Garland failed us again.....

[getagrip_already]

Dont even bother to defend him.

Barr's doj violated multiple laws and fbi policicies in wiretapping members of congress and their staffs.

Garland knew, and did nothing to prosecute or even investigate it.

No IG investigation. No new policies. Nobody fired.

That about says it all. F him.

[JanMichael]

1. But he would have made a great supreme Court Justice

Sarc

[Bluethroughu]

3. What is wrong with these people?

There seems to be an awful lot of people working in our government to do nefarious things or cover for those doing it.

[Baitball Blogger]

5. I am beginning to suspect this was common practice in the old days.

[TBF]

43. I can only speak to the 1990's - my time in Washington

working in law firms I didn't see a lot of illegal things, but definitely things that would give you pause. When you live in Washington awhile you notice that the long-term government workers really know a lot, as do the Senators who keep getting reelected. The folks that are in those roles know how to get things done and cut deals. And there are quite a few lawyers going back and forth between private industry and public service jobs. Folks live near each other, send their kids to the same schools, no matter which party they are. So, yes, a lot of "meeting before the meeting" type stuff did happen. I think in the old days there was also a lot more negotiation and talking going on just in general. I haven't been there for quite some time, so I don't know how it is now. There seems to be so much more animosity between the 2 parties, but maybe that's just a show for constituents back home.

[erronis]

24. They are human. And they are easily lured by money/power and/or threatened with blackmail/extortion.

There are a few people serving in government who have absolute integrity. Too few.

[Farmer-Rick]

34. Not just the lure of bribes and pay offs

But the nonstop, direct and threatening propaganda put out continually by Russian agents. I imagine they target people in power particularly. It isn't even mildly controlled. Putin is having a grand old time running hog wild on our social media, emails and corporate news.

[ThePartyThatListens]

68. They have no fight in them

And fighting is exactly what the doctor ordered for this time.

A new gen needs to take over.

I believe that's in the process of happening.

At least I HOPE so.

[Lonestarblue]

38. I'm not so sure. He seems to prefer sitting on the fence and never rocking a boat.

However, at least he would not have taken bribes like Thomas and Alito.

[RockRaven]

2. Institutions always cover their own asses rather than expose themselves,

even after leadership changes. Government, non-government, they all do it.

[edhopper]

4. But needed

To prosecute Hunter. Fuck that guy.

[bigtree]

6. he was literally in court when voters effectively cut his prosecutions short

...but no 'fuck the judges' or 'fuck the perps with their bullshit appeals' or 'fuck the Supreme Court maga majority'?

You're blaming the people who were actively prosecuting Trump, instead of the ones who actually delayed his prosecution until the election.

Weird flex.

[getagrip_already]

11. Really?

Name the case?

I call bs.

There was no case he was following along the lines of this issue.

There was no internal review. Nobody was fired. Nobody was prosecuted.

[Sewa]

18. The DOJ has been slow walking the Paxton

Investigators for 4 yrs and it will disappear when Trump takes over.

Try to defend that 🤮

[uponit7771]

40. Source? tia

[quakerboy]

55. Literally? Which court. What case?

I cant seem to find any evidence of garland being in any court on Nov 5 or 6th of this year.

That said.. 2024 was too late. If he'd literally been in court in late 2021, delays and appeals would be relatively dealt with by now. Instead the most relevant didnt even start till 2023, when it became clear he was running again. The timing, ironically, appears entirely political, and it seems pretty clear Garland would not have filed charges on him if Trump had done the traditional thing and quietly walked away from politics.

[bigtree]

56. Garland's prosecutor, Tom Windom, was presenting the government's responses to immunity claims before Judge Chutkan

...the same prosecutor who Merrick Garland tasked in the Fall of 2021 to investigate the WH finances.

He was one of the last prosecutors to argue before the judge IN COURT before voters effectively ended the case which was days before adjudication to proceed to trial.

...here:

Prosecutor Thomas Windom urged Chutkan to use the new indictment to handle all questions around immunity, including whether that covered Trump’s communications with then-Vice President Mike Pence or the former president’s outreach to private citizens.
https://rollcall.com/2024/09/05/judge-says-election-wont-affect-timeline-for-trump-prosecution/


___Thomas Windom, a little-known federal prosecutor who was representing the Special Counsel position today on the Trump protective order, is the man Deputy AG Lisa Monaco tasked in Fall 2021 to oversee key elements of the Justice Department’s investigation into efforts to overturn the 2020 election results - one of the first indications that Trump and his associates were under DOJ investigation.

NYT:

Mr. Windom, working under the close supervision of Garland’s top aides, had been leading investigators who have been methodically seeking information about the roles played by some of Mr. Trump’s top advisers, including Rudolph W. Giuliani, Jenna Ellis and John Eastman, with a mandate to go as high up the chain of command as evidence warrants."

"Mr. Windom’s second objective — mirroring one focus of the Jan. 6 committee — is a widening investigation into the group of lawyers close to Mr. Trump who helped to devise and promote the plan to create alternate slates of electors."

[quakerboy]

57. so, too little too late, and not literally at all.

Garland is the worst member of the biden administration. Narrowly followed by Dejoy. Unfortunate stains on an otherwise remarkably decent presidency.

[bigtree]

58. weird that you say nothing about the judges and judges who actually delayed the cases

Last edited Thu Dec 12, 2024, 11:49 AM - Edit history (1)

...and questioned my account of events, but didn't provide ONE receipt for the things you claimed.

The info I posted refutes all of what you claim.

Garland was investigating the Trump WH in the Fall of 2021. Not only that, he collected almost ALL of the evidence in the indictments and fought through his appointment of Smith until the end to make it available to the GRAND JURIES who the federal government relies on to make charging decisions, to the appeals courts, and to the judges who made decisions on whether to proceed on the indictments.

ALL of the evidence gathered since 2021 has gone through myriad appeals by perps and witnesses in several successive courts with dozens of often republican or Trump judges who set the dates of their hearings as far into the future as possible to keep trump out of court.

Weird that none of the blame here is being leveled at the actual ones who delayed the cases until the election, but at the people who fought to make it admissible in court.

As I posted, DOJ was ALREADY IN COURT when voters pulled the plug. And, in no universe is TWO historic multi-felony indictments 'too little'.

Divert to DeJoy on another thread. That's just bashing the Biden administration who you couldn't be bothered to capitalize here.

[ancianita]

60. Absolutely. Thank you.

[Klarkashton]

7. He's a professorial weenie guy. Pipe and elbow patches

In a walnut paneled office kind of nitwit.

[slightlv]

9. Hes a republican. Whalt would you expect... n/t

[LauraInLA]

32. I've seen that mentioned a few times, but I can't find any confirmation in various bios and articles

about Garland. Could you give me a source for his political registration?

[slightlv]

39. No, I've just seen it when articles have been written about him.

Since I *once* had a subscription to WP, I'm assuming those are the articles. I do remember seeing it multiple times, and in fact I want to remember that was one of the reasons Obama put him up for the SC. He thought he'd be able to get the okay on him, and not on one of our own party members. And then McTurtle just screwed everyone over, except the billionaires.

[LauraInLA]

45. Thanks; I'll keep looking and report ugh it's kind of moot. I found articles about Obama picking him as

a more conservative jurist, meaning he ruled more conservatively, not that he was an actual conservative.

[Karasu]

49. He's actually a registered independent, with a bunch of milquetoast do-nothing centrist views that only serve to aid the

right.

[Jit423]

8. Times like this when I wish Tish James or Alvin Bragg were AG

They have been tough on ALL criminals. Tish especially looks out for her state, NY and city NYC. You do the crime, she wants you to serve the time. She know how much Trump screwed over NY. Were politics in volved? Maybe but politics would not be involved if there had been no crime.

We need someone with guts like hers to lead the FBI and the Justice Department. IMHOP

[Silent Type]

10. Maybe Garland was concerned he'd have to do some similar wiretapping.

[getagrip_already]

12. If it was simililarly illegal....

Why would he be?

[Silent Type]

15. To catch crooks like trump, Gaetz, and a host of government crimes. But you have a point.

[NotHardly]

13. GARLAND is such a weak broke d*ck, it is just so dis appointed

[ancianita]

14. You don't know how the DOJ historically works.

AG's don't go after former AG's. They can but they don't.
Especially while they're trying to rebuild their current Dept of Justice and hire more competent Division enforcement teams to replace the political and incompetent ones Barr left behind when he suddenly resigned in December 2020.

The decision to investigate and prosecute a former AG has to be based on the strength of the evidence and whether a crime is believed to have been committed.
You act as if you knew there was evidence of Barr's criminality all along. You didn't. You don't.

Sure, investigating a former AG is legal, but pursuing charges against a former AG can be highly politicized due to the high profile nature of the position.

So now you decide the Biden administration should have endured a big political fight that Joe would have had on his hands right at the point of the Covid pandemic, all that while he had to hit the ground running to rebuild its supply chains covid broke, and an enduring economy.

Bitch slap Garland all you want, but your shoulda/woulda/coulda claims are nothing but weak hearsay hype.

[republianmushroom]

28. Protecting, because the one sitting does not want to be investigated when he leaves. status que

[Farmer-Rick]

36. "They can but they don't"

That's what Trump and Putin count on.

[ancianita]

46. It's about

DOJ norms that existed before Trump or Putin showed up. The fact that they are advantaged by systems in the country isn't the fault of the systems or those who make them work.

Any change our systems of enforcement should be because they improve justice for all, not because autocrats abuse them.

This too-late IG report isn't being used in such a way as to give timely notice to the DOJ's operations; what it seems to reveal is flaws in the IG system of timely information gathering so that flaws can be remedied in a timely way. I recall over the last 6 years that more than one IG hasn't done their job in a way that helps improve government. If Congress in 2022 revised the Inspector General Act of 1978, and the IG this time found no laws broken, criticism of the AG or the DOJ in this context are, once again, subjective and unfounded.

[Farmer-Rick]

59. If the system doesn't work, it most definitely

Needs to be changed and fixed.

"The fact that they are advantaged by systems in the country isn't the fault of the systems." Yes it is the fault of the system. When you go to war you don't just use bows and arrows because that's what has allows been used by the system. You use the latest most up do date weapons available. You fix the system to allow for up to date weapons.

It doesn't matter how long the system has been in place. When it allows for criminals to run rampent and destroy the foundations of democracy, it has become a broken system. And is not up to the task of prosecuting crimes against our democracy.

"Any change our systems of enforcement should be because they improve justice for all, not because autocrats abuse them."

I can't believe you wrote that without being aware of how broken that statement really is.

If autocrats can abuse our system then there is NO Justice For All. There is merely a set of rules that allow autocrats more privileges and power than all the rest of us.

Your arguments are illogical. But let's face it, the system is going to change now without a doubt. The idiots of capitalism with the help of Russian tax dollars and espionage from Putin, have taken over the system. IG reports, slow walking prosecution of sedition and treason, ignoring blatant election violations, it's all going to be changed to suit the Nazis and Russians.

Then you can argue with them not to change it

[ancianita]

64. Thanks for your post. I'll think on it.

The problem with fixing a "broken" system -- which it isn't, except at court scheduling, so-called 'due process' delays, and court enforcement levels -- is to assume that you can stop "rule of men" presidents (and their ideologically aligned legal teams) from eroding "rule of law" systems. If you know of anything they haven't thought of by now, and know how they can stopped, please share them.

[LymphocyteLover]

16. link to story?

[LisaM]

17. Would Biden have picked Garland if he weren't Obama's SC pick?

I don't think he would have. I think he would have found someone more forceful.

I think Garland was a very conservative choice for SCOTUS anyway, but he probably would have been fine there.

I am not saying I blame Obama, but I think Biden's sense of fair play led him to choose Garland and if we'd been lucky enough to have Biden for a second term, I think he would have chosen someone else.

[MadameButterfly]

21. Obama had to pick someone he thought Republicans would confirm

Biden didn't have to do that

[LisaM]

22. No, he didn't. I think maybe be thought we owed Garland something.

I think that he either trusted that it was a better pick than it was, or he was doing it in a kind of homage to Obama.

It also wasn't very evident at first that he was as poor a choice as he turned out to be. Why he slow walked some things and relentlessly picked on Hunter Biden will always be a mystery to me (well, unless he writes a book and something comes out). History won't look fondly on him now, and that's his own doing.

[MadameButterfly]

41. Doug Jones was an obvious excellent choice but

it would have inflamed the Right. Dems have to stop worrying about indignation and claims of unfairness on the Right since there is nothing we can ever do to please them. Though it may be a bit late to learn that lesson.

[Ranting Randy]

19. Garland is a Republican, if he was working for Trump how would his behavior be different?

[onecaliberal]

52. Nothing different. He went after Dems and let the coup keep going.

[Grasswire2]

54. why was this removed?

[republianmushroom]

25. Nothing, but protecting an ex-president and DOJ. the legacy of Merrick the Meek.

To political.

46 months and counting

[Rebl2]

61. Absolutely

[Escape]

26. Where's the full Jack Smith report ...

we were all talking about a couple of weeks ago? Has it been released yet?

[republianmushroom]

29. Were is Mueller's report un-redacted ?

[Escape]

35. Guess we just have to be patient...

I am sure Merrick will get those items checked off his list well before Biden leaves office.

[Rebl2]

62. Oh

yes he definitely will 🙄

[AKwannabe]

27. No. He didn't

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100219808790

[Beckett]

30. He's the worst

Wish Biden had picked someone with a spine, energy, and fight. Now look where we are.

[Cthulu on call]

31. His spine is a mushy wet noodle

Meaning there fact he can even walk is an amazing accomplishment.

[Rebl2]

63. Yep

[2naSalit]

33. Can he be held liable for...

NOT doing his job to protect the Constitution?

I mean, he's as bad a Barr FFS.

[bigtree]

65. so you want to bring a suit against him for not prosecuting Trump

...at the same time Trump's DOJ will be trying to hold him legally liable for prosecuting him?

This just gets more and more absurd with every projection and derision.

[2naSalit]

66. Um...

Where did I say that?

Timelines are important. I am pissed that Garland pissed away at least three years fucking off and NOT DOING HIS JOB THAT WHOLE TIME seems like a violation of the oath he took to uphold and protect the Constitution.

[bigtree]

67. it's untrue that he 'pissed away three years'

... and since it doesn't come with anything to back it up, it's supposition and not worth debating what's in your head.

It's demonstrably false on its face, and not worth the time it takes to show someone what DOJ actually did in those three years when they can just look themselves. You are either misinformed, or uninformed.

[uncledad]

37. "Garland knew, and did nothing to prosecute or even investigate it"

Yes, Garland and Blinken will go down as two of the worst cabinet heads in recent history. Garland completely bungled the Stump J6 investigation as well as all the bullshit Barr pulled while he was Ag. He also allowed a completely political prosecution of Hunter Biden to run wild. Blinken (with Biden's apparent blessing) did absolutely nothing to stop the genocide that is still taking place in Gaza, now Israel is grabbing land in Syria and still crickets. Those two fucked up Biden's legacy far more than the price of eggs!

[MichMan]

42. Biden appointed him and could have fired him any time

Why didn't he?

[BurnDoubt]

44. A Picture of A Duck???

Remember when Rudy was running all over town bragging about how he was in the New York office of the FBi "every day"? I'm sure there is compromat on all the players, including Rudy. If you can find the handle, you can turn it. "Gene, Gene made a machine. Hank, Hank turned the crank. Art, Art ........".--- OR--- "Everybody's got something to hide... 'cept for me and my monkey". This is how History is made. And Sausage.

[nowforever]

47. Garland

Will be remembered as a judicious spineless AG and Biden's most critical error in judgement.

[Xipe Totec]

48. Caspar Milquetoast on tranquilizers. nt

[HereForTheParty]

50. Stupid "gotcha" appointment

Only got put up to somehow get revenge on the MAGAts for denying him the Supreme Court. Joke was on us.

[Skittles]

51. at some point it just isn't failure

it is by design

I agree - F him

[uponit7771]

69. ☝🏾☝🏾☝🏾THIS !!!☝🏾☝🏾☝🏾

[Picaro]

53. Garland did exactly what he was tasked to do

If he’s an institutionalist he is tasked with preserving and defending the system.

He did that.