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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsRaw Story: Feds warn J6 rioters pardon won't 'unring the bell of conviction' -- quite the opposite
Raw Story - Feds warn J6 rioters pardon won't 'unring the bell of conviction' quite the opposite
Sarah K. Burris
December 11, 2024 5:36PM ET
The Justice Department is signaling to Jan. 6 defendants that accepting a pardon from Donald Trump will not eliminate guilt, Politico reported Wednesday.
[A] pardon at some unspecified date in the future ... would not unring the bell of conviction, federal prosecutors said during proceedings before U.S. District Judge Carl Nichols. In fact, quite the opposite. The defendant would first have to accept the pardon, which necessitates a confession of guilt.
The issue came up during Donald Trump's first term after he pardoned Arizona Sheriff Joe Arpaio, who sued, saying that his pardon should erase his criminal conviction. He argued that accepting the pardon was not an admission of guilt, but the Supreme Court ruled otherwise. Furthermore, criminal convictions can still result in punishment outside of courts like ethics boards. It only eliminates criminal consequences.
"The pronouncement is the latest attempt by the Justice Department to salvage the legacy of its Jan. 6 investigation, which leaders say is the most sweeping criminal probe in American history. Trump has pledged to unravel that probe with the stroke of his pen by granting clemency to many of the nearly 1,600 people who have been charged for their roles in the attack on the Capitol four years ago," the report said.
The comments from the DOJ came in a filing for Dova Winegeart's case, who is trying to delay her jail sentence because she assumes that Trump will pardon her.
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Sarah K. Burris
December 11, 2024 5:36PM ET
The Justice Department is signaling to Jan. 6 defendants that accepting a pardon from Donald Trump will not eliminate guilt, Politico reported Wednesday.
[A] pardon at some unspecified date in the future ... would not unring the bell of conviction, federal prosecutors said during proceedings before U.S. District Judge Carl Nichols. In fact, quite the opposite. The defendant would first have to accept the pardon, which necessitates a confession of guilt.
The issue came up during Donald Trump's first term after he pardoned Arizona Sheriff Joe Arpaio, who sued, saying that his pardon should erase his criminal conviction. He argued that accepting the pardon was not an admission of guilt, but the Supreme Court ruled otherwise. Furthermore, criminal convictions can still result in punishment outside of courts like ethics boards. It only eliminates criminal consequences.
"The pronouncement is the latest attempt by the Justice Department to salvage the legacy of its Jan. 6 investigation, which leaders say is the most sweeping criminal probe in American history. Trump has pledged to unravel that probe with the stroke of his pen by granting clemency to many of the nearly 1,600 people who have been charged for their roles in the attack on the Capitol four years ago," the report said.
The comments from the DOJ came in a filing for Dova Winegeart's case, who is trying to delay her jail sentence because she assumes that Trump will pardon her.
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Raw Story: Feds warn J6 rioters pardon won't 'unring the bell of conviction' -- quite the opposite (Original Post)
Dennis Donovan
Dec 11
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republianmushroom
(18,179 posts)1. Suck it up J6 rioters.
And your leader walks, do you feel more than DUMB, now. And to some of us you will always be a convicted felon. love it
46 months and counting
keithbvadu2
(40,507 posts)2. Pardons for people who violently attack the police.
Not much criticism from the right wing when Cliven Bundy's sniper was sighting in on LEO badges.
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keithbvadu2
(40,507 posts)3. Right wing militia says to kill the police.
Right wing militia says to kill the police.
Start about 3:40 on the timeline