Sen Fetterman on gunman: "He's the asshole that's going to die in prison. Congratulations if you want to celebrate that.

[Dennis Donovan]

Sahil Kapur
John Fetterman on Luigi Mangione and the online reaction: “He’s the asshole that’s going to die in prison. Congratulations if you want to celebrate that. A sewer is going to sewer. That's what social media is about this. And I don't know why the media wants to turn that into a story, just with these trolls saying these kinds of things anonymously like that. I don't know why that's news. Remember, he has two children that are going to grow up without their father… It's vile. And if you've gunned someone down that you don't happen to agree with their views or the business that they're in, hey, you know, I'm next, they're next, he's next, she's next.”
5:47 PM · Dec 10, 2024

Link to tweet

[ColinC]

1. Hes got a point. The one person to bring 24 hour attention

To the mass murderers in the healthcare industry is going to die in prison, while the far worse criminals continue to literally make a killing -and too rich to probably care about even when one of them is murdered.

[onecaliberal]

2. We will see.

[Hellbound Hellhound]

3. Until the next one. Gods willing. n/t

[TheProle]

13. Yep. This guy... fuck him... he'll die in prison

As for whether voters and their representatives will work to reform healthcare within the legal system of the United States remains to be seen.

If Congress just keeps taking Big Insurance money while merely paying lip service to reform, nothing will change.

But if half the energy spent on online love letters to Luigi was spent on legitimate protest and activism, maybe something could.

But to be clear, despite the obstacles, there is a legal path to healthcare reform.

[ColinC]

20. Primary season for congress isnt too far away already.

Perhaps folks should be thinking about challenging the recipients in both parties who receive the most donations from health insurance companies.

[TheProle]

22. Damn straight

[ColinC]

25. Opensecrets suggests there is plenty of room for improvement for both parties.

[Autumn]

47. That is exactly what should be done. We have written, we have begged, we have protested and all we get

is M4A or public option will never, never happen. Make it clear to the politicians that they give us Healthcare or they go away. .

[ColinC]

48. DUers should run for office

Hint hint -shrug shrug

Edit: Or is it hint hunt nudge nudge? You know what I mean! 😆

[Emile]

4. Who said if you can't say something nice don't say nothing at all?

I don't think it was Fetterman.

[Hassin Bin Sober]

6. No pardon recommendation?

I forget, what was the body count on J6?

[WhiskeyGrinder]

7. man what a peach

[brush]

9. Did the stroke change this guy's personality? He's no longer...

the likable person we thought we knew before.

[WhiskeyGrinder]

12. No

People just bought what he was selling until he didn’t need to sell it anymore.

[brush]

16. Gess so. His staff/social media people created a persona that wasn't him at all.

All the videos of him interacting with governor, was it? Seems like bait and switch advertising.

[Butterflylady]

78. No, I'm sorry, he wasn't like that when he was Lt. Governor.

That's why I voted for him.

[BeerBarrelPolka]

80. I

I had a stroke one year ago and I'm still the same miserable asshole I used to be. Nothing has changed. Seriously, I may be depressed of course, but my personality hasn't changed.

[brush]

89. That tells me what I need to know about him. Keep being who you are.

[BeerBarrelPolka]

92. Thanks

But he may have reacted to the stroke differently. Plus, I have no idea what meds he's on. But a personality change is some serious issues. He has seemed to recover from his stroke already (I have not) so that's good news for him.

[RobinA]

125. I Didn't Have A Stroke

a year ago, and I am becoming a miserable asshole all on my own. I'm hoping retirement will help.

[leftstreet]

10. Is he okay? n/t

[modrepub]

11. Well Good Luck Finding A Jury

That won't have at least one sympathizer who may hold out.

Sorry Senator, but the sandwich you gave me has sh-t in it and I don't plan on eating it. But you're welcome to if you want.

Sorry, I'm out of Fs to give. Thoughts and prayers.

[sop]

154. Voir Dire will be interesting:

Prosecutor: "Have you, your family or anyone you know, ever been delayed or denied by a health insurance company?"

Prospective juror: "Hasn't everyone?"

He's going to run out of peremptory challenges real quick. Good luck finding a jury.

[tritsofme]

14. Fetterman 2028!

[Autumn]

59. For president? He doesn't stand a chance.

[Alephy]

67. Lol

[Hellbound Hellhound]

15. The good Senator persecuting this man publicly without a fair trial might well be grounds for a mistrial.

It'd be exceptionally unfortunate if someone were to declare a mistrial because a popular public figure tried to sway a jury without due process.

[Omnipresent]

151. This!!

[Progressive dog]

17. Good for Fetterman

Anyone who supports vigilante killing should be ashamed. That kind of evil destroys civilization.

[Hellbound Hellhound]

21. That kind of evil MADE civilization. Just to be historically clear. n/t

[Progressive dog]

27. Sure it did, in your imagination.

Civilization is based on the rule of law where people come together to protect each others' lives and properties.
Savage killers are not and never were part of it except to tear it down.

[Hellbound Hellhound]

30. Civ is based on the powerful and wealthy subjugating and dominating others, killing those who opposed them.

What, you think the Sengoku period of Japan was just flowers and unicorn farts? The Soviet Revolution? The American Revolution? War of the Roses? French Revolution? Korean War? Vietnam? Desert Storm? Operation Praying Mantis? D-Day? I'd continue to list off EVERY FUCKING WAR AND CONFLICT IN HUMAN HISTORY but I'm pretty sure you couldn't read most of them.

Violence solves everything. Every single advancement in human history has been, or is, the result of violence and bloodshed.

[Progressive dog]

36. So the Japanese would have been better off by

just killing everyone they didn't like? Is that what you are saying.?
Of course civilizations still have sick people who kill others and even some who justify it.
There are even people who pretend to be civilized but think they can kill because they have a reason.

[Hellbound Hellhound]

37. They DID kill everyone they didn't like. And we killed more of them back. WE WON. Violence shut them up.

Just like the Germans, just like the Italians, just like the Homo Sapiens did to the Neanderthals. Violence has been a part of our DNA since day one, and the winners move on.

They're killing millions of us. We kill ONE of them and suddenly all the bootlicking shaftsucking pickme fanboys crawl from the woodworks to defend the oppressors, hoping for a crumb or two, a dollar here, a quarter there.


We saw this in Abolition times. Lines are now being drawn, and some people make their position clear. Didn't end well for the Confederate side last time, either.

[Progressive dog]

43. During abolition the north chose to defend the Constitution,

They did not attack the south to free the slaves, the south attacked them. The north fought back to maintain the Constitution. John Brown was tried, convicted, and executed by our civilization.
BTW There is no proof that Homo Sapiens did anything to the Neanderthals. There is proof that many Europeans carry some Neanderthal genes. You have even less proof (yes less than none) that these imaginary others are killing any of usnd you won't find any, either.

[Hellbound Hellhound]

44. Good lord, you're actively using "They used violence for good!" as an excuse to forgive violence?

Okay, fine; Luigi used violence for good. See? Boom, he's innocent, let him off.

Nine Hells, twenty years ago, Junior High debate club was easier.

[Progressive dog]

49. My god, you don't understand

the difference between being attacked and being the attacker

[Hellbound Hellhound]

50. So we should have just taken Pearl Harbor and been done with it? N/t

[Progressive dog]

52. Who is this we?

That is incredible. Japan tried to destroy our civilization using violence. We had an absolute right to defend ourselves.
I guess in your world violence is always good and I think that is well past just wrong.

[Progressive dog]

116. That's why you call it civ

A civilization is any complex society characterized by the development of the state, social stratification, urbanization, and symbolic systems of communication beyond signed or spoken languages. Civilizations include features such as agriculture, architecture, infrastructure, technological advancement, currency, taxation, regulation, and specialization of labour.
There is nothing about violence in the definition of civilization.
That definition is from wikipedia.
You know you are not talking about civilization so you call it civ.

[Cirsium]

114. Rule of law?

Where does that apply?

[Progressive dog]

115. I sure don'tm want to

live in a society where the law is whatever the criminals say it is. Two wrongs do not make a right. They are just two wrongs. There is no perfect society or government, spitting on it is not the way to make it better.

[Cirsium]

117. You already do

That was my point.

The law locks up the man or woman
Who steals the goose from off the common,
But turns the bigger robber loose
Who steals the common from off the goose.

The law demands that we atone
When we take things we do not own,
But leaves the lords and ladies fine
Who take things that are yours and mine.

The poor and wretched don’t escape
If they conspire the law to break.
This must be so, but they endure
Those who conspire to make the law.

The law locks up the man or woman
Who steals the goose from off the common,
And geese will still a common lack
Till they go and steal it back.

[Progressive dog]

118. Cute poem that doesn't even

rise to the level of an anecdote, much less data.
How many people get locked up for stealing one goose?

[Cirsium]

119. Cute poem?

That lyric is from the 1700s and refers to the Enclosure Acts in Great Britain that drove the common people off of their collective farming villages and into the cities, where they were an easily exploited labor force for the industrialists.

Much of our modern social, political and economic reality can be traced back to the global influence of the Enclosure movement; modern notions of "private property," wage labor, urbanization, industrialization, unsustainable agriculture, privatization and on and on. The movement is closely associated with colonialism and imperialism.

The Theft of the Commons

As a visitor from the age of private property, it seems remarkable to me that commoners held rights to land they did not own or rent, but, at the time, it was commonplace. In addition to common pasture, commoners were granted rights of pannage, of turbary, of estovers, and of piscary—rights to run their pigs in the woods, to cut peat for fuel, to gather wood from the forests, and to fish. These were rights to subsistence, rights to live on what they could glean from the land. In the course of enclosure, as written law superseded customary law, commoners lost those rights. Parliament made property rights absolute, and the traditional practice of living off the land was redefined as theft. Gleaning became trespassing, and fishing became poaching. Commoners who continued to common were now criminals. An entire legal history is told in the four lines of one anonymous English poem:

The law locks up the man or woman
Who steals the goose from off the common,
But lets the greater villain loose
Who steals the common from the goose.

...
Commoners were “rough and savage,” according to eighteenth-century rhetoric. They were lazy. Their practice of sharing land was “barbarous,” and their economy was “primitive.” They had an inexplicable preference for using their free time for sport, rather than for paid labor. Their defenders argued that commoners were in fact industrious and self-sufficient. “What defenders saw as hard work and thrift,” the historian J. M. Neeson writes, “critics saw as squalor and desperation.” But everyone agreed that commoners were independent, in that they did not have to work for wages. And everyone understood that the enclosure of the commons would force commoners to become wage workers, and that this would cost them their independence.
...

What we do not still have—what we have lost—is common rights. These rights once limited the reach of private property, and when the balance of rights shifted toward those who owned property, this wrong was felt by both the common people and the land. In one poem, Clare writes in the voice of a plot of land, and the land itself is nostalgic. “There was a time my bit of ground / Made freemen of the slave,” it remembers. The land feels the loss of the people who lost their rights to the land.

https://www.newyorker.com/culture/essay/the-theft-of-the-commons

Enclosing the English Commons: Property, Productivity and the Making of Modern Capitalism

In a nutshell, enclosure was the legal mechanism which expropriated the commons (also known as common lands or waste lands) from England’s commoners, aggregated them and put them to new use. It revolutionised private property as a concept, largely introduced the concept of land as a commodity, and came to define the economic priorities of the last five hundred years. It catalysed the Industrial Revolution and English urbanisation. In terms of economic development, it was somewhat akin to the invention of the wheel, if rather more contentious.

Before enclosure, common land was the most common form in England: land on which anybody could grow food, graze cattle, sleep, eat and revel. After enclosure, more than half of the land in England fell under the control of single owners, who were free to do as they pleased with it. Other inhabitants had no other rights over it, besides in some (often interrupted) cases a right of way to move across it. There were two main ways in which enclosure was achieved. The first was informal enclosure, which occurred between 1450 and 1650 through a series of personal agreements within a village to consolidate plots of land. The second was formal enclosure by parliamentary act, not used until the 18th century. Parliament’s intervention was behind the majority of British land enclosed.

Enclosure does not strictly refer to the fencing off of territory, though it did almost always involve (and in many cases require) the introduction of a physical barrier, whether fence or hedge. Legally, what enclosure meant was that the rights over the land had changed. Commoners could not graze, draw water, or chop wood; landowners could consolidate, dictate, and develop.

https://globalcapitalism.history.ox.ac.uk/files/case26-enclosingtheenglishcommonspdf

Enclosure, Anti-Vagrancy Laws, and the Rise of the Urban Poor

The Enclosure Acts, a series of laws passed by the British Parliament beginning in the 12th century and ending only in 1914, were one factor in the creation of a class of people who moved to the city for work, but found there was little or none. Many times, even when they found work, the wages were not enough to support themselves or their families. Through the Acts, open fields and "wastes," plots of land known as "Commons" and traditionally used by "commoners" were closed to use by the peasantry. Open fields were large agricultural areas to which a village population had certain rights of access and which they tended to divide into narrow strips for cultivation. The wastes were unproductive areas—for example, fens, marshes, rocky land, or moors—to which the peasantry had traditional and collective rights of access in order to pasture animals, harvest meadow grass, fish, hunt, collect firewood, or otherwise benefit. Rural laborers who lived on the margin depended on open fields and the wastes to fend off starvation.

In other words, enclosure consolidates the ownership of land, usually for the stated purpose of making it more productive. The British Enclosure Acts removed the prior rights of local people to rural land they had often used for generations. As compensation, the displaced people were commonly offered alternative land of smaller scope and inferior quality, sometimes with no access to water or wood. The lands seized by the acts were then consolidated into individual and privately owned farms, with large, politically connected farmers receiving the best land. Often, small landowners could not afford the legal and other associated costs of enclosure and so were forced out.

Forced to leave their homes, with nowhere else to go, the former "commoners" migrated to the cities and swelled the numbers of the urban poor who would later work in the factories that powered the industrial revolution. Others wandered the land as homeless beggars.

https://jpellegrino.com/teaching/enclosure.html

Against Enclosure: The Commoners Fight Back

In Scotland, for example, enclosure didn’t begin until the mid-1700s, but then the drive to catch up with England ensured that it was much faster and particularly brutal. As Neil Davidson writes, the horrendous 19th century Highland Clearances that Marx so eloquently condemned in Capital involved not primitive accumulation by new capitalists, but the consolidation of “an existing, and thoroughly rapacious, capitalist landowning class … whose disregard for human life (and, indeed, ‘development’) marked it as having long passed the stage of contributing to social progress.”

And, of course, the growth of the British Empire, from Ireland to the Americas to India and Africa, was predicated on enclosure of colonized land and dispossession of indigenous peoples. As Rosa Luxemburg wrote, extending the “blight of capitalist civilization” required

“the systematic destruction and annihilation of all the non-capitalist social units which obstruct its development .… Each new colonial expansion is accompanied, as a matter of course, by a relentless battle of capital against the social and economic ties of the natives, who are also forcibly robbed of their means of production and labour power.”

That remains true today, when one percent of the world’s population has 45% of all personal wealth and nearly three billion people own nothing at all. Every year, the rich enclose ever more of the world’s riches, and their corporations destroy more of the life support systems that should be our common heritage. Enclosures continue, strengthening an ever-richer ruling class and an ever-larger global working class.

https://climateandcapitalism.com/2022/01/15/against-enclosure-the-commoners-fight-back/

[Progressive dog]

141. Maybe more nasty than cute

and based on nothing. That is about the UK and even it was ended in 1914 (I'll bet there is hardly anybody left alive who had anything to do with it).

[Cirsium]

142. Whatever

I don't really care if you read the articles I linked to or not. Educate yourself about this important topic or not, that's up to you.

"More nasty than cute?" What the hell is that remark based on?

"Based on nothing?" Extensive documentation exists about this.

"That is about the UK and even it was ended in 1914 (I'll bet there is hardly anybody left alive who had anything to do with it)."

Clearly you do not read anything I suggested, since has not "ended," nor is it just "about the UK ."

That was a pretty disappointing response from you.

[Progressive dog]

143. I only read the part you posted

which was all about the end of common lands in Britain. It was short (that's polite) on facts and not a word about why the law was put into effect. Nothing about whether leaving thousands of people working land that could not begin to feed them was a good idea.
It came down to living poorly working in a factory or 0not living at all.

[Cirsium]

144. You have lost me

I did my best to explain why I posted that famous historic poem, what it means and why it is relevant. I that is not of any value or interest for you, then I would suggest that you just ignore it

[Progressive dog]

145. It still makes no sense

The poem is no longer applicable. We are no longer just farmers. Your poem has lost any relevance it ever had.

[Cirsium]

148. Yes, I know

You don't understand it.

[Progressive dog]

150. No, it's not understandable.

[Cirsium]

155. No

I'm Spartacus.

[Arazi]

146. Profound. And the implications are stunning

I for one am grateful for this history lesson.

Thank you

[Cirsium]

147. Thank you

Glad someone got it!

[atreides1]

127. Civilization isn't based on law.

Civilization the stage of human social and cultural development and organization that is considered most advanced: "they equated the railroad with progress and civilization"

How many native peoples were killed or pushed off their lands when the railroads were built, and it was legal because of the law on the books at the time!!! Who protected their lives and properties?

[lame54]

85. He wants Trump pardoned...

Did any of the dead officers have kids?

[Progressive dog]

86. I'm curious about why you think

agreeing with Fetterman on one issue means I agree with him on all issues or even know where he stands. To me that is unrelated to what I posted.

[lame54]

88. It's very related...

He says how dare we excuse the actions of a murderer just after he excuses the actions of a murderer

[Progressive dog]

91. I'm not excuding any actions of any murderer

Is not reporting a hush money payment the same ad murder in your mind?

[lame54]

93. My mistake...

Although I think Fetterman is wrong to ask for Trump's pardon
I mixed it up with those dems asking for his pardon for Jan 6

[BeerBarrelPolka]

94. No mistake

Trump's inaction killed hundreds of thousands of people with Covid. He's a murderer in my book.

Plus...there's this one guy alone in his cell.....

[lame54]

95. I agree...

No dem should be calling for Trump's pardon from anything
They need to send a unifying message which they are not
They are rolling over

I just had my facts wrong in this particular exchange and wanted to clear it up

[BeerBarrelPolka]

96. I know

I was just butting in to support you. My apologies lame.

[lame54]

97. No apologies needed...

We both see the lack of dem leadership

[BeerBarrelPolka]

98. .

[delisen]

126. Pardon insurrectionist, pardon vigilante

Is there a difference?
Why would Fetterman support a pardon for one and not the other?

[Progressive dog]

137. Yes there is a difference

Vigilantes and insurrectionists are not the same. Neither are rioters and murderers.

[mountain grammy]

133. Yet, try as I might, I cannot find a Fetterman opinon on the Penny case..

Which I also believe destroys civilization.

[Progressive dog]

138. How is Fetterman involved in the Penny case?

Did I miss Penny being elected to the Presidency?

[mountain grammy]

139. He's not of course however

It’s a big deal in my opinion and I’d like to know. He seems to be commenting on current events. Whatever…

[Cha]

18. Whoa.. WHAT! How about TSF Going To "Prison" Instead

of being "Pardoned"!?

[Meowmee]

19. Yep

Apparently that is ok, after he murdered my father and millions more with covid. No justice there.

[Cha]

26. Ohh I'm So Sorry, Meowmee...

I can't believe Sen Fetterman wants Pres Biden to pardon TSF.!!

[Meowmee]

39. Thanks 🤗

I’m disappointed to hear him say that obviously and not totally surprised I guess because he was not the first and I’m sure there will be other D saying the same thing. I have lost faith in what they are doing now, not that I ever really had any before now anyway lol. Until the party recognizes that you have probably equal numbers of D that are beholden to insurance companies and things like that nothing will ever change. Pardoning orange psycho would be the worst thing they could do for so many reasons.

[Cha]

53. " Pardoning orange psycho would be the worst thing they could do for so many reasons."

I Agree, Well Siad!

[Cha]

55. PS.... And What About What's Going to Happen in

the Next 4 years?! Did the geniuses who want TSF "pardoned" Think of That?

[Meowmee]

56. Yes exactly

I think they’ve lost their collective minds, in my opinion.

[Wiz Imp]

101. He never said that. He said Trump should be pardoned in the case in which he was found guilty.

Biden has no power to do that. It was a state not a Federal case. He has said nothing about pardoning Trump for the Federal crimes he was charged with.

[Cha]

105. Yes I know it was a NY State Crime.. so Pres Biden

couldn't pardon TSF.

[Wiz Imp]

112. In other words. He didn't call for Biden to pardon Trump.

directly contradicting what you said in post 26.

[Dennis Donovan]

23. I haven't forgotten about that either

Sen Fetterman's suggestion that Biden pardon Trump.

[Cha]

31. It's the first thing I thought of...

I couldn't see past it. It means Everything..

After all the Laws he Broke & Shit he Pulled.. and he was responsible for getting people killed with his COVID DENIAL. and Jan 6 Insurrection..

[Wiz Imp]

103. He never said that. He said Trump should be pardoned in the case in which he was found guilty.

Biden has no power to do that. It was a state not a Federal case. He has said nothing about pardoning Trump for the Federal crimes he was charged with.

[bluestarone]

29. EXACTLY!!!!

We don't hear shit about that!!

[Cha]

34. TSF Did Much Worse than Luigi Mangione

and Fetterman wants him "pardoned".. Unreal!

And, no I'm not condoning the assassination. But when I weigh the Crimes... the Sick Fuck Doesn't get a "pardon".

[bluestarone]

38. Yea, when i heard that

I thought what happened him? He definitely changed.

[Cha]

51. Someone thought maybe he was Gearing

up for his next election in Gone Fascist PA now.... but still imo wanting to pardon TSF is Beyond that Pale.

Good Luck to Gov Shapiro!

[Wiz Imp]

113. The Hush Money case is much worse than murdering someone in cold blood?

That is the only thing Fetterman has advocated he be pardoned for.

[asm128]

24. That's rich, coming from this guy

I voted for and backed him, but, seriously, fuck this guy. Does he give a shit about the 68000 people that die every year due to denied care? Or for the immigrant that got stabbed in the street in NYC?

And vigilante? Wasn't he the asshole chasing down a guy with a shotgun?

I'm hoping we can replace him in the upcoming elections (2028 or whenever). He can't pretend to be progressive this time.

[biophile]

32. Pennsylvania went for drumpf this election

He might be pandering to the right to get crossover appeal. His term is up in two years, I think.

[Butterflylady]

82. His term ends in 2028. He was voted in 2022. Same as Shapiro.

[biophile]

90. Thank you for the correction

I was thinking he came in with Biden. I was a poll watcher when he won though and my precinct is reliably red. When they counted the final tally one of the poll workers said he was surprised at the number of votes Fetterman got in our little precinct. I thought to myself “Then won’t you be shocked when he wins!” 😆.

[Xavier Breath]

33. Rec.

[Silent Type]

45. Do you have a citation for that 68,000? I bet it's 68k uninsured, but lack of insurance is another matter.

In any event, voted for you on an “alert.”

[LeftInTX]

71. So vote for Oz if he runs next time!

Or if there's a Ted Cruz clone, I'm sure you will find him suitable!

Tired of Democrats getting bashed. Josh Shapiro is getting bashed. Surprised Biden isn't getting bashed. His press secretary used the same words that Josh Shapiro used.

I really wonder if anyone supports Democrats on here. Has any elected Democrat come out in support of the shooter?

Maybe this should be Green Party underground.

[Silent Type]

74. Still waiting for that citation on 68,000. Still bet it's uninsured, but will consider any citation, even from some

blogger making crud up.

[Butterflylady]

84. He never said he was progressive.

I don't remember if he said before his stroke or after. All I remember is I read it here..

[asm128]

87. He backtracked later

I don't have the time, but there are tons of tweets and interviews where he said he was a progressive, at least before he was elected.

[Shrek]

28. Liking Fetterman more and more all the time

[Celerity]

73. Big fan of a pardon for Trump? Do you, like Fetterman, think Trump's NY criminal case was politically motivated?

https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2024/12/05/pardon-hunter-biden-donald-trump-john-fetterman/76808578007/

Sen. John Fetterman, D-Pa., argued on Thursday that President Joe Biden’s son Hunter Biden and President-elect Donald Trump both deserve pardons after facing what he called “politically motivated” legal trials.

[Wiz Imp]

107. A Trump pardon for the NY trial would have nothing to do with Biden.

It was a state crime. The President has no pardon power of those.

[Celerity]

110. I am well aware of that.

[Omnipresent]

35. You know John....

You don’t have to keep sharing your opinions with us, you can simply shut the fuck up.
Can you at least do that for us?

[BeerBarrelPolka]

40. He's

He's just another in the now long line of cowards that shake in their boots over trump.

[peregrinus]

41. Hey Captain Sweatpants!

Nobody asked for your opinion.

[LizBeth]

42. Why would it be for life, for one murder cause gotta tell you, not hearing that sentence

for any other murder, ... ever. Or is it once again cause it is one of our special people murdered that is treated specially? 50'ish yrs for one murder? Sound right to you all?

[Meowmee]

61. Not sure, we haven't heard anything yet about the actual charges or have we?

[LizBeth]

62. So he needs to stfu. I say five yrs and 3 with good behavior....

[Meowmee]

63. You could be right. I don't really know anything about what the time frames are for different types of murder charges

Yes, you would think, considering his recent remarks about pardoning the orange psycho, he would have the sense to keep silent on this.

[SheltieLover]

102. 2nd degree murder & some weapons charges, last I saw

[Meowmee]

104. Yes

I think, as was stated in New York it’s only first-degree murder if it’s a police or something like that.

[SheltieLover]

106. Yes. I think we both read the same post or article. LOL

[Wiz Imp]

109. Mandatory sentencing in New York

New York
Offense

Second Degree Murder
Life (minimum of 15–25 years)

First Degree Murder (defendants under 18 cannot be charged with first degree murder)
Life (minimum of 20–40 years) or life without parole

Aggravated Murder (defendants under 18 cannot be charged with aggravated murder)
Life without parole

[Autumn]

46. Fetterman is such a nice guy, seems to really like people. However the children are usually the ones to .

be gunned down but they don't seem to matter. . Here in America.

[Kali999]

54. another entitled rich kid

Fetterman comes from money.

[Klarkashton]

60. "Don't agree with their views or the business they're in"

Spoken like a real live politician.

[mcar]

64. Sen. Fetterman is correct

I'm appalled at the progressive's response to this murder.

[SunImp]

68. Lol, what progressive is doing that?

Also why are you singling out progressives when the general consensus on this murder is apathy and that feeling transcends across party lines?

[mcar]

70. Lol read this site since the murder

The consensus is not apathy, it's glee. Over the murder of a human being.

I don't give AF about what hateful idiots on the other side are saying. I care about our community.

Celebrating the murder of a person is vile.

[Dave says]

65. I really don't like Fetterman

He seems simple-minded, vile, and angry.

(I suspect, after 22 years here, I might have my first banned post.)

[Paladin]

77. Others agree with your assessment.

Me, for instance.

[TheFarseer]

66. He's wrong

It wasn’t because the shooter disagreed with the CEOs views. He disagreed with his actions that kill who knows how many people and cause injury to many more. At least get that part right. I’m fairly disappointed with Fetterman and not just for this.

[Eko]

69. Kill one person, go to jail.

Kill thousands, get a bonus.

[Celerity]

72. Best post on the thread.

[JohnSJ]

76. He is absolutely right, and those celebrating this as those he is some kind of hero are really messed up.

[ThePartyThatListens]

81. This is some world-class virtue signalling homeboy is engaging in here

Hope he has enough spit left for Trump's boots.

[lame54]

83. Not asking for a pardon?...

This guy's all over the place

[The Unmitigated Gall]

99. Don't really give a flying shit what Fetterman has to say anymore. nt

Hope he can eventually be replaced by someone better.

[allegorical oracle]

100. All of Fetterman's stroke must've been covered by insurance. Good for him. nt

[pinkstarburst]

108. Fetterman lost the plot the moment he joined Truth Social

and my prediction is the next four years we will be treated to LOOK AT ME constant attention seeking obstructionist behavior a la Joe Manchin 2.0 before he announces he will be running for president in 2028 as a moderate who can win the rust belt and blue collar workers, then when he fails to get the nomination, will run as an independent and screw us all.

But I hope I'm wrong.

[Wiz Imp]

111. KAmala Harris & Gavin Newsome are both on Truth Social

SO I guess they are just treating us to "LOOK AT ME constant attention seeking obstructionist behavior" as well, right?

For the record, name one "obstructionist behavior" John Fetterman has engaged in since he became a Senator. I'll help you. You can't name one because there hasn't been any. Voicing an opinion you disagree with is miles away from engaging in obstructionist behavior.

[Blue_Tires]

120. It wouldn't be so stupidly ironic

If Fetterman took the same hardline view about Donnie's rampant lawlessness...

And what about Zimmerman, Rittenhouse and Penny? They're all celebrated as heroes by the right...

[Iggo]

121. I agree with the part of his statement that's in the subject line.

[valleyrogue]

122. He's right.

The only thing more disgusting than Mangione are the people who think it was okay he did it. All for the "cause," of course.

Despicable.

[Iggo]

123. They're both despicable.

Thompson was way more despicable, though.

But when it comes down to it, one asshole killed another asshole.

Fuck ‘em both.

[Trexmaster]

124. The senator from Brady

Senator Fetterman (alongside other esteemed senior politicians born n' bred during the Cold War) appears to be incredibly confident that the voting bloc, born in the immediate post-Cold War years and decades, will be insignificant for him.

Definitely an ageist, interregnum conflict, between generations going on that's not being overtly acknowledged. Moreover, the scope that's being intentionally brushed aside: a young man (definitely in his 20s) blaming a system dominated by Cold War generations that are still obsessed over controlling any smidgen of socio-political, economic, and enforcement power(s) and distrustful of those that will follow after them.
Definitely a counter-productive, antediluvian, collective mindset that institutions cannot ignore any longer, much less enforcement, military, political etc.

It'll be interesting when the tide turns, and how...

[marble falls]

128. Dies in prison or not, his life has taken a serious jog into the land of the seriously fucked up.

[Think. Again.]

129. Full version of 'Sicko'...

https://m.

[Autumn]

130. There are assholes and then there's assholes.

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Most of us can easily figure out which is which.

[Happy Hoosier]

131. Sure John, we should just meekly accept what our corporate masters decide for us.

So much for the "Champion of the Working Class."

What a disappointment.

[travelingthrulife]

132. I don't watch any television anymore and it is bizarre to see all this fighting

about topics like this.
It is the media making us fight. Stop watching it. They are directing our anger to make money.

Turn it off.

[PJMcK]

134. Okay but here's an alternative thought

If there is another would-be assassin out there, Mangione provided a rehearsal to learn from.

Luigi could have escaped had he stayed out of McDonalds and Starbucks and the cab. Every store, restaurant and business has hi-resolution cameras today and he needed to avoid them. Had he changed his appearance in Central Park where there aren’t many cameras and exited at the north end, he could have made his way to the bus station undetected. Why he then stayed in PA escapes me as I would have left the country for a week or two.

I don’t condone violence in spite of its ubiquity. Mangione was briefly a folk hero not unlike Bonnie & Clyde in their day. But he’s an alleged murderer. Do the authorities have enough evidence to prove beyond a reasonable doubt? His lawyer doesn’t seem to think so but time will tell.

Senator Fetterman has a good point but he’s a bit of a loose cannon, in my opinion. At least he caucuses with the Democrats.

It’s a fascinating episode but it’s not the way to change the health insurance business. That will take hard work.

[Orrex]

135. I won't weep for dead CEOs until tens of thousands have died due to corporate policy of denial

And then I won't weep so much as shrug and ask "is anyone surprised?"

[Voltaire2]

136. Did Fetterman have anything to say about Penny

and his being feted by Trump and Vance?

Just curious which murders he finds abhorrent.

[mountain grammy]

140. Exactly!

[DFW]

149. Gee, what a shame

I was hoping he was talking about Kyle Rittenhouse.

What WAS I thinking?

[Aviation Pro]

152. Or he's the defendant who will be the recipient of jury nullification

C'mon, big man, do better.

[delisen]

153. Fetterman not addressing the underlying issue

When does Fetterman make a strong statement about punishment for punishing executives who cause deaths by denying care in order to enrich themselves ?

[Pachamama]

156. Funny - I read that post title quoting Fetterman and I thought he was referring to the asshole named Donald J Trump

[Unladen Swallow]

157. I have no appetite...

...for folks who solve societal issues with violence, and especially murder.