Luigi Mangione's fellow inmates: Free him, 'conditions suck'

[WhiskeyGrinder]

https://www.newsnationnow.com/banfield/luigi-mangione-inmates/

The inmates yelled from their cells during a live broadcast of “Banfield,” describing the conditions at the State Correctional Institution Huntingdon in Pennsylvania.

“Luigi’s conditions suck,” inmates shouted to NewsNation’s Caprariello. “Free Luigi.” They also said Mangione doesn’t have a television in his cell and expressed their desire for him to waive his extradition challenge.

Mangione has a cell to himself and is kept away from other inmates. The prison menu, which inmates shouted was “terrible,” includes fruit, grits, scrambled eggs and “porcupine meatballs” for lunch, a dish made from ground beef and rice.

Video of incarcerated people shouting out to the reporters: https://www.newsnationnow.com/video/luigi-mangiones-fellow-inmates-free-him-conditions-suck-banfield/10291217

[ecstatic]

1. Ok, that was hilarious 🤣😆

It sounds like they have fun in that prison. I'm surprised the guards allowed that much shouting. Porcupine meatballs don't sound so bad.

[AZSkiffyGeek]

26. I love porcupines

My mom made those when I was growing up. Essentially meatballs with rice in spaghetti sauce.

[ecstatic]

46. yikes! It needs to be done with cheese!! lol

Spaghetti sauce on rice is a huge no no (at least for me). lol

[mucifer]

2. Why are they keeping him away from other inmates?

[LisaL]

4. I think that's pretty common with famous (infamous) prisoners.

NT

[LisaL]

3. They seem to be confused.

They are in jail, not a fancy hotel.
No TV in his room? The horrors!

[The Wandering Harper]

5. we could learn a lot from the Scandinavian countries

but we don't

[LisaL]

7. Those Scandinavian prisoners do have it good.

If we had those conditions in prisons, everyone would want to be arrested. And we already don't have enough prison space.

[ThePartyThatListens]

41. America is Puritan

Therefore jail/prison is not really about rehabilitation.

It's for some corrupted version of Biblical retribution and/or punishment.

[WhiskeyGrinder]

8. Confusion about what?

[LisaL]

9. Ok, lets put it in a different way.

They are in jail in the US, not in Sweden.

[WhiskeyGrinder]

22. Is prison supposed to be a punishment because of loss of freedom, or more than that?

[TommyT139]

59. if they were in Sweden...

The meatballs wouldn't have rice in them.

[Prairie Gates]

18. Sometimes I think nothing is more DU than

celebrations of carceral cruelty.

[WhiskeyGrinder]

21. yepppppp

[yardwork]

23. It's an interesting phenomenon.

And we're supposed to be the progressives.

[Think. Again.]

32. Well said.

[Duncan Grant]

34. I hear ya... (nt)

[happybird]

54. I think those people have

never been in jail or have incarcerated loved ones. I thought I was prepared for it but was shocked by how inhumane and unsanitary it was and I sure as hell wasn't expecting a country club.

[-misanthroptimist]

13. Maybe it is we who are confused.

Our prison system is barbaric and pointless. Our recidivism rates are ridiculously high -2/3rds reoffend within three years.

Norway, OTOH, runs their prisons more like a hotel, with a focus on rehabilitation rather than retribution. And guess what? Their recidivism rate is less than half ours. Yes, it costs more upfront, but the savings on the back end are enormous -even for the things that can be put into dollars. The saved lives and reduced fear make the comparison almost silly.

We do prison wrong.

[Kaleva]

15. Their homicide rate is far lower than ours to begin with

I imagine their violent crime rate is a smidgen compared to ours.

[-misanthroptimist]

20. So, what?

[Kaleva]

49. What efforts have you made to improve the conditions in the prisons?

My guess is that you've made none.

[-misanthroptimist]

61. That's an irrelevant deflection

[Think. Again.]

33. Yep, that's another clue we're doing it wrong.

[Kaleva]

35. Our prison system didn't create the criminals

[RobinA]

36. Oh, Yes It Does

Or, let's say it takes petty criminals and teaches them how to hit the big time.

[Kaleva]

50. Source's?

Many of our mass shooters and serial killers didn't have priors before committing their crimes so the prison system couldn't have created them.

"Analyzed separately, violent instant offenders and violent prior offenders both recidivated at a higher rate and for more serious crimes than non-violent offenders."

https://www.ussc.gov/research/research-reports/recidivism-among-federal-violent-offenders

Basically, a violent person is far more likely to continue being a violent person and end up back in prison while a nonviolent offender is far less likely to commit more crime after being released.

Which would suggest, at least to me, that our prison system doesn't turn petty or non violent criminals into violent criminals.

[Think. Again.]

37. Yes, it does.

[Kaleva]

51. Sources?

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"Analyzed separately, violent instant offenders and violent prior offenders both recidivated at a higher rate and for more serious crimes than non-violent offenders."

https://www.ussc.gov/research/research-reports/recidivism-among-federal-violent-offenders

Basically, a violent person is far more likely to continue being a violent person and end up back in prison while a nonviolent offender is far less likely to commit more crime after being released.

Which would suggest, at least to me, that our prison system doesn't turn petty or non violent criminals into violent criminals.

[Think. Again.]

55. ...

-snip-

"Norway

In some other countries, prisons and prison rates are severely more reformed. For example, Norway is often hailed as having the best prison system in the world for both those incarcerated, as well as the economy of the country. That’s right, the prisons in Norway promote economic growth. Not only are these prisons beneficial to the country, but they are not overly flooded and provide those incarcerated within them with opportunities for self-growth and trade skills to utilize once they leave the prison.

Beginning with their prison rate, Norway (population of around 5 million) has only 4,000 incarcerated people in their prison system. That’s around 75 people per 100,000, compared to the United States which has around 700 incarcerated people per 100,000. Additionally, Norway has a mere 20% recidivism rate, one of the lowest in the world, compared to a staggering 76.6% in the United States. In other words, in Norway when prisoners get out, they stay out. Here, when they get you, they’ll probably be back.

Not only are the number of people that we see in Norwegian prisons lower than that we see in the United States, but the quality of prisons in Norway is wildly different from those that we find here. With no bars on windows, kitchens stocked with sharp objects and camaraderie between prisoners and guards, prisons in Norway promote normalcy; moreover, they offer vocational training to inmates in order to prepare them for life once they leave the prison walls.

3.Conclusion

In the United States, the prison system is concerned with retribution first, then rehabilitation, but it’s clear that Norway’s method (rehabilitation first, then retribution) is more effective in lowering crime rates, lowering recidivism rates, and lowering prison rates. The United States is in dire need of prison reform as our current system becomes increasingly overflooded with multiple-time offenders. It’s time to make meaningful changes in our prison systems in order to ensure that those who leave prison walls don’t return, as well as lowering the number that becomes incarcerated, and Norwegian prisons are a prime example that the United States can use to start this process."

Source: https://sites.psu.edu/fowlercivicissues/2023/03/22/prisons-in-the-united-states-vs-norway/

[Kaleva]

56. The question was if our prison system creates violent criminals

I think we can agree that the US has far more 1st time violent criminals per capita then Norway does. I think we can agree that the US has far more people per capita living in dire poverty then Norway does. I think we can agree that the drug problem in the US is far greater than it is in Norway. I think we can agree that Norway has a much better social safety net then we do. I think we can agree that Norway has far fewer mass shooters and serial killers per capita then the US does.

Your source didn't differentiate between violent and non violent offenders. The source I provided stated that nonviolent offenders were far less likely to return to prison then violent ones. Ergo, our prison system doesn't turn nonviolent offenders into violent ones. Those who are violent were violent to begin with. Prison didn't turn them into that.

Norway, by any metric, is generally a peaceful and law abiding nation. Their prison system didn't make them that way. They can have the prison system they have because their population is generally peaceful to begin with as a full quarter of prisoners in Norway are foreign born.

".Approximately 26% of inmates are foreign-born."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incarceration_in_Norway

[Think. Again.]

57. No, please re-read the thread..

...the question was not if our prison systems creates VIOLENT criminals, it was if our prison system creates criminals , which obviously could only be in reference to recidivism (because people with no previous engagement with the prison system couldn't possibly be influenced by it).

[WhiskeyGrinder]

40. The money we spend on policing and incarceration defunds schools, libaries, social programs and other things that

prevent crime, soooo....

[Voltaire2]

43. the carceral system is intimately connected to policing, education, judicial and other institutions.

viewing it in isolation is a mistake.

See the rather good writeup here on wiki: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/School-to-prison_pipeline

[yardwork]

24. Apparently, US voters are more interested in cruelty than rehabilitation.

I think a lot of these attitudes go back to our history of enslavement and genocide. It's deeply embedded in U.S. psyche that "other people" are less than human and must be controlled with violence.

[sop]

27. That's why it's called the penal system.

[yardwork]

28. Maybe it's a bad system.

It doesn't seem to be working very well.

[kerry-is-my-prez]

48. No and a huge number of them are mentally ill and have substance abuse problems.

Prisons and jails are the leading mental health institutions - no joke. It’s obvious that people with these disorders are not getting any help except for in very rare cases.

[Voltaire2]

44. again, a person detained is not a person to be punished.

[sop]

45. I agree.

People who are charged and denied bail (or who can't afford bail) are jailed and treated like convicted criminals.

[RobinA]

38. The Concept of "Otherness"

is an animal thing, not a US thing.

[-misanthroptimist]

39. I reluctantly agree

It's very disheartening that that is whom we live among, but it's hard to see it any other way.

[Voltaire2]

30. He is in pre trial detention. He is not guilty of any crime (yet).

So other than being detained he should not be punished. Right?

[superpatriotman]

6. Porcupine meatballs

That brings me back to one of my least favorite dinners from a modest childhood.

[Kaleva]

14. I actually liked them

Just looked up a recipe and I'll print it out. It's been decades since the last time I've eaten them

[True Dough]

52. Your avatar

just brought me back to my childhood. What was the name of that children's show? Do you know?

[superpatriotman]

62. Davey and Goliath

Or recently - the opposite - Moral Orel.

[True Dough]

63. Yes!!!

I would never have recalled that in a million years. Thanks!

[Mosby]

10. In the Maricopa County jail system

The sheriff Paul Penzone has continued with Joe Arpiao's policies like not using salt in food or providing it to the inmates. They claim it saves the sheriff's office a whopping $20,000/yr. In addition, no meat is used in the two meals per day that's provided to the inmates, many of whom are awaiting trial and haven't been convicted of anything. They subsist on dinner rolls, peanut butter and a stew made from soy protein.

[RubyRose]

17. $20k for salt?

[sarisataka]

19. It is very good salt

[Mosby]

25. The Maricopa County Jail system holds around 9000 people

75% of whom are pending trial and haven't been convicted of anything. The Sheriff's Dept is short by around 800 correction/detention officers so they are paying out 100s of thousands per month in overtime pay. Yet all they care about the cost of salt. What they really care about is being as cruel as possible to the inmates.

[Bonx]

11. I'm pretty sure he will not be freed.

[Kaleva]

12. Thought this was the Onion

[MarineCombatEngineer]

16. Either the Onion or the Borowitz Report,

but I guess not.

[dchill]

29. Anything that elevates Ashleigh Banfield and NewsNation...

...is fine by me.

[republianmushroom]

31. Luigi Mangione maybe Times next person of the year.

Seems character of Times person of the year has gone south. So maybe.

46 months and counting

[LeftInTX]

42. I think there are more inmates who are worthy of freedom. Let's start with them.

[LeftInTX]

47. They're at it again. The inmates are all watching News Nation and shouting...

Since it's night they're turning on their "strobe lights". It's amazing that their voices carry all the way to the reporter's mic!




Inmates want Luigi to go to Riker's Island

&t=692s&ab_channel=NewsNation

[Trellastic]

53. I hope the jail Luigi is in has a library.

And I hope that he receives many letters of encouragement.

[IcyPeas]

58. They did this again on tonights show... communicating with the inmates.

[artemisia1]

60. A murderer kills a mass murderer.... /nt