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Passages

(2,103 posts)
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 07:47 PM Dec 2024

Chris Murphy 🟧 @ChrisMurphyCT: This is appalling. Saddling patients

Chris Murphy 🟧
@ChrisMurphyCT
This is appalling. Saddling patients with thousands of dollars in surprise additional medical debt.
And for what? Just to boost corporate profits?

Reverse this decision immediately.


"In an unprecedented move, Anthem Blue Cross Blue Shield plans representing Connecticut, New York and Missouri have unilaterally declared it will no longer pay for anesthesia care if the surgery or procedure goes beyond an arbitrary time limit."

https://asahq.org/about-asa/newsroom/news-releases/2024/11/anthem-blue-cross-blue-shield-will-not-pay-complete-duration-of-anesthesia-for-surgical-procedures






More of this, Senator Murphy.
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Chris Murphy 🟧 @ChrisMurphyCT: This is appalling. Saddling patients (Original Post) Passages Dec 2024 OP
UNACCEPTABLE! SheltieLover Dec 2024 #1
What never ceases to amaze me is how brazen they are. Passages Dec 2024 #2
Sue them now for tens of billions. onecaliberal Dec 2024 #3
Not the onion? Hassin Bin Sober Dec 2024 #4
Bold move for these CEOs, just sayin EastBayGuy Dec 2024 #5
Anthem owns 14 blues Henry203 Dec 2024 #6
I see danger w/ this choice, arbitrary doesn't mean medical acceptable or what is needed medical-wise. What if there SWBTATTReg Dec 2024 #7
Health insurance companies are not about HEALTH. They are a scam. IcyPeas Dec 2024 #8
From red-state assholes to corporate greedheads, there's sure an awful lot of people without MDs... Hekate Dec 2024 #9
Totally unacceptable. La Coliniere Dec 2024 #10
Not here. As poster below points out, corporations are people too in US. Evolve Dammit Dec 2024 #12
What's really sick is that they are "people" La Coliniere Dec 2024 #13
Watch "The Corporation" if you feel brave. Highly acclaimed documentary. Won 36 awards I believe Evolve Dammit Dec 2024 #44
I actually own the CD. Was eye opening. La Coliniere Dec 2024 #48
Wow. I'm impressed you own it. They interjected just enough humor to keep me from wanting to kill myself! Evolve Dammit Dec 2024 #49
Hey, insurance CEOs are people too durablend Dec 2024 #11
That's the least of their worries, given recent events. paleotn Dec 2024 #16
What's next? duncang Dec 2024 #14
Keep it up, Anthem, and your CEO is gonna need some really serious security. paleotn Dec 2024 #15
Anthem Blue Cross' decision is no different than putting a timer on childbirth dlk Dec 2024 #17
Always fight back dalton99a Dec 2024 #18
Um ... they're just noticing??? calimary Dec 2024 #21
Wow. They really are like the Mob, always trying to get away with more. Passages Dec 2024 #24
Yep. Always reduce payouts to fatten their bank accounts dalton99a Dec 2024 #25
Wonder what their security details cost now after that NY assassination of a CEO NotHardly Dec 2024 #19
I'm not sure this would impact Connecticut. NutmegYankee Dec 2024 #20
Murphy did not mention that, I hope CT can block it. Passages Dec 2024 #22
Just what people in those states (or anywhere) need. More fucking money out of their pockets for health care companies. Karasu Dec 2024 #23
The average person? Nobody I know personally has 8k in the bank. Most niyad Dec 2024 #29
Yeah, I find it questionable myself, but that is what the Federal Reserve has been saying since 2022. Karasu Dec 2024 #30
Well, if they count leon skum and zuck. . niyad Dec 2024 #35
Those two pieces of trash have significantly more than $8000, but yes. Also, "Leon Skum" is the perfect anagram of Karasu Dec 2024 #42
I claim no credit for the clever angram, which I cheerfully stole, but have niyad Dec 2024 #43
Given the event this morning, this was probably NOT a great time to announce this. niyad Dec 2024 #26
Agree! Passages Dec 2024 #27
Not in the medical field but are anesthesia drugs that expensive? Arazi Dec 2024 #28
it's not the cost of the drug lapfog_1 Dec 2024 #32
Yes but they can't be making more than the surgeon right? Arazi Dec 2024 #33
actually about the same as a well trained surgeon. lapfog_1 Dec 2024 #34
So why pick on them? Arazi Dec 2024 #36
this might well be the trial balloon. lapfog_1 Dec 2024 #38
Agreed it's a trial balloon. They dare not touch the surgeons Arazi Dec 2024 #39
Disgusting!! Pas-de-Calais Dec 2024 #31
Well, THAT doesn't make me mad enough to flip a table or anything. ShazzieB Dec 2024 #37
medical industial complex. for profits baby!!! kaching! pansypoo53219 Dec 2024 #40
Their CEOs & Board of Directors are going to need body guards irisblue Dec 2024 #41
Not shocking... berksdem Dec 2024 #45
This should be the last straw. I would love to believe that. Passages Dec 2024 #46
Sadly, I believe you are right Passages. berksdem Dec 2024 #47

Passages

(2,103 posts)
2. What never ceases to amaze me is how brazen they are.
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 07:51 PM
Dec 2024

They fear no one in DC.


Hoping for better times soon.

Hassin Bin Sober

(26,944 posts)
4. Not the onion?
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 07:53 PM
Dec 2024

Instead of count backward I guess you say “hey doc, hurry the fuck up the clock is ticking”

SWBTATTReg

(24,954 posts)
7. I see danger w/ this choice, arbitrary doesn't mean medical acceptable or what is needed medical-wise. What if there
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 08:24 PM
Dec 2024

are issues during a surgery that require a longer period of time the patient being knocked out/under the gas?

IcyPeas

(23,295 posts)
8. Health insurance companies are not about HEALTH. They are a scam.
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 08:31 PM
Dec 2024

This HAS to change.

I mean doesn't this affect the actual employees/peons who work for anthem ... who work for BCBS? That's what I don't get.

How can anyone justify this?

Hekate

(96,604 posts)
9. From red-state assholes to corporate greedheads, there's sure an awful lot of people without MDs...
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 08:34 PM
Dec 2024

…who are more than happy to tell doctors how to do their jobs even if it means patients literally die in literal agony.

What was that I heard from the GOP about “death panels” all those years ago?

La Coliniere

(1,316 posts)
10. Totally unacceptable.
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 08:34 PM
Dec 2024

In most countries it’s against the law to make a profit for denying care. This is outrageous.

La Coliniere

(1,316 posts)
13. What's really sick is that they are "people"
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 08:47 PM
Dec 2024

with no expiration date. So they’re in a sense immortal until THEY decide when to put an end to themselves. Sickening

Evolve Dammit

(20,265 posts)
44. Watch "The Corporation" if you feel brave. Highly acclaimed documentary. Won 36 awards I believe
Thu Dec 5, 2024, 02:02 PM
Dec 2024

La Coliniere

(1,316 posts)
48. I actually own the CD. Was eye opening.
Thu Dec 5, 2024, 05:10 PM
Dec 2024

It’s thesis is that if corporations are considered “people”, they are sociopathic and psychotic people. Their argument is solid.

Evolve Dammit

(20,265 posts)
49. Wow. I'm impressed you own it. They interjected just enough humor to keep me from wanting to kill myself!
Thu Dec 5, 2024, 05:17 PM
Dec 2024

durablend

(8,288 posts)
11. Hey, insurance CEOs are people too
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 08:37 PM
Dec 2024

With real feelings. How would you feel if one of them couldn't afford another yacht because said patient wouldn't take a sleeping pill just in case the anesthesia wears off?

duncang

(3,767 posts)
14. What's next?
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 08:48 PM
Dec 2024

Your surgery didn’t finish in time so we won’t pay it either.

Will we get to a point in the past so far before anesthesia where doctors were chosen for how fast they could amputate a patient’s leg?

This is why the accounting department at an insurance company shouldn’t be able to set rules.

dlk

(12,587 posts)
17. Anthem Blue Cross' decision is no different than putting a timer on childbirth
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 08:51 PM
Dec 2024

It’s cruel and inhumane. It will cause more surgical mishaps and worse outcomes.

dalton99a

(87,164 posts)
18. Always fight back
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 08:52 PM
Dec 2024
https://www.wbur.org/news/2024/01/24/blue-cross-pause-colonoscopy-anesthesia-sedation

Blue Cross halts controversial colonoscopy changes after backlash from doctors
Updated January 25, 2024
Priyanka Dayal McCluskey

Blue Cross Blue Shield of Massachusetts is putting the brakes on a controversial policy to restrict the use of anesthesia during colonoscopies.

The policy took effect Jan. 1, drawing outrage from doctors who worried it would slow their productivity and discourage patients from getting a potentially life-saving procedure over fears of discomfort and pain. Doctors had lobbied Blue Cross officials to reconsider the changes, WBUR reported earlier this month.

On Wednesday, Blue Cross leaders said they decided to pause enforcement of the policy — indefinitely.

“It has become clear to us that there is confusion about the policy and the reasons for it,” Dr. Sandhya Rao, the company’s chief medical officer, said in a statement.

NutmegYankee

(16,395 posts)
20. I'm not sure this would impact Connecticut.
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 09:11 PM
Dec 2024

Surprise bills are against state law and the hospital and insurer are required to work out the cost to market rate anyhow. Stupid corporate bluster - a true shot to their own foot.

Karasu

(710 posts)
23. Just what people in those states (or anywhere) need. More fucking money out of their pockets for health care companies.
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 09:33 PM
Dec 2024

In a country where the average person has $8000 in the bank, according to the Federal Reserve. In what universe is this remotely sustainable? Hell, how the fuck hasn't the system collapsed already? I really can't see it surviving 4 years of this shit (and I very much doubt Trump is leaving in 4 years anyhow if he's still breathing, but that's beside the point).

niyad

(122,587 posts)
29. The average person? Nobody I know personally has 8k in the bank. Most
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 09:46 PM
Dec 2024

of us are on social security, or just about to be eligible for it.

Karasu

(710 posts)
30. Yeah, I find it questionable myself, but that is what the Federal Reserve has been saying since 2022.
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 09:49 PM
Dec 2024

Karasu

(710 posts)
42. Those two pieces of trash have significantly more than $8000, but yes. Also, "Leon Skum" is the perfect anagram of
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 11:53 PM
Dec 2024

his name. LOL

niyad

(122,587 posts)
43. I claim no credit for the clever angram, which I cheerfully stole, but have
Thu Dec 5, 2024, 12:53 AM
Dec 2024

forgotten from whom!

lapfog_1

(30,692 posts)
32. it's not the cost of the drug
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 09:52 PM
Dec 2024

it's the cost of the anesthesiologist that administers the drug. That person is well trained to give you just enough to stop the awful pain, but not so much you stop breathing.

Arazi

(7,593 posts)
33. Yes but they can't be making more than the surgeon right?
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 09:54 PM
Dec 2024

Why target just that specialist in the room (when there’s usually at least others who presumably make as much or more $$)

lapfog_1

(30,692 posts)
34. actually about the same as a well trained surgeon.
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 10:02 PM
Dec 2024

everybody depends on them being really really good at their jobs.

Certainly more that most of us make.

Arazi

(7,593 posts)
36. So why pick on them?
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 10:05 PM
Dec 2024

Why not other specialists in the OR?

It’s crazy they’ve seized on this specialist

lapfog_1

(30,692 posts)
38. this might well be the trial balloon.
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 10:10 PM
Dec 2024

Finish the surgery in X time so we don't have to pay for more time. Speed in surgery is what leads to costly mistakes. Sure, sometimes you need to move fast to repair damage from trauma or because of the overall health of the patient. But the faster the surgeon goes that less costly. They are all about reducing cost while increasing premiums.

Arazi

(7,593 posts)
39. Agreed it's a trial balloon. They dare not touch the surgeons
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 10:17 PM
Dec 2024

Imo.

They went after a specialty they thought they could attack…
Maybe NICU pediatricians will be next (you only have 3 hours to save that baby!)… or obstetricians (she’s taking too long!)

ShazzieB

(19,707 posts)
37. Well, THAT doesn't make me mad enough to flip a table or anything.
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 10:06 PM
Dec 2024

Oh, wait. Yes, it does.



Freaking greedy parasites!

berksdem

(793 posts)
45. Not shocking...
Thu Dec 5, 2024, 02:45 PM
Dec 2024

I work in the industry. The only priority is growing the EPS on an annual basis for the investors. The CEOs and Execs rake in the cash and stock as they build generational wealth. Anthem/Elevance is nearly as bad as United in terms of claims denied. Meanwhile the rich get richer on the backs of paying members. All the while those members are getting screwed to the point of losing lifesaving healthcare.

Passages

(2,103 posts)
46. This should be the last straw. I would love to believe that.
Thu Dec 5, 2024, 03:06 PM
Dec 2024

But I think we both know better, especially with a master grifter coming back to the White House.

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