thom hartmann just read a du post on air (post by gopiscrap)

[orleans]

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100219788502

& said he reads du everyday.

[GusBob]

1. Obligatory DU reply

But, But, But .....he was a "Russia Today" guy

[rubbersole]

2. Thom is now chic in maga world!

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[Happy Hoosier]

3. Hey Thom!

I've certainly been critical of you in the past. Your partnership with RT was, I think you'd have to admit, a terible idea. But I look forward to watching you fight the fascists.

[intheflow]

4. Hartmann is a DUer.

He has an account on here and last posted in November. Been here a loooong time!

[angrychair]

5. Anyone

That was on RT is not our friend. Sorry but that's just reality. RT is a pure Putin propaganda arm.

[hlthe2b]

7. If you have closely watched the attempts & failures of progressive media--at least from Air America Radio

as a starting point and its "failure to thrive" so to speak against Limbaugh and other RW media then I think you'd appreciate the economic realities a couple of decades ago. RT was not considered as overtly in the PUTIN stable as now--nor was Kaspersky. I don't listen to Hartman much because I am just too busy, but I think he got out as soon as he possibly could find alternate funding.

The old documentary featuring Randi Rhodes, Rachel Maddow, Al Franken, Janeane Garofalo, Marc Maron, and others is a good place to start--even if you are aware of all of this:
https://www.amazon.com/Left-Dial-Al-Franken/dp/B000BBOU9K

[Sugarcoated]

12. What's Kapersky?

[hlthe2b]

13. It was the most highly regarded computer antiviral package decades ago created by a prominent Russian

who to this day proclaims no ties to the Russian government. Even US government was using it as were most major corporations across the country. When those ties were questioned, Kaspersky was no longer allowed on government computers, albeit it was not banned. Yet, most new computer manufacturers stopped installing it. Now, we look askance at it because of the potential ties to the Kremlin--just as we do RT, albeit that was not the case 20+ years ago.

[Cheezoholic]

14. Its a Russian based anitvirus software that was very widely used for around 20 years until it was banned in 2017 n/t

[EdmondDantes_]

15. Antivirus software and Internet security company

Kaspersky is the founder. The company was recently blocked in the US over fears it was working with the Russian government.

https://apnews.com/article/cybercrime-kaspersky-ban-russia-6171421f4efe18f0c45528fbcb581ce9

[carpetbagger]

16. A Russian antivirus software company nt.

[angrychair]

38. Anyone

Means anyone.

[orleans]

17. thom's show is absolutely wonderful and extremely informative and progressive/liberal

and he's smart as hell

when you say he's "not our friend" speak for yourself
also, he's a duer since 2006

[90-percent]

30. Thom / RT

Thom insisted on complete editorial independence during his time on RT. As long as RT gave him complete independence, Thom used it as another outlet to broadcast his excellent JOURNALISM.

-90% Jimmy

[thebigidea]

42. how could anyone possibly believe that? It's a Russian propaganda network.

Shame on him

[LiberalArkie]

28. Ahh, I get you... It is better for someone to be silenced that to ever use an opposing platform.

So it is my guess Pete Buttigieg should be ostracized and drawn and quartered for appearing on Fox News because Liberals will not support a liberal media source ?

[angrychair]

39. Sec Buttigieg

Did not have a show on a Russian propaganda website nor was he getting paid by Russian propaganda website.

It's funny how the people we don't like that leverage RT are bad, like Tulsi Gabbard but people we like on Russian propaganda websites are fine.

We either draw a line or we don't. Democrats need to stop being so squishy and declare a set of values and stick to them. If we should have learned anything in this last election is that, as a general rule of thumb, the American people are ignorant and they don't do nuance.

[thebigidea]

43. Yeah. It's better not to be a tool of Putin's propaganda network.

You don't see Mayor Pete being a pawn of the Russians

[soandso]

36. Not true

RT has given a platform to many left wing and progressive journalists who have all said RT never censored their views in any way and they were free to run their own shows as they wished.

I miss Ed Schultz.

[thebigidea]

44. Ed Schultz was fucking garbage. And on RT he said horrific things that would've gotten him banned here

[soandso]

45. So, you're saying

Ed Schultz would have been censored here when was not censored on RT.

[70sEraVet]

6. That post by gopiscrap DESERVED some national attention!

I think someone expressed the hope the Rachel Maddow would do a story on it. Glad Hartmann did it, but it deserves greater exposure.

[tenderfoot]

8. Anyone notice that the site's scolds didn't respond to gopiscrap's OP?

Says a lot about them.

They must work for health insurance companies.

[Kingofalldems]

10. Yeah we've been getting scolded ever since the CEO murder.

Should I go to confession?

[tenderfoot]

11. What's the copay for confession?

eom

[onecaliberal]

23. They support garland too.

[tenderfoot]

24. Don't forget Netanyahu, shouting down those that think the election was off, Kyle Rittenhouse, etc.

Now Health Insurance companies.

[onecaliberal]

25. Yes.

[Hekate]

9. That post deserved national exposure

[orleans]

18. it sure did. nt

[Kali]

19. a post a hell of a lot more people need to read

[sakabatou]

20. Hi, Thom!

[mathematic]

21. Did he point out that the ACA, passed nearly 15 years ago, prohibits denials based on pre-existing conditions?

Why is a story about how bad health insurance was 35 years ago relevant to the story of an assassination of a 50 year old insurance executive today?

Democrats actually fixed major problems with health insurance with the ACA and they get no credit for it, not in the public opinion, and certainly not at the ballot box. In fact, the passage of the ACA was heavily punished at the ballot box and greatly enabled the republican takeover of our national politics, in part due to 2010 statehouse wipeouts and the extreme redistricting that resulted.

The amount of stories I hear about "pre-existing condition" denials today, as if they're still a fundamental characteristic of health insurance, demonstrates the failure of Hartmann, who presumably cares about healthcare and informing his audience, in his job as a commentator.

[orleans]

22. wrong

[questionseverything]

31. The aca was/is a giant giveaway to insurance companies

[mathematic]

33. Millions of people today are on free healthcare because of the ACA

Some big achievements of the ACA:
1. No more pre-existing conditions exclusions (the bit that's most relevant to this thread)
2. No more lifetime limits on essential health services
3. Expanded medicaid, allowing millions more people to qualify for medicaid

If you don't think the ACA has made a difference it's probably because of 1., you don't have a pre-existing condition that would have denied you coverage under the old system or 3., you don't know anybody that's poor with no dependent children that is now getting medicaid.

[questionseverything]

34. First of all it isn't free, the American taxpayer pays the premium every month for low income people

Second of all shitty insurance with a 7 grand deductible might as well be no insurance for most of us

I have several relatives on Medicaid, it’s awful, their doctors have to fight repeatedly for any necessary procedure and anesthesia is being charged, ahead separately at least for some procedures

Right now I have a daughter who’s doctor is fighting to do a colonoscopy because they know she’s full of polyps and she’s already a cancer survivor but so far, denied

[lonely bird]

48. Let us not forget

That Medicaid also uses private insurance.

[questionseverything]

52. Yes they use private insurance to deny claims

[lonely bird]

53. Of that, I have no doubt.

I have started seeing Medicaid commercials for the first time that I can ever recall.

[Nixie]

32. Great points. I'm still waiting for the apology tour about the misinformation

campaign about Clinton. Misinformation is sabotage, and we don’t need it.

[Farmer-Rick]

54. That love hate relationship with the ACA was evident

At first, Dems just ran away from ACA as if it were kryptonite. But then they embraced the Obama care label.

Today we know what an improvement it was. But it wasn't single payer or nationalized healthcare. It was just another compromise back then.

Yeah a third of the country was fighting tooth and nail against it. But most Americans thought we would get a form of nationalized healthcare. I think Hillary would have gotten it for us. Obama was ever the compromiser. Not so much Hillary.

That was what Americans really wanted and kind of expected from the "liberal" Democrats. It's what Obama and Hillary campaigned on. A nationwide single payer system like Medicare for all. But they didn't get it. And that disappointment translated into rejection of the Dems ACA.

It's easy for Repukes to win. They have the filthy-rich on their side all the time. They buy, buy, buy buy up everything from propaganda stations, to the police unions, to right wing talking heads, to judges. They buy gerrymandering and voter suppression tools. Money is the life blood of capitalism and Repukes know they can buy most anything in this out of control capitalist economy.

But not Dems. When Dems win, it's to do something. America votes in Dems to make important social changes: Like FDR and the new deal, Like JFK and civil rights, like Carter and the Dept of Education and stronger Social Security and unfortunately, like Clinton and free trade.

[gopiscrap]

26. O Wow

that's my post! I didn't mean for it to go on air

[orleans]

27. you're famous today!

he even read your name
"gop is crap"

[Celerity]

37. What happened to you is one of the most fucked US healthcare series of events I have ever heard. You are a great

human to plow through all that shite!

[reACTIONary]

56. When I read it I thought about copipasta to my FB.....

.... but I'm sure this gave it much wider coverage than my three or four high school chums.

[Pepsidog]

29. When I was 18yo I voted for Reagan and then Bush. As I grew older and began to learn about the differences btw Dems and

Rs I became much more informed and matured. Much of this evolution came from listening to Thom on the radio through Sirius. Thom’s foundational arguments make a lot of sense and help you wipe up the floor arguing with the crazy uncle.

[Bonx]

35. I didn't realize he was still on the radio

Or is it one of those online social media thing shows?

[Clouds Passing]

47. Free Speech TV. Local progressive radio station, if you have one.

https://freespeech.org/watch-live/

It’s free to listen and watch live if you have an Internet connection.

[lonely bird]

49. Also Sirius XM

He is on progressive talk channel 127.

[Clouds Passing]

50. Thanks 😊

[Meowmee]

40. Which post was it?

Good to know. Ty

[orleans]

41. i put a link to the post in the op nt

[Meowmee]

46. I must have missed it ty..I replied to that one too.

[Mr.Bee]

51. Thom Hartmann is the one

everybody should be watching and listening to, rather than anything on cable TV.

[Vogon_Glory]

55. If that's so, he's welcome to borrow from my posts

As far as I’m concerned, anything I post here on DU is public domain.