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superpatriotman

(6,654 posts)
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 10:28 AM Dec 2024

UnitedHealthcare CEO shot dead outside Manhattan Hilton hotel in 'targeted attack' BREAKING

UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson was shot dead on Wednesday morning outside the Hilton hotel in Midtown Manhattan, the NYPD confirmed to The Independent. Police sources believe the killing was a “targeted attack,” the New York Post reported. Thompson, who joined parent company UnitedHealth Group in 2004, and became CEO of UnitedHealthcare in 2021, was reportedly shot in the chest. He was rushed to a local hospital where he was pronounced dead.


https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/unitedhealthcare-ceo-brian-thompson-shot-dead-b2658728.html

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/unitedhealthcare-ceo-fatally-shot-ny-post-reports-2024-12-04/

https://nypost.com/2024/12/04/us-news/ceo-of-unitedhealthcare-fatally-shot-outside-of-hilton-hotel-in-nyc-in-possible-targeted-attack-sources/

NSFW NSFL edit:
From Twitter - NSFW footage of the murder reinforcing speculation of a professional hit:



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UnitedHealthcare CEO shot dead outside Manhattan Hilton hotel in 'targeted attack' BREAKING (Original Post) superpatriotman Dec 2024 OP
Revenge? XanaDUer2 Dec 2024 #1
Pre existing condition superpatriotman Dec 2024 #7
That's cold as ice Prairie Gates Dec 2024 #16
The whole system is! N/ t Hope22 Dec 2024 #87
THIS malaise Dec 2024 #175
Yes, insurance companies can be that way. Think. Again. Dec 2024 #98
Yep tonkatoy8888 Dec 2024 #100
Let's wait to see what the motive was. Bluetus Dec 2024 #117
I doubt if it's mistaken identity. LeftInTX Dec 2024 #142
You forgot Dan Dec 2024 #153
In that case, T&Ps are in order Bluetus Dec 2024 #158
Expand your second one and you're probably on the right track jmowreader Dec 2024 #168
I watched the video footage Emrys Dec 2024 #182
Also appeared to be a silenced pistol with subsonic ammo... EX500rider Dec 2024 #183
Cool and calculated. Not so sure about professional. Bluetus Dec 2024 #185
Making room for someone who is even worse? GoCubsGo Dec 2024 #28
Just saw this. Hmmm... n/t CousinIT Dec 2024 #2
Oh no how terrible Asa13 Dec 2024 #3
Reserving comment. Maru Kitteh Dec 2024 #4
This might be the beginning XanaDUer2 Dec 2024 #8
It may be. My first thought was. "They should be afraid." I wish Maru Kitteh Dec 2024 #12
Wish I could rec this more than once. MontanaMama Dec 2024 #61
Waiting for the UH corporate PR machine to kick into gear, flood the media with Maru Kitteh Dec 2024 #73
I believe this to be true. MontanaMama Dec 2024 #91
Yessss MM DENVERPOPS Dec 2024 #104
Bodyguards? More likely, private armies. N/t FSogol Dec 2024 #169
Trump believes he benefits from chaos, so Bluetus Dec 2024 #187
Literally what my DH just said Bettie Dec 2024 #13
Even Americans must have a breaking point XanaDUer2 Dec 2024 #15
That's why the dummies voted for republicans wolfie001 Dec 2024 #19
I have some figures on that.... NJCher Dec 2024 #66
Do those overlap on the Venn Diagram or or they cummulative? Moostache Dec 2024 #89
And they pet their AR-15s more than their effing dogs wolfie001 Dec 2024 #178
Amazing, though, how regular they show up to vote wolfie001 Dec 2024 #177
It's not health care that's getting worse... dchill Dec 2024 #119
You forgot to say DENVERPOPS Dec 2024 #171
Fucking Florida Fail wolfie001 Dec 2024 #179
As someone with a chronic health condition, my first thought TBF Dec 2024 #59
Doubtful. Hassin Bin Sober Dec 2024 #74
They dont know how to vote for policies that benefit them ColinC Dec 2024 #76
as though those policies JUST HAPPEN to benefit them. Think. Again. Dec 2024 #113
Yeah but i couldnt fit all that in a subject line ColinC Dec 2024 #122
Right!!! Traildogbob Dec 2024 #110
Or malaise Dec 2024 #176
Who did he piss off? Historic NY Dec 2024 #5
My guess is everyone United Healthcare screwed over. Ray Bruns Dec 2024 #108
At least the perp is somewhat eco-friendly. GreenWave Dec 2024 #159
A new "Law and Order" episode is probably in the works RedWhiteBlueIsRacist Dec 2024 #6
lol wolfie001 Dec 2024 #22
UHC has a poor reputation as a health insurer Dennis Donovan Dec 2024 #9
See my post downthread. yardwork Dec 2024 #23
Could be a disgruntled employee newdeal2 Dec 2024 #10
Yeah. Could be numerous things. LeftInTX Dec 2024 #124
It was a stockholders meeting peregrinus Dec 2024 #174
Maybe somebody's loved one died because UnitedHealthcare refused to pay dalton99a Dec 2024 #11
"the masked gunman was said to have fled eastbound on 6th Avenue" Prairie Gates Dec 2024 #14
Another report did say he went down an alley.. yardwork Dec 2024 #20
Yeah, I know, I'm just goofing on The Independent Prairie Gates Dec 2024 #30
Maybe 46th St ? IbogaProject Dec 2024 #42
The Hilton is between 53rd and 54th Prairie Gates Dec 2024 #50
I have stayed at that Hilton every tear since 2006. Henry203 Dec 2024 #64
Well, they're Brits. What do they know about NYC? yardwork Dec 2024 #43
the Independent reporter, Justin Rohrlich, is an American based out of NYC Celerity Dec 2024 #96
There are no alleys in midtown . . . markpkessinger Dec 2024 #163
Now that video is out, it appears that eyewitnesses were wrong about a bunch of things. yardwork Dec 2024 #165
My immediate thought also...was just on that block Sunday Drum Dec 2024 #29
Yeah, I'm trying to figure out what they're even talking about Prairie Gates Dec 2024 #32
I'm impressed by your... littlemissmartypants Dec 2024 #52
6 th ave runs North/South Captain_New_York Dec 2024 #65
Literally the point of the post that you're responding to Prairie Gates Dec 2024 #82
Username checks out markodochartaigh Dec 2024 #127
Formerly head of UHC "gov services" Medicare XanaDUer2 Dec 2024 #17
That's the only reason I knew who the company was...Medicaid for the elderly FirstLight Dec 2024 #81
This doesn't look like a 'personal' or business matter Joinfortmill Dec 2024 #126
Maybe not a disgruntled amateur soandso Dec 2024 #184
United Healthcare has been negotiating contracts this fall. yardwork Dec 2024 #18
We Americans voted for this very care every time we vote republican wolfie001 Dec 2024 #24
But but but Democrats kill babies don't you know? Walleye Dec 2024 #26
yes, and we price eggs too high, also. Think. Again. Dec 2024 #118
And babies come from eggs. Oh the plot thickens! GreenWave Dec 2024 #160
Well... yardwork Dec 2024 #27
We had a really good chance to pass one in 74 Jk23 Dec 2024 #44
+13 k&r Emile Dec 2024 #57
My wife and I got caught up in that too. iscooterliberally Dec 2024 #84
Right. We have very little choice about who carries our coverage. yardwork Dec 2024 #85
In Minnesota two or three systems have said they'll drop UHC dflprincess Dec 2024 #130
Yep kenziemom06 Dec 2024 #180
UnitedHealthcare's stock is up this morning. Yavin4 Dec 2024 #21
Wall Street Wolves wolfie001 Dec 2024 #25
+1 Auggie Dec 2024 #75
He was the CEO of a subdivision of the listed company. UnitedHealth Group CEO is alive and well mathematic Dec 2024 #80
This is Howard Cossell reporting live. GreenWave Dec 2024 #161
Satisfied customer, no doubt. Liberal In Texas Dec 2024 #31
And there's reports the gunman used a silencer. Liberal In Texas Dec 2024 #37
No way IbogaProject Dec 2024 #46
Could be. Since so many civilians collect military and law enforcement grade weapons any more Liberal In Texas Dec 2024 #55
Really well planned Henry203 Dec 2024 #53
Yup, that entrance is the most direct way to escalators up, where the meeting rooms and large halls are. Drum Dec 2024 #90
if you go dwon the escalators Henry203 Dec 2024 #148
Yes, so you said. Drum Dec 2024 #149
That's horrible. milestogo Dec 2024 #33
But... but.. but... Hunter Biden LW1977 Dec 2024 #34
Tots and pears. onecaliberal Dec 2024 #35
My contribution to the evidence-free speculation here DBoon Dec 2024 #36
I doubt it Henry203 Dec 2024 #47
Pro-tip: You don't hear me say I was near Watergate, do you? GreenWave Dec 2024 #162
But, Do You Really Think RobinA Dec 2024 #137
Just like everyone at Trump's whitehouse DENVERPOPS Dec 2024 #173
I can't say how I really feel about this crime. area51 Dec 2024 #38
I may be watching too many crime shows, but... onlyadream Dec 2024 #39
I suspect it was a hit by a professional. John1956PA Dec 2024 #63
The shooter was wearing a hoodie and probably masked. Liberal In Texas Dec 2024 #115
I've been watching Person of Interest (all in NYC) and it totally feels like an episode. onlyadream Dec 2024 #156
Usually it's the deductible that kills you Orrex Dec 2024 #40
... leftstreet Dec 2024 #60
Sometimes the deductible gets you...sometimes you get the deductible. CincyDem Dec 2024 #105
! Kali Dec 2024 #152
Guns, guns, guns - the insanity continues. walkingman Dec 2024 #41
I hve been going to that Hilton every year since 2006. Henry203 Dec 2024 #45
This message was self-deleted by its author BannonsLiver Dec 2024 #79
Loved one of a patient who died because of denied care? IronLionZion Dec 2024 #48
Is this the new justice in the United States? Emile Dec 2024 #49
Damn sight more effective than Garland. markodochartaigh Dec 2024 #131
Power play at the top of UnitedHealthCare? patphil Dec 2024 #51
poor guy! DemMedic Dec 2024 #54
Yes - when I saw the title I assumed intentional - midtown doesn't TBF Dec 2024 #56
I doubt it. Elessar Zappa Dec 2024 #69
From April of this year Attilatheblond Dec 2024 #58
Ugh, I hope that's not it. LisaM Dec 2024 #111
The DOJ hit back at BlackCat last year. ancianita Dec 2024 #120
Suspect wore a black mask, white tennis shoes Emile Dec 2024 #62
Day of the Jackal Prairie Gates Dec 2024 #93
Thoughts drmeow Dec 2024 #67
Instead of falling out a window? mn9driver Dec 2024 #68
We likely have more guns ... Whiskeytide Dec 2024 #139
Hmmm Beachnutt Dec 2024 #70
Look where insurance premiums will go now! otchmoson Dec 2024 #71
Surveillance photos of shooter: dalton99a Dec 2024 #72
What a shame. James48 Dec 2024 #77
He got paid more than his boss, the UnitedHealth Group CEO? mathematic Dec 2024 #92
You go ahead and show deference. Rend your garment. Your overlords thank you. Maru Kitteh Dec 2024 #189
Interesting height Prairie Gates Dec 2024 #94
Woman? Joinfortmill Dec 2024 #134
Shoulders look a little big for that Prairie Gates Dec 2024 #144
Boo f-ing hoo gay texan Dec 2024 #78
Someone's claim was denied and so they took the matter to the top? Omnipresent Dec 2024 #83
It was an employee of United Healthcare TNNurse Dec 2024 #86
"Thank you for giving me what I paid you for asshole" ZonkerHarris Dec 2024 #103
Well, THAT'S RobinA Dec 2024 #141
Reminds me of a movie, I think Denzel Washington was in it, where he was PO that his kid couldn't get raccoon Dec 2024 #88
John Q (2002) Prairie Gates Dec 2024 #95
UHC is the worst Horse with no Name Dec 2024 #97
Most of the time the public has no idea of where a CEO is going to be when unprotected. They will know LiberalArkie Dec 2024 #99
Sounds like he had connections to the mob. Beck23 Dec 2024 #101
What are you basing that claim on? sarisataka Dec 2024 #123
I'm curious to hear the answer, too. yardwork Dec 2024 #128
Wouldn't be surprised if a big pharma CEO is next. Crowman2009 Dec 2024 #102
New plan. James48 Dec 2024 #106
Point of order... Takket Dec 2024 #109
That's sounds like a threat soandso Dec 2024 #186
Wow..unusual target Demovictory9 Dec 2024 #107
War is Hell. The Grand Illuminist Dec 2024 #112
Could be someone who's loved one died from lack of coverage Takket Dec 2024 #114
When health is about profit nowforever Dec 2024 #116
UHC coverage is absolutely horrible. Basso8vb Dec 2024 #121
Apparently vigilante justice is now acceptable to many DUers. onenote Dec 2024 #125
I'm glad I am not the only one sarisataka Dec 2024 #129
Post removed Post removed Dec 2024 #170
Welcome to DU sarisataka Dec 2024 #172
A burst of class consciousness and solidarity is all it is leftstreet Dec 2024 #135
That's quite the rationalization for posts applauding shooting someone on the street. onenote Dec 2024 #136
Well I don't see much "applauding" leftstreet Dec 2024 #138
I asked a DU poster if they had their coup gear ready LeftInTX Dec 2024 #143
Maybe... Davon512 Dec 2024 #157
Condoning murder and making threats soandso Dec 2024 #188
I find it off-putting MustLoveBeagles Dec 2024 #140
Many of the comments on this thread are disgusting. beaglelover Dec 2024 #145
This message was self-deleted by its author John Shaft Dec 2024 #146
So now adhering to progressive values is being a simp? onenote Dec 2024 #150
I've been in a text group this morning made up of former UHC employees dflprincess Dec 2024 #132
Well, that does it... biocube Dec 2024 #133
Murder is bad, m'kay. RockRaven Dec 2024 #147
More/Updated, Police via NYTimes: Drum Dec 2024 #151
" the gunman quickly cleared the jam and resumed firing" Prairie Gates Dec 2024 #154
I know...that sticks out, in the wording. Drum Dec 2024 #155
I think it was a suppressor used to mute the sound (silencer) superpatriotman Dec 2024 #164
I haven't the slightest idea what the motive was DFW Dec 2024 #166
And that's that Strelnikov_ Dec 2024 #167
I think this is just the beginning of what will become lawless chaos in fascist USA, the land of the untouchables nt yaesu Dec 2024 #181

tonkatoy8888

(36 posts)
100. Yep
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 12:44 PM
Dec 2024

Last edited Wed Dec 4, 2024, 04:36 PM - Edit history (1)

When your business model requires that you deny coverage in life and death situations this can only be viewed as an occupational hazard. I'm surprised he didn't travel with private security. When you kill people intentionally due to your avarice there might be blowback from dissatisfied customers. This guy made last year, roughly, what the average American makes in three lifetimes. Actions have consequences.

Bluetus

(755 posts)
117. Let's wait to see what the motive was.
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 01:04 PM
Dec 2024

It could be anything. I don't know anything about the guy. But it is a pretty safe bet that he was a vindictive, money-grubbing asshole. It is hard to imagine anybody rising in that industry any other way.

And if that is an accurate description, it could be:
* a disgruntled employee
* a guy whose wife or child died, blaming UHC
* a love triangle that turned violent
* a mob hit
* a case of mistaken identity

Bluetus

(755 posts)
158. In that case, T&Ps are in order
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 02:50 PM
Dec 2024

But it is too soon to talk about gun violence., of course.

We don't know the motive. It might have been everyday rage or mental illness, having little or nothing to do with his role as CEO of a company that is part of an industry that systematically vacuums up almost 20% of everything that happens in the USA. But I do feel that the Trump era, all the normalization we have seen from Republicans and the corporate media have put this country on a path where this kind of violence becomes commonplace and even morally justifiable to some. Heretofore, nearly all of this kind of (presumably) politically/socially-inspired violence has come from the far right. If this one came from the far left (and we have no evidence of that yet), I fear that opens up a whole new era.

There are many people from MAGA/Q world who would welcome widespread violence and chaos from all sides, with their attitude of "burn the mother---- down".

jmowreader

(51,986 posts)
168. Expand your second one and you're probably on the right track
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 04:12 PM
Dec 2024

I’m going to get out my roll of Reynolds Wrap and make a hat from it for this one, and for that I apologize in advance.

UnitedHealthcare is the biggest player in the Medicare Advantage market…and also the one most likely to deny a claim. Could the person who either did this or arranged for it to be done be the relative of someone who died because UHC denied a claim and the person died due to the denial?

Emrys

(8,421 posts)
182. I watched the video footage
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 05:54 PM
Dec 2024

Last edited Wed Dec 4, 2024, 06:27 PM - Edit history (1)

I'm no expert, but it looked like a cool, calculated professional hitjob.

The victim came into view on the street, walking away from the camera. The assassin, wearing a hoodie with his (?) back to the camera, came quickly into view from the roadside where some vehicles were parked, then fired the first shot. The victim staggered forward against a wall and turned to face the assassin, who kept walking towards him and fired a second shot, the victim collapsed, at which the assassin fired again while nearing him. The assassin walked casually past him, then walked into the road and broke into a run as he moved to the far side.

One person was in a doorway that was between the assassin and the victim when the first shot was fired, but fled past the camera at that point. There was someone in a car parked level with where the victim finally fell as its left blinker was going and its brake lights operated as the assassin walked in front of the car. Neither seemed to have anything to do with the incident.

EX500rider

(11,752 posts)
183. Also appeared to be a silenced pistol with subsonic ammo...
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 05:58 PM
Dec 2024

...which is quieter but not powerful enough to cycle the weapon, you can see him manually cocking it after every shot

Bluetus

(755 posts)
185. Cool and calculated. Not so sure about professional.
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 08:19 PM
Dec 2024

It seems to me there is much that could have gone wrong. I'm thinking a real professional hit man would have looked for an opportunity that had fewer bystanders, one of whom might have decided to be a hero.

But maybe this is the easiest way to make such a hit.

It certainly wasn't a random act, or a street gang. It was clearly an assassination with the element of surprise, disguise and a good escape plan. He probably ditched the outer layer of clothes in Central Park and then simply strolled out like anybody else.

Just a hunch, but I'd look into what his wife has been up to, assuming he is married. Or more likely, if he has been romancing another whose partner isn't so accepting of open relationships. In any case, my hunch is the shooter was hired, and not acting out of his own personal rage.

GoCubsGo

(33,599 posts)
28. Making room for someone who is even worse?
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 11:04 AM
Dec 2024

My first thoughts went to "revenge," too. But, when you step back and realize that Dregs of Humanity are about to take control of our government, I wouldn't put anything past them, including bumping off someone, so they can install their own toady. Or, make sure they stay quiet, a la Jeffery Epstein.

Maru Kitteh

(29,758 posts)
12. It may be. My first thought was. "They should be afraid." I wish
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 10:41 AM
Dec 2024

death on almost no one, this man included - but that said - they should be afraid.

Maru Kitteh

(29,758 posts)
73. Waiting for the UH corporate PR machine to kick into gear, flood the media with
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 12:05 PM
Dec 2024

footage of the beautiful blonde grieving widow and her tousle-haired children if possible, great publicity! Quick! Get the broken-bodied custodian in front of the camera to tell us how he smiled and said “hello” every morning just like custodians were real people!

They should all be afraid. Things are getting broken out here, and their safety is an illusion.


MontanaMama

(24,314 posts)
91. I believe this to be true.
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 12:30 PM
Dec 2024

Things are indeed breaking and in many cases maybe irretrievably broken. When humans get desperate and angry, we are in for a ride. When the oligarchy gets antsy, we are also in for a ride. They should be afraid.

DENVERPOPS

(11,266 posts)
104. Yessss MM
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 12:47 PM
Dec 2024

I once heard a guy, who worked in a top U.S. corporation, and got screwed over, say to the CEO......"every night before you go to bed you should say a prayer for me, and pray to god that I never get a terminal disease you despicable piece of shit"......

U.S. Corporations and Uber wealthy Republicans have purchased the best politicians that money can buy.
99% of Corporations and 100% of their stockholders have had a good time royally screwing over customers and employees alike......
The Corporations have almost completely merged with Government....Definition of Fascism: Merger of Corporations and Gov't..

I can only imagine, LOL, that every future negotiation for a job as a CEO, besides a "Golden Parachute" clause, will include a demand for 24/7 bodyguards for the CEO and every member of their family.......

Bluetus

(755 posts)
187. Trump believes he benefits from chaos, so
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 08:24 PM
Dec 2024

he will be glad to see this be where we go as a society.

Bettie

(17,955 posts)
13. Literally what my DH just said
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 10:41 AM
Dec 2024

maybe the dam is breaking.

I bet it comes out that this guy lost someone because of UHC's decision.

wolfie001

(4,240 posts)
19. That's why the dummies voted for republicans
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 10:51 AM
Dec 2024

We have a dumb voter problem in the US. Oh, don't forget the Trans Outrage. Better yet, how many jackasses sat on their hands and didn't vote. Health care is gonna get worse now, not better.

NJCher

(39,220 posts)
66. I have some figures on that....
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 11:51 AM
Dec 2024

The Dumb Voter Problem is 31% of the population; the jackass problem is 40% of the population.

Moostache

(10,367 posts)
89. Do those overlap on the Venn Diagram or or they cummulative?
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 12:29 PM
Dec 2024

I kinda feel like this country IS about 71% irredeemable asshattery about now...

wolfie001

(4,240 posts)
177. Amazing, though, how regular they show up to vote
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 05:32 PM
Dec 2024

Meanwhile, so many are like, "Why didn't the Democratic Party fix all of my and the World's problems? Yesterday? Hhhhhmmmmm

dchill

(41,572 posts)
119. It's not health care that's getting worse...
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 01:06 PM
Dec 2024

...it's the ever-expanding business of privatizing the so-called insurance that one is required to have to receive it. As a country, we pumped many millions of dollars into Rick Scott's pocket. It was demonstrably criminal, yet he's still a sitting US Senator. With LOTS of money.

DENVERPOPS

(11,266 posts)
171. You forgot to say
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 04:54 PM
Dec 2024

Rick Scott's company committed corruption and was found guilty of illegally siphoning 1.3 BILLION of our tax dollars. (Medicare Fraud)

Rick Scott didn't even get a hand slap, the Corporation got nailed, because he only organized, implemented, directed, and collected off his fraud.......

TBF

(35,056 posts)
59. As someone with a chronic health condition, my first thought
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 11:45 AM
Dec 2024

was "that was intentional - midtown manhattan on a wed. morning"

Hassin Bin Sober

(26,948 posts)
74. Doubtful.
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 12:10 PM
Dec 2024

This seems a little too calculated. Probably family fortune related if I had to guess.

But you never know. My buddy who is a Public Defender once told me how proud he was of a client who wore a mask to rob a currency exchange - it gave him something to work with. Sometimes amateurs can make an effort.

ColinC

(11,098 posts)
76. They dont know how to vote for policies that benefit them
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 12:14 PM
Dec 2024

So they just murder the people who benefit from those policies that they voted for?

Think. Again.

(21,769 posts)
113. as though those policies JUST HAPPEN to benefit them.
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 12:55 PM
Dec 2024

You do know the insurance industry has a massive bribery lobbying force, right?

ColinC

(11,098 posts)
122. Yeah but i couldnt fit all that in a subject line
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 01:10 PM
Dec 2024

Nonetheless, the policies that allow the lobbying is what I'm really talking about.

Traildogbob

(10,777 posts)
110. Right!!!
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 12:53 PM
Dec 2024

And the first to fill the pain and suffer the most from the billionaire regime own most of the biggest most deadly weapons. And have been groomed to take back their country and Freedoms aggressively since the Black Man.
GQP armed them, fired them up, encouraged them shooting those you oppose, so when they get WOKE from that billionaire penis poking those in the air assholes with their heads buried in the sand………. what could go wrong?

Historic NY

(38,613 posts)
5. Who did he piss off?
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 10:34 AM
Dec 2024

The masked man then fled through the Ziegfeld alleyway and hopped on a bike to flee the scene.

Ray Bruns

(5,036 posts)
108. My guess is everyone United Healthcare screwed over.
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 12:50 PM
Dec 2024

That should narrow it down to about 50 million suspects.

Dennis Donovan

(29,658 posts)
9. UHC has a poor reputation as a health insurer
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 10:36 AM
Dec 2024

I wonder if this is related to someone not getting lifesaving healthcare because of a UHC decision?

yardwork

(65,785 posts)
23. See my post downthread.
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 10:54 AM
Dec 2024

United has threatened to drop health care systems across the nation this fall. Our local health care systems were affected.


LeftInTX

(32,736 posts)
124. Yeah. Could be numerous things.
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 01:13 PM
Dec 2024

Odds are it is probably not someone who had a claim denied.
A customer would have stalked him out near his home. ( Find his address and go from there)

This person knew his meeting schedule.
 

peregrinus

(409 posts)
174. It was a stockholders meeting
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 05:24 PM
Dec 2024

So the killer didn’t have to know his schedule in so far that he knew he’d be at this meeting.

dalton99a

(87,203 posts)
11. Maybe somebody's loved one died because UnitedHealthcare refused to pay
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 10:37 AM
Dec 2024

A not uncommon occurrence in our medical insurance system


Prairie Gates

(4,415 posts)
14. "the masked gunman was said to have fled eastbound on 6th Avenue"
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 10:42 AM
Dec 2024

I have a sense of why they haven't caught the guy yet. Sixth Avenue is a north-south street, so fleeing eastbound on it is truly some magical evasion procedure.

yardwork

(65,785 posts)
20. Another report did say he went down an alley..
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 10:51 AM
Dec 2024

And something about fleeing on foot and then bike.

Prairie Gates

(4,415 posts)
30. Yeah, I know, I'm just goofing on The Independent
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 11:06 AM
Dec 2024

The NY Post said he fled eastbound off 6th Avenue into an alley. The Independent wrote the sentence that I quoted in my subject line, which is pretty much impossible (fleeing eastbound on 6th Avenue). Maybe 54th street?

IbogaProject

(4,130 posts)
42. Maybe 46th St ?
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 11:36 AM
Dec 2024

Whew, I feel so bad for the dectives who have to sift through dozens of associates and then millions of their coustomers.

Henry203

(403 posts)
64. I have stayed at that Hilton every tear since 2006.
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 11:50 AM
Dec 2024

The assassination was on the side entrance which is how I entered the Hilton. It is the least watched entrance. There is a deli across the street where everyone got breakfast. It wouldn't surprise me that he was going or coming from eating.

Celerity

(48,487 posts)
96. the Independent reporter, Justin Rohrlich, is an American based out of NYC
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 12:39 PM
Dec 2024

Justin Rohrlich is a staff reporter based in NYC. Past bylines include VICE News, The Daily Beast, Foreign Policy, NKNews.org, and others. He won an Emmy in 2008.

you can hear him here, from 2011

https://heritageradionetwork.org/episode/justin-rohrlich/

markpkessinger

(8,688 posts)
163. There are no alleys in midtown . . .
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 03:23 PM
Dec 2024

. . . There is something colloquially known as 6½ Avenue, which is a pedestrian walkway that runs parallel to 6th Avenue, about midblock between 6th and 7th, from 51st to 57th Street.

yardwork

(65,785 posts)
165. Now that video is out, it appears that eyewitnesses were wrong about a bunch of things.
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 03:26 PM
Dec 2024

The shooter.was not wearing a cream-colored jacket as first reported. He was dressed in all black, with a light colored backpack.

He didn't appear to flee, exactly. He walked up to his victim and then walked away, across the street. I'm sure a lot of the reports are wrong.

Prairie Gates

(4,415 posts)
32. Yeah, I'm trying to figure out what they're even talking about
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 11:13 AM
Dec 2024

The plaza and the "alley" (so-called 6th 1/2 Avenue) on either side of the Ziegfeld Theatre are also North-South running. In any case, those would both be WEST of 6th Avenue off 54th Street.

FirstLight

(14,722 posts)
81. That's the only reason I knew who the company was...Medicaid for the elderly
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 12:19 PM
Dec 2024

They are bigtime govt providers, I thnk maybe the only ones?

I agree with the ideas that it culd have been someonewho lost a loved one. But I also thnk this has more to do with some "taking out" of the CEO's of the big govt contractors/allies (haven't had coffee yet, trying to come up with the right word lol)

Joinfortmill

(17,520 posts)
126. This doesn't look like a 'personal' or business matter
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 01:14 PM
Dec 2024

It looks like someone who's family member died due to the actions of the company

 

soandso

(1,631 posts)
184. Maybe not a disgruntled amateur
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 07:21 PM
Dec 2024
Law enforcement sources said it appeared the shooter not only used a silencer, but was proficient enough with the gun to smoothly clear it after a jam to continue firing.

How people have silencers?

But, then, I don't think a pro would be carrying his cell phone:

But the killer’s apparently measured actions – including an escape on an electric Citi Bike into Central Park, where surveillance camera coverage is spotty – could be undercut by him apparently dropping a key clue: a cell phone.

I can't even begin to count the number of murders I've followed where cell phone data broke the case.

yardwork

(65,785 posts)
18. United Healthcare has been negotiating contracts this fall.
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 10:50 AM
Dec 2024

I don't know how many people were affected. My wife is covered by United and if her doctors' health care system hadn't reached an agreement with United - literally at the last minute - none of her doctors or their hospital would be in network. She would have had to find all new doctors and go to different clinics and hospitals OR pay thousands and thousands more for her care.

United did this to health care systems across the nation this fall.

wolfie001

(4,240 posts)
24. We Americans voted for this very care every time we vote republican
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 10:55 AM
Dec 2024

Not us of course, but the 50% of jackasses who do vote repuke EVERY ELECTION!!! Then when they're sick, they immediately blame the Democrats or George Soros.

yardwork

(65,785 posts)
27. Well...
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 11:00 AM
Dec 2024

This is a sore point. Many Democrats decline to support universal healthcare, leaving the private insurance companies firmly in charge of our system.

Obamacare (ACA) barely got passed by Congress, and only thanks to Nancy Pelosi and Joe Biden for twisting arms. Still, they were unable to include a public option, meaning that every carrier in the ACA marketplace is a private company.

Most nations on Earth now have some form of universal health coverage. Every U.S. citizen should have that, issued by the government, without having to deal with our nightmare system.

 

Jk23

(455 posts)
44. We had a really good chance to pass one in 74
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 11:36 AM
Dec 2024

But democrats in the senate led by Kennedy held out for a better deal... then the recession happened and here we are fifty years later still waiting.

iscooterliberally

(3,057 posts)
84. My wife and I got caught up in that too.
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 12:22 PM
Dec 2024

We thought we were going to have to find new doctors, but at the last second they sorted it out. I used to have a plan with Humana through my employer, but Humana shut it down and we got stuck with UHC. All my scripts and co-pays went up of course. Fun times...

yardwork

(65,785 posts)
85. Right. We have very little choice about who carries our coverage.
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 12:24 PM
Dec 2024

I don't know why Americans put up with this.

dflprincess

(28,716 posts)
130. In Minnesota two or three systems have said they'll drop UHC
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 01:19 PM
Dec 2024

Medicare Advantage plans because of the high rate of denials.

kenziemom06

(113 posts)
180. Yep
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 05:43 PM
Dec 2024

I have @ $800 in new medical bills (from well visits) because suddenly UHC won't work with my previously in network OB/GYN. Very, very frustrating.

mathematic

(1,551 posts)
80. He was the CEO of a subdivision of the listed company. UnitedHealth Group CEO is alive and well
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 12:19 PM
Dec 2024

The stock dropped immediately upon the news and then recovered by open. It's currently up a very normal amount on a day where the overall market is up.

GreenWave

(10,596 posts)
161. This is Howard Cossell reporting live.
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 03:04 PM
Dec 2024

UH stock is up this morning, but Brian Thompson is not.

Liberal In Texas

(15,001 posts)
31. Satisfied customer, no doubt.
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 11:10 AM
Dec 2024

Pretty well planned. He laid in wait outside, probably had scoped out what route he'd use from previous observations. Multiple shots and then escaped on a bike - which is probably a good way in New York.

VP and CEO made $10,221,898 in 2023.

Liberal In Texas

(15,001 posts)
37. And there's reports the gunman used a silencer.
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 11:24 AM
Dec 2024

Almost starting to sound like a professional hit.

IbogaProject

(4,130 posts)
46. No way
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 11:39 AM
Dec 2024

It was just a citizen using his "second admendment" rights, thanks Supreme Court for allowing maga and other ilk to bring their unregulated concealed weapon into NYC.

Liberal In Texas

(15,001 posts)
55. Could be. Since so many civilians collect military and law enforcement grade weapons any more
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 11:43 AM
Dec 2024

it could be anybody.

Henry203

(403 posts)
53. Really well planned
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 11:43 AM
Dec 2024

I have been going to that Hilton every year since 2006. I used that side entrance all the time. It is the least watched. There is a deli across the street where everyone went for breakfast. I would not doubt he had d gone ther for braekfast and was walking back. It is right near the parking garage.

Drum

(10,147 posts)
90. Yup, that entrance is the most direct way to escalators up, where the meeting rooms and large halls are.
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 12:30 PM
Dec 2024

Henry203

(403 posts)
148. if you go dwon the escalators
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 02:20 PM
Dec 2024

and turn right that is one entrance. This one is when you turn left and go by the bathrooms to the big circular door by the parking garage. I think he was going to that deli for braekfast. It is where I eat breakfast every time I go to the Hilton. It is the only thing open on the street at that time. I was looking at hotel prices just yesterday as I am n booking for legaltech.

LW1977

(1,473 posts)
34. But... but.. but... Hunter Biden
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 11:17 AM
Dec 2024

How could Joe pardon him and not throw him to the wolves taking over?


DBoon

(23,580 posts)
36. My contribution to the evidence-free speculation here
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 11:23 AM
Dec 2024

drug deal gone bad. The CEO stiffed the wrong guy.

Henry203

(403 posts)
47. I doubt it
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 11:40 AM
Dec 2024

I have been going to that Hilton every year since 2006. I was looking up prices yesterday for Legaltech. The side door is the least watched.

GreenWave

(10,596 posts)
162. Pro-tip: You don't hear me say I was near Watergate, do you?
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 03:08 PM
Dec 2024

Ix-nay on the I was there-ay.

RobinA

(10,275 posts)
137. But, Do You Really Think
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 01:29 PM
Dec 2024

a CEO buys his own drugs? I would think that would be a fun perk of making barrels of money.

DENVERPOPS

(11,266 posts)
173. Just like everyone at Trump's whitehouse
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 05:15 PM
Dec 2024

where they set up a pharmacy for all, and extremely poor record keeping of "What" and "Who"...........

onlyadream

(2,230 posts)
39. I may be watching too many crime shows, but...
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 11:30 AM
Dec 2024

could it have been a hit job? It seems a bit professional.

John1956PA

(3,813 posts)
63. I suspect it was a hit by a professional.
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 11:49 AM
Dec 2024

That is just my guess, based upon the wearing of the mask and planned getaway.

On the other hand, a professional would know that cameras catch everyone's movements outside the hotel. The killer in this particular case spent an extended length of time milling around in front of the hotel, which is something one would think that a professional hit man would avoid doing.

Liberal In Texas

(15,001 posts)
115. The shooter was wearing a hoodie and probably masked.
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 01:01 PM
Dec 2024

Hard to identify on surveillance video. They had a bike stashed for the getaway. And there were reports he/she used a silencer. Sounds like something out of a movie.

onlyadream

(2,230 posts)
156. I've been watching Person of Interest (all in NYC) and it totally feels like an episode.
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 02:36 PM
Dec 2024

Only John and Harold didn't get there in time.

Henry203

(403 posts)
45. I hve been going to that Hilton every year since 2006.
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 11:37 AM
Dec 2024

He was shot at the side door which is where I usually entered. There is a deli right there where everyone gets breakfast. This entrance is the least watched. I was looking up prices yaesterday for Legaltech.

Response to Henry203 (Reply #45)

IronLionZion

(48,029 posts)
48. Loved one of a patient who died because of denied care?
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 11:40 AM
Dec 2024

I'm just speculating here. United Healthcare is among the worst for denying claims. There are a lot of angry loved ones out there for people who might still be alive if they got care.

markodochartaigh

(2,447 posts)
131. Damn sight more effective than Garland.
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 01:20 PM
Dec 2024


Although, personally, I condone neither murder nor the death penalty.

patphil

(7,516 posts)
51. Power play at the top of UnitedHealthCare?
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 11:42 AM
Dec 2024

Either that or revenge by someone who had a grudge against the company.

TBF

(35,056 posts)
56. Yes - when I saw the title I assumed intentional - midtown doesn't
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 11:43 AM
Dec 2024

normally have this kind of random violence. At least not that I remember - I haven't worked there in a long time. Maybe it has changed a lot since the 1990s?

Elessar Zappa

(16,308 posts)
69. I doubt it.
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 11:59 AM
Dec 2024

It’s probably safer than it was in the 90’s. NYC murder rate is much, much lower now.

Attilatheblond

(5,407 posts)
58. From April of this year
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 11:45 AM
Dec 2024

Maybe somebody wanted more payoffs and didn't get them?

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/unitedhealth-cyberattack-change-healthcare-hack-ransomware/]

A cyberattack earlier this year against a UnitedHealth Group subsidiary has proved costly for one of the nation's largest employers.

The health insurance giant on Tuesday noted $872 million in "unfavorable cyberattack effects" in its report of first quarter operations earnings. Those unfavorable effects refer to the February 21 cyberattack on Change Healthcare, which shut down operations at hospitals and pharmacies for more than a week. The $872 million includes "the Change Healthcare business disruption impacts and exclude the cyberattack direct response costs," which likely excludes any amount UnitedHealth may have paid to hackers in ransom.

UnitedHealth confirmed on the day of the breach that the cybercriminals behind the attack was a Russia-based ransomware gang known as ALPHV or BlackCat. The group itself claimed responsibility for the attack, alleging it stole more than six terabytes of data, including "sensitive" medical records.

UnitedHealth did now reveal how much — if at all — it paid the hackers to have their systems restored. However, multiple media sources at the time, including Wired Magazine, reported that a ransom payment for the amount of $22 million was made to BlackCat in the form of bitcoin.


LisaM

(29,034 posts)
111. Ugh, I hope that's not it.
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 12:53 PM
Dec 2024

The news fixates on stuff like Hunter Biden and barely makes a note of the enormous threat that cyber attacks are posing to the economy, but if they are moving to this level, maybe we need to start paying more attention.

ancianita

(39,973 posts)
120. The DOJ hit back at BlackCat last year.
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 01:08 PM
Dec 2024
Justice Department Disrupts Prolific ALPHV/Blackcat Ransomware Variant

https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/justice-department-disrupts-prolific-alphvblackcat-ransomware-variant

... The FBI developed a decryption tool that allowed FBI field offices across the country and law enforcement partners around the world to offer over 500 affected victims the capability to restore their systems. To date, the FBI has worked with dozens of victims in the United States and internationally to implement this solution, saving multiple victims from ransom demands totaling approximately $68 million. As detailed in a search warrant unsealed today in the Southern District of Florida, the FBI has also gained visibility into the Blackcat ransomware group’s computer network as part of the investigation and has seized several websites that the group operated.

“In disrupting the BlackCat ransomware group, the Justice Department has once again hacked the hackers,” said Deputy Attorney General Lisa O. Monaco. “With a decryption tool provided by the FBI to hundreds of ransomware victims worldwide, businesses and schools were able to reopen, and health care and emergency services were able to come back online. We will continue to prioritize disruptions and place victims at the center of our strategy to dismantle the ecosystem fueling cybercrime.”...

According to the unsealed warrant, Blackcat actors have compromised computer networks in the United States and worldwide. The disruptions caused by the ransomware variant have affected U.S. critical infrastructure – including government facilities, emergency services, defense industrial base companies, critical manufacturing, and healthcare and public health facilities – as well as other corporations, government entities, and schools. The loss amount globally is in the hundreds of millions and includes ransom payments, destruction and theft of proprietary data, and costs associated with incident response.

U.S. Attorney Markenzy Lapointe for the Southern District of Florida... “We will continue to focus on holding the people behind the Blackcat ransomware group accountable for their crimes.”

Blackcat uses a ransomware-as-a-service model in which developers are responsible for creating and updating ransomware and for maintaining the illicit internet infrastructure. Affiliates are responsible for identifying and attacking high-value victim institutions with the ransomware. After a victim pays, developers and affiliates share the ransom...

The Justice Department also recognizes the critical cooperation of Germany’s Bundeskriminalamt and Zentrale Kriminalinspektion Göttingen, Denmark’s Special Crime Unit, and Europol. Significant assistance was provided by the U.S. Secret Service and the U.S. Attorney’s Office for the Eastern District of Virginia. The Justice Department’s Office of International Affairs and the Cyber Operations International Liaison also provided significant assistance. Additionally, the following foreign law enforcement authorities provided substantial assistance and support: the Australian Federal Police, the United Kingdom’s National Crime Agency and Eastern Region Special Operations Unit, Spain’s Policia Nacional, Switzerland’s Kantonspolizei Thurgau, and Austria’s Directorate State Protection and Intelligence Service.


I doubt this kind of work will be done by whatever's left of trump's DOJ, since most of the expertise of our current government will be dismantled.

mn9driver

(4,671 posts)
68. Instead of falling out a window?
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 11:57 AM
Dec 2024

Perhaps this is the beginning of oligarch management, American style.

Whiskeytide

(4,527 posts)
139. We likely have more guns ...
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 01:34 PM
Dec 2024

… in the US than windows. Makes sense to use our more plentiful resource.

otchmoson

(102 posts)
71. Look where insurance premiums will go now!
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 12:03 PM
Dec 2024

More of our premiums will now go to "increased protection" for executives rather than to patients and their care! Unintended consequences at work!

James48

(4,758 posts)
77. What a shame.
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 12:15 PM
Dec 2024

Did you know the United Healthcare Group CEO was THE highest paid CEO in America for three years straight?
United Healthcare was the giant in Health Care insurance.


https://www.fiercehealthcare.com/payers/unitedhealth-ceo-andrew-witty-was-2023s-highest-paid-payer-ceo-heres-what-his-peers-earned

mathematic

(1,551 posts)
92. He got paid more than his boss, the UnitedHealth Group CEO?
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 12:32 PM
Dec 2024

You can't even get your fake fact right. Go ahead and name those 3 years that the UnitedHealth Group CEO was the highest paid CEO in America. I'd like to see who he beat out.

I suppose for clarity, I should emphasize that you're repeating a fake fact in order to induce an indifference towards this man's murder and a general sense of rage towards him. You are an active participant in a propaganda effort.

Maru Kitteh

(29,758 posts)
189. You go ahead and show deference. Rend your garment. Your overlords thank you.
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 10:30 PM
Dec 2024

I truly hope the warmth of their praise keeps your home through the winter, because they will offer you nothing more.

I suppose for clarity, I should emphasize that I’m not defending disinformation, It’s just that you seem confused about why people fucking despise for-profit healthcare CEOs. Hint, it ain’t some rando minor disputed data point on an obscure web board full of old people and some nerds. We don’t really need any “propoganda” to notice they’re killing us. I now return you to your scheduled mourning.

Prairie Gates

(4,415 posts)
94. Interesting height
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 12:36 PM
Dec 2024

No taller than 5'7".

Interesting.

Slight build.

Dressed in black, black mask, black hood.

gay texan

(2,952 posts)
78. Boo f-ing hoo
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 12:16 PM
Dec 2024

Having recently been denied healthcare from them, life's a bitch Mr. ex-CEO.

FAFO

TNNurse

(7,265 posts)
86. It was an employee of United Healthcare
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 12:24 PM
Dec 2024

who called me after my mastectomy (with lymph node involvement) to enthusiastically tell me "I am the one who approved your surgery". Fortunately (I guess) I was too shocked to say how could YOUR approval be necessary for metastatic cancer surgery? But I was in a weakened state and said nothing. Heartless is the only word that came to mind,

raccoon

(31,679 posts)
88. Reminds me of a movie, I think Denzel Washington was in it, where he was PO that his kid couldn't get
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 12:26 PM
Dec 2024

medical care, something like that?

And "The Street Lawyer" where a homeless guy took a bunch of big shot lawyers hostage.

Horse with no Name

(34,138 posts)
97. UHC is the worst
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 12:40 PM
Dec 2024

But I’m not going to lose too much sleep because this dude has actual blood on his hands.
There was a reason that the Carnegies and Rockefellers were so benevolent and had long driveways.
Gilded Age 2.0 underway!

LiberalArkie

(17,574 posts)
99. Most of the time the public has no idea of where a CEO is going to be when unprotected. They will know
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 12:44 PM
Dec 2024

he is staying somewhere, they will know he is speaking somewhere, they will know he is in some hospital. But never that he will be outside a location at a certain time.

“We’re dealing with a very serious medical situation with one of our team members,” Witty reportedly said. “As a result, I’m afraid, we’re going to have to bring to a close the event.”
The Times reported the gunman apparently knew which door Thompson would enter and shot him several times from close distance. The CNBC added that the suspect, who is described as a white male dressed in black clothing, used a silencer.

Crowman2009

(2,984 posts)
102. Wouldn't be surprised if a big pharma CEO is next.
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 12:46 PM
Dec 2024

Also, the chickens have come home to roost with regards to the gun loving GOP.

James48

(4,758 posts)
106. New plan.
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 12:48 PM
Dec 2024

Starting tomorrow, we hold every CEO responsible.

Whoever makes the highest amount compared to the average worker (United health Care CEO pay ratio is 352:1) is noted as the highest paid CEO, and is eaten by the rest of us.

https://www.fiercehealthcare.com/payers/unitedhealth-ceo-andrew-witty-was-2023s-highest-paid-payer-ceo-heres-what-his-peers-earned

You only have to eat a few before they get the message.

 

soandso

(1,631 posts)
186. That's sounds like a threat
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 08:23 PM
Dec 2024

Were you or whoever else you refer to as "we", involved in this murder, today?

Takket

(22,916 posts)
114. Could be someone who's loved one died from lack of coverage
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 12:57 PM
Dec 2024

Could be a jilted lover

Could be angry ex employee.

Have to see if they catch the person.

Basso8vb

(756 posts)
121. UHC coverage is absolutely horrible.
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 01:08 PM
Dec 2024

While I am sad for his family and loved ones, he was a member of the parasite class.

How many died because of him?

onenote

(44,964 posts)
125. Apparently vigilante justice is now acceptable to many DUers.
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 01:13 PM
Dec 2024

Not defending UHC.
But my sense of who progressives are doesn't include cheering vigilante justice.

sarisataka

(21,604 posts)
129. I'm glad I am not the only one
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 01:16 PM
Dec 2024

noticing a tolerance for assassination as a business tool. (As long as the victim is one of them )

Response to sarisataka (Reply #129)

sarisataka

(21,604 posts)
172. Welcome to DU
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 05:08 PM
Dec 2024


I look forward to reading your opinions while you are here, however long that may be.

leftstreet

(36,604 posts)
135. A burst of class consciousness and solidarity is all it is
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 01:26 PM
Dec 2024

I don't think it demeans individual DUers

leftstreet

(36,604 posts)
138. Well I don't see much "applauding"
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 01:31 PM
Dec 2024

But I haven't read all the responses.

I see wit, sarcasm and humor...which is always DU at its best

LeftInTX

(32,736 posts)
143. I asked a DU poster if they had their coup gear ready
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 01:41 PM
Dec 2024

They responded yes and that we all should. Someone else also chimed in

It was in regards to "how to remove a dictator "

 

Davon512

(4 posts)
157. Maybe...
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 02:44 PM
Dec 2024

The reaction from some is understandable, especially if you're getting your ass kicked by the Medical Industrial Complex and the obscene profiteering. Most of us are nothing but numbers on a chart to be manipulated for profit.

That said, class consciousness and solidarity has to come with an understanding that it's the system - and not the various players - that presents the overriding problem. The players are interchangeable. One goes, another steps in, with the same result. Greed and corruption are a given, but that's not the foundational problem in the long run. Pretty sure you know that, but it still needs to be said.

 

soandso

(1,631 posts)
188. Condoning murder and making threats
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 08:38 PM
Dec 2024

Is purely on the individual making such posts but "solidarity" - really? With murder? I realize people talk shit online but a few might want to think before typing.

Response to onenote (Reply #125)

onenote

(44,964 posts)
150. So now adhering to progressive values is being a simp?
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 02:28 PM
Dec 2024

Aren't you mr. macho tough guy. Actually, i think a case can be made that you are a "simp" -- just a different word that starts with the same four letters.

dflprincess

(28,716 posts)
132. I've been in a text group this morning made up of former UHC employees
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 01:20 PM
Dec 2024

Our money is on this going back to denied claims.

biocube

(34 posts)
133. Well, that does it...
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 01:22 PM
Dec 2024

We can't have the rich and powerful dying from gun violence! Gun control now!

Drum

(10,147 posts)
151. More/Updated, Police via NYTimes:
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 02:29 PM
Dec 2024

“Investigators were still searching for the gunman, who fled along the Avenue of the Americas, and was last spotted in Central Park. A surveillance image released by the police showed a person in a black hooded garment and wearing a backpack pointing a weapon, and another showed the person fleeing on what the police said was an electric Citi Bike. Neither image showed the gunman’s face.

The shooting happened on the morning of the company’s annual investor conference in New York City, and Mr. Thompson had arrived early to prepare for the conference, the police said.

The gunman apparently knew which door Mr. Thompson was going to enter, according to two people familiar with the investigation, and shot him several times from a few feet away. Mr. Thompson had recently received several threats, according to one of the people, and the police were investigating the source and exact nature of those threats. The person noted that health care executives can often receive threats because of the nature of their work.

During the news conference, investigators said the suspect’s pistol jammed during the shooting, and the gunman quickly cleared the jam and resumed firing. A cellphone recovered from an alley where the suspect fled from was being analyzed to see if it was linked to the shooting, the police said.”

Prairie Gates

(4,415 posts)
154. " the gunman quickly cleared the jam and resumed firing"
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 02:34 PM
Dec 2024

Is that right? Well, then.

A cool customer, this.

superpatriotman

(6,654 posts)
164. I think it was a suppressor used to mute the sound (silencer)
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 03:25 PM
Dec 2024

And he was forced to re chamber each round. They looked fairly adept, though.

DFW

(57,428 posts)
166. I haven't the slightest idea what the motive was
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 03:32 PM
Dec 2024

But I do know that my employer ditched United Health Care because they denied everything. They were worse than John Grisham’s Great Benefit. If it was someone who lost the love of their life because UHC denied some life-saving treatment that could have saved the one who died, I can only say I’m surprised it took this long for something like this to happen.

Now my employer uses Blue Cross of Texas which only denies almost everything.

yaesu

(8,622 posts)
181. I think this is just the beginning of what will become lawless chaos in fascist USA, the land of the untouchables nt
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 05:49 PM
Dec 2024
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