The media is targeting US birthright citizenship

[erodriguez]

Trump has vowed to subvert the constitution and deport Americans and strip them of their citizenship.

The media has decided to frame this in the terms that white nationalist Trump wants. Their are headlines saying "Trump to end birthright Citizenship." Quoting Trump saying "it's got to end' as if he is reasonable. They are running articles pointing out the Trump family hypocrisy that they used birthright citizenship.

FUCK THAT.

They need to state is as I put it above.

Trump to deport Americans and strip them of their citizenship.

[JohnSJ]

1. What the SC decides on this on this will be a good indicator just how quickly our Democracy will be destroyed. That the

executive branch wants to take-over the job that lies in the legislature where amendments to the constitution can get repealed, is the path to autocracy, and the willing sheep that make up this country allowed this to happen is a disgrace.

[Magoo48]

38. Fuck the willing sheep. What is our best course of resistance?

[JohnSJ]

40. So far I am not particularly impressed by some of the Democrats in Congress who seem too willing to NOT to fight.

[Silent Type]

2. trump said recently he "would TRY to end it." Someone must have told him a Constitutional

Amendment is required.

[AllyCat]

14. I don't think he cares. In his fluffy little poo-brain,

He thinks he is the law. He is going to do what he wants, SCROTUS, will say he can, and our MAGA congress will cower before him and Muskmelon.

He doesn’t care about the constitution, amendments, or law.

[Silent Type]

15. Supremes won't give him a chance to violate what is explicitly written in Constitution. Not

much room for interpretation on this one.

[AllyCat]

19. I wish I had your optimism.

Supremes have already shown they don’t care. And that he can do whatever he wants.

[70sEraVet]

24. Supremes can insist they are 'originalists', and thus all Ammendments....

are suspect. They would happily return us to a time when only white, land owning men could vote.

[Silent Type]

26. They COULD, but highly unlikely they will.

[Aristus]

58. All except the 2nd, of course.

SCOTUS right-wingers DO love their vacations on gun manufacturers' yachts, I bet...

[TBF]

35. The "Supremes" aren't going to do shit against Trump.

They have made that abundantly clear.

[Walleye]

3. I don't think the media should report anything. Trump says. Chances are very, very good. It's a lie.

So they think that’s their job now to just repeat Trump’s lies?

[BadgerKid]

4. Is the intention just denaturalization

Of immigrants? Otherwise i believe the 4th Amendment protects against deporting US-born citizens.
I feel there’s a sort of irony in that he claims, in effect, that immigrants cause crime, yet there is no talk about deporting J6 perpetrators.

[erodriguez]

5. No the intent is to deport the American children of the undocumented

[FakeNoose]

12. Their plan is to end the "anchor babies" dilemma

When a family of undocumented immigrants gets into the country, and they manage to have one baby on American soil, THAT baby is given American citizenship.

Prior to the presidency of Chump, those entire families were allowed to stay in the US as a means of keeping families together. Now that's no longer the case, the families are being split up without regard to their rights. The next step in Chump's evil plan is to deny the citizenship of the "anchor babies." We'll see how far he gets with this.

[haele]

34. Lately he's been implying that the undocumented family members either leave -

Or the whole family goes.
Some of his ramblings have indicated that he's been informed that separating young children from undocumented parents is a really bad look, especially since there are still young children missing from the last family border separation move and rumors that some supporters of his administration involved with contracts to care for those children and "lost track" might have been profiting from adoption services for them -i.e., human trafficking.
Sorry for the convoluted sentence.

Haele

[TBF]

36. Is he going to start with his own family? nt

[Deep State Witch]

48. Let's Talk About All of Those Russian Kids

Let's start by revoking the US citizenship of all of those children from Russian women who fly to the US to give birth. They usually stay in the Miami area, especially at Trump-owned properties. They give birth in US hospitals, so the kids are automatically US citizens. I'd rather revoke them then the children of hardworking Hispanic immigrants.

[FakeNoose]

51. Yes it's definitely abusing our system, and the Russians are doing it blatantly

However they are far from the only ones who are doing it.

We need a "holding tank" area where immigrants can be held outside the country while their paperwork and citizenship is being researched. I'm not talking about a prison - I mean something like Ellis Island of the 19th Century. The immigrants must be held separate while their paperwork is being researched. Once they get into the country, they disappear immediately with relatives and friends helping them.

[Baitball Blogger]

6. The thing that is totally shocking, is that everyone assumes he means it's only going to apply to

those with latino American heritage. That's the true sign of racism. And I guess the Latino Americans who voted for Trump are too stupid to realize that they missed an opportunity to stand together to end this nonsense.

[Deep State Witch]

49. My Friend's partner is Ukrainian

He's a naturalized citizen who emigrated from Ukraine. She's very worried that his citizenship will be revoked.

[Baitball Blogger]

50. Our government's Constitution stopped working for us, the day that less than 50% of those who voted, voted

for a felon who had no respect for the Constitution.

[2naSalit]

7. The media...

Is NOT on our side.

[LymphocyteLover]

8. the media continues to traumatize us with this sort of inflammatory BS

[Beachnutt]

9. On day 1

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[Emile]

10. C-SPAN Washington Journal is talking about this now.

[AZLD4Candidate]

11. We already did that. Research the "Real Jobs for Real Americans" Act

Hoover deported over a million naturalized citizens.

[Tickle]

17. Really? I'm surprised but thank you NT

[70sEraVet]

32. I did look that up.

Some depressing reading.
https://www.history.com/news/great-depression-repatriation-drives-mexico-deportation

[FemDemERA]

53. Thank you, 70sEraVet, for the link

[dlk]

13. They are targeting the Constitution

This is how far they have fallen into the hands of our enemies.

[lark]

16. tsf also employs crews of undocumented folks, why isn't he arrested and they get deported?

Oh yeah, rules and laws are only for the working class/poor - the rich are above the law if they aren't Democrats.

[mopinko]

29. he has also had many of those 'birth tourists' stay at his properties.

remember a story in his 1st term about wealthy russians doing this.
it is a thing. i had some tenants from nigeria, and they got paid a few k to let others stay w them to have a baby. twice.

[LiberalArkie]

18. If they get rid of the birthright citizenship. The people without it should not have to pay into Social Security

or Medicare as they will not be able to use it. This would create a massive pool of employees that the employers do not have to match the Social Security withholding or the Medicare.

[LittleGirl]

21. Everyone pays into SS and Medicare if they work for a legitimate business

Why shouldn't they get that money back? I'm sorry but maybe you don't understand that you have to work at least 40 quarters in the US to get SS and Medicare paid back to you. Otherwise, it's gone. My husband is naturalized and he has not worked the 40 quarters yet. He pays a high percentage of his income in taxes and to say he shouldn't quality for those benefits is unfair. Not only that but for the past decade, we've had to file our taxes from abroad and received no benefit from those tax payments from foreign income. No highway usage, no kids in schools, etc. It doesn't matter where you live in the world, the US is the only country in the world that makes you report your income when you don't live in the country. How about ending that b.s. that only hurts the working stiffs in the world and not the billionaires.

[DFW]

37. I have been fighting a mostly lonely battle for many years.

The USA and Eritrea are the only two countries in the world that do not recognize residence-based taxation.

The Democrats Abroad are fighting for it, too, but getting nowhere, like me. Any American like me whose job is US-based, but whose residence is abroad usually gets doubly hosed. In addition to full German taxes, for example, I pay US taxes as well. My SS is taxed higher in Germany than it would be in the USA, and muchnof my US income that is taxed in the USA is taxed again in Germany. The Germans want to tax my Roth IRA again, too.

[LittleGirl]

42. We really get the axe from being citizens abroad.

Considering me a traitor for not living in the US (I moved back this year) just sticks it too. I've followed you for a while DFW. I respect your service to our country and the amazing ability you have at languages. I lived in Germany for nearly 3 years (2007-2009) and Switzerland from 2014-2024. In between is when we lived in the states and he almost got the 40 quarters but not quite yet.

[DFW]

56. I started working full time with my outfit in 1975, and didn't formalize my residence move here until 2011

So, I have put in my time in the States. At least I get something for all those U.S. taxes I paid in, even if Germany gets to take half of it. On that small matter, at least, Germany and the USA are in agreement--the country of residence taxes the Social Security payout (of course, I'm still paying in $10,000 a year, too. It sucks that Germany gets to take 50%´of my benefit, where the USA would be taking 85% of 39.6% (or whatever the max rate is in the USA these days). But at least they aren't trying to take over 70%, which, between the two countries, they are trying to take from most of my current income. Plus, when I made my Roth IRA conversion, I paid the full U.S. tax due on the full value at the time, following the rules to the letter. Under US law, that meant that, after the conversion, if the value went down, too bad for me, I couldn't take a deduction, but if the value went up, then good for me, since the government says the same rules apply: they consider whatever it's worth as tax paid in full. I made the conversion when the Dow was 7800 (Cheney-Bush recession). Obviously, at today's 44000+, the value of the Roth IRA has gone way up. The two governments just have different attitudes toward the Roth IRA. The USA says, "you paid your taxes in full, whatever it's worth now is yours." Germany says "we don't care what the USA or the Double Taxation Treaty says, we will take half of any distribution you take out."

I made the Roth conversion when I was still a full time US resident, so the Germans have no claim on my Roth IRA. Except they say, well, we want half of that, too. I'll forego whatever fun I might have had with that money and leave it to my daughters and grandchildren before I leave it to a bunch of German bureaucrats who, besides giving me NOTHING in return, will only use it to pay for their chauffeur-driven limousines and six week paid vacations. They said they will only tax any distributions when I take them out of it, which have, of course, been zero. Luckily, since I'm still working, I don't need any of it to live on. I consulted a German international tax specialist about the Roth IRA, and he suggested I move back to the USA for a year and a day, so I can take the payout and the Germans would have no claim on it. But I would go nuts if I had to spend a full year (or even most of it) back in the states, when my life and my job is here. At age 32, that might have been considered a sabbatical. At age 72, that would reek of retirement, something I am not yet prepared to do.

Where did you live in Switzerland? I was just down there for a few hours today, meeting with the guy from my office there. He has been with me since 1984. I can hardly believe it. He was 37 then. He's 77 now. But like me, he doesn't see any sense in retiring and sitting around doing nothing all day. He inherited the house he lives in, which is within the city of Geneva, from his dad. He could never have bought it outright, Swiss real estate prices being what they are. But he has no financial worries. Like me he is only terrified of boredom. We met up in Zürich today, since the only flight from Geneva back to Düsseldorf is currently at 9:00 AM, which would have given me the time to step off the plane from Düsseldorf, say hi, and turn right around and hope the security line wouldn't make me miss the flight. Luckily, he thought nothing of making the three hour drive from Geneva to Zürich, and then the three hours back. But since I had to get up at 4:15 in the morning to make the early flight from Düsseldorf to Zürich, I had nothing to laugh about, either.

[LittleGirl]

57. That mess is why I'm glad my spouse handles all of our retirement accounts

In the UK, DE, CH and US. He has spreadsheets. We lived just outside of Basel. In Germany we were near Stuttgart. I was there last week. My spouse’s CH residency permit expired and they wanted all of our biological data again. Photo, signature and thumb print which was new this time. We’re good until 2029. We have a property there we’re going to rent until we sell in 2028. Biggest mistake buying that place. I don’t miss it. I just couldn’t learn the language. I begged to come back here.

[DFW]

59. Alemannic is a challenge alright

Otherwise known as "Schwyzerdüütsch." I'm OK with Basel or Zürich dialects. Get out in the hinterlands like Bern or Interlaken, and it gets harder for me. Get out to Chur, Appenzell or Uri, and I start to cry for help, too. Even my colleague from Geneva threw in the towel long ago. He's OK with English or Italian, but Schwyzerdüütch might as well be Uzbek to him.

I have only one retirement setup. I have the Roth IRA and a 401k which I can't access until I stop working. If I stop working, I figure I'm dead within a year, and won't be able to enjoy much of anything I take out of that 401k anyhow. That's relatively small to begin with. It's different if you have two million dollars in there. I don't, unfortunately. Other than the Roth IRA and the 401k, I have a jumble of some stock, some gold coins, and a savings account back in Dallas. I also have tiny sliver of my company which is frozen colder than Greenland's last surviving glaciers until the company is sold, which I probably won't live to see. If I do, then I can afford--what? No mansions in Beverly Hills, no private planes, so, what, then? I'd probably invest in a private recording studio and make music, or something. Maybe commute to Atlanta and play on more sessions with The Freedom Toast? I briefly fantasized about a house on Cape Cod. My sensible wife stopped that one cold. "A house we won't see for eleven months out of the year, but have to pay taxes on 12 months out of the year, pay for upkeep and renovation, and might fall into the ocean if the winter storms get too violent. Are you out of your mind?" Well, I may well be that, but I have been cured of looking to buy a house on Cape Cod. We'll just keep on keepin' on. It's worked out for us so far, anyway.

[LiberalArkie]

43. Oh I totally agree. I just have a problem with the fact that a person is forced to pay into something that they will

never benefit from it.

[IronLionZion]

20. A lot of folks think it will impact someone else

way too many people don't think they'll be impacted.

[Jughead]

22. It's just s diversion

This immigrant deportation is all just a big diversion so meanwhile Trumps swamp creatures can rob America blind.

[k55f5r]

39. It's all about the Bitcoins. Chris Hayes had it right.

we are going to sit back and watch the most venal, corrupt villain ever to come near the WH steal our treasure.
The country will be bankrupt like any other Rtump business.
And the republicants will be crying on Fux how it's all the Demonrats Fault and start a campaign to burn liberals at the stake.
The night that donnie dicko was first enshrined in 2016, my wife said "It's a good time to be white"
And now It's a good time to be White and a Male.

[erodriguez]

44. No no. It going to happen and they are going to rob America

[Cosmocat]

46. this

nm

[Blue_Tires]

23. Fine, Donnie can start with all the white folks first

Beginning with his own worthless kids...

[VGuerra276]

25. How about the constutution

The 14th amendment guarantees birthright citizenship. How does he intend to get around that? And why isn't the media talking about it?

[mopinko]

31. he'd like to repeal all of the 14th amend.

and the other reconstruction amendments.

[Elessar Zappa]

52. He can't just repeal a amendment.

It’s a huge process that won’t get past the beginning stages.

[mopinko]

55. oh, i know. but

i wouldnt put it past him (them) to find a way.

[bucolic_frolic]

27. Media has no birth certificate, they are not people, they are corporations.

[Jit423]

28. Media once again obeying Trump in advance. nt

[lostnfound]

30. More projection and hypocrisy. Russian 'birth tourism' -- according to The Week, at Trump condos

https://theweek.com/speedreads/748344/russian-birth-tourists-are-flocking-miami-trump-condos-give-birth-american-citizens

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/birth-tourism-brings-russian-baby-boom-miami-n836121

https://www.pbssocal.org/shows/to-the-contrary/clip/ttc-extra-russian-birth-tourism-trump-properties-qj0wgl

Last time, his railing against birthright citizenship drove up interest in Russian birth tourism, with the agency flooded with calls.

[onecaliberal]

33. So Melanie and her anchor baby.

[JustABozoOnThisBus]

41. No, they're white. They can stay.

Trump has standards.

[onecaliberal]

45. All those brown people pissed at the white immigrants are not gonna be happy.

This is why they voted for the convicted felon child rapist.

[love_katz]

47. Agolf Twitler wants to repeal the 14th amendment because he wants to avoid prosecution for January 6th.

Not saying that the racist phuck isn't doing it to hurt brown people and give a thrill to his vile base.
However, the amendment contains some crucial language about how persons who "have engaged in insurrection against the United States ", or have provided " aid and comfort " to those who have done those things, that person is not eligible to run for nor occupy the offices of President and Vice President of the United States.

He is trying to make sure that the courts can never prosecute him for January 6th.

[Johnny2X2X]

54. "The Media" is now synonymous with "The Ruling Class"

I think it's something the resistance can shift the narrative with.

We have rulers in this country, they installed Donald Trump into power. Trump is the leader of the ruling class and he's appointed other members of the ruling class to help run our government not for the benefit of the people, but for their own benefit.

The idea that the media is separate from the ruling class is what's got to go. The media is owned by billionaires and they control what we are presented. The differing view points are really just to give an illusion that there are sides to the media when really the media is just dpoing the bidding of the ruling class in different ways. The media isn't screwing up by normalizing Trump, they're doing exactly what the ruling class told them to do.

So the ruling class has decided to normalize doing away with birthright citizenship, probably as a way to distract us from something else that is worse.

[usonian]

60. Wait till they go after Caesarian births.

Just to make you forget about "birthright".

Do I get to choose which country? I've got languages to learn.