southpaw: ABC and NBC both reporting some strong evidence of motive in the UHC shooting.

[Dennis Donovan]

‪southpaw‬ ‪
@nycsouthpaw.bsky.social‬
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ABC and NBC both reporting some strong evidence of motive in the UHC shooting.

abcnews.go.com/US/man-shot-...

www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news...


‪southpaw‬ ‪
@nycsouthpaw.bsky.social‬
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The words imprecisely echo the title of Jay Feinman’s 2010 book about health insurers’ abusive practices.
Book cover:


southpaw
‪@nycsouthpaw.bsky.social‬
Small correx: I should’ve just written insurers; I don’t think Feinman’s book was limited to the health insurance space.
December 5, 2024 at 7:50 AM

https://bsky.app/profile/nycsouthpaw.bsky.social/post/3lckpfjsug22j

[Liberal In Texas]

1. Good find.

The shooter seems to be someone who got royally screwed by UHC.

[Irish_Dem]

2. Or someone he cared about got royally screwed by UHC.

[Bluetus]

5. Tragic that our system has come to this

Where people feel like our corporate-run profit-driven healthcare system is so abusive that the only response can be violence.

Late stage capitalism. Dystopia.

Meanwhile we elected a President who thrives on chaos and dystopia.

[Irish_Dem]

20. It's why the French people invented guillotines.

[soldierant]

74. Dr Louis Guillotin invented what came to be called the guillotine,

and he did so because hanging and beheading (with an axe) took so long (using the axe multiple rimes because the first time didn't work was the rule, not the exception) and he wanted to come up with a more merciful (because faster) method of execution. He was appalled at the uses to which he saw it being used, particularly during the Reign of Terror, and bitterly regretted having invented it. And probably even more bitterly regretted that his name was all over it.

[ramapo]

22. I'm surprised it took so long

It came to this because for decades people have meekly accepted their fate. When Obama wanted to sort of fix this (not really since the problem was never fixed, just more people got the opportunity to experience it) he was (and still is) vilified for it.

[Bluetus]

52. This is Bannon's wet dream

Of the 400+ MILLION guns in circulation, there are far more in the hands of RWNJs than LWNJs. Bannon and his fellow Nazis welcome this civil war because they believe they can win it. Meanwhile we point to documents and ethics texts, as if those things mean anything to the Nazis.

And with all this happening, the media is 100% fixated, as always, on Hunter Biden.

[Irish_Dem]

75. At least Americans are expressing righteous anger and are in agreement.

I thought most Americans had turned into sleepwalking zombies and could never agree about anything.

Maybe there is hope.

[jimfields33]

9. He's about to spend the rest of his life in jail.

[theplayer]

29. I doubt he cares

Lost a loved one due to scum insurance company denial of care.

[Arazi]

35. He may be terminal and decided what the hell

That thought might cross my mind… 😞

[Rabrrrrrr]

57. ironically, maybe that's part of the plan - at least there he'll have healthcare.

Our system is so fucking broken.

[ZonkerHarris]

59. I have not heard any news about an arrest. First, you gotta catch him.

[PatSeg]

13. Yes, that was my first impression

[liberalhistorian]

38. I live in Minnesota where UH is based.

It is a HORRIBLE company, even by for-profit insurance company standards. It's so bad that some of the state's medical institutions and hospitals have refused to renew their contracts with UH. UH executives, including, of course, the murdered CEO, have made millions off of the suffering of those denied needed and/or lifesaving care. I'm not dancing on his grave or rejoicing in his murder, but I will say that you reap what you sow and I'm not shedding any tears for him. For his wife and family, perhaps, but not him.

I'm tired of all of the endless boo hoo coverage, also. I want to see some stories of those who've died because of this horrific company and this greedy fucker of a CEO!

[liberalhistorian]

39. I live in Minnesota, where UH is based.

It is a HORRIBLE company, even by for-profit insurance company standards. It's so bad that some of the state's medical institutions and hospitals have refused to renew their contracts with UH. UH executives, including, of course, the murdered CEO, have made millions off of the suffering of those denied needed and/or lifesaving care. I'm not dancing on his grave or rejoicing in his murder, but I will say that you reap what you sow and I'm not shedding any tears for him. For his wife and family, perhaps, but not him.

I'm tired of all of the endless boo hoo coverage, also. I want to see some stories of those who've died because of this horrific company and this greedy fucker of a CEO!

[mopinko]

3. anyone care to wager on whether or not they catch this guy alive?

i’m guessin a lot of powerful ppl dont want him to tell his story.

[gab13by13]

8. I was thinking the same thing.

His story will never be told.

AI will still keep denying claims.

This is coming to Medicare. At 77 years old I’m lucky I got my new knee before AI denied my surgery.

[Karasu]

69. AI has no fucking business deciding anything for anyone, least of all without any national legislation to regulate it.

This country is insane.

[Farmer-Rick]

12. Yeah, but he's a white guy

Cops don't always kill them when they are captured.

[3Hotdogs]

23. Yeah. Sometimes they gets killed after they're captured and convicted.

I remember somethin' about some guy. I think his first name was Jeff. I don't remember how the rest of the story went.

[BComplex]

47. I hope he posts his story before he takes his own life, if he does do that.

This story needs to be told.

[mopinko]

48. yeah, i'm hoping his social media is enlightening, anyway.

[LiberalArkie]

4. An insurance company should never deny a claim from a hitman.

They ought to be grateful that they did not deny a claim from a professional arsonist.

[Midnight Writer]

6. This case should be easy to solve. Just make a list of all the people who got screwed over by UHC

and single out the one who is angry about it.

Easy peazy.

[malaise]

7. You win the thread

😀

[Emile]

11. +2 LOL

[dalton99a]

14. +1

[liberalla]

19. That's right. The list can't be too long, can it?

[ChazInAz]

31. I'm one.

Damned company killed my wife.

[BComplex]

63. OMG! Chaz! I'm so sorry!

They've been killing people for a very long time, and until they change that, they can expect this kind of thing to happen. But it's also the republicans who have given them the votes to be able to do this.

[underpants]

32. On it

[littlemissmartypants]

51. Is it okay...

If I post this on Bluesky? I'll attribute it to you with a link if it's okay.

[underpants]

58. Sure. I guess. I found it in Facebook

[littlemissmartypants]

60. So, do you know who it belongs to? Or do you want credit? ❤️

[underpants]

62. No and no

[littlemissmartypants]

65. Okay. ...

I'll just put... reported as found on Facebook, creator unknown in the alt text box then. Thanks!

It's really funny. ❤️

[arthritisR_US]

81. It might not be the person who got screwed over but their

luv’d one or their dearest best mate.

[Lovie777]

10. Insurance companies a lot of times...

Decide life and death, or property damages, etc. and deny a whole lot because money “trumps”.

[Prairie Gates]

15. Invest in private security detail companies

Gonna be a boom market, no pun intended.

[dalton99a]

18. Pretty soon insurance execs will have motorcades and snipers on rooftops

paid for by premium increases

[10 Turtle Day]

44. I saw Frank Figluzi (sp?), former FBI, on MSNBC yesterday

And he said he had worked for a time as a private security detail for a healthcare CEO after retiring and he expressed shock that the victim didn’t have security accompanying him. Exactly because of all the denied healthcare.

[Ray Bruns]

16. "You know, the first question that you ask in any murder case, did the deceased deserve to die."

D. A. Arthur Branch

[surfered]

17. Unless the inscriptions on those casings were meant to deceive, deflect, and disguise,

…it appears from the video, the shooter was not seriously ill and may be a relative of the person he feels was wronged.

[krkaufman]

42. Or a hitman ...

… hired by his wife or a competitor. His job certainly offers a solid cover for those with alternative motives.

[Biophilic]

21. They are starting to build the guillotines.

[3Hotdogs]

24. There was a list posted on D.U. of the major companies who donated to Anal Fistula but not to Harris.

They probably could have saved time by just printing the list of the S & P 100.

Their bottom line is more important than our health and well-being and/or the defense of our nation and the integrity of our republic system of government..

[Bristlecone]

25. This was well planned

He knew this guy’s schedule while he was at an out of town conference, caught him on the street, alone, very early in the morning as he moved from one hotel to another venue across the street, had an e-bike waiting, up an adjacent alley/walkway, went straight to Central Park and disappeared.
A stop at Starbucks seems also part of the plan. They say he bought several items. No mention of coffee. Maybe a bottled water and something to eat that was portable as he knew he’d be moving for a while. Surely that backpack would hold those items, as well as a change of clothes.

[obamanut2012]

27. And, he would literally be off camera in most of Central Park

Especially in The Ramble. He could have hidden a change of clothes there, too, with a slighter bigger backpack he could put the grey on in. If he had a car parked on the edge of CP, that's it. He could be almost halfway across the country by now.

He knew what he was doing.

[LisaM]

77. Wouldn't the EBike track him?

As annoying as those things are, couldn't one at least be put to good use?

[AllyCat]

78. Maybe not a rental or used a fake card of some kind.

[Omnipresent]

26. Did i miss a meeting?

I thought we all agreed that the “Ivory tower elites”, were to be taken care of, at a later date, with guillotines.

[ChazInAz]

34. This is more efficient.

You can't sneak up on anybody when you're carrying a guillotine.

[Omnipresent]

40. Your right about that.

Guillotines are more ceremonial, with speeches and the suspense for those watching as well as receiving.

[FirstLight]

46. Bwhahahahaaaa!

This!

...ans there are many good replys on this thread, but this one literally got me giggling in my first cup of coffee!

[gay texan]

36. You can only fuck around with someone's loved ones for so long

Before matters are solved by the victims hands. Knew this day was going to come

[Liberal In Texas]

45. He was an inside trader, sucking money out of the company.

And under investigation for it.
I think the guy was scum.

Did he deserve getting gunned down?
I would rather have seen life in the pen, but these guys never pay in the legal system.

[SpankMe]

30. This isn't a health insurance company problem. It's a government problem

The "free market" where people get screwed and then retaliate by killing the CEO isn't the right correction mechanism for this issue. The government has to step up and regulate properly.

Instead of excusing the murderer by saying the CEO "got what he deserved", we should double down on fixing healthcare in this country. Obamacare was a great first step. We have to let Bernie and AOC go to the mat for us on universal health care, and support them. Hard.

[theplayer]

33. Ha!

Have you been to America? Did you notice who's in charge?

[SpankMe]

37. I didn't say it would be easy! n/t

[rubbersole]

53. It would mean corporations would change "fiduciary duty"...

...to include "fairness and straightforward honesty" in executives job descriptions instead of Gordon Gecko's "greed is good" mantra.

[slightlv]

72. We had our own reps

Kill it last time and throw the supporters out of the hearing.... When they'd been told already it was on the table. The PTB dont want that for us... Too much money thrown away on bad trash in their opinion. Look I was grateful for Obamacare, but they didn't even let us try for better.

[malaise]

61. There are people here at DU who are more critical of Bernie and AOC

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Than they’re of big Pharma, health insurance thieves or politicians who refuse to defend the majority of citizens.

[Mr.WeRP]

41. We are living the Tale of Two Cities

It was the best of times, it was the worst of times, it was the age of wisdom, it was the age of foolishness, it was the epoch of belief, it was the epoch of incredulity, it was the season of Light, it was the season of Darkness, it was the spring of hope, it was the winter of despair, we had everything before us, we had nothing before us, we were all going direct to Heaven, we were all going direct the other way—in short, the period was so far like the present period, that some of its noisiest authorities insisted on its being received, for good or for evil, in the superlative degree of comparison only.

[Linda ladeewolf]

43. The shooter

Seemed very professional. To me at least. Methodical. Guillotines don’t always have to be guillotines, do they?

[rubbersole]

49. The new DB Cooper folk hero.

He'll get a clever moniker that sticks and providing he isn't caught - Robin Hood status amongst the great unwashed masses...

[rubbersole]

82. IIRC - DB Cooper hijacked a plane for ransom...

...and parachuted to folk hero status.

[mopinko]

50. i think this is what they call a 'brass verdict'.

[SpankMe]

54. One more thing about the alleged bullet labeling

If it's true, then this crime pretty much falls under the definition of terrorism. This would change the approach law enforcement uses to access evidence and investigate the incident. It could also drive the involvement of federal authorities and give lawmakers an excuse to pass more laws that would hamstring even more speech and political activity.

Regardless of how we feel about health insurance companies, nothing good will come of this.

[JoseBalow]

68. That's one way to avoid state prison

If you include a Federal component, your crime(s) qualify you for Federal prison. If you're caught.

[PufPuf23]

84. The USA as a society is not that far from labeling some as "terrorists"

and then summary execution without rules, only self-righteousness.

[dflprincess]

55. Or there could be another motive

And this is just a way to deflect from it by pointing to what we all think is the most likely reason.

[PufPuf23]

85. Could even be a turf war between insiders or

insiders tossing one of their own for less transparency.

Don't expect much good will come out of this killing.

[CrispyQ]

56. Depose makes me think lawsuit.

Aren't there real life cases where a person died while the family battled in court with insurance attorneys? I've seen it on TV & it's totally believable that it happens in RL, too.

[theplayer]

64. law and order

had an episode of a fucking claims adjuster being shot like this. turns out he denied "experimental" cancer treatment for the guy's daughter. JUSTICE. NOT GUILTY...defense of others!

[SunSeeker]

73. Oh there were definitely lawsuits....

Last November, the estates of two former UHC patients filed suit in Minnesota alleging that the insurer used an AI algorithm to deny and override claims to elderly patients that had been approved by their doctors.
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100219792092

[NotHardly]

66. Almost like he's got no more f*cks to give ... it happens in desperation

... It is as though he is unphased by his identification and ultimate apprehension. Think about that... he's dropped clues, there's a larger story brewing me thinks.

[NotHardly]

67. Almost like he's got no more f*cks to give ... it happens in desperation

... It is as though he is unphased by his identification and ultimate apprehension. Think about that... he's dropped clues, there's a larger story brewing me thinks.

[Dan]

70. So, do the police think that it was Jay M. Feinman?

[SunSeeker]

71. K & R

[cannabis_flower]

76. I think

The shooter was wrong for killing him. But I can’t say he didn’t get what he deserved.

[Godot51]

86. Reactions, truth and evidence.

When Shinzo Abe, the exPM of Japan, was assassinated in 2023, the public outrage, outcry, shock and disbelief in Japan was unprecedented.

Soon, however, evidence was shown that Abe was associated, mainly by receiving money donations, with the South Korean Unification church cult (Moonies to most Americans), and other Liberal Democratic Party conservatives were as well, along with many other politicians. This and other money scandals are still rocking Japan's government.

The assassin was a young man whose life had been virtual destroyed by his mother's contributions of the family's money to the cult. He, possibly mistakenly, blamed Abe and his policies for his family's plight.

Suddenly sympathies were turned or at least less outraged.

When a such a person is murdered many people realize the two side of justice. It is unfortunate that he was murdered but his own actions possibly set the killer into action. Accountability in the U.S. is becoming less and less for the rich and more and more for the poor.

Further such actions may occur. Will this lead to martial law and a police state we're already worried is coming with the trump crowd? Let's hope not.

[Cne99999]

87. He deserved it.

Sorry to be crass but he did.

[irisblue]

88. I hope that guy is in Bangladesh or Parkistan

[czarjak]

89. "It'll be bloodless if The Left allows it."?

Was a threat.

[GoldenMezzoDiva]

90. Bien fait!

This colloquial French term does not mean "Good job."
More like "He got his!"