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angrychair

(10,083 posts)
Wed Dec 11, 2024, 05:45 PM Dec 11

I don't know what to say anymore

A CNN poll finds people are hopeful for Trump's administration and think the transition is going great.
Time magazine named him person of the year.

Seems like everyone is rolling over and surrendering to TSF before he even takes office.

I feel like I'm going crazy. I don't know how to process all this. It makes no sense. You could tell me the sky is purple and the dirt is orange and I would have an easier believing that than what is happening. Is this the upside down? I hope I wake up staring at a wall and drooling because that would still be better this this insanity being real life.

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I don't know what to say anymore (Original Post) angrychair Dec 11 OP
I'm here too. Just had this discussion with my mother. Mike 03 Dec 11 #1
We know he is going to cause serious damage and despair... FarPoint Dec 11 #19
My HVAC guy says that in politics everyone lying. He thinks equally on the right and the left. MadameButterfly Dec 12 #94
I think it's interesting how they pick and choose in their minds what they think Trump will and won't get away with Ohioboy Dec 12 #95
and they vote against the people they need in office to stop him MadameButterfly Dec 12 #118
Like so many others, the media has him brainwashed with false information or an absence of information. hadEnuf Dec 12 #96
Stay with him SpankMe Dec 12 #99
If we had to only hire non-MAGA types piddyprints Dec 12 #108
It's coming up for me because I'm needing Federal incentives MadameButterfly Dec 12 #120
This experience softened my rage at everyone who voted for Trump MadameButterfly Dec 12 #119
Unfortunately, berksdem Dec 12 #97
Hitler was named Person of the Year, too. It's not necessarily a compliment. Ocelot II Dec 11 #2
Methane gaslighting when shit hits the fan.. BattleRow Dec 11 #17
What annoys me most is that most think he's president already due to the media only concentrating on him. jimfields33 Dec 11 #32
Honest media, now that's funny skydive forever Dec 11 #59
Won't be long before we have lots of opportunities to say "We told you so". yellow dahlia Dec 11 #42
Great post bdamomma Dec 11 #44
Right. POTY has to do with the person who will have the most impact, positive or negative stollen Dec 12 #80
I've not heard one person mention Mr. Mustard 2023 Dec 12 #101
Exactly. Because leopards eat FACES.. B.See Dec 12 #85
Just to put this into perspective senseandsensibility Dec 11 #3
his first term, Trump's approval quickly plummeted and stayed dirt bottom for three plus years BlueWaveNeverEnd Dec 11 #11
Yet idiots voted for him Dem4life1234 Dec 12 #114
Crossword puzzles, long walks, kitten videos. Fiendish Thingy Dec 11 #4
The Saturday NYT crossword Tom Dyer Dec 11 #46
You have to remember the average person isn't going to be immersed in politics the way many of us here are Iris Dec 11 #5
No, but they sure are immersed in willful ignorance and bigotry. Jit423 Dec 11 #16
Yep Iris Dec 11 #23
I have met a lot of American Idiots. byronius Dec 11 #22
"All the chemicals," huh? misanthrope Dec 12 #84
Exactly! Iris Dec 12 #93
The brainwashing by RW media & failure of M$M Dark n Stormy Knight Dec 12 #88
This DeepWinter Dec 12 #91
On the bright side, if there is one bucolic_frolic Dec 11 #6
All true, but being the world's greatest con man not fooled Dec 11 #25
He conned them into believing his trials and impeachments were completely faked. travelingthrulife Dec 12 #98
A CNN poll isn't "most americans". It's propaganda. n/t CousinIT Dec 11 #7
Bingo. Folks, stop being manipulated. paleotn Dec 11 #14
Just like all the polls that showed Trump leading were fake, right? Self Esteem Dec 11 #26
After his stupid 25% tariffs, his bigotic deportations and his ditching of the ACA... Justice matters. Dec 11 #45
Time to print up some "I did this" Trump edition stickers to place strategically in grocery stores... 0rganism Dec 12 #74
Walmart just announced that inflation will continue etc. Meowmee Dec 12 #82
Doesn't matter angrychair Dec 11 #38
You guys are going to have to learn to relax ThePartyThatListens Dec 11 #8
Ready to roll. Been here before. paleotn Dec 11 #15
"You guys?" Blue_Tires Dec 11 #34
Ikr? Sugarcoated Dec 11 #70
I'm pretty sure he's playing an angle here Blue_Tires Dec 11 #71
Every day I see threads weeping, wailing and caterwauling about Trump ThePartyThatListens Dec 12 #89
something about you doesn't feel right. Ignore. awesomerwb1 Dec 12 #79
It's all ForgedCrank Dec 11 #9
No they didn't Keepthesoulalive Dec 11 #24
Do you honestly believe Donnie wants to "improve" things? Blue_Tires Dec 11 #30
Do you ForgedCrank Dec 11 #43
Who are "you people"? Sugarcoated Dec 11 #62
I'm not ForgedCrank Dec 11 #63
Lol, okay Sugarcoated Dec 11 #64
LOL! Ok ForgedCrank Dec 11 #65
Ignored Sugarcoated Dec 11 #67
Finally ForgedCrank Dec 11 #68
Well, I appreciate you Sympthsical Dec 12 #77
Do you really need 4 years?? How about a history lesson instead. 58Sunliner Dec 12 #111
Sigh, ForgedCrank Dec 12 #112
I think it's the Final Phase of gaslighting -- we've all gone nuts William Seger Dec 11 #10
Sadly I do not think this is the final phase, it is just the start of the worst to come Meowmee Dec 12 #81
This whole mess is getting crazy and surreal. ananda Dec 11 #12
Same in 2016. Hasn't bitten them on the ass yet. Just wait. paleotn Dec 11 #13
Not watching CNN angrychair Dec 11 #36
He hasn't done anything yet. Everything is just words. Kablooie Dec 11 #18
He has started his new war of psyops and misinformation for this term if it is only a term Meowmee Dec 12 #83
The Emperor Has No Clothes DeeDeeNY Dec 11 #20
michael lewis explins igt all rampartd Dec 11 #21
Just wait.. YoshidaYui Dec 11 #27
and High Priest. RedWhiteBlueIsRacist Dec 11 #37
or even YoshidaYui Dec 12 #115
or even YoshidaYui Dec 12 #116
The GOP has all the branches of government bronxiteforever Dec 11 #28
All three branches osteopath6 Dec 12 #78
Neither do I.... Blue_Tires Dec 11 #29
You are not crazy. surfered Dec 11 #31
Nothing has changed... stillcool Dec 11 #33
We went to sleep and woke up in a very dark dystopian novel. Irish_Dem Dec 11 #35
Precisely. B.See Dec 12 #86
Yes! I rant all day. yellow dahlia Dec 11 #39
The transition is going great?! Anyone who thinks that is either paying no attention at all or is simply too fucking Karasu Dec 11 #40
Hopeful????? bdamomma Dec 11 #41
Poison of the year. There's a typo somewhere. nt Xipe Totec Dec 11 #47
So many of us are having the same feelings and thoughts. La Coliniere Dec 11 #48
I think a lot more than just Garland and B.See Dec 12 #87
angrychair.................. Upthevibe Dec 11 #49
Me too. F*cking nuts. Joinfortmill Dec 11 #50
Gag a maggot cpamomfromtexas Dec 11 #51
Agree the world is currently "upside down" nm mikewv Dec 11 #52
Anyone that tells me that Pendejo45 was a great or is going to be a great pResident ... aggiesal Dec 11 #53
I hear you Meowmee Dec 11 #54
What did people think would happen? This election was an existential one, and life as we know it will never JohnSJ Dec 11 #55
Couldn't have said it any better angrychair choie Dec 11 #56
Some skies are purple and some dirt is orange. BWdem4life Dec 11 #57
Touche angrychair Dec 12 #73
Doesn't surprise me. I expect that's why a lot of them voted for him. Crunchy Frog Dec 11 #58
Maybe he'll just fucking die already. Orrex Dec 11 #60
I abhor the normalizing and find it terrifying mcar Dec 11 #61
I will NEVER AKwannabe Dec 11 #66
They are all protecting themselves just kike Figarosmom Dec 11 #69
I absolutely agree wendyb-NC Dec 11 #72
This would probably feel more real if we were all on hallucinogenic drugs. nt Trueblue Texan Dec 12 #75
Me too. FM123 Dec 12 #76
You're not alone by any means LilElf70 Dec 12 #90
I hope we all realize now that the MSM is basically worthless propaganda now. Javaman Dec 12 #92
They know the voters elected the devil Turbineguy Dec 12 #100
Defund education, neuter the press, buy the media - instant brain pudding... dchill Dec 12 #102
Time's Person of the year isn't an honor. nt Gore1FL Dec 12 #103
FYI, purple skies and orange dirt DO exist. yagotme Dec 12 #104
That is total bullshit karin_sj Dec 12 #105
Surprised Rebl2 Dec 12 #106
I thibk some people want to be sheep; LoisB Dec 12 #107
Sounds like the media is kissing his ring already Owens Dec 12 #109
they don't know what they voted for. Stay away from the news for a while if it's getting to you. NoSheep Dec 12 #110
mysterious Jean Genie Dec 12 #113
Upside-down-and-Batshit-crazy world is finally here. calimary Dec 12 #117

Mike 03

(18,015 posts)
1. I'm here too. Just had this discussion with my mother.
Wed Dec 11, 2024, 05:49 PM
Dec 11

Don't really have anything intelligent to add that wouldn't be misinterpreted as "defeatist."

FarPoint

(13,812 posts)
19. We know he is going to cause serious damage and despair...
Wed Dec 11, 2024, 06:44 PM
Dec 11

Problem is....way too many still can't see who and what he is yet..... So, we all must suffer to reach the common knowledge phase.... Our suffering is worse because we already know whats coming....

MadameButterfly

(2,342 posts)
94. My HVAC guy says that in politics everyone lying. He thinks equally on the right and the left.
Thu Dec 12, 2024, 09:07 AM
Dec 12

He said he like DOGE because he thinks there is so much waste.
I asked him if he thought Elon was the guy to trust with cutting waste. He thought you could trust the Billionaires because they didn't want money because they had enough money.
I asked him how he felt about them cutting SS. He said he didn't think they'd get away with that. No complaint that they are trying though. He's fine with it because someone will stop them. We didn't discuss who. (Maybe those lying Democrats?)

He doesn't like Trump but he went on about the dishonesty of Pelosi and Biden. He's clearly getting info from different sources than me.

The irony is that I switched to him because he was recommended as ethical and honest. Some other HVAC people were trying to sell me stuff overpriced and with-holding some critical information. He has been transparent, affordable, and informative so far. He seems more expert at HVAC than the other's I've worked with.

I do worry about the cognitive abilities of someone so duped in politics. On the other hand, perhaps we have to consider that even reasonably intelligent and decent people are falling for RW bullshit. What to do?

Ohioboy

(3,558 posts)
95. I think it's interesting how they pick and choose in their minds what they think Trump will and won't get away with
Thu Dec 12, 2024, 09:36 AM
Dec 12

Every Trump supporter I've ever met has at least one thing they don't like about what Trump says he'll do. They recognize that he is rather extreme with the things he wants to do, yet they still support him because they think someone, or something is going to stop him when he goes too far. But then they cry when anyone tries to stop him.

It's the craziest thing I've ever witnessed in my fellow humans.

MadameButterfly

(2,342 posts)
118. and they vote against the people they need in office to stop him
Thu Dec 12, 2024, 06:25 PM
Dec 12

as if some emorphous outrage of the people without Dems in Congress is going to protect their SS and Medicare.

hadEnuf

(2,936 posts)
96. Like so many others, the media has him brainwashed with false information or an absence of information.
Thu Dec 12, 2024, 10:00 AM
Dec 12

Either that or there is something in the water.

SpankMe

(3,362 posts)
99. Stay with him
Thu Dec 12, 2024, 10:36 AM
Dec 12

A good HVAC guy is hard to find.

I had the good fortune of stumbling across a good, independent appliance repair guy. Seemed like a bit of a Trumper, but he installed a new compressor in my fridge and I'm going to get another decade out of it, at least. When I went with Home Depot repair services, and then a "certified" Maytag repairman, the fixes died within months. This guy I hired is a one-man show who had special devices with hacked software on them (like, stuff the manufacturer uses that they don't want the general public to have) that allowed him to diagnose any problem in a variety of brand name appliances.

Trump's destroying America, but I'm willing to compromise for a good repair technician!

piddyprints

(14,877 posts)
108. If we had to only hire non-MAGA types
Thu Dec 12, 2024, 11:35 AM
Dec 12

for anything at all here, we'd be doing the work ourselves. It's a trick finding an honest one, but it's not as if we have a choice. Literally everyone around us is MAGA except for a few close friends who don't do the type of work we might need. We just never discuss politics with them. At all. They do the work, we pay them, and they leave. That's our only choice.

MadameButterfly

(2,342 posts)
120. It's coming up for me because I'm needing Federal incentives
Thu Dec 12, 2024, 06:39 PM
Dec 12

to make much of my work affordable. We have to discuss how long and whether the incentives will be in place. Their opinions are heavily influenced by politics.

MadameButterfly

(2,342 posts)
119. This experience softened my rage at everyone who voted for Trump
Thu Dec 12, 2024, 06:36 PM
Dec 12

I want to blame them, and they are in a way responsible, but it's really the con artists at fault, who know how to dupe people who have neither the interest, time, nor skill to do the critical thinking. I meet so many decent, honest, kind people who "hate" politics and are oblivious of what we are facing. I can't tell you how many I've told that no, Kamala isn't lying and Trump is. That all politicians don't lie like Trump and the difference is important.

These people wouldn't do the horrible things they've enabled Trump to do. They really know not what they've done.
These people are perhaps reachable. We won't reach them if we despise them or demean them. And we need to reach them.

But I'll make sure I get my furnace first.

Ocelot II

(122,673 posts)
2. Hitler was named Person of the Year, too. It's not necessarily a compliment.
Wed Dec 11, 2024, 05:49 PM
Dec 11

The shit will hit the fan soon enough. He's getting his honeymoon early, but his soon-to-be-appointed collection of grifters, cranks, sex pests, nepo babies, Russian agents and misfit toys will start stepping on rakes once they actually have to do something. I'm just sitting back and waiting for the opportunity to say, I told you so. I am confident that chance will come.

 

jimfields33

(19,382 posts)
32. What annoys me most is that most think he's president already due to the media only concentrating on him.
Wed Dec 11, 2024, 07:06 PM
Dec 11

I wish they’d only concentrate on president Biden until January 20th. That’s what an honest media would focus on.

stollen

(686 posts)
80. Right. POTY has to do with the person who will have the most impact, positive or negative
Thu Dec 12, 2024, 02:18 AM
Dec 12

Hitler impacted the world negatively.

Trump will do the same, particularly as he bullies other countries with tariff threats, which will ultimately impact Americans negatively.

Mr. Mustard 2023

(276 posts)
101. I've not heard one person mention
Thu Dec 12, 2024, 11:06 AM
Dec 12

the fact that in addition to the deadbeat's tariff's raising prices, those sovereign nations will retaliate against him with tariffs on our products raising prices on more goods. The deadbeat thinks he can bully sovereign nations, and he's wrong.

senseandsensibility

(20,751 posts)
3. Just to put this into perspective
Wed Dec 11, 2024, 05:52 PM
Dec 11

CNN is pushing this poll of course but when I tuned in they had a chyron that pointed out that this number (55%) is lower than Presidents elect Bush, Obama, and Biden had at this point. So it's no big deal and not particularly significant, although many will push it as though it were.

Fiendish Thingy

(19,023 posts)
4. Crossword puzzles, long walks, kitten videos.
Wed Dec 11, 2024, 05:53 PM
Dec 11

From now until January 20, there is no reason to torture yourself with daily traumatization from the media.

Saturating yourself with so many “what if’s” doesn’t help prepare you for what’s coming, it just leads to burn out and stress.

Taking a break from the endless media speculation is not denial, or a betrayal of your principles or of any person or group- it’s self care and self preservation.

After January 20, we will know “what is”, and will be tanned, rested, and ready to raise our voices in opposition.

Iris

(16,233 posts)
5. You have to remember the average person isn't going to be immersed in politics the way many of us here are
Wed Dec 11, 2024, 05:54 PM
Dec 11

I just read in a NYT article that a 31 year old woman believes our food will be healthier in 4 years because Trump will "get rid of all the chemicals"

A waitress at IHOP told my mother the day after the election that she was excited because now "the war will be over." Not sure which war but somehow she believes Trump can just stop it.

I could go on ....

misanthrope

(8,369 posts)
84. "All the chemicals," huh?
Thu Dec 12, 2024, 03:14 AM
Dec 12

In a way, she could be right. "All the chemicals" would mean all the substance itself, because everything is chemicals. So the only way to "get rid of the chemicals in our food" would be to get rid of the food altogether.

If his policies have the effect it looks like they will, people will certainly find food harder to acquire. So there you go.

Dark n Stormy Knight

(10,117 posts)
88. The brainwashing by RW media & failure of M$M
Thu Dec 12, 2024, 05:06 AM
Dec 12

to provide the facts in opposition to RWBS is a national tragedy.

DeepWinter

(777 posts)
91. This
Thu Dec 12, 2024, 07:49 AM
Dec 12

The average American, and I would stretch that to any nationality as I've traveled quite a bit, isn't terribly political. They don't dwell on politics or policy dailey. They skim over the majority of the news. Anyone on DU and like sites is part of a pretty small minority.

It does make it easier to live your life. Not saying that's a good thing, but disengaement does have benefits.

bucolic_frolic

(48,404 posts)
6. On the bright side, if there is one
Wed Dec 11, 2024, 05:55 PM
Dec 11

THey're handing responsibility to someone who's the oldest President ever to take office, who fouls up everything he touches, at a time when markets and the economy are peaking, when inflation is making a comeback. Everything will be fouled up very soon. Wars, depression, chaos, civil strife ... it's all in the pipeline. There's only one person to blame. No one else is allowed to say anything.

not fooled

(6,150 posts)
25. All true, but being the world's greatest con man
Wed Dec 11, 2024, 06:54 PM
Dec 11

he will be able to con a lot of people into believing it's someone else's fault.

Plus, remember he killed hundreds of thousands if not more than a million by incompetently dealing with COVID and people put him back in the White House.

Personally, I don't get it but there's lots of stupid, willfully ignorant, propagandized and careless people to con.

Self Esteem

(1,900 posts)
26. Just like all the polls that showed Trump leading were fake, right?
Wed Dec 11, 2024, 06:55 PM
Dec 11

Harris was going to win in a romp!

I think you people woefully underestimate how okay Americans are with Trump.

Just as long as he makes things cheaper!

Justice matters.

(7,802 posts)
45. After his stupid 25% tariffs, his bigotic deportations and his ditching of the ACA...
Wed Dec 11, 2024, 07:48 PM
Dec 11

the "as long as he makes things cheaper" won't be long lived...

Any one of these three will get prices of things skyrocket!

0rganism

(24,852 posts)
74. Time to print up some "I did this" Trump edition stickers to place strategically in grocery stores...
Thu Dec 12, 2024, 12:17 AM
Dec 12

I hope someone's got a "price of eggs" index ready to go. Maybe DU could publish a collection of tracking consumer goods costs daily.

Meowmee

(6,849 posts)
82. Walmart just announced that inflation will continue etc.
Thu Dec 12, 2024, 03:00 AM
Dec 12

He is not going to make things cheaper, lol. But he and they will claim he did anyway and blame anything bad that happens on D for sure. He will make sure he and his band of billionaire oligarchs, millionaires and other weathies get to loot and destroy the country thoroughly this time.

angrychair

(10,083 posts)
38. Doesn't matter
Wed Dec 11, 2024, 07:22 PM
Dec 11

Headlines matter. Talking points matter. Perception matters
People have proven that details don't matter.
Most Americans have a less than 6th grade reading level and I recently read an article that illiteracy is on the rise.

Starting to really believe TSF really could order people slaughtered in the streets and most Americans wouldn't care as long as eggs were a little cheaper and gas was under $3.

 
8. You guys are going to have to learn to relax
Wed Dec 11, 2024, 06:14 PM
Dec 11

Or you'll blow a gasket.

He's going to be the President.

Prepare yourself.

paleotn

(19,853 posts)
15. Ready to roll. Been here before.
Wed Dec 11, 2024, 06:39 PM
Dec 11

And I realize that much of what he spews is just that, spew. It will never be enacted. Never become policy. So take a chill pill, folks, and don't let the fucking bastards manipulate you or get you down.

 
89. Every day I see threads weeping, wailing and caterwauling about Trump
Thu Dec 12, 2024, 06:03 AM
Dec 12

In some way, shape, form or fashion.

That's the type of disposition that feeds him and his cult.

They live to "own da libs."

Just relax, don't get triggered and respond calmly and accurately about the nonsense he's doing.

Don't give them the satisfaction.

ForgedCrank

(2,517 posts)
9. It's all
Wed Dec 11, 2024, 06:15 PM
Dec 11

about perspective.
I think most people don't consider their number one priority to be defeating Trump. Their priority wish is for the country to do well overall. I consider myself one of those people. I'll be pleased if the conditions in America improve, even if it's under Trump's term. I'm not picky about who gets it done.
I understand that we all know that probably won't be the case 4 years from now, but results do tell the story, not predictions. And I want things to improve, even if I have to give a nod to someone like Donald Trump. I can say that because i'm pretty sure that isn't going to happen, but that's my perspective. America is my priority, not party. and I believe most people see it that way as well.

Keepthesoulalive

(986 posts)
24. No they didn't
Wed Dec 11, 2024, 06:53 PM
Dec 11

Most don’t care about this country or they would have voted for Harris.
He has screwed up everything he touches, he has no morals. He tried to overthrow the government. He stole state secrets and he let thousands die of covid because of his lies. I want him in jail not in the Oval Office.

 

Blue_Tires

(57,596 posts)
30. Do you honestly believe Donnie wants to "improve" things?
Wed Dec 11, 2024, 07:05 PM
Dec 11

You know what? Just don't answer.

ForgedCrank

(2,517 posts)
43. Do you
Wed Dec 11, 2024, 07:41 PM
Dec 11

people even read my entire posts before you knee starts jerking?
Do us a favor, quote the part where I said anything even remotely resembling that.

ForgedCrank

(2,517 posts)
63. I'm not
Wed Dec 11, 2024, 10:42 PM
Dec 11

going to compile a list for you. Read the passive-aggressive and unwarranted attacks yourself. They are all available for you to read.
But in a general sense, "you people" in this context are the ones who respond to imaginary things I've never said. In fact, you are on the verge of doing it right now, desperately searching for a hidden meaning to be offended by. I re-read my post and it seems it would be pretty clear to anyone who knows how to follow a general conversation. If you aren't one of those people, then you can ignore the post. Pretty simple stuff.

Sympthsical

(10,411 posts)
77. Well, I appreciate you
Thu Dec 12, 2024, 01:26 AM
Dec 12

Some people seem . . . put out that the entire world isn't joining them in the 24/7 meltdown they plan on participating in for the next four years straight. It's like, yeah, people have shit to do. Most people just hope things go ok.

Like you, I don't have a lot of reason to expect the next four years are going to be great. Everything Trump telegraphs screams incoming shitshow.

But people do have to get on with their lives. The terminally online political sphere isn't where most people live.

My state just elected a shiny new senator in Adam Schiff. I'll trust, as signaled by my vote, that he and other Democrats will do what they can. Outside of that, it's out of my hands. Just gotta get to work and keep living.

ForgedCrank

(2,517 posts)
112. Sigh,
Thu Dec 12, 2024, 01:20 PM
Dec 12

another one.
No, I don't "need" anything, but thanks for your offer to un-stupid me with lessons.
I prefer to react to things that actually happen, but after they happen and when there is something actually measurable to critique.
And one "lesson" I learned on my own from the last Trump term was that he didn't get jack done because congress wouldn't let him, and that included a considerable number of Republicans.

Meowmee

(6,849 posts)
81. Sadly I do not think this is the final phase, it is just the start of the worst to come
Thu Dec 12, 2024, 02:57 AM
Dec 12

without any real guardrails now.

paleotn

(19,853 posts)
13. Same in 2016. Hasn't bitten them on the ass yet. Just wait.
Wed Dec 11, 2024, 06:35 PM
Dec 11

It will. Secondly, a majority of people? You just said people. I can probably find some people who would be hopeful about a return of Atilla the Hun.

And why are you watching CNN anyway? Far better sources than that swill.

angrychair

(10,083 posts)
36. Not watching CNN
Wed Dec 11, 2024, 07:09 PM
Dec 11

In fact I haven't watched any news of any kind since the day before the election. It was a story I saw on BlueSky

Kablooie

(18,828 posts)
18. He hasn't done anything yet. Everything is just words.
Wed Dec 11, 2024, 06:42 PM
Dec 11

Just wait until he starts actually doing something.
That's when they see what they have done.

Meowmee

(6,849 posts)
83. He has started his new war of psyops and misinformation for this term if it is only a term
Thu Dec 12, 2024, 03:04 AM
Dec 12

and his torturing of people in general via media etc.

DeeDeeNY

(3,633 posts)
20. The Emperor Has No Clothes
Wed Dec 11, 2024, 06:45 PM
Dec 11

That story is the closest analogy I can think of to what is happening.

rampartd

(1,404 posts)
21. michael lewis explins igt all
Wed Dec 11, 2024, 06:46 PM
Dec 11

including trump's appeal, his management style, his culgt, musk, sam bankman frkied, and why we are experiencing this disaster.

"they just don't care."


&t=55s

on edit, that is not the video i thought i was loading, but this one is shorter than the "economist" podcast and says about the same thing.woth a beat.

bronxiteforever

(9,832 posts)
28. The GOP has all the branches of government
Wed Dec 11, 2024, 07:00 PM
Dec 11

Right now all the pressure and power is on them. The majority of voters chose this.

Our party has to figure a way forward in a world where Trump starts to fade. He is Donald the Lame Duck and the clock will be running soon. Our system makes Presidents that are in second terms weaker. Threats and the ability to maintain a coalition decay in a second term.

 

Blue_Tires

(57,596 posts)
29. Neither do I....
Wed Dec 11, 2024, 07:01 PM
Dec 11

Nothing Biden and Harris did was ever good enough to get votes... Nothing Donnie, JD and Elmer did was ever **BAD** enough to lose votes -- If anything, the rampant lawlessness, disinfo, dishonesty, white supremacy and batshit insanity only seemed to INCREASE their support from the public...

It's surreal. I was telling my best friend today that I want to just scream because I do not know what the "rules" of elections are supposed to be anymore, or what people want in their candidates, and nobody seems to care that the entire ship has capsized.

stillcool

(33,114 posts)
33. Nothing has changed...
Wed Dec 11, 2024, 07:06 PM
Dec 11

in the media world for a very long time. Nothing. Opinions, suppositions, fears of some non-existent future event, so and so that knows of someone close to someone, saying something of some other so and so, and always Trump saying something, doing nothing.

Irish_Dem

(63,123 posts)
35. We went to sleep and woke up in a very dark dystopian novel.
Wed Dec 11, 2024, 07:07 PM
Dec 11

We see that in this new world good is evil, and evil is good.
And people we believed were truly good, flip into evil right in front of our eyes.

Karasu

(502 posts)
40. The transition is going great?! Anyone who thinks that is either paying no attention at all or is simply too fucking
Wed Dec 11, 2024, 07:26 PM
Dec 11

stupid to have a valid opinion on the matter. Can you link to the poll?

This country might just be too stupid to exist much longer.

bdamomma

(67,237 posts)
41. Hopeful?????
Wed Dec 11, 2024, 07:31 PM
Dec 11

or hopeless and hardship for us. While the felon is partying at Mar A Lago with Victor Orban and Michael Flynn, which was just on Joy Reid. They are partying away. They got their useful idiot. Sickening.

La Coliniere

(1,211 posts)
48. So many of us are having the same feelings and thoughts.
Wed Dec 11, 2024, 07:57 PM
Dec 11

The felon and his cult broadcast loud and clear what their fascist intentions were and a small majority of voters said “hell yes!” and another third of the voting population said “we don’t care”. That is very hard to process. I’m hoping that MAGA overreach will backfire and wake up many of the non-voters and create remorse in many of the felon’s supporters, causing a paradigm shift that will initiate the beginning of the felon and his MAGA movement’s fall. If this happens, it must be before their most nefarious and dangerous plans can come to fruition. It’s my only hope. The hardest thing for me to understand and come to terms with is how all of this has come to pass after the January 6th insurrection, when the felon could have been put to rest, politically speaking. Fuck Garland for his stalling and the Republican Senators who refused to impeach him, they bare the responsibility for this moment in our history.

B.See

(4,288 posts)
87. I think a lot more than just Garland and
Thu Dec 12, 2024, 03:39 AM
Dec 12

Republican senators bear the responsibility for this triumph of fascism in what was once the world's beacon for democracy.

I also believe that contrary to what you wrote, a LARGE number of maga voters said "hell yeah" to fascism, racism and hate,

while a significant enough number of other voters and those who didn't even BOTHER, simply didn't give a fuck.

I predict they WILL, though. And I've been pretty damn spot on about these kinds of things so far.

aggiesal

(9,711 posts)
53. Anyone that tells me that Pendejo45 was a great or is going to be a great pResident ...
Wed Dec 11, 2024, 08:38 PM
Dec 11

I just say, you voted for someone that was found liable to Sexual Assault and guilt of 34 felonies.

Then turn around and walk away.

Meowmee

(6,849 posts)
54. I hear you
Wed Dec 11, 2024, 08:41 PM
Dec 11

I have a lot to say but I am too tired at the moment.. suffice it to say that the media and others are kissing the ring of the fascist and as distressing as it is for those of us who understand what is happening it is to be expected when fascism takes over. The media, for the most part, is largely responsible for him ever getting power in the first place.

JohnSJ

(97,273 posts)
55. What did people think would happen? This election was an existential one, and life as we know it will never
Wed Dec 11, 2024, 08:43 PM
Dec 11

be the same.

BWdem4life

(2,504 posts)
57. Some skies are purple and some dirt is orange.
Wed Dec 11, 2024, 09:39 PM
Dec 11

Just throwing that out there for no particular reason

Crunchy Frog

(27,260 posts)
58. Doesn't surprise me. I expect that's why a lot of them voted for him.
Wed Dec 11, 2024, 09:44 PM
Dec 11

They will likely get a strong dose of reality soon enough.

mcar

(43,840 posts)
61. I abhor the normalizing and find it terrifying
Wed Dec 11, 2024, 10:17 PM
Dec 11

TBH, though, Time did name Hitler man of the year.

Figarosmom

(4,146 posts)
69. They are all protecting themselves just kike
Wed Dec 11, 2024, 11:22 PM
Dec 11

Joe and Mika did. They are also giving tacit permission for tags agenda rather they approve of it or not.

I'll admit I don't like the way this is going. So far I'm in a holding pattern. Watching and waiting.

wendyb-NC

(3,971 posts)
72. I absolutely agree
Wed Dec 11, 2024, 11:45 PM
Dec 11

It's nuts, to the point of absurdity. That whole idea, that people are hopeful, is terrifying. What's hopeful about anyone he's picked to head the agencies of government?

No angrychair, you are not crazy. You are seeing reality, for what it is. Nope, don't roll over, don't let anyone say you are the issue. You are not. That transition is farcical. It's a train wreck.

Good grief that CNN poll is a joke. I've sworn off most news and polls.

LilElf70

(681 posts)
90. You're not alone by any means
Thu Dec 12, 2024, 07:34 AM
Dec 12

I too have been extremely disappointed of this fake pre celebration of a total disaster. Tens of millions are right there behind you. Before the second bout of the con man, I was watching and reading news quite often. I have now given up hope from any of these sources as all I read now is how wonderful things will be. I'm sick of all the lies and bullshit. It's time to put it all in my back pocket and check in at a much later date. I predict 3 months from now, 10s of millions of Trumpers will then realize what a huge mistake they made. By tax time in 2026, many will be broke, and have much more to pay in taxes.

What a sad state of affairs this is. I can only imagine how bad it will be 4 years from now.

Javaman

(63,305 posts)
92. I hope we all realize now that the MSM is basically worthless propaganda now.
Thu Dec 12, 2024, 07:58 AM
Dec 12

they are all owed by billionaires and are doing their best to suck up and not be marched off to camps.

we are in a "brave new world" scenario. 1984 comes later.

dchill

(41,130 posts)
102. Defund education, neuter the press, buy the media - instant brain pudding...
Thu Dec 12, 2024, 11:06 AM
Dec 12

...doing the voting. Murika is here.

yagotme

(4,036 posts)
104. FYI, purple skies and orange dirt DO exist.
Thu Dec 12, 2024, 11:11 AM
Dec 12

I have seen both. I even own some orange dirt (hardpan clay). Orange, gray, light tan. Poor soil to grow crops. Sometimes, doesn't even grow weeds well. The purple skies, heavy storm clouds at certain times of the day. Purple isn't that bad. When they turn green, and start swirling, that's when you start being terribly concerned..

karin_sj

(1,153 posts)
105. That is total bullshit
Thu Dec 12, 2024, 11:16 AM
Dec 12

And I don’t believe it at all because I don’t believe that the MAGots make up the majority of people in this country. I’d say it was just the opposite.

LoisB

(9,321 posts)
107. I thibk some people want to be sheep;
Thu Dec 12, 2024, 11:22 AM
Dec 12

absolves them from any responsibilty for their lives, they don't have to make decisions-just follow orders. Others just go along to get along.

NoSheep

(8,280 posts)
110. they don't know what they voted for. Stay away from the news for a while if it's getting to you.
Thu Dec 12, 2024, 12:34 PM
Dec 12

Jean Genie

(428 posts)
113. mysterious
Thu Dec 12, 2024, 02:06 PM
Dec 12

I know the "going crazy" feeling!

It's the "pay no attention to the man behind the curtain" syndrome writ large!

Trump: hero. Person of the year.

Luigi the murderer: Hunky honey, thirst trap.

Elon Musk: Big daddy rich man who's SO SMART that he know more than anyone else in the world!

Bobby Kennedy: more knowledgeable by far than your average physician

Etc. Etc.

Oh yeah, and there are drones the size of SUVs (or maybe Tesla trucks?) flying over parts of New Jersey for many nights now, and no one can figure our what they are or where they come from.

Huh?!











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