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babylonsister

(171,948 posts)
Thu Dec 12, 2024, 08:40 AM Dec 2024

Canada Threatens to Cut Power to U.S. Over Trump Tariffs

Sigh. Dealing with *rump is going to be a nightmare for everyone involved.

Canada Threatens to Cut Power to U.S. Over Trump Tariffs
FIGHTING WORDS
Canada’s most populous province powered 1.5 million homes in the U.S. last year.
Janna Brancolini
Updated Dec. 12 2024 6:28AM EST /
Published Dec. 12 2024 5:58AM EST


Canada’s most populous province has no plans to go gentle into that good night if Donald Trump follows through on his threat to impose massive tariffs on Canadian goods.

Ontario Premier Doug Ford said his province was putting together a list of retaliatory measures and would go so far as to cut off energy exports to the U.S. if President-elect Trump slaps Canadian products with a 25 percent tax as promised, the AP reported.

“We will use every tool in our tool box to fight back,” Ford said Wednesday after a call with Prime Minister Justin Trudeau and other provincial premiers. “We can’t sit back and roll over. We just won’t as a country. And isn’t this a shame, our closest friends and allies.”


As a major exporter of electricity to Michigan, Minnesota and New York, Ontario powered 1.5 million U.S. homes last year, a spokeswoman for Ford told the AP. Trump’s transition team didn’t respond to the news agency’s request for comment.

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https://www.thedailybeast.com/ontario-premier-doug-ford-threatens-to-cut-off-us-energy-exports-if-donald-trump-imposes-tariffs/
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Canada Threatens to Cut Power to U.S. Over Trump Tariffs (Original Post) babylonsister Dec 2024 OP
Good for them. OldBaldy1701E Dec 2024 #1
Love to see Canada standing up for itself. But there's nuthin' TSF enjoys more than allegorical oracle Dec 2024 #23
and it doesn't matter who gets pissed on! liberalla Dec 2024 #25
I believe he does enjoy, per the alleged Russian tapes NoRethugFriends Dec 2024 #76
What tapes? arthritisR_US Dec 2024 #81
here NoRethugFriends Dec 2024 #85
Message auto-removed Name removed Dec 2024 #87
I agree but it sucks when we have to root for another country rather than our own. chicoescuela Dec 2024 #37
I'm so with you and I'm from that country and so afraid of his arthritisR_US Dec 2024 #80
They send their garbage to Michigan soandso Dec 2024 #55
And then we should air drop all the illegal firearms coming in Bev54 Dec 2024 #60
I'm trying to look for the positives quakerboy Dec 2024 #70
RTAs as a Canadian I'm with you and their orange piece of shit arthritisR_US Dec 2024 #82
not true NJCher Dec 2024 #74
Let's hope many gullible magats in Michigan will regret their vote. Justice matters. Dec 2024 #67
When your people wake up you have a chance. arthritisR_US Dec 2024 #71
Coming from an American-You couid not have said it better!!!!!!!!!!!! Stargazer99 Dec 2024 #79
I'm in Minnesota where it's very cold right now, Granny Blue Dec 2024 #75
Me too. OldBaldy1701E Dec 2024 #86
DO IT!!! The U.S. deserves all the damage possible for electing the person who tried to overturn the government. JohnSJ Dec 2024 #2
Yes, resist that orange idiot in every way that will send a message to his cult. Magoo48 Dec 2024 #6
Sadly, the cult doesn't, or can't, think enough to figure out cause/affect situations and will only add Canada Attilatheblond Dec 2024 #43
I think when the cult starts to seriously feel the impact of arthritisR_US Dec 2024 #68
Rolling blackouts are a feature in authoritarian failed states... Hugin Dec 2024 #3
We went through that in California due to the manipulation but Enron to create an artificial shortage. It also caused JohnSJ Dec 2024 #10
It's been a feature in Texas lately. Hugin Dec 2024 #11
There will be more coming slightlv Dec 2024 #62
Hopefully in red areas kerouac2 Dec 2024 #4
Im thoroughly expecting trade slightlv Dec 2024 #63
Please Canada...adopt Michigan now! MiHale Dec 2024 #5
How about the whole Great Lakes Basin? VGNonly Dec 2024 #50
This may be the onlty thing that saves Ohio from themselves. Norbert Dec 2024 #83
hurrah!!!! markie Dec 2024 #7
I hope the magats shiver in their heatless houses. lark Dec 2024 #8
That's the worst part -- good people suffer from everything TSF's unquenchable ego allegorical oracle Dec 2024 #34
100% agree! lark Dec 2024 #40
Given our current -7 temperature, I may shiver a bit too sarisataka Dec 2024 #38
Here we go. orangecrush Dec 2024 #9
New York .... Trump will gladly let them cripple NY even at the expense of MN and MI. live love laugh Dec 2024 #12
NY and MN voted Harris MadLinguist Dec 2024 #36
And MI has Gretchen so that's no loss to him either come think of it. live love laugh Dec 2024 #42
Can't we just hook the grid up markodochartaigh Dec 2024 #13
Fun Fact: The only founding father who generates electricity... Hugin Dec 2024 #14
Due more to lack of wind for his kite. KS Toronado Dec 2024 #15
I find that FunFact markodochartaigh Dec 2024 #46
I thought you'd get a charge out of it. Hugin Dec 2024 #48
LOL markodochartaigh Dec 2024 #49
HaHa. johnnyfins Dec 2024 #17
O Canada! Beckett Dec 2024 #16
Thanks to NIMBY NY is depending more and more on Canadian power. Historic NY Dec 2024 #18
TSF causing drama and chaos to our longtime peaceful neighbors for no reason except he can. Deuxcents Dec 2024 #19
He won't care if these are blue areas. He won't even care if they are red areas JI7 Dec 2024 #20
Chaos is the aim pfitz59 Dec 2024 #21
What will Donnie's response be then? Dave Id Dec 2024 #22
I can't believe this is where we're heading. WTH? liberalla Dec 2024 #24
He's not even in office yet and the drama and chaos ecstatic Dec 2024 #26
Because decency speaks softly and thinks before it acts. nt allegorical oracle Dec 2024 #35
Because eggs cost too much. Justice matters. Dec 2024 #69
oh Canada!!!!!! berksdem Dec 2024 #27
I'm good with this. Canadians have a leader who will look out for his people. Autumn Dec 2024 #28
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Dec 2024 #29
The power company Linda ladeewolf Dec 2024 #30
Post removed Post removed Dec 2024 #33
I THought Ford Deep State Witch Dec 2024 #31
He is a jerk ass conservative and much like Trump Bev54 Dec 2024 #61
Fatty Felon's gonna pick fights with our closest allies wolfie001 Dec 2024 #32
His closest allies seem to be VGNonly Dec 2024 #52
That would be inconvenient sarisataka Dec 2024 #39
Trump has gone truly mad with power. Initech Dec 2024 #41
This x1000! Uncharted territory. slightlv Dec 2024 #64
Damn, the orange convicted felon didn't think of that. republianmushroom Dec 2024 #44
The only sensible thing to do is to invade Canada to take over the power stations and secure the power lines. Renew Deal Dec 2024 #45
The convicted felon elect promised no wars... Justice matters. Dec 2024 #72
And that's just Ontario exports. Disaffected Dec 2024 #47
Yes, much of the New England VGNonly Dec 2024 #51
Canadians reminde of water signs Dem4life1234 Dec 2024 #53
But why is TSF's power not satisfied with running the US? He won't stop until he allegorical oracle Dec 2024 #54
Was Hitler happy with just Germany? slightlv Dec 2024 #66
Ontario is not Canada. Alberta has a different approach. . . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Dec 2024 #56
Good for them Hekate Dec 2024 #57
The original article RainCaster Dec 2024 #58
Good for bdamomma Dec 2024 #59
FAFO, #DementiaDonnie. n/t area51 Dec 2024 #65
Why in ForgedCrank Dec 2024 #73
Yes, securing our U.S. energy security has never been a top priority. Think. Again. Dec 2024 #77
As a New Yorker, I support this though I fear it. Scrivener7 Dec 2024 #78
doug ford only speaks for 1 province and that is ontario. he has ambitions to become the dawn5651 Dec 2024 #84

OldBaldy1701E

(7,545 posts)
1. Good for them.
Thu Dec 12, 2024, 08:44 AM
Dec 2024

Of course, it will be horrible for those affected, but again, we are talking about the rich idiots in D.C. who are not going to have to deal with this. Which is why talking the battle to them is the only option.

allegorical oracle

(4,456 posts)
23. Love to see Canada standing up for itself. But there's nuthin' TSF enjoys more than
Thu Dec 12, 2024, 10:45 AM
Dec 2024

a pissin' contest.

Response to NoRethugFriends (Reply #85)

chicoescuela

(1,928 posts)
37. I agree but it sucks when we have to root for another country rather than our own.
Thu Dec 12, 2024, 11:56 AM
Dec 2024

I really dislike this tsf guy.

 

soandso

(1,631 posts)
55. They send their garbage to Michigan
Thu Dec 12, 2024, 07:36 PM
Dec 2024

If they turn off any power, maybe Michigan should return their garbage in air drops.

Bev54

(12,313 posts)
60. And then we should air drop all the illegal firearms coming in
Thu Dec 12, 2024, 11:06 PM
Dec 2024

From the US? None of this is going to be good for either country but we will not roll over to your bully pres, even if your politicians and media alike are.

quakerboy

(14,319 posts)
70. I'm trying to look for the positives
Fri Dec 13, 2024, 01:12 AM
Dec 2024

It will be economically painful. But maybe it will be a good object lesson on the results of conservatism for both sides of the border?

arthritisR_US

(7,762 posts)
82. RTAs as a Canadian I'm with you and their orange piece of shit
Fri Dec 13, 2024, 05:33 AM
Dec 2024

is something that should not be in this world

Justice matters.

(8,229 posts)
67. Let's hope many gullible magats in Michigan will regret their vote.
Fri Dec 13, 2024, 01:00 AM
Dec 2024

Those plugged on the Ontario grid in the middle of winter...

Sad thing is, Democratic voters plugged in will suffer too...

Granny Blue

(55 posts)
75. I'm in Minnesota where it's very cold right now,
Fri Dec 13, 2024, 02:20 AM
Dec 2024

and I will cheerfully freeze in the dark to support Canadian sovereignty and humiliate the Tangerine Toddler! Go Canada!

OldBaldy1701E

(7,545 posts)
86. Me too.
Fri Dec 13, 2024, 09:21 AM
Dec 2024

And, being from the South, I am not sanguine to the cold. But, I will figure something out. That orange gibbon needs to be slapped down hard by every other nation. Maybe once we see that we have no friends and how that affects us we will stop flipping the world off just because we are 'By Gawd 'Muricans'!

8F this morning! Balmy after yesterday!

JohnSJ

(98,282 posts)
2. DO IT!!! The U.S. deserves all the damage possible for electing the person who tried to overturn the government.
Thu Dec 12, 2024, 08:44 AM
Dec 2024

Magoo48

(6,141 posts)
6. Yes, resist that orange idiot in every way that will send a message to his cult.
Thu Dec 12, 2024, 09:20 AM
Dec 2024

This is the proper response to his assholeishness: be a fascist dick, this is your reward. Now, the response from the individuals impacted must be to create a ruckus which will put a dent in some oligarch’s plunder flow.

Attilatheblond

(5,563 posts)
43. Sadly, the cult doesn't, or can't, think enough to figure out cause/affect situations and will only add Canada
Thu Dec 12, 2024, 12:08 PM
Dec 2024

on the huge list of people they irrationally hate.

arthritisR_US

(7,762 posts)
68. I think when the cult starts to seriously feel the impact of
Fri Dec 13, 2024, 01:04 AM
Dec 2024

what his cabinet does they may have a realignment in their thinking. That is my hope but the damage done to you all and the rest of us in this world is frightening.

JohnSJ

(98,282 posts)
10. We went through that in California due to the manipulation but Enron to create an artificial shortage. It also caused
Thu Dec 12, 2024, 09:38 AM
Dec 2024

Davis to be recalled, and Schwarzenegger to replace him.

As you said, "oh goody"


Hugin

(35,961 posts)
11. It's been a feature in Texas lately.
Thu Dec 12, 2024, 09:46 AM
Dec 2024

Every cold snap or heat dome.

But, it’s okay because the rich folks can catch a plane to Cancun.

slightlv

(5,245 posts)
62. There will be more coming
Thu Dec 12, 2024, 11:59 PM
Dec 2024

Down the pike than just rolling blackouts. I'm trying my hand again at hydrofarming at least herbs and small veggies. Can't grow anything out back... sun can't shine on my yard due to all the trees. But I have done a bit of hydro successfully b4. Cilantro is getting hard to find already here and its a main herb for me. Stores just don't have it. There have been several things I've gone to buy that are no longer available. Told hubby to expect more once T is in office with his tariffs and no immigrants to work the farms here. All prices are going to go higher than those of us on SS will be able to afford. It has me very worried, and still hoping for a democratic white knight to ride in, stand up and save us from doom b4 we have to bow to mother russia.

slightlv

(5,245 posts)
63. Im thoroughly expecting trade
Fri Dec 13, 2024, 12:02 AM
Dec 2024

Wars between T and California. He hates it so much, and they grow so much of our food and have the guts to stand up to him.

lark

(24,776 posts)
8. I hope the magats shiver in their heatless houses.
Thu Dec 12, 2024, 09:35 AM
Dec 2024

Every bad thing that happens to them is deserved.

Horribly bad that regular Americans will suffer so much because half of our country are purely haters and willing idiots.

allegorical oracle

(4,456 posts)
34. That's the worst part -- good people suffer from everything TSF's unquenchable ego
Thu Dec 12, 2024, 11:39 AM
Dec 2024

and ignorance imposes on all of us. If his actions affected only MAGAts, it would be sufferable.

sarisataka

(21,633 posts)
38. Given our current -7 temperature, I may shiver a bit too
Thu Dec 12, 2024, 11:59 AM
Dec 2024

but I guess I can put up with it because magats deserve it

MadLinguist

(864 posts)
36. NY and MN voted Harris
Thu Dec 12, 2024, 11:50 AM
Dec 2024

So yeah he'd sacrifice MI for spiting NY and MN. But more to the point, he's lame duck upon arrival so there's no populace he's beholden to. Everything will be about revenge. The only asses he needs to sniff are Elon's and Vlad's.

markodochartaigh

(2,534 posts)
13. Can't we just hook the grid up
Thu Dec 12, 2024, 09:50 AM
Dec 2024

to the Founding Fathers spinning in their graves? I would think that that would more than make up the difference.

Hugin

(35,961 posts)
14. Fun Fact: The only founding father who generates electricity...
Thu Dec 12, 2024, 09:57 AM
Dec 2024

By spinning in his grave is Ben Franklin.



(Yes, this is BS.)

Beckett

(21 posts)
16. O Canada!
Thu Dec 12, 2024, 10:28 AM
Dec 2024

Way to go!! No more nice country! I totally agree, esp after how disgracefully tfg (that freaking guy) has already treated them.

Historic NY

(38,738 posts)
18. Thanks to NIMBY NY is depending more and more on Canadian power.
Thu Dec 12, 2024, 10:40 AM
Dec 2024

Yup the Greenie win means more green from our pockets.

Dave Id

(81 posts)
22. What will Donnie's response be then?
Thu Dec 12, 2024, 10:45 AM
Dec 2024

Will Trump change his Don Quixote mind about windmills and promote them to make up for the loss of electricity imported from Canada, of just ignore their problem like he chose to do about the Covid pandemic?

liberalla

(10,380 posts)
24. I can't believe this is where we're heading. WTH?
Thu Dec 12, 2024, 10:49 AM
Dec 2024

It's gonna be worse than anything I've imagined... all unnecessarily.

ecstatic

(34,703 posts)
26. He's not even in office yet and the drama and chaos
Thu Dec 12, 2024, 10:57 AM
Dec 2024

is already on 1000. Why did people reject peace and calm? 🤬 😡

Autumn

(47,624 posts)
28. I'm good with this. Canadians have a leader who will look out for his people.
Thu Dec 12, 2024, 11:03 AM
Dec 2024

Last edited Thu Dec 12, 2024, 11:33 AM - Edit history (1)

Turn the power off.

Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Linda ladeewolf

(815 posts)
30. The power company
Thu Dec 12, 2024, 11:24 AM
Dec 2024

That owns Liberty utilities in Missouri is Canadian and I’m in that deep red state, I wonder what affect it will have on us here? I guess I’d better think about alternatives.

Response to Linda ladeewolf (Reply #30)

Bev54

(12,313 posts)
61. He is a jerk ass conservative and much like Trump
Thu Dec 12, 2024, 11:12 PM
Dec 2024

He is a bully with a large ego. He has an election coming up and most Canadians hate Trump so he has to make a show of force.

wolfie001

(4,391 posts)
32. Fatty Felon's gonna pick fights with our closest allies
Thu Dec 12, 2024, 11:34 AM
Dec 2024

Brilliant move! How stupid are those 49.5% of the electorate anyway?

VGNonly

(8,009 posts)
52. His closest allies seem to be
Thu Dec 12, 2024, 04:44 PM
Dec 2024

Russia and North Korea these days.

RW voters are useful idiots.

sarisataka

(21,633 posts)
39. That would be inconvenient
Thu Dec 12, 2024, 12:02 PM
Dec 2024

no electricity means no heat. At this moment we are at -7F and not all of those 1.5 million homes are populated by Trump voters.

Initech

(104,400 posts)
41. Trump has gone truly mad with power.
Thu Dec 12, 2024, 12:06 PM
Dec 2024

Nothing will end particularly well for him when he and DOGE leave this country in ruins.

Renew Deal

(83,710 posts)
45. The only sensible thing to do is to invade Canada to take over the power stations and secure the power lines.
Thu Dec 12, 2024, 01:19 PM
Dec 2024

Disaffected

(5,482 posts)
47. And that's just Ontario exports.
Thu Dec 12, 2024, 01:41 PM
Dec 2024

If Quebec. Manitoba and BC do the same, the impact will be much greater still.

VGNonly

(8,009 posts)
51. Yes, much of the New England
Thu Dec 12, 2024, 04:41 PM
Dec 2024

Last edited Thu Dec 12, 2024, 07:54 PM - Edit history (1)

receives or in the process of receiving vast amounts of electricity from Quebec-Hydro.

Dem4life1234

(2,530 posts)
53. Canadians reminde of water signs
Thu Dec 12, 2024, 05:41 PM
Dec 2024

Sweet and kind, but try to fuck with them and they will bite back.

Orange idiot can't leave people well enough alone.

allegorical oracle

(4,456 posts)
54. But why is TSF's power not satisfied with running the US? He won't stop until he
Thu Dec 12, 2024, 05:47 PM
Dec 2024

feels that he's king of the world. Mebbe that's why he's inviting a foreign leader to his inauguration. Deeper this entre to power goes, the more he resembles Germany's SF.

slightlv

(5,245 posts)
66. Was Hitler happy with just Germany?
Fri Dec 13, 2024, 12:07 AM
Dec 2024

Megalomaniacs have to have it all you know. Putin is his Master... Putin and Satan.

bdamomma

(67,847 posts)
59. Good for
Thu Dec 12, 2024, 10:56 PM
Dec 2024

Canada, that felon bullying Trudeau, calling him Governor of the 51st state, WTF!!! The felon is going to learn quickly not to fuck around with other countries. He's going to have more enemies than friends.

ForgedCrank

(2,592 posts)
73. Why in
Fri Dec 13, 2024, 01:16 AM
Dec 2024

the hell are we relying on Canada for electricity anyway?
That needs to be addressed and corrected regardless of what happens.

Think. Again.

(22,330 posts)
77. Yes, securing our U.S. energy security has never been a top priority.
Fri Dec 13, 2024, 03:32 AM
Dec 2024

Maybe someday the fossil fuel industry will allow us to work on that.

Scrivener7

(54,997 posts)
78. As a New Yorker, I support this though I fear it.
Fri Dec 13, 2024, 03:34 AM
Dec 2024

Trump hates New York and would allow it to go on as long as possible. But I am afraid only maximum pain to maximum numbers will get this country's head out of its ass.

I get that each of us will be caught in that.

dawn5651

(696 posts)
84. doug ford only speaks for 1 province and that is ontario. he has ambitions to become the
Fri Dec 13, 2024, 08:07 AM
Dec 2024

concrap prime minister.

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