The only thing I can see that is a possible positive

[UpInArms]

regarding a terrible criminal act of murder … is that the dialog has changed. Today, there are discussions about the disparity of healthcare costs … anthem blue shield has reversed their decision about limiting anesthesia treatments …

People’s horror stories about medical bankruptcy are being heard.

I am sorry that someone had to die to for all the other deaths from a thousand paper cuts to be exposed.

This is the first hope that I have experienced in weeks.

[elleng]

1. Thanks.

I think you're correct.

[magicarpet]

2. The United States Supreme Court is normalizing lawlessness.

They did not conceive that eventually it would cause blowback in our society ?

[Irish_Dem]

3. Exactly. There is no rule of law for rich white men.

It is legal for the greedy billionaires to kill, maim, torture, cause injury and pain, scam, lie and cheat.

And draconian laws for the rest of us.

It is now a crime to save the lives of dying women.

The SC is corrupt and lawless as well.

Chickens coming home to roost.

[DontBelieveEastisEas]

7. Do you consider prison time, "rule of law"? If so, I can find examples of it for "rich white men." nt

It is not, "legal for the greedy billionaires to ... torture".

Using money as a punishment is the ultimate disparity under the law. It virtually does put rich people, of all colors, above the law.

[Irish_Dem]

9. I can see you have never worked in healthcare.

Where you see the billionaire insurance companies torture Americans to death.
Refuse medication, surgery, treatment so they die a horrible and painful death.

Or teenagers denied mental health care and end up killing themselves.

We witnessed a career criminal commit crimes right on TV.
We saw his trials, witnesses and evidence.

Not only are all charges dropped but he is allowed to scam his way into the WH
and install a criminal cabal to lead the country.

Sure we have rule of law. NOT.

[DontBelieveEastisEas]

13. I think I get your meaning.

All countries refuse medication, surgery, treatment; there just are not enough resources to put 100% effort into all treatments.

You could say, that by not investing trillions in cancer research, we are allowing millions to have much greater suffering in the future.

[Farmer-Rick]

24. No, most countries don't deny medically necessary needs

In most universal healthcare systems, there is a process where the sickest get priority treatment. Triage is the process of prioritizing patients for care based on the urgency of their needs. Certain not health related niche medicine may be denied in some countries, like facelifts for age or by-pass surgery for weight loss.

It's not as if a national healthcare system decides to implement a badly designed AI system where 90% of initially denied medical services are eventually approved. This is done in an effort to aggravate the sick and dying, making them less likely to appeal and save money.

It's not as if single payer systems routinely deny preexisting conditions or decide that surgeries that go too long will be done without anesthesia all to simply save money.

There is a direct path of cause and effect between what the CEO of a healthcare insurance corporation does and the death, permeant injury or suffering of one of their customers who pay them to provide medical care. While the cause and effect between a scientist not getting funding to do research on cancer and a person dying of that cancer is far from direct.

[DontBelieveEastisEas]

25. Let's say there is some special treatment that costs 10 million dollars, that increased your chances by 10%.

I believe that 10% increase of chances is necessary. I think all countries deny that.
State the country that you want to use as an example of one that doesn't deny a medically necessary need.
And I will argue that the latest and greatest treatment, the kind that a person like Steve Jobs would get, is not provided by that country.

State your example country so that I can go to work to try to prove my point.

[alterfurz]

27. "Laws are like spiders' webs...

...which, if anything small and weak falls into them they ensnare it, but the large and powerful break through and escape." -- Solon, ca. 600 B.C.E.

Same as it ever was, only now even more blatant.

The law, in its majestic equality, forbids the rich and the poor alike to sleep under bridges, to beg in the streets, and to steal bread. — Anatole France

[Irish_Dem]

29. Yep. Human nature never seems to change for the better.

[Skittles]

4. when even so-called progressives are A-OK with executing people on the street

you know things are getting dire

[GenThePerservering]

5. You keep repeating that delusion

give it a rest.

[Skittles]

6. IT'S NOT A DELUSION

people are savoring a STREET EXECUTION......suddenly gun violence is POPULAR!

[TBF]

17. You've posted this several times and honestly it's really rude -

why are you disparaging so many on DU?

I thought the OP put it really well. From what I saw yesterday most people were astonished with the murder of Scott Thompson. It definitely has sparked needed conversation, but no one asked for this event to happen, esp. on DU.

[Skittles]

18. I am pointing out

that excusing street executions for any reason is NOT a good idea (replying to magiccarpet)

there is nothing RUDE about that

OVER AND OUT

[TBF]

20. So when you said:

"when even so-called progressives are A-OK with executing people on the street you know things are getting dire"

you weren't referring to progressives on DU?

[womanofthehills]

22. It shows you the degree people have been harmed

52,000,000 covered by UHC
32% claims denied

He made 20,000,000 a yr - company way over made 389 billion last yr.

His company denied people inhalers, mammograms, surgery, meds etc etc - people hate that company.

Many say their loved ones died because of treatment denied.

Now people feel sorry for the killer and hope he’s never found. This says a lot about our healthcare. It sucks!

[magicarpet]

8. Doctors and edical personnel make comments about the shot insurance executive having brought the wrath of the public,...

... saying his rampant denyal of coverage brought the shooting upon himself.

Comment section was shutdown.

■○■○■○■○■○■○

Moderators Delete Reddit Thread as Doctors Torch Dead UnitedHealthcare CEO

Doctors in one of the Internet’s top medical communities have turned on the murdered UnitedHealthcare (UHC) CEO Brian Thompson in such brutal fashion that Reddit moderators deleted a thread on the killing.

The moderators of r/medicine closed the thread, posted Wednesday after news broke that Thompson was shot dead outside the New York Hilton hotel in Midtown Manhattan, after it racked up over 500 replies.

The commenters overwhelmingly criticized—and satirized—the insurer’s alleged denial of coverage to sick and dying Americans in order to juice profits.

The top comment, which received hundreds of supporting upvotes from other users, mocked UHC’s notorious track record for refusing to pay out insurance claims and is written as a lengthy, spoof rejection letter from the company.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/medical-subreddit-deletes-thread-unitedhealthcare-155829903.html

[Skittles]

10. criticizing a track record is one thing

condoning street executions is entirely another

[magicarpet]

14. The USSC, the NRA, the media, the GOPee Senate,...,... all nornalizing

.... gun violence and lawlessness gift wrapped in the Fascist package of the Nazi Orange Menace all brought us here to this blazing inferno point.

Nobody anticipated gun violence blowback ?

Here we are,... our nightmares are about to come to fruition. American Democracy about to be stomped out, the parade of Christo-Fascist Nationalism - American Nazi Republican Party will begin as the new substitute and permenent replacement for our brand of governance.

Project 2025 - Nazi Manifesto will usher in our new tomorrows.

[Skittles]

15. oh yes I see it too

it is just so very disturbing

[womanofthehills]

23. Actually- people online are saying they are sorry he died a quick death

They wanted him to suffer like their loved ones denied care by his company suffered.

After Blue Shield said yesterday that they would not pay for anesthesia if an operation went too long - people posted online the photo of the woman running the company. The company reversed their new policy fast. Sad it had to get to this but if our gov won’t provide national healthcare- they need to review the policies of these evil companies.

[ancianita]

16. It's not just "people." No one's okay with the nation's murder rate of "people." Which is why it's gone down

at least under Biden.

It's a rich CEO of the biggest healthcare (that profits from denied health or care coverage) system in the nation.

Only then do corporate allies call it murder when one of them is killed for the deaths they've worked to profit from.
Only then is one particular CEO's killing treated a national "moral" scandal.

Many of us hope they prosecute the killer to the fullest extent of the law.
Many of us also know that CEO had it coming to him.

[Skittles]

19. thank you

yes indeed

[Meowmee]

12. Good points

I don’t think it’s going to change much though. Hopefully I’m wrong. Especially not with the new reign of terror taking over soon. I consider what is done with healthcare denial to be murder also in many cases. Still do not approve of his demise but if it was the cause of the motive for murdering him, I could understand why that person felt that way.

[ForgedCrank]

21. The problem is

that only lawmakers could even do anything about it, and they are in on the whole thing

[Sailingdiver]

26. and the assholes at BCBS

Cited "massive misinformation" as the cause.

Fuck them.

[tenderfoot]

28. Don't count on it. Our media will find a way to make sure that doesn't happen.

They'll make it about the patient and how they should have taken better care of themselves.