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Arazi

(7,078 posts)
Sat Dec 7, 2024, 11:54 PM Dec 7

Iran's power structure has collapsed

Iran’s regional strategic construct has collapsed. Between what has happened to Hezbollah, Hamas, and now Assad, the multiple proxy structure is but a bloody memory.

Despite the uncertainty over Syria’s future, Iran’s carefully cultivated influence operation is seriously fractured. I can’t wait to read the post-mortems.

Reading reports that Israel is moving into Syrian towns adjacent to the Golan Heights right now… things are moving extremely fast

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Iran's power structure has collapsed (Original Post) Arazi Dec 7 OP
That is so true. applegrove Dec 7 #1
good. i know it is nowhere near as unstable as Assad's government, but Takket Dec 7 #2
I agree! Anything is better than that Ayatollah Supreme Leader shit.... LeftInTX Dec 8 #6
Pissing away decades of treasure in Syria and Lebanon, a broken-backed economy at home . . . hatrack Dec 8 #3
Sounds a lot like the trajectory of the US post 2001 newdeal2 Dec 8 #4
LOL denbot Dec 8 #10
They've been trying to be amateur Putins for a long time... until this year it worked. paulkienitz Dec 8 #5
Winning! JoseBalow Dec 8 #7
And Trump is solidly on the wrong side of history. BradBo Dec 8 #8
As a Persian Gulf Iranian Hostage Crisis veteran.. denbot Dec 8 #9
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Dec 8 #11
Wait... AloeVera Dec 8 #12
Yes. On Bluesky there's reports and photos of Israeli soldiers Arazi Dec 8 #13
Yes, I just read about the buffer zone this morning. Thanks. AloeVera Dec 8 #14
Last night there were just reports of Israeli troops on the move Arazi Dec 8 #15
Israel doesn't want most of Lebanon. Igel Dec 8 #17
Agreed, Israel isn't interested in Lebanon. This is about Syria Arazi Dec 8 #18
Now reports of Israel bombing Syrian arms depots Arazi Dec 8 #16
One thing is for sure, this is not an organic uprising of the Syrian people, unlike in 2011. AloeVera Dec 8 #22
Things are lining up perfectly for TSF to take credit Ursus Rex Dec 8 #19
Not sure about that tbh Arazi Dec 8 #20
I'm not feeling good that the middle east is in turmoil right when idtiot takes power lindysalsagal Dec 8 #21

Takket

(22,664 posts)
2. good. i know it is nowhere near as unstable as Assad's government, but
Sat Dec 7, 2024, 11:59 PM
Dec 7

Iran's government deserves every bit of death they have coming to them, someday.

hatrack

(61,194 posts)
3. Pissing away decades of treasure in Syria and Lebanon, a broken-backed economy at home . . .
Sun Dec 8, 2024, 12:26 AM
Dec 8

And they'll move boldly into the future by . . . tightening restrictions on womens' hair and clothing, apparently.

Yeah, that'll work.

newdeal2

(1,135 posts)
4. Sounds a lot like the trajectory of the US post 2001
Sun Dec 8, 2024, 12:35 AM
Dec 8

Granted they were already further behind in terms of economic might and freedom.

Response to Arazi (Original post)

AloeVera

(2,013 posts)
12. Wait...
Sun Dec 8, 2024, 02:28 AM
Dec 8

You are reading reports that ISRAEL is "moving into" Syria? By moving in you mean an invasion?

Wow, nobody saw THAT coming, no sirree.
Nobody heard Netanyahu recently say he was remaking the Middle East either, no sirree.

Sarcasm, of course.

So who is behind those priorly-Al Queda affiliated "reformed" terrorists, er rebels?

I expect to see Syria carved up between Israel and Turkey. God help the Syrian people, who've already suffered enough.


Arazi

(7,078 posts)
13. Yes. On Bluesky there's reports and photos of Israeli soldiers
Sun Dec 8, 2024, 10:15 AM
Dec 8

In a “captured” town in Syria.

I have no official confirmation of that but Israel’s has made no secret of the fact they want a larger buffer zone with Syria…

https://bsky.app/profile/ww3info.bsky.social/post/3lcsiq7oep22p

Arazi

(7,078 posts)
15. Last night there were just reports of Israeli troops on the move
Sun Dec 8, 2024, 10:44 AM
Dec 8

This morning there’s apparent evidence those reports were accurate.

You may be right Syria gets carved up between Israel and Turkey. It’s at least as plausible as it becoming an Islamist state - or maybe some rump remnant of Syria remains intact in some way…

🤔

Igel

(36,230 posts)
17. Israel doesn't want most of Lebanon.
Sun Dec 8, 2024, 11:16 AM
Dec 8

It's worried about its own security and establishing control over a large group of antagonistic Arabs in areas where Israel would have scant to no historical claim or political justification would be a Very Foolish Plan.

Turkey is neo-imperialist and can easily exert the same kind of satrapy-control over the Islamist group that Iran did over Syria, does over Iraq and its militias, Lebanon and Hezbollah and even, to some extent, over Hamas and the "oppressed" Houthis. As for the group in Syria seizing power, it is Islamist, no matter how you slice it--some play nice and are nice, some play nice for a while until they can afford to play rough, some are just harsh from the get-go.

Not that in "neo-imperialist" the "neo" is either completely meaningless or means something like "covert" or "less obviously tyrannical". But a lot of empires just have specific ends in mind and don't need assimilation, absorption, colonization, or other optional trappings of what we think of as canonical empires.

Arazi

(7,078 posts)
18. Agreed, Israel isn't interested in Lebanon. This is about Syria
Sun Dec 8, 2024, 11:33 AM
Dec 8

And the Syrian buffer zone…

I don’t think anyone can predict what Erdogan will do. He was funding some of the militant groups who just ousted Assad so he’ll definitely be involved in how things play out going forward.

Arazi

(7,078 posts)
16. Now reports of Israel bombing Syrian arms depots
Sun Dec 8, 2024, 11:01 AM
Dec 8

Airports and military bases…

They ain’t waiting around today. Guessing they see a prime opportunity to destroy Syria’s military capabilities in this vacuum … smdh. Crazy times. Big question is if Turkey lets this go on

AloeVera

(2,013 posts)
22. One thing is for sure, this is not an organic uprising of the Syrian people, unlike in 2011.
Sun Dec 8, 2024, 03:26 PM
Dec 8

That uprising was hijacked by Western interests in "regime change" and toppling Assad, aided by the Arab monarchies. Other than destabilizing Syria through a long civil war and impoverishing its people, exiling, killing and displacing them - it didn't work out too well.

There is so much to unpack with Syria's recent history, such a tangled web of competing interests and unholy alliances and funding of Islamist terror groups in the service of long-sought "regime change".

Saw the video of Netanyahu on the Golan Heights today. He certainly looked gleeful and happy - of course he's making hay with the opportunity. Even before this, Smotrich was talking about expanding Israel to Damascus - but he talks a lot. What is curious, though, is that just a few weeks ago, the UN force reported breaches of the ceasefire agreement in the Golan buffer zone due to Israeli construction of roads, ditches and fortifications on the Syrian side. So I'm not convinced that Israel had no hand in what has transpired.

There is one glaring fact that can't be denied, say what you will about Assad and I agree he was brutal dictator. However, he was a nationalist, he was Syrian. He managed to protect Syria from further Israeli encroachment on its territory. For 50 years he protected the Syrian Golan. Now, within hours of his toppling, Israel is in Syrian territory and bombing its capital, degrading its military assets.

So who exactly are these rebels and "opposition forces" and who are they actually serving - I'm not convinced they are serving the interests of the Syrian people.

Ursus Rex

(295 posts)
19. Things are lining up perfectly for TSF to take credit
Sun Dec 8, 2024, 11:45 AM
Dec 8

… and then promptly throw it all away to save Putin.

Arazi

(7,078 posts)
20. Not sure about that tbh
Sun Dec 8, 2024, 11:50 AM
Dec 8

Trump has a strong alliance with Netanyahu. He’s going to let him seize whatever he wants imo.

And Turkey won’t take shit from Trump to allow Russia back into what they think is “their” sphere of power. Now that Russia is dislodged, I can’t see Erdogan letting Putin back.

Really hard to predict tho. Lots to ponder 🤔

lindysalsagal

(22,446 posts)
21. I'm not feeling good that the middle east is in turmoil right when idtiot takes power
Sun Dec 8, 2024, 01:03 PM
Dec 8

I expect idiot to do something blatantly helpful for vlad. We'll see if the entire GQP nods in approval.

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