Senator John Fetterman is not among the 46 Democratic Senators asking President Biden

[Quiet Em]

to publish and certify the ERA.

He wants to NY to pardon Trump from his fraud case and he has joined Truth Social.

I was never a big fan of his but this is too much.

[Meadowoak]

1. Maybe he'll switch parties

[displacedvermoter]

12. They might insist he dress like a grown up, who knows?

[themaguffin]

25. No, they won't. All that matters is loyalty.

[Paladin]

2. Fetterman turns my stomach. (nt)

[Jit423]

53. I just think about all the sympathy and empathy I wasted on this guy who is doing more damage to people I love and

respect than Oz did. These kind of people drain the living human soul from you and make you want to cry or scream.

[Paladin]

57. Well said. (nt)

[Hekate]

3. Sources?

[Quiet Em]

5. Really? Ok

the letter

https://styleweekly.wppcdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/12/PastedGraphic-1.pdf

the Truth Social and NY pardon

https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/5034700-fetterman-trump-pardon-hush-money/

[dmr]

29. It's a DU custom to include a link to whatever is being posted.

The linked article or source helps the reader to understand and assess the post.

Sometimes we forget to add the source, that's why someone will ask for it.

It's just routine DU.

[Cha]

10. No problem with asking For

Sources..

Aloha Hekate 🕯️🕊️💙🇺🇸🌈

[Hekate]

15. Aloha back atchya. Hope you're doing okay.

I’m currently glad I was never blessed with granddaughters (news article posted here today about mothers and infants testing positive for drugs that the mother was given during labor and delivery) . And oh yeah, the Justice Department’s division that was once devoted to DEI is now going to be devoted to rooting it out.

Never really cared that much about Fetterman except as a fellow human, but he sure had a fan base here at DU.

[Butterflylady]

16. And I was one of them. Not anymore.

I can admit that and I'm sorry.

However, I think when he had the stroke, it changed him. It's a dam shame.

[Cha]

19. Doing okay, Thanks. I know the future

looks Bleak now.. but I always have Hope.

I know things can Change Dramatically

One thing I feel strongly about is Fighting Fascism.. Resisting TSF. Not Giving into Fascism.

🕯️🕊️💙🇺🇸🌈

[dmr]

30. What type of drugs during L&D?

Off the top of my head, I'm thinking Pitocin, along with an epidural.

Wonder why they did the study. Were there unintended side effects?

I guess I should Google it.

[Hekate]

43. Here it is at DU this morning

https://www.democraticunderground.com/10143354520

[dmr]

64. Thank you!

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On edit:
Good grief, I was not expecting this! This is devastating.

The hospital needs to, at least, review the patient's chart before calling authorities.

[Cha]

11. 🕯️🕊️💙🇺🇸🌈

Last edited Wed Dec 11, 2024, 04:22 PM - Edit history (1)

[Bettie]

4. If he wants to be a MAGA

he can't suggest women might be people with rights and stuff!

[Quiet Em]

6. Right? He certainly seems more concerned with appeasing MAGA men

than he does for Democratic women.

[W_HAMILTON]

7. He learned the wrong lesson from Casey's defeat.

His bending over to appease MAGA now is going to look especially stupid when the inevitable backlash to MAGA comes in the next couple of years, then he will be stuck trying to pretend like he was against them all along, while those of us Democrats that he needs for his base of support will not forget how he showed his ass.

I wouldn't be surprised to see Casey primary him and beat him, although I'm sure there are other very capable Democrats that could also challenge him.

[Cha]

21. That's really It... He's going OUT of his

Way! He must know how Upsetting this is to True Blue Patriots.

I agree with your Future Scenario.. .. Things can Change Dramatically and I think he's backing the Wrong Side of History.

Thank you🕯️🕊️💙🇺🇸🌈

[malthaussen]

45. If so, pretty stupid of him.

PA has historically had one Dem and one GOP Senator, reflecting the schitzoid nature of the State. Briefly having two Dem senators was an aberration.

-- Mal

[struggle4progress]

8. Fooba Wooba John

[Basso8vb]

9. He has not been the same since his stroke.

Time to primary him.

[jimfields33]

37. He's up for re-election in 2028.

[nini]

66. He lost his filters maybe, but he's always been this guy

I didn’t trust him at all.

[MadameButterfly]

13. He's the last person I would have expected to cave

to Trump. I'm so disappointed.

[ancianita]

27. Right?? I thought he was a working class progressive. What is going on with him?!

[WarGamer]

14. Abandon Moderate Rust Belt politicians and become a Coastal minority Party...

We just had an election... the evidence is right there.

[Quiet Em]

22. The Rust Belt States have their own unique issues,

but there is no evidence that those issues involve excusing Trump from fraud committed in New York State, posting on a right wing kook site, or women being considered unequal.

[Blue_Tires]

51. When rust belt moderates join up with the enemy, what's the point?

[Silent Type]

17. Does Biden have some reason to stall? I honestly don't know.

[SCantiGOP]

39. Because he can't do it

It would only be symbolic. Not enough states ratified it by the expiration date, and some states have since rescinded their approval.

[Silent Type]

40. Thank you. Sounds like people are giving him grief for something he can't do? Typical.

[SCantiGOP]

41. He could do it

There’s just close to a 100% chance that it wouldn’t pass judicial review, even at the lower courts.

[Silent Type]

42. Thanks again. Wouldn't accomplish much, if anything.

[Quiet Em]

58. Let's have this legal battle,

Many legal experts believe the Amendment is valid and should be implemented. There is nothing in the Constitution that prevents it. There is nothing to lose and so much to gain.

[Polybius]

70. Yeah, they're wrong

It was written with an expiration date, and it's happened before too.

It's a flaw in our Constitution that shouldn't even be necessary. Every Amendment needs an expiration date of 15 years max.

[Quiet Em]

71. There is nothing in the Constitution that puts expiration dates on Amendments.

[Polybius]

73. But there should be

And in the case of the ERA, there was.

[Quiet Em]

76. Completely disagree.

We are talking about human rights. C'mon, the Congressional compensation Amendment took over 200 years to pass. When 3/4 of States ratify it, it becomes part of the Constitution. The ERA reached that in 2020. Time to get it done.

[tritsofme]

79. Congress imposed no such expiration date on ratification for that amendment.

The subject “we are talking about” doesn’t change the facts.

[Polybius]

81. The 27th was pretty useless and a waste of effort

Waiting 200 years is absurd. What if 37 states passed the Federal Marriage Amendment in the 90's? Then all it would take is one state to still ban gay marriage forever. At least support states being able to rescind.

[tritsofme]

78. There is also nothing that prevents Congress from imposing such a date.

[Polybius]

68. Yeah, it expired n/t

[Xavier Breath]

18. Honestly can't say I'm all that shocked.

His tacking rightward was coming in drips and drabs, but it was in plain sight.

[johnp3907]

20. Shotgun John fooled a lot of us.

[PennRalphie]

23. Remember

Fetterman needs to get re-elected in a state that just went for trump. He’s definitely going to moderate.

[Quiet Em]

24. Trump is not moderate.

Bending over backwards to appease Trump is not moderate.

[PennRalphie]

26. Never said he was

He’s a right wing nut. But Fetterman is a smart guy. When he was a local politician here, he didn’t align with the more progressive politicians. He did a lot of good when he was Mayor of Braddock. He’ll do us well in the Senate. I trust him and most Dems to stop the lunacy we’re expecting the next 4 years.

Then, he has to win an election.

[Vinca]

28. Big mistake. MAGA voters want bona fide MAGA crazies, not appeasers.

[Karasu]

31. These "Good Germans" are far too stupid and self-centered to realize that.

[bluestarone]

32. So, i guess the real republicon Democrats are now

Stepping forward. To HELL with all of them!!

[Buddyzbuddy]

33. We're only as strong as our weakest link.

With Manchin and Sinema leaving, I guess Fetterman has taken it upon himself to fill their shoes. We supported you and we've cut you some slack but you've caused your base to doubt you. Too bad. Remember, you leave the dance with the one who [brung] you.

[Hope22]

36. He's going to need a primary challenger.

It really is sad to see him now. I hope he doesn’t have any other health issues but either way, it’s time to go!

[thebigidea]

48. but he hasn't done anything to hold up legislation. we can't even get any passed anyway

[Celerity]

54. I am keeping (have been for ages) my eyes on 'Pelosi-basher for years' ex House Problem Solver Slotkin as well.

She deffo has 'Sinema-without-the-crazy-fashion-sense' potential.

Sinema was a Problem Solver too, before she moved from the House to the Senate, and she worked with her ex House Problem Solvers mates (as did Manchin) to help gut over 5.1 trillion USD in new spend from Biden's 6.1 trillion USD new spend frameworks for both his infrastructure bills.

I was so disappointed that so many of the better (IMHO) candidates (in alphabetical order: Jocelyn Benson, Pete Buttigieg, Garlin Gilchrist, Andy Levin, Mallory McMorrow, Dana Nessel, and Gretchen Whitmer) did not run against Slotkin in the Democratic US Senate MI primary.

Whitmer and Pete may well run for POTUS in 2028, so that is likely why they declined (Pete also had only been a MI resident for a couple of years, since July 2022), and Benson will likely run for MI Governor in 2026 to replace Whitmer (who is term-limted). Given all that, I would have vastly preferred Nessel or McMorrow over Slotkin, but also would have preferred Gilchrist or Levin as well, granted to a lesser level.

[Hassler]

34. First Rule of Democrats: when one Joe Mansion walks out the door, another walks in. Wonder who'll be the new Simema?

[Dem4life1970]

35. Sounds like he had lunch with Joe Manchin

[GiqueCee]

38. The first question to ask is...

... "Senator Fetterman, what has Trump got on you?" You might ask the same question of Peter Welch. The Monday before the election, he said – rather too emphatically, I thought – that, sure, Trump is dangerous, but not to democracy! Wanna walk that one back a parsec or two, Pete?
Peter is one of my senators; the other, of course, being Bernie. I've met, and spoken with, both of them. Peter and I are the same age, and I've always liked him, but that remark disturbed me deeply.
It is common knowledge that Trump always, ALWAYS, keeps a dossier on every politician, especially every Democrat, in Congress. He learned that from his mentor, Roy Cohn. He undoubtedly keeps a pack of rats – excuse me, private eyes – on retainer to dig up dirt on every one of 'em.

[thebigidea]

49. that just sounds stupid. it's the state and the next election.

I'm so sick of this stupid blackmail conspiracy theory for literally EVERY SINGLE POLITICIAN

[GiqueCee]

59. If you had been paying any attention at all...

... you would know that it is not speculation, it is a statement of fact. That strategy was a favorite of Roy Cohn's from his days as an attack dog for Joe McCarthy's House Unamerican Activities Committee back in the early fifties. And he was, indeed, a mentor to Trump.
Do your homework, and then do the math.

[Autumn]

61. Why would the trump doj secretly obtain phone and text message logs of 43 congressional staffers and two member

of Congress in 2017 and 2018? Maybe you missed this from yesterday

https://www.democraticunderground.com/132136786

[republianmushroom]

44. DINO

[Red Mountain]

46. It's like a bad horror movie.....

whatever has infected Manchin for all these years has jumped bodies now that he's leaving. Manchin is now making noises about term limits for Supreme Court Justices.

Fetterman is starting to sound like Manchin.

It seems to prefer Republicans (the number of about faces with regard to Trump is staggering) but seems to be able to infect Democrats from time to time......possibly Fetterman's brain damage from the stroke presented an opportunity.

What that says about Republicans isn't great.

[malaise]

47. Eff him

That is all

[thebigidea]

50. He has never been a Joe Manchin holding up legislation

He votes reliably for the Democratic agenda. What exactly is the problem? The dumb shit he says to be elected in his state? You'll survive somehow.

[Wiz Imp]

62. Exactly. All of the whining about him in this thread is insane.

I've asked twice now for people to name one "bad vote" he has taken as Senator, or one piece of legislation he has been responsible for it failing. Of course I have gotten ZERO responses because people can't name any actual action he has taken as Senator which has been harmful to the Democratic Party.

How about we find out why he didn't sign the letter before we condemn him? He wasn't the only Democratic Senator not to sign. Tina Smith & Michael Bennet didn't sign either. Both Smith and Fetterman have strong supporting language on their websites for the Equality Act. They are clearly not opposed to the ERA. I have a feeling this is much ado about nothing.

[creeksneakers2]

52. The pardon is only for the New York case

Which wasn't something that cried out for justice like they other three cases to begin with. We'll see what he ends up posting on Truth Social. I'm not giving up on him yet.

[Wiz Imp]

60. If I recall correctly, Kamala Harris was on Truth Social. Somehow that didn't generate outrage.

[Thrill]

55. We've seen this transformation happen before

The lobbyist wires started hitting.

[nowforever]

56. We have Fetterman

They have Tuberville. He saw how his state voted so he's playing the middle leaning left and right.

[tritsofme]

63. This whole thing on ERA ratification is entirely performative. The clock ran out decades ago.

RBG said as much.

[Quiet Em]

65. Justice Ginsburg was misinterpreted by opponents of the Equal Rights Amendment.

https://www.acslaw.org/expertforum/a-new-beginning-justice-ginsburg-and-the-equal-rights-amendment/

[tritsofme]

77. Yikes, they are grasping very hard at whatever straws they can find.

[Polybius]

80. Nah, she said we need to start over, and it's clear as a bell

Ruth Bader Ginsburg says deadline to ratify Equal Rights Amendment has expired: ‘I’d like it to start over’

[tritsofme]

82. I don't think you meant this reply for me!

[Polybius]

67. So? Maybe there's a reason.

Maybe he realizes that it would be struck down. The ratification date expired and some states rescinded.

It needs to start over.

[Quiet Em]

69. There are sound legal arguments against the deadlines and the States that rescinded.

Let's have those legal arguments. There is nothing to lose and so very much to gain.

[Polybius]

72. I wouldn't fight for something that I didn't support

I support the ERA, but I don't want a win this way. It was written with an expiration date. It may get struct down 9-0.

[Quiet Em]

74. I want the win. I believe we have a legal case for the win.

It's absolutely worth fighting for.

[Polybius]

75. I can't be a hypocrite

I don't support the legality. RGB even said we have to start over.

[Bettie]

83. Women don't need equal rights

codified. If menfolk want them to have rights they'll give them some!

[Quiet Em]

84. Right?

I really don't get the arguments against it. It is what has literally saved women from inhumane, life threatening, horrendous bans in many States. The courts can use this as a tool to save more lives, but some act like it's frivolous. SMH.