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mopinko

(72,051 posts)
Sat Dec 7, 2024, 08:38 AM Dec 7

if you're turning off msm, a suggestion.

subscribe to your local paper instead. support your closest npr station.

lordy do i miss the days when the chgo tribune kept it’s opinion out of the news, and had bureaus all over the world. they had some awesome reporters. there was a show on the local npr station, wbez, ‘worldview w sandra gair’. it was so good, and she regularly had the big trib writers on. such great convos. (she had the best guests, in general. her son was the producer of nightline.)
about the time she passed, the trib started closing bureaus and slanting the news. they also got rid of nicole hollander’s sylvia comic strip. that was the last straw. so i switched to the sun times.

but it’s been ages since i got a paper. the s-t is now a non-profit, part of wbez’s corp, i believe. i signed up for a monthly donation yesterday. i’ll toss a few bucks to wbez, too, as i have many, many, many times. i used to listen all day, now it’s mostly in the car. but i check their website pretty often for local stories.

what i’m trying to say is- msm has been captured. we all know we need lefty sources. but we also badly need local papers, no matter the slant. and they’re going under at a high rate of speed. so unless your local paper is a total rw rag, consider subscribing. it they lean the wrong way, write ltte’s. push them.

but if we want better media, those of us who can afford it, must support it.

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if you're turning off msm, a suggestion. (Original Post) mopinko Dec 7 OP
LOL, the local paper here is just like Fox. They may run some AP stories, but the editorials work to undermine them. dem4decades Dec 7 #1
I used to get the Trib and Daily Herald delivered. Snarkoleptic Dec 7 #2
i am going to get my old shortwave set out and listen to real news. AllaN01Bear Dec 7 #17
I like my two hard copy papers Easterncedar Dec 7 #3
thinking about tossing a few bucks to the guardian, too. mopinko Dec 7 #27
Bumping into things is right Easterncedar Dec 7 #36
Turned it off in 94 Woodwizard Dec 7 #4
Haha, you got me beat!! InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 7 #29
The Washington Post is my local paper richdj25 Dec 7 #5
I do have a subscription to my 'local' newspaper, digital edition as the print copy is twice a week and useless Attilatheblond Dec 7 #6
If You Want Truth In Reporting Mr.Bee Dec 7 #7
Unfortunately, Susan Calvin Dec 7 #8
I cant do newspapers Mr.Bee Dec 7 #10
My local papers are all right wing and way more extreme than Mr.WeRP Dec 7 #9
All I can say to that is Mr.Bee Dec 7 #20
If the local paper truly is too far gone... Ndp5 Dec 7 #11
yeah, capitol fax here is a great source. mopinko Dec 7 #33
Options. joemacdawson Dec 7 #12
Haven't watched cable or msm news for yrs. Unfortunately, my local newspaper is very right. PortTack Dec 7 #13
Subscribe to Ground News if you want to see and read BOTH sides of a news story. There is a added feature "Blindspot"... usaf-vet Dec 7 #14
i listen to wcpt - heartland signal am radio and streaming online orleans Dec 7 #15
i wonder if there r any other air america stations that r still lefty talk. mopinko Dec 7 #37
i've been googling and i can't find ANY -- wth? nt orleans Dec 7 #39
My local newspaper has no rural route carrier Emile Dec 7 #16
I'm guilty of turning off MSNBC and haven't watched in a month oldmanlynn Dec 7 #18
I stopped MSNBC on election night leftieNanner Dec 7 #24
NYC-ers, a humble suggestion where to donate: no_hypocrisy Dec 7 #19
I write cbwrongblog Dec 7 #21
The Seattle Times leftieNanner Dec 7 #22
Great Suggestions! mtngirl47 Dec 7 #23
I agree. I did so with Denver Post and a few weeks later was asked to complete a detailed survey hlthe2b Dec 7 #25
My local papers are awful Charging Triceratops Dec 7 #26
Exactly. That's the problem That is why in my post I Mike 03 Dec 7 #32
Our local paper SARose Dec 7 #28
I agree in principle! Thank you. NT Mike 03 Dec 7 #30
Online neighborhood newspapers delisen Dec 7 #31
PBS too. SHitler's minions want to defund it. And check out Free Speech TV ... CousinIT Dec 7 #34
Good suggestions Pinback Dec 7 #35
I live in a deep red state in a deep red The Third Doctor Dec 7 #38
My local is the LA Times - I cancelled my subscription tenderfoot Dec 7 #40

dem4decades

(12,067 posts)
1. LOL, the local paper here is just like Fox. They may run some AP stories, but the editorials work to undermine them.
Sat Dec 7, 2024, 08:46 AM
Dec 7

I canceled my subscription to that one in September, canceled the Washington Post after Bezos put his foot on the throats of the editorial board, stopped watching the news after the election, and vowed to never watch Morning Joe again after they kissed the ring.

It's actually been somewhat relaxing. I know Trump is going to torture us, but I don't need to watch.

Snarkoleptic

(6,064 posts)
2. I used to get the Trib and Daily Herald delivered.
Sat Dec 7, 2024, 08:50 AM
Dec 7

Cancelled both in the late 90's when I began getting my news online.
I subscribed to the Trib again and my neighbors must think I'm nuts, but I've come full circle.

Frankly, I'm horrified at the reich wing media takeover and will be heartbroken if the Trib goes the way of LA Times.

Easterncedar

(3,694 posts)
3. I like my two hard copy papers
Sat Dec 7, 2024, 08:56 AM
Dec 7

The Maine one is now owned by the nonprofit trust for local news. The Niagara Gazette was joined up with other papers, so it’s more or less surviving. Both are actually well supplied with good columnists.

I also pay for The Guardian, the Philadelphia Inquirer (protesting Wapo, which I dropped), Wonkette and Daily Kos. And MPBN.

I share your position.

The news environment is changing. We need news we can trust.

mopinko

(72,051 posts)
27. thinking about tossing a few bucks to the guardian, too.
Sat Dec 7, 2024, 11:59 AM
Dec 7

way better coverage of american politics than nyt, etc.
it is nice to look through a real paper. u bump into things in different ways than online. maybe i shd get the sunday trib.

Easterncedar

(3,694 posts)
36. Bumping into things is right
Sat Dec 7, 2024, 12:33 PM
Dec 7

Our biases drive our consumption; it’s good to be exposed to other options on paper.

Woodwizard

(1,067 posts)
4. Turned it off in 94
Sat Dec 7, 2024, 09:00 AM
Dec 7

My local public radio and reading newspapers were so much less stress and better time management even back then.

richdj25

(195 posts)
5. The Washington Post is my local paper
Sat Dec 7, 2024, 09:19 AM
Dec 7

and since they moved to the right, decided move on, given my subscription expires in February 2025 anyway. Since moving on to overseas papers, like the Guardian, who are more comprehensible with their reporting, I've been at ease.

The thing about a lot of the papers here in the U.S. is they were bought up by billionaires, who are now at their whim and we know how quite a few of them are with controlling things to get their way.

Attilatheblond

(4,814 posts)
6. I do have a subscription to my 'local' newspaper, digital edition as the print copy is twice a week and useless
Sat Dec 7, 2024, 09:21 AM
Dec 7

My local paper account password is "fishwrap" if that gives any indication of it's usefulness to knowing what is going on around here.

Mr.Bee

(447 posts)
7. If You Want Truth In Reporting
Sat Dec 7, 2024, 09:48 AM
Dec 7

May I Suggest:
Thom Hartmann (who will also give you history of how it got this way)
Randi Rhodes
Farron Cousins
Rebel HQ
Brian Tyler Cohen
and get off TV altogether, MSM is TooFarGone.
You Can Do it. I cut the cord in 2008!
Like my parents taught me, TV people are there to make money.
But now they're there to steal your vote.

Susan Calvin

(2,163 posts)
8. Unfortunately,
Sat Dec 7, 2024, 09:57 AM
Dec 7

My local paper is pretty much a right wing tool. I did subscribe for a while not long ago, and couldn't stomach it.

Mr.Bee

(447 posts)
10. I cant do newspapers
Sat Dec 7, 2024, 10:11 AM
Dec 7

I don't know if it's an undiagnosed condition, but I can't do print in columns, I can barely do DU!

The newspaper company with the most daily newspapers in the United States was Gannett as of 2024, with 215 daily titles. Tribune/News Media Group, also known as Digital First Media and owned by hedge fund Alden Global Capital, ranked second with 77 daily newspapers. Through his company FoxNews Corp, Rupert Murdoch is the owner of hundreds of local, national, and international newspaper and publishing outlets around the world!
So, buyer beware of what you're reading!

Mr.WeRP

(678 posts)
9. My local papers are all right wing and way more extreme than
Sat Dec 7, 2024, 10:09 AM
Dec 7

They had been 20 years ago. The Trump admin will “delete” public media like NPR and PBS and they will exert control over anything and everything that remains. There will be no trustworthy media IMHO.

Mr.Bee

(447 posts)
20. All I can say to that is
Sat Dec 7, 2024, 11:20 AM
Dec 7

once gone, it may never come back, even with a Democratic government.
Did Clinton reverse the Reagan tax cuts? Did Obama? Did Biden?
Only Thom Hartmann will tell you the truth about tax cuts and who it affects.
Once Social Security and Medicare are gone, they're gone. They ain't coming back!
PBS? NPR? Free Speech?
Even a Democratic president would still have to fight the opposing politicians in Congress and even those in his own party, because politicians don't run this country, donors do. Selfish, greedy, Ayn Rand donors.
Elections have consequences. Somebody didn't 'teach their children well', as you can see by their wanting to 'undo'.
There is no undo.

Ndp5

(100 posts)
11. If the local paper truly is too far gone...
Sat Dec 7, 2024, 10:13 AM
Dec 7

And I don’t mean because you disagree with its editorials — they should have a wall between news reporting and opinion — but if it truly has abandoned useful reporting…

Then can people subscribe online to the daily of the largest city in their state? Or a statehouse reporting service, if their state has one? Those types of outlets are still hanging on, with some exceptions.

Because local newspapers badly need the support, and the decent ones are still the foundation of the news ecosystem, doing much of the original reporting that TV and online-only media outlets piggyback off of nowadays.

mopinko

(72,051 posts)
33. yeah, capitol fax here is a great source.
Sat Dec 7, 2024, 12:04 PM
Dec 7

i read them a bit when, cuz i have a couple friends in il politics who share them from time to time.

PortTack

(34,941 posts)
13. Haven't watched cable or msm news for yrs. Unfortunately, my local newspaper is very right.
Sat Dec 7, 2024, 10:26 AM
Dec 7

Good idea to support local news, make sure you know where they stand

usaf-vet

(7,094 posts)
14. Subscribe to Ground News if you want to see and read BOTH sides of a news story. There is a added feature "Blindspot"...
Sat Dec 7, 2024, 10:43 AM
Dec 7

.... which shows you additional information on any story that might be missed in Left-leaning coverage or Right-leaning coverage. https://ground.news/

Another excellent choice is The Guardian's UK and US coverage. https://www.theguardian.com/us

My dad spent his entire life (short of the USN WW II time). Working in local and regional daily edition newspapers.

When I was in high school in the early 1960s, he was insistent that local newspapers would fail if they didn't primarily cover local news but instead covered National and World News, often above the fold on page one.

The local news in this community is a perfect example of that. The local news coverage is abysmal, as it is not news when it gets reported a week later. Yes, they run the obits and the regional sports but only publish the printed version one day a week. Otherwise, it's an online version, leaving out senior citizens who don't have a computer.

The town also has a regional paper that is free and has made a point of covering local interest stories. It often looks at an old business that has recently had a "facelift." New owner, new location, longer hours, new and old services. Each edition features a local history that allows the "old timers" to reminisce about the old neighborhood store that has become the new home for a small business.

There are lots of pictures and submitted stories. There are also local sports, including a pool league, a dart league, and a school trap shooting league. In the winter months here in Snow Country, there is coverage of high school downhill skiing and snowboarding, as well as high school indoor sports, volleyball, and basketball.

mopinko

(72,051 posts)
37. i wonder if there r any other air america stations that r still lefty talk.
Sat Dec 7, 2024, 01:16 PM
Dec 7

i was on w jarovsky when my sister ran for dupage board.
lotta good stuff on college radio, too.

Emile

(31,322 posts)
16. My local newspaper has no rural route carrier
Sat Dec 7, 2024, 10:48 AM
Dec 7

and send the daily newspaper by US postal service. If we're lucky we would get Monday's paper by Friday, that's why we dropped our subscription.

oldmanlynn

(532 posts)
18. I'm guilty of turning off MSNBC and haven't watched in a month
Sat Dec 7, 2024, 11:16 AM
Dec 7

But I do realize that this is tanking the number of people that watch them and may cause them to go away I don’t know. There’s even discussion that Elon might want to buy MSNBC and CNN and turn them into Maga channels. So the biggest problem the Dems faced this past election was misinformation and not being able to get their message out above the misinformation. So it looks like this could continue unless the damn do something drastic

leftieNanner

(15,773 posts)
24. I stopped MSNBC on election night
Sat Dec 7, 2024, 11:33 AM
Dec 7

My mental health has been suffering because it's 24/7 Trump. I miss Rachel and Lawrence, but for now, I need to take care of myself. Prozac can only get you so far.

no_hypocrisy

(49,455 posts)
19. NYC-ers, a humble suggestion where to donate:
Sat Dec 7, 2024, 11:16 AM
Dec 7

WNYC (http://www.wnyc.org)
and
WBAI (https://www.wbai.org) *

With any $200+ donation, you also get free theater tickets.

cbwrongblog

(2 posts)
21. I write
Sat Dec 7, 2024, 11:20 AM
Dec 7

I write a blog because I wanted to make a difference. It is hard to find ways to get people to read. I am just a regular guy and I think I write in a style that a regular guy would understand. I feel that the Democrats have been talking to us and not doing enough listening to us. https://cbwrong.blogspot.com/?m=1

leftieNanner

(15,773 posts)
22. The Seattle Times
Sat Dec 7, 2024, 11:30 AM
Dec 7

Is my newspaper. Still family owned and exceptional. Great in depth reporting.

mtngirl47

(1,109 posts)
23. Great Suggestions!
Sat Dec 7, 2024, 11:32 AM
Dec 7

NPR and PBS will both need donations going forward!

Three nearby towns have weekly newspapers that don't print national news or state news unless it affects us directly. They are great for community information, and I think that will be important to all of us in the new regime.

hlthe2b

(107,172 posts)
25. I agree. I did so with Denver Post and a few weeks later was asked to complete a detailed survey
Sat Dec 7, 2024, 11:52 AM
Dec 7

for their hard copy paper (for those reading it), their digital app, and their online website--as well as their online rendered newspaper version. While the survey was more about how they provided content, they did allow several options to critique whatever one wanted to comment on. And, I DID so in considerable detail as well as contrasting what they were doing better than NYT, WAPO, LAT, and a few others.

I guess someone reads it. But, I do get sufficient local news (and also subscribe to a front-range local paper via digital access only) so, I can attest to the value.

I just don't know what the business model will be in the future, though. All papers are having to dramatically drop the subscription price with one-year offers right now--hoping, obviously, that those subscribers will continue with the much higher regular price after that period. To me, it is invaluable and like public radio, and public TV, I think we should have subsidies--either Federal or state-based to assist in funding local papers and radio.

But, I guess I dream of a Utopia, because the R's intend to cut NPR and PBS at their first opportunity.

26. My local papers are awful
Sat Dec 7, 2024, 11:56 AM
Dec 7

Sports leads. Entertainment follows. News barely exists.
National and World News are either absent or pure AP. And you can't spell CRAP without AP.

Mike 03

(17,630 posts)
32. Exactly. That's the problem That is why in my post I
Sat Dec 7, 2024, 12:03 PM
Dec 7

wrote that "I agree in principle."

Not all local newspapers are worthy.

SARose

(972 posts)
28. Our local paper
Sat Dec 7, 2024, 12:00 PM
Dec 7

And the Houston Chronicle and the Austin American-Statesman are owned by the same corporation.

I read Al Jazeera, Jerusalem Post and a couple of British papers. Times of India, too.

We also watch BBC News occasionally.

CousinIT

(10,624 posts)
34. PBS too. SHitler's minions want to defund it. And check out Free Speech TV ...
Sat Dec 7, 2024, 12:13 PM
Dec 7

... which is also a non-profit, viewer-owned progressive news outlet. https://freespeech.org/watch-live/. DU member Thom Hartmann's show is GREAT!

Pinback

(12,921 posts)
35. Good suggestions
Sat Dec 7, 2024, 12:18 PM
Dec 7

I subscribe to my hometown paper, the AJC (mainly to support their resident genius Mike Luckovich), my NPR and PBS stations, and a few other outlets. I’ve contributed to Pro Publica for years and just added a paid subscription to The Guardian.

I cancelled my Washington Post subscription after the Bezos cowardly obey-in-advance move, too, btw. (My main regret there is that I’m no longer supporting Alexandra Petri.) And we’re watching very little TV news or punditry — mostly just the PBS Newshour, which is, relative to MSM outlets, a breath of fresh air. Also the BBC.

If your only window on the world is cable blab-fests, you might think U.S. electoral politics is almost the entirety of “the news,” except for the occasional disaster or outrage du jour. I like knowing what’s going on in the rest of the world (and this country).

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