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Passages

(2,166 posts)
Thu Dec 12, 2024, 09:33 AM Dec 2024

How AARP Shills for UnitedHealthcare

Today on TAP: Why does the supposed advocate for the elderly steer them to the industry’s worst insurer?

by Robert Kuttner December 11, 2024


We still don’t know quite why the assassin of Brian Thompson targeted the CEO of UnitedHealthcare. But it’s hardly a secret that UnitedHealthcare has the worst record among all large insurers in denying necessary medical care to its subscribers.

The data confirm what far too many patients experience. In 2023, UnitedHealth’s denial rate of claims was 32 percent, compared to an industry average of 16 percent. Nonprofits had a far better record than for-profits.

I had assumed that UnitedHealth’s business model was to lowball premiums and then more than make up the profit by denying claims. But it’s even worse than that.

SNIP

Why on earth would consumers buy such a flawed insurance product? It helps if they are captive customers, steered to UnitedHealth by a trusted source.

That would be AARP.

https://prospect.org/blogs-and-newsletters/tap/2024-12-11-how-aarp-shills-for-unitedhealthcare/

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The shilling started under Dub... Hugin Dec 2024 #1
That is more due to their Advantage Care plans, because their Medigap supplemental plans do not have that issue. JohnSJ Dec 2024 #2
Does AARP steer any customers toward UHC's medigap plans? EYESORE 9001 Dec 2024 #3
In reality, that's it. The Advantage plans take over Medicare basic coverage, and that is where they have full control JohnSJ Dec 2024 #5
Yep...all those part B premium $$ (auto-deducted from Social Security checks) stop being held by the allegorical oracle Dec 2024 #15
and with Oz head of Medicare, everyone on Medicare, no matter whether they have a supplemental or not is threatened. JohnSJ Dec 2024 #16
Yes. More seniors will hopefully learn that before they sign with UnitedHealthcare. Passages Dec 2024 #4
It isn't UHC per se. It is because they sign up for an UHC Advantage Plan. That is where they give all control to the JohnSJ Dec 2024 #6
The issue is they do sign up UHC and they are then denied care. Passages Dec 2024 #8
If affordability is an issue for some then they need to see if they qualify for Medicaid. All Advantage Plans make the JohnSJ Dec 2024 #9
I am aware of the scope of culprits and I agree reform is necessary. Passages Dec 2024 #10
Unless something radically changes, unfortunately, November 5 has made that unlikely for the foreseeable future. JohnSJ Dec 2024 #12
A nightmare is coming. Passages Dec 2024 #17
I agree. JohnSJ Dec 2024 #20
UHC offers Medicare Advantage plans, Medicare Supplement plans, and Medicare Part D plans Ms. Toad Dec 2024 #18
This message was self-deleted by its author dalton99a Dec 2024 #23
You have to go back 30 years to suggest they don't rank as uniformly evil. Passages Dec 2024 #24
'Royalties', because they are the King of the Scamsters skimming off the pensioner crowd. Celerity Dec 2024 #7
+1. Humana Medicare Advantage is just as bad. dalton99a Dec 2024 #11
They all are, which is why Advantage Plans are not a good deal. As some have pointed out that for some affordability is JohnSJ Dec 2024 #13
and no matter what they may tell you, it is not easy to change back, where the insurance company can refuse it. JohnSJ Dec 2024 #14
This message was self-deleted by its author dalton99a Dec 2024 #21
Yes he is dalton, and my big concern is he may try to force anyone on a supplemental plan to an Advantage Plan. JohnSJ Dec 2024 #22
I wonder if there are ANY good health insurance plans in the USA. mucifer Dec 2024 #19

Hugin

(35,836 posts)
1. The shilling started under Dub...
Thu Dec 12, 2024, 09:36 AM
Dec 2024

There was a big brouhaha at the time. Now, largely forgotten.

JohnSJ

(98,074 posts)
2. That is more due to their Advantage Care plans, because their Medigap supplemental plans do not have that issue.
Thu Dec 12, 2024, 09:42 AM
Dec 2024

and it isn't just UHC. Atena and others were denying claims also.

The fact is if the basic Medicare covers it, then the supplemental will cover it.

With an advantage plan the insurance company takes over the basic Medicare coverage, and that is where the denial problems occur.

This has been going on for sometime, and because the initial upfront premium cost for an advantage plan appears to be cheaper, unless you have no health issues, it could end up costing you significantly more.

EYESORE 9001

(27,875 posts)
3. Does AARP steer any customers toward UHC's medigap plans?
Thu Dec 12, 2024, 09:46 AM
Dec 2024

Nah. It’s all about Medicare advantage plans.

JohnSJ

(98,074 posts)
5. In reality, that's it. The Advantage plans take over Medicare basic coverage, and that is where they have full control
Thu Dec 12, 2024, 09:53 AM
Dec 2024

over denying claims.

If one has a supplemental plan under any insurance company not just UHC, if basic Medicare covers it, then the supplemental plan will also.

Too many people are enticed by the low premiums and other coverage included with advantage plans that they don't fully understand the implications.

and to directly answer your question, AARP does not try to steer people toward Advantage plans, though ALL health insurance providers themselves try to do that. You see it on their commercials constantly when open enrollment comes due.


allegorical oracle

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15. Yep...all those part B premium $$ (auto-deducted from Social Security checks) stop being held by the
Thu Dec 12, 2024, 11:01 AM
Dec 2024

U. S. Treasury and are paid out to the private insurance carriers. The 2025 amount is $185/mo. per Medicare recipient. That's how the companies can afford to spend zillions on those Advantage plan commercials every Fall.

JohnSJ

(98,074 posts)
16. and with Oz head of Medicare, everyone on Medicare, no matter whether they have a supplemental or not is threatened.
Thu Dec 12, 2024, 11:03 AM
Dec 2024

Passages

(2,166 posts)
4. Yes. More seniors will hopefully learn that before they sign with UnitedHealthcare.
Thu Dec 12, 2024, 09:49 AM
Dec 2024
According to AARP’s audited financial report, AARP made $289.3 million from member dues, but $1.134 billion from kickbacks from insurers, of which the lion’s share, $905 million, was from health insurers. AARP delicately refers to these as royalties.

And somehow, because it is a nonprofit, AARP manages to avoid income taxes on this kickback income. Despite Congress’s efforts over the years to make nonprofits pay taxes on commercial income, AARP paid only about $3 million in federal income taxes on “royalties” of well over a billion.

JohnSJ

(98,074 posts)
6. It isn't UHC per se. It is because they sign up for an UHC Advantage Plan. That is where they give all control to the
Thu Dec 12, 2024, 09:57 AM
Dec 2024

insurance company.

If they just sign up for a supplemental plan, they won't have that problem, because anything that basic Medicare Covers, the Supplemental will also, and this applies to all health insurance companies under medicare.

The most dangerous threat coming down the line though is if Oz takes over Medicare, all the rules can change, and it can be a disaster to anybody on Medicare.

Passages

(2,166 posts)
8. The issue is they do sign up UHC and they are then denied care.
Thu Dec 12, 2024, 10:07 AM
Dec 2024

The Medigap plans are not all affordable for many seniors, so Americans remain vulnerable on many levels.

For profit healthcare is a disaster.

JohnSJ

(98,074 posts)
9. If affordability is an issue for some then they need to see if they qualify for Medicaid. All Advantage Plans make the
Thu Dec 12, 2024, 10:21 AM
Dec 2024

consumer vulnerable to the insurance company, and it isn't just UHC. Atena and others have also been accused of denial of claims.

In perspective though, for an older person, the Medicare supplemental premiums are not excessive though.

That does not mean that healthcare does not need reform in this country though, it does, and it isn't just the insurance companies.

Hospitals and Medical facilities are notorious for "padding the bill", along with other issues that need to be addressed.



Passages

(2,166 posts)
10. I am aware of the scope of culprits and I agree reform is necessary.
Thu Dec 12, 2024, 10:40 AM
Dec 2024
https://www.medicaid.gov/medicaid/eligibility-policy/index.html

Medicaid Income Eligibility Levels
https://www.nyc.gov/assets/ochia/downloads/pdf/all_populations_medicaid.pdf




Universal healthcare once and for all is our remedy. There is no sound reason not to fight for it.

An American tragedy that took place on the streets of NYC unique to our society has pulled back the rawness of what many people suffer due to a corrupt system.

I want Democrats to be the remedy.

JohnSJ

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12. Unless something radically changes, unfortunately, November 5 has made that unlikely for the foreseeable future.
Thu Dec 12, 2024, 10:53 AM
Dec 2024

Ms. Toad

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18. UHC offers Medicare Advantage plans, Medicare Supplement plans, and Medicare Part D plans
Thu Dec 12, 2024, 12:47 PM
Dec 2024

So saying "they sign up UHC" is relatively meaningless.

The UHC Medicare Supplement plans were, by far, the cheapest supplement plans available - in Nebraska 30 years ago, again in Ohio around 15 years ago when my father had the opportunity to switch, and again 2 years ago when I shopped plans in Ohio.

I didn't even look at the Medicare Advantage plans.

I've recently looked at Part D plans, and UHC is among the most expensive.

While I agree for profit healthcare is a disaster, UHC is not uniformly evil.

Response to Ms. Toad (Reply #18)

Passages

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24. You have to go back 30 years to suggest they don't rank as uniformly evil.
Thu Dec 12, 2024, 10:23 PM
Dec 2024

UnitedHealthcare Denies More Claims Than Other Insurers

Forbes
https://www.forbes.com › Innovation
7 days ago — ... UHC is perhaps the country's worst offender. When it ... But according to one of the firm's reports on insurance claim denial rates, UHC ...

Celerity

(48,502 posts)
7. 'Royalties', because they are the King of the Scamsters skimming off the pensioner crowd.
Thu Dec 12, 2024, 09:59 AM
Dec 2024

dalton99a

(87,224 posts)
11. +1. Humana Medicare Advantage is just as bad.
Thu Dec 12, 2024, 10:52 AM
Dec 2024

My neighbor signed up for it instead of a supplement. She now regrets that decision. I have seen the denials and letters written by her doctors. It's insane.




JohnSJ

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13. They all are, which is why Advantage Plans are not a good deal. As some have pointed out that for some affordability is
Thu Dec 12, 2024, 10:56 AM
Dec 2024

a problem for supplemental plans, and the only alternative today for those in that position need to see if they qualify for Medicaid, otherwise they have no choice.


JohnSJ

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14. and no matter what they may tell you, it is not easy to change back, where the insurance company can refuse it.
Thu Dec 12, 2024, 10:59 AM
Dec 2024

Last edited Thu Dec 12, 2024, 01:40 PM - Edit history (1)

The danger is now that the sociopath is in control, things are unlikely to get better, and with Oz as head of Medicare, EVERYONE on Medicare is at risk, including those on a supplemental plan.


Response to JohnSJ (Reply #14)

JohnSJ

(98,074 posts)
22. Yes he is dalton, and my big concern is he may try to force anyone on a supplemental plan to an Advantage Plan.
Thu Dec 12, 2024, 01:41 PM
Dec 2024
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