NY Dec 4 #5
My guess is everyone United Healthcare screwed over. Ray Bruns Dec 4 #108
At least the perp is somewhat eco-friendly. GreenWave Dec 4 #159
A new "Law and Order" episode is probably in the works RedWhiteBlueIsRacist Dec 4 #6
lol wolfie001 Dec 4 #22
UHC has a poor reputation as a health insurer Dennis Donovan Dec 4 #9
See my post downthread. yardwork Dec 4 #23
Could be a disgruntled employee newdeal2 Dec 4 #10
Yeah. Could be numerous things. LeftInTX Dec 4 #124
It was a stockholders meeting peregrinus Dec 4 #174
Maybe somebody's loved one died because UnitedHealthcare refused to pay dalton99a Dec 4 #11
"the masked gunman was said to have fled eastbound on 6th Avenue" Prairie Gates Dec 4 #14
Another report did say he went down an alley.. yardwork Dec 4 #20
Yeah, I know, I'm just goofing on The Independent Prairie Gates Dec 4 #30
Maybe 46th St ? IbogaProject Dec 4 #42
The Hilton is between 53rd and 54th Prairie Gates Dec 4 #50
I have stayed at that Hilton every tear since 2006. Henry203 Dec 4 #64
Well, they're Brits. What do they know about NYC? yardwork Dec 4 #43
the Independent reporter, Justin Rohrlich, is an American based out of NYC Celerity Dec 4 #96
There are no alleys in midtown . . . markpkessinger Dec 4 #163
Now that video is out, it appears that eyewitnesses were wrong about a bunch of things. yardwork Dec 4 #165
My immediate thought also...was just on that block Sunday Drum Dec 4 #29
Yeah, I'm trying to figure out what they're even talking about Prairie Gates Dec 4 #32
I'm impressed by your... littlemissmartypants Dec 4 #52
6 th ave runs North/South Captain_New_York Dec 4 #65
Literally the point of the post that you're responding to Prairie Gates Dec 4 #82
Username checks out markodochartaigh Dec 4 #127
Formerly head of UHC "gov services" Medicare XanaDUer2 Dec 4 #17
That's the only reason I knew who the company was...Medicaid for the elderly FirstLight Dec 4 #81
This doesn't look like a 'personal' or business matter Joinfortmill Dec 4 #126
Maybe not a disgruntled amateur soandso Dec 4 #184
United Healthcare has been negotiating contracts this fall. yardwork Dec 4 #18
We Americans voted for this very care every time we vote republican wolfie001 Dec 4 #24
But but but Democrats kill babies don't you know? Walleye Dec 4 #26
yes, and we price eggs too high, also. Think. Again. Dec 4 #118
And babies come from eggs. Oh the plot thickens! GreenWave Dec 4 #160
Well... yardwork Dec 4 #27
We had a really good chance to pass one in 74 Jk23 Dec 4 #44
+13 k&r Emile Dec 4 #57
My wife and I got caught up in that too. iscooterliberally Dec 4 #84
Right. We have very little choice about who carries our coverage. yardwork Dec 4 #85
In Minnesota two or three systems have said they'll drop UHC dflprincess Dec 4 #130
Yep kenziemom06 Dec 4 #180
UnitedHealthcare's stock is up this morning. Yavin4 Dec 4 #21
Wall Street Wolves wolfie001 Dec 4 #25
+1 Auggie Dec 4 #75
He was the CEO of a subdivision of the listed company. UnitedHealth Group CEO is alive and well mathematic Dec 4 #80
This is Howard Cossell reporting live. GreenWave Dec 4 #161
Satisfied customer, no doubt. Liberal In Texas Dec 4 #31
And there's reports the gunman used a silencer. Liberal In Texas Dec 4 #37
No way IbogaProject Dec 4 #46
Could be. Since so many civilians collect military and law enforcement grade weapons any more Liberal In Texas Dec 4 #55
Really well planned Henry203 Dec 4 #53
Yup, that entrance is the most direct way to escalators up, where the meeting rooms and large halls are. Drum Dec 4 #90
if you go dwon the escalators Henry203 Dec 4 #148
Yes, so you said. Drum Dec 4 #149
That's horrible. milestogo Dec 4 #33
But... but.. but... Hunter Biden LW1977 Dec 4 #34
Tots and pears. onecaliberal Dec 4 #35
My contribution to the evidence-free speculation here DBoon Dec 4 #36
I doubt it Henry203 Dec 4 #47
Pro-tip: You don't hear me say I was near Watergate, do you? GreenWave Dec 4 #162
But, Do You Really Think RobinA Dec 4 #137
Just like everyone at Trump's whitehouse DENVERPOPS Dec 4 #173
I can't say how I really feel about this crime. area51 Dec 4 #38
I may be watching too many crime shows, but... onlyadream Dec 4 #39
I suspect it was a hit by a professional. John1956PA Dec 4 #63
The shooter was wearing a hoodie and probably masked. Liberal In Texas Dec 4 #115
I've been watching Person of Interest (all in NYC) and it totally feels like an episode. onlyadream Dec 4 #156
Usually it's the deductible that kills you Orrex Dec 4 #40
... leftstreet Dec 4 #60
Sometimes the deductible gets you...sometimes you get the deductible. CincyDem Dec 4 #105
! Kali Dec 4 #152
Guns, guns, guns - the insanity continues. walkingman Dec 4 #41
I hve been going to that Hilton every year since 2006. Henry203 Dec 4 #45
This message was self-deleted by its author BannonsLiver Dec 4 #79
Loved one of a patient who died because of denied care? IronLionZion Dec 4 #48
Is this the new justice in the United States? Emile Dec 4 #49
Damn sight more effective than Garland. markodochartaigh Dec 4 #131
Power play at the top of UnitedHealthCare? patphil Dec 4 #51
poor guy! DemMedic Dec 4 #54
Yes - when I saw the title I assumed intentional - midtown doesn't TBF Dec 4 #56
I doubt it. Elessar Zappa Dec 4 #69
From April of this year Attilatheblond Dec 4 #58
Ugh, I hope that's not it. LisaM Dec 4 #111
The DOJ hit back at BlackCat last year. ancianita Dec 4 #120
Suspect wore a black mask, white tennis shoes Emile Dec 4 #62
Day of the Jackal Prairie Gates Dec 4 #93
Thoughts drmeow Dec 4 #67
Instead of falling out a window? mn9driver Dec 4 #68
We likely have more guns ... Whiskeytide Dec 4 #139
Hmmm Beachnutt Dec 4 #70
Look where insurance premiums will go now! otchmoson Dec 4 #71
Surveillance photos of shooter: dalton99a Dec 4 #72
What a shame. James48 Dec 4 #77
He got paid more than his boss, the UnitedHealth Group CEO? mathematic Dec 4 #92
You go ahead and show deference. Rend your garment. Your overlords thank you. Maru Kitteh Dec 4 #189
Interesting height Prairie Gates Dec 4 #94
Woman? Joinfortmill Dec 4 #134
Shoulders look a little big for that Prairie Gates Dec 4 #144
Boo f-ing hoo gay texan Dec 4 #78
Someone's claim was denied and so they took the matter to the top? Omnipresent Dec 4 #83
It was an employee of United Healthcare TNNurse Dec 4 #86
"Thank you for giving me what I paid you for asshole" ZonkerHarris Dec 4 #103
Well, THAT'S RobinA Dec 4 #141
Reminds me of a movie, I think Denzel Washington was in it, where he was PO that his kid couldn't get raccoon Dec 4 #88
John Q (2002) Prairie Gates Dec 4 #95
UHC is the worst Horse with no Name Dec 4 #97
Most of the time the public has no idea of where a CEO is going to be when unprotected. They will know LiberalArkie Dec 4 #99
Sounds like he had connections to the mob. Beck23 Dec 4 #101
What are you basing that claim on? sarisataka Dec 4 #123
I'm curious to hear the answer, too. yardwork Dec 4 #128
Wouldn't be surprised if a big pharma CEO is next. Crowman2009 Dec 4 #102
New plan. James48 Dec 4 #106
Point of order... Takket Dec 4 #109
That's sounds like a threat soandso Dec 4 #186
Wow..unusual target Demovictory9 Dec 4 #107
War is Hell. The Grand Illuminist Dec 4 #112
Could be someone who's loved one died from lack of coverage Takket Dec 4 #114
When health is about profit nowforever Dec 4 #116
UHC coverage is absolutely horrible. Basso8vb Dec 4 #121
Apparently vigilante justice is now acceptable to many DUers. onenote Dec 4 #125
I'm glad I am not the only one sarisataka Dec 4 #129
Post removed Post removed Dec 4 #170
Welcome to DU sarisataka Dec 4 #172
A burst of class consciousness and solidarity is all it is leftstreet Dec 4 #135
That's quite the rationalization for posts applauding shooting someone on the street. onenote Dec 4 #136
Well I don't see much "applauding" leftstreet Dec 4 #138
I asked a DU poster if they had their coup gear ready LeftInTX Dec 4 #143
Maybe... Davon512 Dec 4 #157
Condoning murder and making threats soandso Dec 4 #188
I find it off-putting MustLoveBeagles Dec 4 #140
Many of the comments on this thread are disgusting. beaglelover Dec 4 #145
This message was self-deleted by its author John Shaft Dec 4 #146
So now adhering to progressive values is being a simp? onenote Dec 4 #150
I've been in a text group this morning made up of former UHC employees dflprincess Dec 4 #132
Well, that does it... biocube Dec 4 #133
Murder is bad, m'kay. RockRaven Dec 4 #147
More/Updated, Police via NYTimes: Drum Dec 4 #151
" the gunman quickly cleared the jam and resumed firing" Prairie Gates Dec 4 #154
I know...that sticks out, in the wording. Drum Dec 4 #155
I think it was a suppressor used to mute the sound (silencer) superpatriotman Dec 4 #164
I haven't the slightest idea what the motive was DFW Dec 4 #166
And that's that Strelnikov_ Dec 4 #167
I think this is just the beginning of what will become lawless chaos in fascist USA, the land of the untouchables nt yaesu Dec 4 #181

tonkatoy8888

(17 posts)
100. Yep
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 11:44 AM
Dec 4

Last edited Wed Dec 4, 2024, 03:36 PM - Edit history (1)

When your business model requires that you deny coverage in life and death situations this can only be viewed as an occupational hazard. I'm surprised he didn't travel with private security. When you kill people intentionally due to your avarice there might be blowback from dissatisfied customers. This guy made last year, roughly, what the average American makes in three lifetimes. Actions have consequences.

Bluetus

(292 posts)
117. Let's wait to see what the motive was.
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 12:04 PM
Dec 4

It could be anything. I don't know anything about the guy. But it is a pretty safe bet that he was a vindictive, money-grubbing asshole. It is hard to imagine anybody rising in that industry any other way.

And if that is an accurate description, it could be:
* a disgruntled employee
* a guy whose wife or child died, blaming UHC
* a love triangle that turned violent
* a mob hit
* a case of mistaken identity

Bluetus

(292 posts)
158. In that case, T&Ps are in order
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 01:50 PM
Dec 4

But it is too soon to talk about gun violence., of course.

We don't know the motive. It might have been everyday rage or mental illness, having little or nothing to do with his role as CEO of a company that is part of an industry that systematically vacuums up almost 20% of everything that happens in the USA. But I do feel that the Trump era, all the normalization we have seen from Republicans and the corporate media have put this country on a path where this kind of violence becomes commonplace and even morally justifiable to some. Heretofore, nearly all of this kind of (presumably) politically/socially-inspired violence has come from the far right. If this one came from the far left (and we have no evidence of that yet), I fear that opens up a whole new era.

There are many people from MAGA/Q world who would welcome widespread violence and chaos from all sides, with their attitude of "burn the mother---- down".

jmowreader

(51,604 posts)
168. Expand your second one and you're probably on the right track
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 03:12 PM
Dec 4

I’m going to get out my roll of Reynolds Wrap and make a hat from it for this one, and for that I apologize in advance.

UnitedHealthcare is the biggest player in the Medicare Advantage market…and also the one most likely to deny a claim. Could the person who either did this or arranged for it to be done be the relative of someone who died because UHC denied a claim and the person died due to the denial?

Emrys

(8,053 posts)
182. I watched the video footage
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 04:54 PM
Dec 4

Last edited Wed Dec 4, 2024, 05:27 PM - Edit history (1)

I'm no expert, but it looked like a cool, calculated professional hitjob.

The victim came into view on the street, walking away from the camera. The assassin, wearing a hoodie with his (?) back to the camera, came quickly into view from the roadside where some vehicles were parked, then fired the first shot. The victim staggered forward against a wall and turned to face the assassin, who kept walking towards him and fired a second shot, the victim collapsed, at which the assassin fired again while nearing him. The assassin walked casually past him, then walked into the road and broke into a run as he moved to the far side.

One person was in a doorway that was between the assassin and the victim when the first shot was fired, but fled past the camera at that point. There was someone in a car parked level with where the victim finally fell as its left blinker was going and its brake lights operated as the assassin walked in front of the car. Neither seemed to have anything to do with the incident.

EX500rider

(11,545 posts)
183. Also appeared to be a silenced pistol with subsonic ammo...
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 04:58 PM
Dec 4

...which is quieter but not powerful enough to cycle the weapon, you can see him manually cocking it after every shot

Bluetus

(292 posts)
185. Cool and calculated. Not so sure about professional.
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 07:19 PM
Dec 4

It seems to me there is much that could have gone wrong. I'm thinking a real professional hit man would have looked for an opportunity that had fewer bystanders, one of whom might have decided to be a hero.

But maybe this is the easiest way to make such a hit.

It certainly wasn't a random act, or a street gang. It was clearly an assassination with the element of surprise, disguise and a good escape plan. He probably ditched the outer layer of clothes in Central Park and then simply strolled out like anybody else.

Just a hunch, but I'd look into what his wife has been up to, assuming he is married. Or more likely, if he has been romancing another whose partner isn't so accepting of open relationships. In any case, my hunch is the shooter was hired, and not acting out of his own personal rage.

GoCubsGo

(33,158 posts)
28. Making room for someone who is even worse?
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 10:04 AM
Dec 4

My first thoughts went to "revenge," too. But, when you step back and realize that Dregs of Humanity are about to take control of our government, I wouldn't put anything past them, including bumping off someone, so they can install their own toady. Or, make sure they stay quiet, a la Jeffery Epstein.

Maru Kitteh

(29,232 posts)
12. It may be. My first thought was. "They should be afraid." I wish
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 09:41 AM
Dec 4

death on almost no one, this man included - but that said - they should be afraid.

Maru Kitteh

(29,232 posts)
73. Waiting for the UH corporate PR machine to kick into gear, flood the media with
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 11:05 AM
Dec 4

footage of the beautiful blonde grieving widow and her tousle-haired children if possible, great publicity! Quick! Get the broken-bodied custodian in front of the camera to tell us how he smiled and said “hello” every morning just like custodians were real people!

They should all be afraid. Things are getting broken out here, and their safety is an illusion.


MontanaMama

(24,087 posts)
91. I believe this to be true.
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 11:30 AM
Dec 4

Things are indeed breaking and in many cases maybe irretrievably broken. When humans get desperate and angry, we are in for a ride. When the oligarchy gets antsy, we are also in for a ride. They should be afraid.

DENVERPOPS

(10,147 posts)
104. Yessss MM
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 11:47 AM
Dec 4

I once heard a guy, who worked in a top U.S. corporation, and got screwed over, say to the CEO......"every night before you go to bed you should say a prayer for me, and pray to god that I never get a terminal disease you despicable piece of shit"......

U.S. Corporations and Uber wealthy Republicans have purchased the best politicians that money can buy.
99% of Corporations and 100% of their stockholders have had a good time royally screwing over customers and employees alike......
The Corporations have almost completely merged with Government....Definition of Fascism: Merger of Corporations and Gov't..

I can only imagine, LOL, that every future negotiation for a job as a CEO, besides a "Golden Parachute" clause, will include a demand for 24/7 bodyguards for the CEO and every member of their family.......

Bluetus

(292 posts)
187. Trump believes he benefits from chaos, so
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 07:24 PM
Dec 4

he will be glad to see this be where we go as a society.

Bettie

(17,389 posts)
13. Literally what my DH just said
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 09:41 AM
Dec 4

maybe the dam is breaking.

I bet it comes out that this guy lost someone because of UHC's decision.

wolfie001

(3,844 posts)
19. That's why the dummies voted for republicans
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 09:51 AM
Dec 4

We have a dumb voter problem in the US. Oh, don't forget the Trans Outrage. Better yet, how many jackasses sat on their hands and didn't vote. Health care is gonna get worse now, not better.

NJCher

(38,224 posts)
66. I have some figures on that....
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 10:51 AM
Dec 4

The Dumb Voter Problem is 31% of the population; the jackass problem is 40% of the population.

Moostache

(10,180 posts)
89. Do those overlap on the Venn Diagram or or they cummulative?
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 11:29 AM
Dec 4

I kinda feel like this country IS about 71% irredeemable asshattery about now...

wolfie001

(3,844 posts)
177. Amazing, though, how regular they show up to vote
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 04:32 PM
Dec 4

Meanwhile, so many are like, "Why didn't the Democratic Party fix all of my and the World's problems? Yesterday? Hhhhhmmmmm

dchill

(40,766 posts)
119. It's not health care that's getting worse...
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 12:06 PM
Dec 4

...it's the ever-expanding business of privatizing the so-called insurance that one is required to have to receive it. As a country, we pumped many millions of dollars into Rick Scott's pocket. It was demonstrably criminal, yet he's still a sitting US Senator. With LOTS of money.

DENVERPOPS

(10,147 posts)
171. You forgot to say
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 03:54 PM
Dec 4

Rick Scott's company committed corruption and was found guilty of illegally siphoning 1.3 BILLION of our tax dollars. (Medicare Fraud)

Rick Scott didn't even get a hand slap, the Corporation got nailed, because he only organized, implemented, directed, and collected off his fraud.......

TBF

(34,748 posts)
59. As someone with a chronic health condition, my first thought
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 10:45 AM
Dec 4

was "that was intentional - midtown manhattan on a wed. morning"

Hassin Bin Sober

(26,790 posts)
74. Doubtful.
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 11:10 AM
Dec 4

This seems a little too calculated. Probably family fortune related if I had to guess.

But you never know. My buddy who is a Public Defender once told me how proud he was of a client who wore a mask to rob a currency exchange - it gave him something to work with. Sometimes amateurs can make an effort.

ColinC

(10,943 posts)
76. They dont know how to vote for policies that benefit them
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 11:14 AM
Dec 4

So they just murder the people who benefit from those policies that they voted for?

Think. Again.

(19,052 posts)
113. as though those policies JUST HAPPEN to benefit them.
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 11:55 AM
Dec 4

You do know the insurance industry has a massive bribery lobbying force, right?

ColinC

(10,943 posts)
122. Yeah but i couldnt fit all that in a subject line
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 12:10 PM
Dec 4

Nonetheless, the policies that allow the lobbying is what I'm really talking about.

Traildogbob

(10,193 posts)
110. Right!!!
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 11:53 AM
Dec 4

And the first to fill the pain and suffer the most from the billionaire regime own most of the biggest most deadly weapons. And have been groomed to take back their country and Freedoms aggressively since the Black Man.
GQP armed them, fired them up, encouraged them shooting those you oppose, so when they get WOKE from that billionaire penis poking those in the air assholes with their heads buried in the sand………. what could go wrong?

Historic NY

(38,045 posts)
5. Who did he piss off?
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 09:34 AM
Dec 4

The masked man then fled through the Ziegfeld alleyway and hopped on a bike to flee the scene.

Ray Bruns

(4,731 posts)
108. My guess is everyone United Healthcare screwed over.
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 11:50 AM
Dec 4

That should narrow it down to about 50 million suspects.

Dennis Donovan

(27,415 posts)
9. UHC has a poor reputation as a health insurer
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 09:36 AM
Dec 4

I wonder if this is related to someone not getting lifesaving healthcare because of a UHC decision?

yardwork

(64,740 posts)
23. See my post downthread.
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 09:54 AM
Dec 4

United has threatened to drop health care systems across the nation this fall. Our local health care systems were affected.


LeftInTX

(30,594 posts)
124. Yeah. Could be numerous things.
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 12:13 PM
Dec 4

Odds are it is probably not someone who had a claim denied.
A customer would have stalked him out near his home. ( Find his address and go from there)

This person knew his meeting schedule.

peregrinus

(409 posts)
174. It was a stockholders meeting
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 04:24 PM
Dec 4

So the killer didn’t have to know his schedule in so far that he knew he’d be at this meeting.

dalton99a

(84,881 posts)
11. Maybe somebody's loved one died because UnitedHealthcare refused to pay
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 09:37 AM
Dec 4

A not uncommon occurrence in our medical insurance system


Prairie Gates

(3,568 posts)
14. "the masked gunman was said to have fled eastbound on 6th Avenue"
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 09:42 AM
Dec 4

I have a sense of why they haven't caught the guy yet. Sixth Avenue is a north-south street, so fleeing eastbound on it is truly some magical evasion procedure.

yardwork

(64,740 posts)
20. Another report did say he went down an alley..
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 09:51 AM
Dec 4

And something about fleeing on foot and then bike.

Prairie Gates

(3,568 posts)
30. Yeah, I know, I'm just goofing on The Independent
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 10:06 AM
Dec 4

The NY Post said he fled eastbound off 6th Avenue into an alley. The Independent wrote the sentence that I quoted in my subject line, which is pretty much impossible (fleeing eastbound on 6th Avenue). Maybe 54th street?

IbogaProject

(3,776 posts)
42. Maybe 46th St ?
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 10:36 AM
Dec 4

Whew, I feel so bad for the dectives who have to sift through dozens of associates and then millions of their coustomers.

Henry203

(178 posts)
64. I have stayed at that Hilton every tear since 2006.
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 10:50 AM
Dec 4

The assassination was on the side entrance which is how I entered the Hilton. It is the least watched entrance. There is a deli across the street where everyone got breakfast. It wouldn't surprise me that he was going or coming from eating.

Celerity

(46,862 posts)
96. the Independent reporter, Justin Rohrlich, is an American based out of NYC
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 11:39 AM
Dec 4

Justin Rohrlich is a staff reporter based in NYC. Past bylines include VICE News, The Daily Beast, Foreign Policy, NKNews.org, and others. He won an Emmy in 2008.

you can hear him here, from 2011

https://heritageradionetwork.org/episode/justin-rohrlich/

markpkessinger

(8,587 posts)
163. There are no alleys in midtown . . .
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 02:23 PM
Dec 4

. . . There is something colloquially known as 6½ Avenue, which is a pedestrian walkway that runs parallel to 6th Avenue, about midblock between 6th and 7th, from 51st to 57th Street.

yardwork

(64,740 posts)
165. Now that video is out, it appears that eyewitnesses were wrong about a bunch of things.
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 02:26 PM
Dec 4

The shooter.was not wearing a cream-colored jacket as first reported. He was dressed in all black, with a light colored backpack.

He didn't appear to flee, exactly. He walked up to his victim and then walked away, across the street. I'm sure a lot of the reports are wrong.

Prairie Gates

(3,568 posts)
32. Yeah, I'm trying to figure out what they're even talking about
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 10:13 AM
Dec 4

The plaza and the "alley" (so-called 6th 1/2 Avenue) on either side of the Ziegfeld Theatre are also North-South running. In any case, those would both be WEST of 6th Avenue off 54th Street.

FirstLight

(14,308 posts)
81. That's the only reason I knew who the company was...Medicaid for the elderly
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 11:19 AM
Dec 4

They are bigtime govt providers, I thnk maybe the only ones?

I agree with the ideas that it culd have been someonewho lost a loved one. But I also thnk this has more to do with some "taking out" of the CEO's of the big govt contractors/allies (haven't had coffee yet, trying to come up with the right word lol)

Joinfortmill

(16,622 posts)
126. This doesn't look like a 'personal' or business matter
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 12:14 PM
Dec 4

It looks like someone who's family member died due to the actions of the company

 

soandso

(1,631 posts)
184. Maybe not a disgruntled amateur
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 06:21 PM
Dec 4
Law enforcement sources said it appeared the shooter not only used a silencer, but was proficient enough with the gun to smoothly clear it after a jam to continue firing.

How people have silencers?

But, then, I don't think a pro would be carrying his cell phone:

But the killer’s apparently measured actions – including an escape on an electric Citi Bike into Central Park, where surveillance camera coverage is spotty – could be undercut by him apparently dropping a key clue: a cell phone.

I can't even begin to count the number of murders I've followed where cell phone data broke the case.

yardwork

(64,740 posts)
18. United Healthcare has been negotiating contracts this fall.
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 09:50 AM
Dec 4

I don't know how many people were affected. My wife is covered by United and if her doctors' health care system hadn't reached an agreement with United - literally at the last minute - none of her doctors or their hospital would be in network. She would have had to find all new doctors and go to different clinics and hospitals OR pay thousands and thousands more for her care.

United did this to health care systems across the nation this fall.

wolfie001

(3,844 posts)
24. We Americans voted for this very care every time we vote republican
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 09:55 AM
Dec 4

Not us of course, but the 50% of jackasses who do vote repuke EVERY ELECTION!!! Then when they're sick, they immediately blame the Democrats or George Soros.

yardwork

(64,740 posts)
27. Well...
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 10:00 AM
Dec 4

This is a sore point. Many Democrats decline to support universal healthcare, leaving the private insurance companies firmly in charge of our system.

Obamacare (ACA) barely got passed by Congress, and only thanks to Nancy Pelosi and Joe Biden for twisting arms. Still, they were unable to include a public option, meaning that every carrier in the ACA marketplace is a private company.

Most nations on Earth now have some form of universal health coverage. Every U.S. citizen should have that, issued by the government, without having to deal with our nightmare system.

 

Jk23

(455 posts)
44. We had a really good chance to pass one in 74
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 10:36 AM
Dec 4

But democrats in the senate led by Kennedy held out for a better deal... then the recession happened and here we are fifty years later still waiting.

iscooterliberally

(3,032 posts)
84. My wife and I got caught up in that too.
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 11:22 AM
Dec 4

We thought we were going to have to find new doctors, but at the last second they sorted it out. I used to have a plan with Humana through my employer, but Humana shut it down and we got stuck with UHC. All my scripts and co-pays went up of course. Fun times...

yardwork

(64,740 posts)
85. Right. We have very little choice about who carries our coverage.
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 11:24 AM
Dec 4

I don't know why Americans put up with this.

dflprincess

(28,526 posts)
130. In Minnesota two or three systems have said they'll drop UHC
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 12:19 PM
Dec 4

Medicare Advantage plans because of the high rate of denials.

kenziemom06

(107 posts)
180. Yep
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 04:43 PM
Dec 4

I have @ $800 in new medical bills (from well visits) because suddenly UHC won't work with my previously in network OB/GYN. Very, very frustrating.

mathematic

(1,524 posts)
80. He was the CEO of a subdivision of the listed company. UnitedHealth Group CEO is alive and well
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 11:19 AM
Dec 4

The stock dropped immediately upon the news and then recovered by open. It's currently up a very normal amount on a day where the overall market is up.

GreenWave

(9,442 posts)
161. This is Howard Cossell reporting live.
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 02:04 PM
Dec 4

UH stock is up this morning, but Brian Thompson is not.

Liberal In Texas

(14,628 posts)
31. Satisfied customer, no doubt.
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 10:10 AM
Dec 4

Pretty well planned. He laid in wait outside, probably had scoped out what route he'd use from previous observations. Multiple shots and then escaped on a bike - which is probably a good way in New York.

VP and CEO made $10,221,898 in 2023.

IbogaProject

(3,776 posts)
46. No way
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 10:39 AM
Dec 4

It was just a citizen using his "second admendment" rights, thanks Supreme Court for allowing maga and other ilk to bring their unregulated concealed weapon into NYC.

Liberal In Texas

(14,628 posts)
55. Could be. Since so many civilians collect military and law enforcement grade weapons any more
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 10:43 AM
Dec 4

it could be anybody.

Henry203

(178 posts)
53. Really well planned
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 10:43 AM
Dec 4

I have been going to that Hilton every year since 2006. I used that side entrance all the time. It is the least watched. There is a deli across the street where everyone went for breakfast. I would not doubt he had d gone ther for braekfast and was walking back. It is right near the parking garage.

Drum

(9,891 posts)
90. Yup, that entrance is the most direct way to escalators up, where the meeting rooms and large halls are.
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 11:30 AM
Dec 4

Henry203

(178 posts)
148. if you go dwon the escalators
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 01:20 PM
Dec 4

and turn right that is one entrance. This one is when you turn left and go by the bathrooms to the big circular door by the parking garage. I think he was going to that deli for braekfast. It is where I eat breakfast every time I go to the Hilton. It is the only thing open on the street at that time. I was looking at hotel prices just yesterday as I am n booking for legaltech.

LW1977

(1,413 posts)
34. But... but.. but... Hunter Biden
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 10:17 AM
Dec 4

How could Joe pardon him and not throw him to the wolves taking over?


DBoon

(23,170 posts)
36. My contribution to the evidence-free speculation here
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 10:23 AM
Dec 4

drug deal gone bad. The CEO stiffed the wrong guy.

Henry203

(178 posts)
47. I doubt it
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 10:40 AM
Dec 4

I have been going to that Hilton every year since 2006. I was looking up prices yesterday for Legaltech. The side door is the least watched.

GreenWave

(9,442 posts)
162. Pro-tip: You don't hear me say I was near Watergate, do you?
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 02:08 PM
Dec 4

Ix-nay on the I was there-ay.

RobinA

(10,197 posts)
137. But, Do You Really Think
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 12:29 PM
Dec 4

a CEO buys his own drugs? I would think that would be a fun perk of making barrels of money.

DENVERPOPS

(10,147 posts)
173. Just like everyone at Trump's whitehouse
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 04:15 PM
Dec 4

where they set up a pharmacy for all, and extremely poor record keeping of "What" and "Who"...........

onlyadream

(2,221 posts)
39. I may be watching too many crime shows, but...
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 10:30 AM
Dec 4

could it have been a hit job? It seems a bit professional.

John1956PA

(3,429 posts)
63. I suspect it was a hit by a professional.
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 10:49 AM
Dec 4

That is just my guess, based upon the wearing of the mask and planned getaway.

On the other hand, a professional would know that cameras catch everyone's movements outside the hotel. The killer in this particular case spent an extended length of time milling around in front of the hotel, which is something one would think that a professional hit man would avoid doing.

Liberal In Texas

(14,628 posts)
115. The shooter was wearing a hoodie and probably masked.
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 12:01 PM
Dec 4

Hard to identify on surveillance video. They had a bike stashed for the getaway. And there were reports he/she used a silencer. Sounds like something out of a movie.

onlyadream

(2,221 posts)
156. I've been watching Person of Interest (all in NYC) and it totally feels like an episode.
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 01:36 PM
Dec 4

Only John and Harold didn't get there in time.

Henry203

(178 posts)
45. I hve been going to that Hilton every year since 2006.
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 10:37 AM
Dec 4

He was shot at the side door which is where I usually entered. There is a deli right there where everyone gets breakfast. This entrance is the least watched. I was looking up prices yaesterday for Legaltech.

Response to Henry203 (Reply #45)

IronLionZion

(47,118 posts)
48. Loved one of a patient who died because of denied care?
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 10:40 AM
Dec 4

I'm just speculating here. United Healthcare is among the worst for denying claims. There are a lot of angry loved ones out there for people who might still be alive if they got care.

markodochartaigh

(2,221 posts)
131. Damn sight more effective than Garland.
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 12:20 PM
Dec 4


Although, personally, I condone neither murder nor the death penalty.

patphil

(7,111 posts)
51. Power play at the top of UnitedHealthCare?
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 10:42 AM
Dec 4

Either that or revenge by someone who had a grudge against the company.

TBF

(34,748 posts)
56. Yes - when I saw the title I assumed intentional - midtown doesn't
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 10:43 AM
Dec 4

normally have this kind of random violence. At least not that I remember - I haven't worked there in a long time. Maybe it has changed a lot since the 1990s?

Elessar Zappa

(16,077 posts)
69. I doubt it.
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 10:59 AM
Dec 4

It’s probably safer than it was in the 90’s. NYC murder rate is much, much lower now.

Attilatheblond

(4,549 posts)
58. From April of this year
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 10:45 AM
Dec 4

Maybe somebody wanted more payoffs and didn't get them?

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/unitedhealth-cyberattack-change-healthcare-hack-ransomware/]

A cyberattack earlier this year against a UnitedHealth Group subsidiary has proved costly for one of the nation's largest employers.

The health insurance giant on Tuesday noted $872 million in "unfavorable cyberattack effects" in its report of first quarter operations earnings. Those unfavorable effects refer to the February 21 cyberattack on Change Healthcare, which shut down operations at hospitals and pharmacies for more than a week. The $872 million includes "the Change Healthcare business disruption impacts and exclude the cyberattack direct response costs," which likely excludes any amount UnitedHealth may have paid to hackers in ransom.

UnitedHealth confirmed on the day of the breach that the cybercriminals behind the attack was a Russia-based ransomware gang known as ALPHV or BlackCat. The group itself claimed responsibility for the attack, alleging it stole more than six terabytes of data, including "sensitive" medical records.

UnitedHealth did now reveal how much — if at all — it paid the hackers to have their systems restored. However, multiple media sources at the time, including Wired Magazine, reported that a ransom payment for the amount of $22 million was made to BlackCat in the form of bitcoin.


LisaM

(28,747 posts)
111. Ugh, I hope that's not it.
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 11:53 AM
Dec 4

The news fixates on stuff like Hunter Biden and barely makes a note of the enormous threat that cyber attacks are posing to the economy, but if they are moving to this level, maybe we need to start paying more attention.

ancianita

(38,871 posts)
120. The DOJ hit back at BlackCat last year.
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 12:08 PM
Dec 4
Justice Department Disrupts Prolific ALPHV/Blackcat Ransomware Variant

https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/justice-department-disrupts-prolific-alphvblackcat-ransomware-variant

... The FBI developed a decryption tool that allowed FBI field offices across the country and law enforcement partners around the world to offer over 500 affected victims the capability to restore their systems. To date, the FBI has worked with dozens of victims in the United States and internationally to implement this solution, saving multiple victims from ransom demands totaling approximately $68 million. As detailed in a search warrant unsealed today in the Southern District of Florida, the FBI has also gained visibility into the Blackcat ransomware group’s computer network as part of the investigation and has seized several websites that the group operated.

“In disrupting the BlackCat ransomware group, the Justice Department has once again hacked the hackers,” said Deputy Attorney General Lisa O. Monaco. “With a decryption tool provided by the FBI to hundreds of ransomware victims worldwide, businesses and schools were able to reopen, and health care and emergency services were able to come back online. We will continue to prioritize disruptions and place victims at the center of our strategy to dismantle the ecosystem fueling cybercrime.”...

According to the unsealed warrant, Blackcat actors have compromised computer networks in the United States and worldwide. The disruptions caused by the ransomware variant have affected U.S. critical infrastructure – including government facilities, emergency services, defense industrial base companies, critical manufacturing, and healthcare and public health facilities – as well as other corporations, government entities, and schools. The loss amount globally is in the hundreds of millions and includes ransom payments, destruction and theft of proprietary data, and costs associated with incident response.

U.S. Attorney Markenzy Lapointe for the Southern District of Florida... “We will continue to focus on holding the people behind the Blackcat ransomware group accountable for their crimes.”

Blackcat uses a ransomware-as-a-service model in which developers are responsible for creating and updating ransomware and for maintaining the illicit internet infrastructure. Affiliates are responsible for identifying and attacking high-value victim institutions with the ransomware. After a victim pays, developers and affiliates share the ransom...

The Justice Department also recognizes the critical cooperation of Germany’s Bundeskriminalamt and Zentrale Kriminalinspektion Göttingen, Denmark’s Special Crime Unit, and Europol. Significant assistance was provided by the U.S. Secret Service and the U.S. Attorney’s Office for the Eastern District of Virginia. The Justice Department’s Office of International Affairs and the Cyber Operations International Liaison also provided significant assistance. Additionally, the following foreign law enforcement authorities provided substantial assistance and support: the Australian Federal Police, the United Kingdom’s National Crime Agency and Eastern Region Special Operations Unit, Spain’s Policia Nacional, Switzerland’s Kantonspolizei Thurgau, and Austria’s Directorate State Protection and Intelligence Service.


I doubt this kind of work will be done by whatever's left of trump's DOJ, since most of the expertise of our current government will be dismantled.

mn9driver

(4,594 posts)
68. Instead of falling out a window?
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 10:57 AM
Dec 4

Perhaps this is the beginning of oligarch management, American style.

Whiskeytide

(4,515 posts)
139. We likely have more guns ...
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 12:34 PM
Dec 4

… in the US than windows. Makes sense to use our more plentiful resource.

otchmoson

(79 posts)
71. Look where insurance premiums will go now!
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 11:03 AM
Dec 4

More of our premiums will now go to "increased protection" for executives rather than to patients and their care! Unintended consequences at work!

James48

(4,614 posts)
77. What a shame.
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 11:15 AM
Dec 4

Did you know the United Healthcare Group CEO was THE highest paid CEO in America for three years straight?
United Healthcare was the giant in Health Care insurance.


https://www.fiercehealthcare.com/payers/unitedhealth-ceo-andrew-witty-was-2023s-highest-paid-payer-ceo-heres-what-his-peers-earned

mathematic

(1,524 posts)
92. He got paid more than his boss, the UnitedHealth Group CEO?
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 11:32 AM
Dec 4

You can't even get your fake fact right. Go ahead and name those 3 years that the UnitedHealth Group CEO was the highest paid CEO in America. I'd like to see who he beat out.

I suppose for clarity, I should emphasize that you're repeating a fake fact in order to induce an indifference towards this man's murder and a general sense of rage towards him. You are an active participant in a propaganda effort.

Maru Kitteh

(29,232 posts)
189. You go ahead and show deference. Rend your garment. Your overlords thank you.
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 09:30 PM
Dec 4

I truly hope the warmth of their praise keeps your home through the winter, because they will offer you nothing more.

I suppose for clarity, I should emphasize that I’m not defending disinformation, It’s just that you seem confused about why people fucking despise for-profit healthcare CEOs. Hint, it ain’t some rando minor disputed data point on an obscure web board full of old people and some nerds. We don’t really need any “propoganda” to notice they’re killing us. I now return you to your scheduled mourning.

Prairie Gates

(3,568 posts)
94. Interesting height
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 11:36 AM
Dec 4

No taller than 5'7".

Interesting.

Slight build.

Dressed in black, black mask, black hood.

TNNurse

(7,160 posts)
86. It was an employee of United Healthcare
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 11:24 AM
Dec 4

who called me after my mastectomy (with lymph node involvement) to enthusiastically tell me "I am the one who approved your surgery". Fortunately (I guess) I was too shocked to say how could YOUR approval be necessary for metastatic cancer surgery? But I was in a weakened state and said nothing. Heartless is the only word that came to mind,

raccoon

(31,514 posts)
88. Reminds me of a movie, I think Denzel Washington was in it, where he was PO that his kid couldn't get
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 11:26 AM
Dec 4

medical care, something like that?

And "The Street Lawyer" where a homeless guy took a bunch of big shot lawyers hostage.

Horse with no Name

(34,076 posts)
97. UHC is the worst
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 11:40 AM
Dec 4

But I’m not going to lose too much sleep because this dude has actual blood on his hands.
There was a reason that the Carnegies and Rockefellers were so benevolent and had long driveways.
Gilded Age 2.0 underway!

LiberalArkie

(16,656 posts)
99. Most of the time the public has no idea of where a CEO is going to be when unprotected. They will know
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 11:44 AM
Dec 4

he is staying somewhere, they will know he is speaking somewhere, they will know he is in some hospital. But never that he will be outside a location at a certain time.

“We’re dealing with a very serious medical situation with one of our team members,” Witty reportedly said. “As a result, I’m afraid, we’re going to have to bring to a close the event.”
The Times reported the gunman apparently knew which door Thompson would enter and shot him several times from close distance. The CNBC added that the suspect, who is described as a white male dressed in black clothing, used a silencer.

Crowman2009

(2,844 posts)
102. Wouldn't be surprised if a big pharma CEO is next.
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 11:46 AM
Dec 4

Also, the chickens have come home to roost with regards to the gun loving GOP.

James48

(4,614 posts)
106. New plan.
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 11:48 AM
Dec 4

Starting tomorrow, we hold every CEO responsible.

Whoever makes the highest amount compared to the average worker (United health Care CEO pay ratio is 352:1) is noted as the highest paid CEO, and is eaten by the rest of us.

https://www.fiercehealthcare.com/payers/unitedhealth-ceo-andrew-witty-was-2023s-highest-paid-payer-ceo-heres-what-his-peers-earned

You only have to eat a few before they get the message.

 

soandso

(1,631 posts)
186. That's sounds like a threat
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 07:23 PM
Dec 4

Were you or whoever else you refer to as "we", involved in this murder, today?

Takket

(22,659 posts)
114. Could be someone who's loved one died from lack of coverage
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 11:57 AM
Dec 4

Could be a jilted lover

Could be angry ex employee.

Have to see if they catch the person.

Basso8vb

(458 posts)
121. UHC coverage is absolutely horrible.
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 12:08 PM
Dec 4

While I am sad for his family and loved ones, he was a member of the parasite class.

How many died because of him?

onenote

(44,805 posts)
125. Apparently vigilante justice is now acceptable to many DUers.
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 12:13 PM
Dec 4

Not defending UHC.
But my sense of who progressives are doesn't include cheering vigilante justice.

sarisataka

(21,268 posts)
129. I'm glad I am not the only one
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 12:16 PM
Dec 4

noticing a tolerance for assassination as a business tool. (As long as the victim is one of them )

Response to sarisataka (Reply #129)

sarisataka

(21,268 posts)
172. Welcome to DU
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 04:08 PM
Dec 4


I look forward to reading your opinions while you are here, however long that may be.

leftstreet

(36,417 posts)
135. A burst of class consciousness and solidarity is all it is
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 12:26 PM
Dec 4

I don't think it demeans individual DUers

leftstreet

(36,417 posts)
138. Well I don't see much "applauding"
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 12:31 PM
Dec 4

But I haven't read all the responses.

I see wit, sarcasm and humor...which is always DU at its best

LeftInTX

(30,594 posts)
143. I asked a DU poster if they had their coup gear ready
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 12:41 PM
Dec 4

They responded yes and that we all should. Someone else also chimed in

It was in regards to "how to remove a dictator "

 

Davon512

(4 posts)
157. Maybe...
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 01:44 PM
Dec 4

The reaction from some is understandable, especially if you're getting your ass kicked by the Medical Industrial Complex and the obscene profiteering. Most of us are nothing but numbers on a chart to be manipulated for profit.

That said, class consciousness and solidarity has to come with an understanding that it's the system - and not the various players - that presents the overriding problem. The players are interchangeable. One goes, another steps in, with the same result. Greed and corruption are a given, but that's not the foundational problem in the long run. Pretty sure you know that, but it still needs to be said.

 

soandso

(1,631 posts)
188. Condoning murder and making threats
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 07:38 PM
Dec 4

Is purely on the individual making such posts but "solidarity" - really? With murder? I realize people talk shit online but a few might want to think before typing.

Response to onenote (Reply #125)

onenote

(44,805 posts)
150. So now adhering to progressive values is being a simp?
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 01:28 PM
Dec 4

Aren't you mr. macho tough guy. Actually, i think a case can be made that you are a "simp" -- just a different word that starts with the same four letters.

dflprincess

(28,526 posts)
132. I've been in a text group this morning made up of former UHC employees
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 12:20 PM
Dec 4

Our money is on this going back to denied claims.

biocube

(11 posts)
133. Well, that does it...
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 12:22 PM
Dec 4

We can't have the rich and powerful dying from gun violence! Gun control now!

Drum

(9,891 posts)
151. More/Updated, Police via NYTimes:
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 01:29 PM
Dec 4

“Investigators were still searching for the gunman, who fled along the Avenue of the Americas, and was last spotted in Central Park. A surveillance image released by the police showed a person in a black hooded garment and wearing a backpack pointing a weapon, and another showed the person fleeing on what the police said was an electric Citi Bike. Neither image showed the gunman’s face.

The shooting happened on the morning of the company’s annual investor conference in New York City, and Mr. Thompson had arrived early to prepare for the conference, the police said.

The gunman apparently knew which door Mr. Thompson was going to enter, according to two people familiar with the investigation, and shot him several times from a few feet away. Mr. Thompson had recently received several threats, according to one of the people, and the police were investigating the source and exact nature of those threats. The person noted that health care executives can often receive threats because of the nature of their work.

During the news conference, investigators said the suspect’s pistol jammed during the shooting, and the gunman quickly cleared the jam and resumed firing. A cellphone recovered from an alley where the suspect fled from was being analyzed to see if it was linked to the shooting, the police said.”

Prairie Gates

(3,568 posts)
154. " the gunman quickly cleared the jam and resumed firing"
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 01:34 PM
Dec 4

Is that right? Well, then.

A cool customer, this.

superpatriotman

(6,575 posts)
164. I think it was a suppressor used to mute the sound (silencer)
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 02:25 PM
Dec 4

And he was forced to re chamber each round. They looked fairly adept, though.

DFW

(56,896 posts)
166. I haven't the slightest idea what the motive was
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 02:32 PM
Dec 4

But I do know that my employer ditched United Health Care because they denied everything. They were worse than John Grisham’s Great Benefit. If it was someone who lost the love of their life because UHC denied some life-saving treatment that could have saved the one who died, I can only say I’m surprised it took this long for something like this to happen.

Now my employer uses Blue Cross of Texas which only denies almost everything.

yaesu

(8,356 posts)
181. I think this is just the beginning of what will become lawless chaos in fascist USA, the land of the untouchables nt
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 04:49 PM
Dec 4
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