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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsKennedy's Lawyer Has Asked the F.D.A. to Revoke Approval of the Polio Vaccine
This was in today's NYT online edition. Not giving a link because there's a firewall.
"The lawyer helping Robert F. Kennedy Jr. pick federal health officials for the incoming Trump administration has petitioned the government to revoke its approval of the polio vaccine, which for decades has protected millions of people from a virus that can cause paralysis or death.
That campaign is just one front in the war that the lawyer, Aaron Siri, is waging against vaccines of all kinds. . . . ."
Voltaire2
(14,878 posts)Jit423
(431 posts)A brain infested, privileged, heroine addict is recommending that the polio vaccine be rescinded. That really says it all about the Trump administration. Why aren't white parents up in arms about this? Most black people are going to take their shots unless they have become MAGA too. There were six cases of polio in our small town outside of Philly back in '49. No one died but they are were crippled for life and had to use those horrendous crutches. Wonder if the idiot will call for rescinding the small pox vax too?
ShazzieB
(18,925 posts)But if it ever did get loose, I'm sure RFK Jr would be advising people not get vaccinated for it.
Vinca
(51,240 posts)This should disqualify him immediately, but it won't. Republicans who are now putting party and their own elections over country will line up to put him in office.
LiberalArkie
(16,658 posts)They really want their plutocracy really bad.
Norbert
(6,614 posts)but remember enough to know we don't go back to the horrors of polio.
redstatebluegirl
(12,503 posts)He was in an iron lung and died when we were just kids. It was a horrible death.
WhiteTara
(30,227 posts)He had a crippled leg after leaving his iron lung.
RobinA
(10,197 posts)just doesn't carry the weight it once did.
peregrinus
(409 posts)Even when COVID is no longer center stage. The pain and cruelty are a feature not a bug.
Irish_Dem
(59,727 posts)My mother was a young RN during the polio epidemic here and I still remember her stories about it.
ProudMNDemocrat
(19,175 posts)I remember the Sugar cube. I also have my Smallpox scar on my left arm.
I am alive today due to the COVID vaccines and Boosters, vaccines for RSV, Shingles(I had Chicken Pox bad when I was 6), Pneumococcal Pneumonia, as well as my annual Flu Shots. I WILL NOT trust what Bobby Jr. has to say, being that he is NOT a medical professional of any kind.
People are STUPID if they believe his LIES.
Irish_Dem
(59,727 posts)I remember my mothers stories about working on the iron lung ward. Horrific.
She said one time she was talking to young man who had come to the hospital ER, he was not feeling well but standing and talking to her. He suddenly collapsed, dropped dead right at her feet. He had polio.
She said young healthy people seemed the hardest hit.
kskiska
(27,116 posts)I remember how unlucky kids disappeared from school and were sent to an upstate (Connecticut) hospital to be cared for.
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newdeal2
(1,135 posts)Im expecting yes and that will tell me everything I need to know about the next four years.
Believe t hat 1/4 to 50 percent of Americans are so feckin ignorant as to vote for those hated repukes. And a whole lot more are so vfuckin lazy and couldnt get oout of their fart sacks to vote. Pathetic.
LisaM
(28,748 posts)I'm assuming you mentioned McConnell because he is a polio survivor. I don't know if RFK's nomination will even succeed at all, but McConnell must have some thoughts on this.
If he doesnt stick up for himself on this, hes even more cowardly than I thought.
Think. Again.
(19,097 posts)Timeflyer
(2,722 posts)BigMin28
(1,487 posts)If there are $$$ to be stolen, the HellBeast will do it.
kskiska
(27,116 posts)C0RI0LANUS
(1,872 posts)What would he say about this idea?
no_hypocrisy
(49,197 posts)Will he also petition The Treasury to remove FDR from dimes (March of Dimes)?
C0RI0LANUS
(1,872 posts)?itok=rXp68Adj
greymattermom
(5,797 posts)won't cover treatment. Iron lung don't exist now.
dsc
(52,694 posts)They are virtually obsolete (there is literally one person in the entire US still using one). They got replaced by modern ventilators and tracheotomies.
MayReasonRule
(1,938 posts)marble falls
(62,523 posts)... casual of notions screwing around with national health. They will kill people. It would seem likely more of their own.
BoRaGard
(3,168 posts)is a sicko thing
bucolic_frolic
(47,607 posts)Wear your crown of thorns, sheeple!
OneGrassRoot
(23,444 posts)hatrack
(61,194 posts)bronxiteforever
(9,559 posts)Joinfortmill
(16,631 posts)Passages
(1,430 posts)Let's pardon the convicted felon who hired this lunatic? Ok
bronxiteforever
(9,559 posts)The joke is on me. This Country is so ignorant its going to kill itself. Not much else to say.
Marthe48
(19,336 posts)My Dad was 6'6". My uncle was about 5'5", bent and twisted. If he hadn't gotten polio, he would've been as tall as my Dad.
One of my classmates in grade school had polio, had braces on both legs and used crutches to get around.
My husband had a friend who survived polio as a child, He was the luckiest, Walked, I guess I should say lumbered, on his own.
The idea of leading with the best result for the most is gone. Now, it is a pissing contest and losers who gain a leadership role do what they want for their own pleasure. Maybe when the consumer pool turns into the consumption pool, the oligarchs will realize that their income is going to drop like a hot rock.
rurallib
(63,293 posts)The pain got too much when he was about 50 and did himself in. He said it was excruciating.
Marthe48
(19,336 posts)I sympathize with your family. My uncle probably suffered, too. His upper body was twisted and one shoulder was much higher than the other. We'll see more of that with rwnj shoving social medicine over the cliff.
Passages
(1,430 posts)I'm not sure what percentage of Americans are aware that is a real consequence of polio, that kind of pain.
rurallib
(63,293 posts)his wife was devastated
peggysue2
(11,519 posts)He spent 14 months in an iron lung. He was lucky in one respect. He had enough diaphragm control to manage his breathing with a lot of training and persistence. He was 42 years old when he contracted polio. He died in his late 50s. The disease definitely limited and shortened his life.
I was a kid at the time and had the advantage of the vaccine. It was only later I found out that my uncle was, in fact, responsible for ensuring that every kid in our county received their vaccinations. Something of a cruel twist that he ended up infected.
Prohibiting these vaccinations is absolutely insane and will only result in unnecessary death and suffering. What's next? Forbid the use of antibiotics? These people are nuts!
Jose Garcia
(2,921 posts)Kennedys Lawyer Has Asked the F.D.A. to Revoke Approval of the Polio Vaccine
The lawyer helping Robert F. Kennedy Jr. pick federal health officials for the incoming Trump administration has petitioned the government to revoke its approval of the polio vaccine, which for decades has protected millions of people from a virus that can cause paralysis or death.
That campaign is just one front in the war that the lawyer, Aaron Siri, is waging against vaccines of all kinds.
Mr. Siri has also filed a petition seeking to pause the distribution of 13 other vaccines; challenged, and in some cases quashed, Covid vaccine mandates around the country; sued federal agencies for the disclosure of records related to vaccine approvals; and subjected prominent vaccine scientists to grueling videotaped depositions.
Much of Mr. Siris work including the polio petition filed in 2022 has been on behalf of the Informed Consent Action Network, a nonprofit whose founder is a close ally of Mr. Kennedy. Mr. Siri also represented Mr. Kennedy during his presidential campaign.
More: https://www.nytimes.com/2024/12/13/health/aaron-siri-rfk-jr-vaccines.html
DeeDeeNY
(3,582 posts)littlemissmartypants
(25,906 posts)allegorical oracle
(3,397 posts)approved, he'll moderate at least some of his views. However, these appointees don't open up shop alone. They bring their acolytes, assistants, and influencers with them to enjoy the ride. Many of them relish being suddenly important and find they get even more attention if they're extreme. That can be dangerous.
spanone
(137,662 posts)littlemissmartypants
(25,906 posts)spanone
(137,662 posts)Crippled for life.
This is just absolutely crazy talk.
Happy Hoosier
(8,558 posts)Time to invest in an Iron Lung company.
lame54
(37,208 posts)CrispyQ
(38,590 posts)My grandfather had polio & my grandmother made damned sure the whole family got the vax when it came out.
Marthe48
(19,336 posts)My grandparents and parents lived in eras that didn't have vaccines, and since they loved us, we got every vaccince that was available.
Buns_of_Fire
(17,947 posts)is probably Robert Francis Kennedy, Jr.
bucolic_frolic
(47,607 posts)We may as well be under attack.
yorkster
(2,516 posts)The words murderous rage come to mind.
I hope there's one hell of a backlash to this insanity.
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WestMichRad
(1,886 posts)This takes the cake. Yeesh!
Solly Mack
(93,210 posts)TBF
(34,754 posts)that is my only hope at this point. What a disaster.
littlemissmartypants
(25,906 posts)Take care of that fire wall.
https://www.archivebuttons.com/
It's already been archived several times:
https://archive.ph/https://www.nytimes.com/2024/12/13/health/aaron-siri-rfk-jr-vaccines.html
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DeeDeeNY
(3,582 posts)littlemissmartypants
(25,906 posts)GiqueCee
(1,518 posts)... bucket of pig shit Kennedy is. Same goes for that asshole lawyer, and every other anti-vaxxer Satan ever shat out.
People my age all knew friends who suffered, and sometimes died from polio. I got the vaccine in elementary school, and I'm glad I did. I have nothing but burning contempt for the pathological attention seekers that prey on the ill-informed. They are irredeemably rotten people.
EndlessWire
(7,292 posts)for the pain they want to inflict on people. Absolute insanity. Pure evil people.
I remember standing in lines with my Mama, receiving sugar cube and vaccinations. Thank G-d she cared enough about me to take that time.
There's a place in hell for people who deny other people an easy solution to avoid illness. Why do they always think that they will avoid getting caught in a snare of their own doing? Utterly stupid people.
What's the first thing tRump did? Ran to a hospital for treatment. Wait until they or their kin show up at a hospital only to be told, "There's nothing we can do for you. Go away."
reACTIONary
(6,157 posts)Marthe48
(19,336 posts)God doesn't want us to kill, yet, stopping vaccine programs because a worm impaired junkie thinks, but isn't a scientist, that vaccines are bad, he wants to end a solution to having a large portion of the American population who are walking around lame, halt, and dying. Vaccines have been tested time and again and correlations between vaccines and autism, for example, have not been found. But junkie boy wants to stop all vaccination programs, risk the health and lives of generations of Americans, kill forced birth babies in the arms of their reproductive slaves, and on top of that, his ilk want to remove intensive treatment for people with autism. They also want to end DEI, which would make it easier for ailing people to get jobs, and they want to end food
programs to the poor. Maybe they didn't want an untrained uncontrolled militia to start a war. Maybe they just want armed humans to shoot unarmed humans with health problems.
DeeDeeNY
(3,582 posts)I think we can be fairly certain that Trump doesn't believe in any religion.
walkingman
(8,550 posts)by so-called Christians. No way could you be elected otherwise (this is the Bible Belt). However their actions say otherwise in almost every category. Immigration, healthcare, childcare, environment, foreign policy, elder care...you name the category.
So when you question how they square it with their God - their God is their party in a quest to sustain power. The mantel of being a Christian is simply a way to garner votes to a very uninformed public that maybe for the most part is doing the same thing in their everyday lives.
I still consider religions to be the destroyers of humanity. They are the primary reason we are not better than this.
Keepthesoulalive
(811 posts)If they do he becomes a reflection of who they are and many times he is a hateful ,vengeful and murderous god. Jesus they never knew him.
Skittles
(160,319 posts)THAT'S HOW
randr
(12,498 posts)These people are the most unAmerican you could find anywhere.
Ray Bruns
(4,735 posts)mcar
(43,621 posts)The suffering and death will be on your hands, Turtle man.
LisaM
(28,748 posts)She lived in Germany at the time. The only iron lungs available were at US Army facilities so her brother, who was an epidemiologist, flew to Germany in a rush and got her into one because she had done some translation work that very loosely qualified her as a government employee. She survived but went from being an athletic and active woman (she had climbed Mt. Rainier) to being wheelchair bound and only able to walk very short distances with crutches.
I recently came across some of her writings and her descriptions of days when she was gasping for air and how just breathing was something that was a daily obsession was heart wrenching. She kept a pretty cheerful outlook, but it gave her a case of arrested development. Everything was defined by the before and after of her illness. It eventually killed her, in her late 70s, when she got what was termed 'polio lung', her lungs just ceased functioning. That may sound oldish, but most of the women in her family lived well into their 90s and in one case to 103.
iluvtennis
(20,948 posts)Blue_Tires
(56,735 posts)And I'm not going to stand in the way of Trumpers hellbent on killing themselves and their kids because they think they're "owning the libs" or whatever... Far as I'm concerned, less Trumpers is always a good thing... Let them pray away the polio, diphtheria, pertussis, cholera, tuberculosis, etc...
90-percent
(6,909 posts)The only good Trumper is a dead Trumper
-90% jimmy
SpankMe
(3,316 posts)DFW
(56,896 posts)Last edited Fri Dec 13, 2024, 12:38 PM - Edit history (1)
And then, make sure many of those afflicted will not be able to afford treatment.
Votre Excellence, le Marquis de Sade, may I present his Highness, Prince Machiavelli?
I have a Republican Administration for which the two of you will enjoy being joint role models!
bif
(24,255 posts)Un-frikken-believable.
WhiteTara
(30,227 posts)Skittles
(160,319 posts)the reason we currently DON'T get boosters for polio is because due to the vaccine it was pretty much over......all bets are off with these incoming fascist assholes when (not if) it made a comeback
moondust
(20,516 posts)Started with COVID and "injecting bleach," now preventable infectious diseases after "revoking" vaccines, then hunger and lack of health care after gutting Social Security and Medicare, then gutting the VA, then scrapping car-crash reporting, then...
Death Toll Associated With Trump Administration Goes Beyond Covid-19, Says Lancet Report
patphil
(7,116 posts)A polio epidemic in the US could kill thousands of children each year, and cripple 10's of thousands more.
https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/reported-paralytic-polio-cases-and-deaths-in-the-united-states-since-1910
The rise in Autism is much more likely the result of changes to the definition of Autism than to vaccines. RFK jr's claim is not supported by scientific studies.
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/the-real-reasons-autism-rates-are-up-in-the-u-s/
If RFK jr. is made Secretary of Health and Human Services, he would be in a position to adversely affect FDA policies on vaccines, potentially harming millions of Americans. This could make him the biggest mass murderer in US history.
pandr32
(12,277 posts)That would be devastating.
Scrivener7
(53,202 posts)of its ass, bring the horror and let's get it over with.
Lulu KC
(5,019 posts)This one takes today's cake.
MineralMan
(147,990 posts)I remember getting my polio shot while I was in grammar school.
Problem is, I'm old and most people are not. They don't remember, because they got the polio vaccine as babies and don't even remember getting it. Nobody gets polio any more. And now, nobody remembers what that was like.
My brother-in-law had polio as a child. Got it before the shot was available. He's the same age I am. He remembers. He came through it OK, but not everyone did.
Now we have this moron who is a relative of JFK. He doesn't remember. He has no freaking idea what that was like for parents of young children in the 1940s and 50s. Then, we had the vaccine, and within a few years, polio was a forgotten thing.
Amazing. The thing is that most of our Senators are too young to remember, too. They got the vaccine, but don't remember that, either. They've never known anyone who had polio. It doesn't exist in their minds. They'll probably ignore this. They're idiots, if they do, but they probably will.
lonely bird
(1,972 posts)If I wrote what I want to write my post would be removed.
in2herbs
(3,228 posts)evidence and clinical trials to support his theory. Don't waste time giving this f****r air.
The Unmitigated Gall
(4,620 posts)My first grandchild is coming soon, and by god, he'd better be able to get vaccinated...
Liberal In Texas
(14,635 posts)I guess that what they mean by taking the country back - backwards.
bucolic_frolic
(47,607 posts)Car crashes? Stop with all the safety regulation.
Vaccines? Who needs them? Polio will re-establish, and will infect elders vaccinated 60 years ago too. Rabies? No shots for dogs.
This is like 2A. Death everywhere.
NameAlreadyTaken
(1,646 posts)Probably never got over the death of his father RFK and now has a death wish of revenge.
whopis01
(3,748 posts)Paul Alexander lived in that machine for over 70 years.
He contracted it in the summer 1952, the same summer when Jonas Salk began testing his polio vaccine on human subjects.
He contracted Covid-19 in February of this year and died in March.
https://apnews.com/article/paul-alexander-iron-lung-dies-1c320147b3df93bfd6e59c3f12c66657
The thought of throwing away all the combined human achievement that went into the development of that vaccine and others is unimaginable.
3auld6phart
(1,306 posts)What the fuck is happening down there. fucking freaks running the Government agencies. The sooner trump and his appointment ed freaks piss off. The better. Is that asshole rfk hell bent on killing more Americans.Die you little pissant freak..
endless summer
(35 posts)Polio is highly contagious, do these idiots think that their offspring are going to be magically immune? My children had all of their vaccines, not of them ever contracted diphtheria, pertussis, tetanus, measles or polio, gee I wonder why.
LeftInTX
(30,617 posts)It is a devastating disease. Unlike former "childhood illinesses", it is permanent.
Apparently, it is asymptomatic in 90% of people who aquire it. I believe it is related to West Nile Virus. However, the vector is different. (water, waste borne vs mosquito)
incoming administration just seems hellbent on killing Americans through denying life saving vaccines, proven medical treatments, and allowing quackery treatments.
Why are they doing this? Kennedy was born around the time that the polio vaccine came out. He may not have had direct experience with polio survivors, but we all heard the stories and understood the horror of the disease. Is this some kind of a bizarre religious thing? A deliberate attempt to kill Americans? Direction from Putin? I just cant wrap my head around the motivation for doing this.
bucolic_frolic
(47,607 posts)No one knows how long the vaccination lasts, because it was eradicated. Would an old person today catch it? DPT for example requires booster shots. So obviously does Covid. The faster they reduce the population the more money for Billionaires.
DeeDeeNY
(3,582 posts)Everyone who received the polio vaccine in childhood assumed it would last a lifetime.
3catwoman3
(25,676 posts)...every summer, the peak season for it, that either my brother (1954) or I (1951) would contact this dreaded virus. She was beyond ecstatic when the vaccine was approved and available.
The pediatric practice from which I retired in March 2021 finally firmed up their vaccine policy and will no longer accept patients/families who chose not to immunize. They have worded it politely, saying that parents who do not wish to immunize should look elsewhere for a practice that is consistent with their beliefs.
I wish they had done this during the almost 25 years I was the peds NP there. The moment I'd hear a parents say they did not "believe" in immunizations, I always knew it would be an exercise in futility and a waste of breath to attempt to convince them otherwise.
struggle4progress
(120,554 posts)Crunchy Frog
(27,121 posts)The Unmitigated Gall
(4,620 posts)Phoenix61
(17,725 posts)I was planning to get one anyway due to travel plans.
Think. Again.
(19,097 posts)nitpicked
(866 posts)Does he have shares in brace makers?
LeftInTX
(30,617 posts)alarimer
(16,644 posts)We are ALL in danger if this happens.
Fuck these people. I hope they all fucking die. I don't care how.
Oopsie Daisy
(4,556 posts)Nigrum Cattus
(230 posts)The link above is what the right wing religious extremists really want
LeftInTX
(30,617 posts)helpisontheway
(5,278 posts)I read that I would probably need my second shot in a couple of months. Wonder if I will have time to complete it before he decides to stop that one too.
Picaro
(1,846 posts)These people are completely nuts.
Lets get rid of not just vaccines, but antibiotics also.
Let the dying begin.
LeftInTX
(30,617 posts)turbinetree
(25,436 posts)Did you get vaccinations to attend school ..................because when I was attending school either here in the states or on foreign soil I had to have my shots .............if I didn't have then then I could not go to school................this lawyer and that jerk had to have gotten shots, they would not have gotten this far if they did not have Polio and measles, small pox vaccinations .and they had to be tested for TB................all the nominees had to have gotten vaccinations..................end of story..............ask them prove that they did not have to have shots to go to a public of private school.............show the public your records for admittance .........JFC.................
Seinan Sensei
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One a family friend
The other a roommate
Both were musicians
Both crippled by polio
In a just world, RFK Jr & Aaron Siri would have to stand in front of THEM, would have to sell my two friends on the crackpot notion that we should stop polio vaccines
Fuck Junior, and fuck that Lawyer he rode-in on
turbinetree
(25,436 posts)he had I believe at a Boy Scout camp in 1921. And then when the sugar cube came out I remember standing in my public school line at air force base in California in 1950''s and taking the vaccine along with the measles shots and other test for TB.
So for these two assholes to say that the polio vaccine should be questioned along with his other neophytes................they really can go pound sand ..................lots of it.
I can still remember a childhood friend at the air force base in Rapid City, South Dakota , "Woody" was his name no one wanted to play with him because his left arm he had gotten polio, no one wanted to play with him and I asked my mother about it and she said play ball with him............we were ......8 or 9 years old, we would play catch, he would catch the ball put the glove to the ground and then throw the ball back...............
Again the question needs to be asked if this person gets to sit in front of desk during his conformation .........Can you show us your vaccination shots you got when you were a kid to get into school............yes or no and if no why not..............what are you hiding ass wipe.
And your friends are still friends .................theses hypocrites of hate and bullshit could or would not be be man enough to stand in front of them (your friends) and tell them anything except lie to their face, they are just like that orange hair traitor getting a free pass as we speak now ...........and the media is failing on putting these assholes in a corner and asking questions instead of bullshit..........
Just for reference.......they should ask these assholes where you not told this fact ........and again did you not get vaccination shots to go to school yes or no ..........see below..........
https://www.who.int/news-room/spotlight/history-of-vaccination/history-of-polio-vaccination
pansypoo53219
(21,789 posts)at least kill chicken pox so shingles goes away.
Shrek
(4,177 posts)The petition asks for suspension of approval on one specific vaccine but two others commonly in use are not affected.
This is not a request to universally do away with polio vaccines.
https://icandecide.org/wp-content/uploads/2023/05/Petition-IPOL-2022-08-23.pdf