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DeeDeeNY

(3,582 posts)
Fri Dec 13, 2024, 08:31 AM Dec 13

Kennedy's Lawyer Has Asked the F.D.A. to Revoke Approval of the Polio Vaccine

This was in today's NYT online edition. Not giving a link because there's a firewall.
"The lawyer helping Robert F. Kennedy Jr. pick federal health officials for the incoming Trump administration has petitioned the government to revoke its approval of the polio vaccine, which for decades has protected millions of people from a virus that can cause paralysis or death.
That campaign is just one front in the war that the lawyer, Aaron Siri, is waging against vaccines of all kinds. . . . ."

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Kennedy's Lawyer Has Asked the F.D.A. to Revoke Approval of the Polio Vaccine (Original Post) DeeDeeNY Dec 13 OP
Make America Gasp for air Again. Voltaire2 Dec 13 #1
What the hell is wrong with these people. They can hardly wait to be able to cause the death of someone. Jit423 Dec 13 #111
Fortunately, smallpox no longers exists in the "wild." ShazzieB Dec 13 #118
Truly astonishing. Lots of us on this site are old enough to remember when there wasn't a vaccine. Vinca Dec 13 #2
Putting party first, not really. I believe it is for the old Kruschev thing of destroy America from within. LiberalArkie Dec 13 #28
I received the Polio vaccine in the 2nd grade Norbert Dec 13 #32
My friend Andy had polio. redstatebluegirl Dec 13 #49
My friend Kenny did too. WhiteTara Dec 13 #70
Being Demonstrably Stupid RobinA Dec 13 #69
Continuing Trumps disastrous pandemic policies peregrinus Dec 13 #3
Oh my god. The SOB wants a polio epidemic in the US. Irish_Dem Dec 13 #4
I have a few friends who caught Polio in the early 1950's. ProudMNDemocrat Dec 13 #33
People will die if they believe his lies. Irish_Dem Dec 13 #57
I got my two shots & booster before the sugar cube came out. kskiska Dec 13 #97
This message was self-deleted by its author kskiska Dec 13 #98
Is Mitch going to vote to confirm? newdeal2 Dec 13 #5
Can't 3auld6phart Dec 13 #38
That will be an interesting test. LisaM Dec 13 #61
Yup newdeal2 Dec 13 #101
He is. Think. Again. Dec 13 #106
Let him spend a week in an iron lung. Or indefinitely. Timeflyer Dec 13 #6
+1000. Paladin Dec 13 #13
The Trump Iron Lung BigMin28 Dec 13 #16
He couldn't fit in one. kskiska Dec 13 #99
We have a friend in a wheelchair because of polio. She came from overseas and didn't get the shot in time. C0RI0LANUS Dec 13 #7
NFW!! no_hypocrisy Dec 13 #8
I am old enough to remember the pishkas for March of Dimes and the nuclear "duck and cover" drills in school. C0RI0LANUS Dec 13 #116
Nest up, Health insurance greymattermom Dec 13 #9
I was curious and looked it up dsc Dec 13 #26
Here's The Archive Link For Those That Would Like To Read It... MayReasonRule Dec 13 #10
Of course he did. These guys are laughable, but they are not joking around. They are on the most ... marble falls Dec 13 #11
The republicon War on America's Health BoRaGard Dec 13 #12
Religious Zealots. Salvation through Suffering. A population in pain is compliant. bucolic_frolic Dec 13 #14
Add eugenics and natural selection and what a cocktail for death and destruction. n/t OneGrassRoot Dec 13 #17
Maybe Shitstain & Vaxxboy have stock in iron lung OEMs? hatrack Dec 13 #15
Exactly. "It's good for business".n/t bronxiteforever Dec 13 #20
Kennedy is a dangerous nutcase. Joinfortmill Dec 13 #18
Monstrous. Passages Dec 13 #19
Ok thought this was a joke post. bronxiteforever Dec 13 #21
My uncle survived polio Marthe48 Dec 13 #22
My wife's uncle committed suicide due to the long term effects of polio rurallib Dec 13 #50
Poor man Marthe48 Dec 13 #53
Horrifying for him and the family. Passages Dec 13 #66
Yes it really knocked us on our butts rurallib Dec 13 #91
My uncle survived polio as well peggysue2 Dec 13 #81
DU rules permit posting up to four paragraphs even when there is a "firewall" Jose Garcia Dec 13 #23
Thanks DeeDeeNY Dec 13 #25
She's been a Member since: Fri Jul 21, 2006. ❤️ littlemissmartypants Dec 13 #43
That's the problem. Keep hearing that RFK Jr's not going to be "all that bad," how if he's allegorical oracle Dec 13 #62
This is pure fucking insanity. spanone Dec 13 #24
It sure is. ☠️ littlemissmartypants Dec 13 #44
I started grade school in 1956 and had to friends with polio. spanone Dec 13 #95
Profit making opportunity!!! Happy Hoosier Dec 13 #27
I'm putting my money in leg braces lame54 Dec 13 #94
Fuck this science denying asshole & his putrid orange master. CrispyQ Dec 13 #29
My parents made sure we got the polio vaccine Marthe48 Dec 13 #35
Conclusion: The #1 threat to public health in the United States Buns_of_Fire Dec 13 #30
And the patron that nominated him. This is a threat to our citizenry. bucolic_frolic Dec 13 #67
I can't even say how infuriating this is. yorkster Dec 13 #31
This message was self-deleted by its author dalton99a Dec 13 #34
And I was worried that we won't be able to get the flu vaccine next winter WestMichRad Dec 13 #36
Gives the "Kennedy Curse" a whole new meaning. Solly Mack Dec 13 #37
The pharma companies should push Kennedy out - TBF Dec 13 #39
Here's the way to legally... littlemissmartypants Dec 13 #40
This message was self-deleted by its author littlemissmartypants Dec 13 #41
Thank you! DeeDeeNY Dec 13 #45
My pleasure! ❤️ littlemissmartypants Dec 13 #46
What an unspeakably vile... GiqueCee Dec 13 #42
There's no excuse EndlessWire Dec 13 #47
No paywall link..... reACTIONary Dec 13 #48
How do these bums square it with God? Marthe48 Dec 13 #51
Not sure about the others, but DeeDeeNY Dec 13 #56
I can't speak to where you live but in my State (Texas) ALL of the elected offices are held walkingman Dec 13 #59
Not too many people believe in a deity Keepthesoulalive Dec 13 #86
their "faith" is utter bullshit Skittles Dec 13 #117
Not even in office or confirmed randr Dec 13 #52
Make iron lungs great again! Ray Bruns Dec 13 #54
Mitch McConnell, who had polio as a child, has brought this on us mcar Dec 13 #55
My partner's aunt had polio in the late 1950s. LisaM Dec 13 #58
What a story, thanks for sharing this with us. n/t iluvtennis Dec 13 #64
Like I said, Trumpism is a death cult Blue_Tires Dec 13 #60
You inspired me to write a new cliche 90-percent Dec 13 #107
"B-b-but the economy!" n/t SpankMe Dec 13 #63
Right. First, make sure that million of Americans will get polio. And then...... DFW Dec 13 #65
Republicans Building a bridge to the 19th Century! bif Dec 13 #68
Can we get boosters? WhiteTara Dec 13 #71
that is a good question Skittles Dec 13 #121
Slow genocide. moondust Dec 13 #72
The man is already a mass murderer for what he did in Samoa. patphil Dec 13 #73
No vaccines or health insurance. pandr32 Dec 13 #74
So be it. If this is what our country needs to get its head out Scrivener7 Dec 13 #75
I am thinking terrible thoughts about RFK, Jr. Lulu KC Dec 13 #76
I remember the polio scare in the early 1950s. MineralMan Dec 13 #77
Sorry lonely bird Dec 13 #78
Instead of debating RFK, the FDA should simply require RFK to submit all of his scientific in2herbs Dec 13 #79
I'll bet my left leg this fuckwipe lawyer got his polio shot. The Unmitigated Gall Dec 13 #80
Un-fing-believable. They want to take us back to the 18th Century. Liberal In Texas Dec 13 #82
It's about thinning the population of all but the well to do bucolic_frolic Dec 13 #83
He wants us all to die NameAlreadyTaken Dec 13 #84
The last person to use an iron lung due to polio died this year whopis01 Dec 13 #85
My Gawd 3auld6phart Dec 13 #87
Insanity endless summer Dec 13 #88
I don't know how contagious it is. LeftInTX Dec 13 #92
This Rebl2 Dec 13 #89
Why? DET Dec 13 #90
To thin the population to reduce health care costs and make billionaire tax cuts bucolic_frolic Dec 13 #104
This is an important point DeeDeeNY Dec 13 #110
My late mother never forgot her terror of polio and how she lived in fear... 3catwoman3 Dec 13 #93
Maybe someone will shoot Siri in the back and claim self-defense struggle4progress Dec 13 #96
Make America into a plague pit again. Crunchy Frog Dec 13 #100
Trumpism is a death cult. nt The Unmitigated Gall Dec 13 #102
I guess it's time to get a polio booster. Phoenix61 Dec 13 #103
oh my fucking god. Think. Again. Dec 13 #105
I wonder about his stock holdings nitpicked Dec 13 #108
Wanna piss off a million moms??? LeftInTX Dec 13 #109
We don't know how long immunity from the vaccines lasts alarimer Dec 13 #112
Invest in iron lungs! It'll be ALL THE RAGE in the coming years!! Oopsie Daisy Dec 13 #113
Can you name another country that would even consider that ? Nigrum Cattus Dec 13 #114
Pakistan and Afghanistan LeftInTX Dec 13 #123
I need to hurry up and get my shingles shot helpisontheway Dec 13 #115
Keep thinking this has to be Borowitz or the Onion Picaro Dec 13 #119
Next: Ban rabies vaccines LeftInTX Dec 13 #122
Did this lawyer and his sidekick get asked the one question that should put these people in there place............ turbinetree Dec 13 #120
Two friends Seinan Sensei Dec 14 #124
My mother was terrified of us going to school .......she grew up when FDR got polio from an encounter turbinetree Dec 15 #127
maybe a few years of polio 2.o, people w/ embrace the chance of autism. roll eyes. pansypoo53219 Dec 14 #125
Very misleading headline Shrek Dec 14 #126

Jit423

(431 posts)
111. What the hell is wrong with these people. They can hardly wait to be able to cause the death of someone.
Fri Dec 13, 2024, 05:37 PM
Dec 13

A brain infested, privileged, heroine addict is recommending that the polio vaccine be rescinded. That really says it all about the Trump administration. Why aren't white parents up in arms about this? Most black people are going to take their shots unless they have become MAGA too. There were six cases of polio in our small town outside of Philly back in '49. No one died but they are were crippled for life and had to use those horrendous crutches. Wonder if the idiot will call for rescinding the small pox vax too?

ShazzieB

(18,925 posts)
118. Fortunately, smallpox no longers exists in the "wild."
Fri Dec 13, 2024, 07:25 PM
Dec 13

But if it ever did get loose, I'm sure RFK Jr would be advising people not get vaccinated for it.

Vinca

(51,240 posts)
2. Truly astonishing. Lots of us on this site are old enough to remember when there wasn't a vaccine.
Fri Dec 13, 2024, 08:33 AM
Dec 13

This should disqualify him immediately, but it won't. Republicans who are now putting party and their own elections over country will line up to put him in office.

LiberalArkie

(16,658 posts)
28. Putting party first, not really. I believe it is for the old Kruschev thing of destroy America from within.
Fri Dec 13, 2024, 09:32 AM
Dec 13

They really want their plutocracy really bad.

Norbert

(6,614 posts)
32. I received the Polio vaccine in the 2nd grade
Fri Dec 13, 2024, 09:41 AM
Dec 13

but remember enough to know we don't go back to the horrors of polio.

redstatebluegirl

(12,503 posts)
49. My friend Andy had polio.
Fri Dec 13, 2024, 10:32 AM
Dec 13

He was in an iron lung and died when we were just kids. It was a horrible death.

peregrinus

(409 posts)
3. Continuing Trumps disastrous pandemic policies
Fri Dec 13, 2024, 08:34 AM
Dec 13

Even when COVID is no longer center stage. The pain and cruelty are a feature not a bug.

Irish_Dem

(59,727 posts)
4. Oh my god. The SOB wants a polio epidemic in the US.
Fri Dec 13, 2024, 08:34 AM
Dec 13

My mother was a young RN during the polio epidemic here and I still remember her stories about it.

ProudMNDemocrat

(19,175 posts)
33. I have a few friends who caught Polio in the early 1950's.
Fri Dec 13, 2024, 09:41 AM
Dec 13

I remember the Sugar cube. I also have my Smallpox scar on my left arm.

I am alive today due to the COVID vaccines and Boosters, vaccines for RSV, Shingles(I had Chicken Pox bad when I was 6), Pneumococcal Pneumonia, as well as my annual Flu Shots. I WILL NOT trust what Bobby Jr. has to say, being that he is NOT a medical professional of any kind.

People are STUPID if they believe his LIES.

Irish_Dem

(59,727 posts)
57. People will die if they believe his lies.
Fri Dec 13, 2024, 10:54 AM
Dec 13

I remember my mother’s stories about working on the iron lung ward. Horrific.

She said one time she was talking to young man who had come to the hospital ER, he was not feeling well but standing and talking to her. He suddenly collapsed, dropped dead right at her feet. He had polio.

She said young healthy people seemed the hardest hit.

kskiska

(27,116 posts)
97. I got my two shots & booster before the sugar cube came out.
Fri Dec 13, 2024, 02:31 PM
Dec 13

I remember how unlucky kids disappeared from school and were sent to an upstate (Connecticut) hospital to be cared for.

Response to ProudMNDemocrat (Reply #33)

newdeal2

(1,135 posts)
5. Is Mitch going to vote to confirm?
Fri Dec 13, 2024, 08:36 AM
Dec 13

I’m expecting yes and that will tell me everything I need to know about the next four years.

3auld6phart

(1,306 posts)
38. Can't
Fri Dec 13, 2024, 10:02 AM
Dec 13

Believe t hat 1/4 to 50 percent of Americans are so feckin’ ignorant as to vote for those hated repukes. And a whole lot more are so vfuckin’ lazy and couldn’t get oout of their fart sacks to vote. Pathetic.

LisaM

(28,748 posts)
61. That will be an interesting test.
Fri Dec 13, 2024, 10:59 AM
Dec 13

I'm assuming you mentioned McConnell because he is a polio survivor. I don't know if RFK's nomination will even succeed at all, but McConnell must have some thoughts on this.

newdeal2

(1,135 posts)
101. Yup
Fri Dec 13, 2024, 02:48 PM
Dec 13

If he doesn’t stick up for himself on this, he’s even more cowardly than I thought.

C0RI0LANUS

(1,872 posts)
7. We have a friend in a wheelchair because of polio. She came from overseas and didn't get the shot in time.
Fri Dec 13, 2024, 08:38 AM
Dec 13

What would he say about this idea?

C0RI0LANUS

(1,872 posts)
116. I am old enough to remember the pishkas for March of Dimes and the nuclear "duck and cover" drills in school.
Fri Dec 13, 2024, 06:26 PM
Dec 13
Trumpf and Putin want regular Americans sick, poor, killed by guns, and utterly demoralized.

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dsc

(52,694 posts)
26. I was curious and looked it up
Fri Dec 13, 2024, 09:32 AM
Dec 13

They are virtually obsolete (there is literally one person in the entire US still using one). They got replaced by modern ventilators and tracheotomies.

marble falls

(62,523 posts)
11. Of course he did. These guys are laughable, but they are not joking around. They are on the most ...
Fri Dec 13, 2024, 08:43 AM
Dec 13

... casual of notions screwing around with national health. They will kill people. It would seem likely more of their own.

bucolic_frolic

(47,607 posts)
14. Religious Zealots. Salvation through Suffering. A population in pain is compliant.
Fri Dec 13, 2024, 08:46 AM
Dec 13

Wear your crown of thorns, sheeple!

bronxiteforever

(9,559 posts)
21. Ok thought this was a joke post.
Fri Dec 13, 2024, 09:10 AM
Dec 13

The joke is on me. This Country is so ignorant it’s going to kill itself. Not much else to say.

Marthe48

(19,336 posts)
22. My uncle survived polio
Fri Dec 13, 2024, 09:14 AM
Dec 13

My Dad was 6'6". My uncle was about 5'5", bent and twisted. If he hadn't gotten polio, he would've been as tall as my Dad.

One of my classmates in grade school had polio, had braces on both legs and used crutches to get around.

My husband had a friend who survived polio as a child, He was the luckiest, Walked, I guess I should say lumbered, on his own.

The idea of leading with the best result for the most is gone. Now, it is a pissing contest and losers who gain a leadership role do what they want for their own pleasure. Maybe when the consumer pool turns into the consumption pool, the oligarchs will realize that their income is going to drop like a hot rock.



rurallib

(63,293 posts)
50. My wife's uncle committed suicide due to the long term effects of polio
Fri Dec 13, 2024, 10:35 AM
Dec 13

The pain got too much when he was about 50 and did himself in. He said it was excruciating.

Marthe48

(19,336 posts)
53. Poor man
Fri Dec 13, 2024, 10:43 AM
Dec 13

I sympathize with your family. My uncle probably suffered, too. His upper body was twisted and one shoulder was much higher than the other. We'll see more of that with rwnj shoving social medicine over the cliff.

Passages

(1,430 posts)
66. Horrifying for him and the family.
Fri Dec 13, 2024, 11:05 AM
Dec 13

I'm not sure what percentage of Americans are aware that is a real consequence of polio, that kind of pain.

peggysue2

(11,519 posts)
81. My uncle survived polio as well
Fri Dec 13, 2024, 11:29 AM
Dec 13

He spent 14 months in an iron lung. He was lucky in one respect. He had enough diaphragm control to manage his breathing with a lot of training and persistence. He was 42 years old when he contracted polio. He died in his late 50s. The disease definitely limited and shortened his life.

I was a kid at the time and had the advantage of the vaccine. It was only later I found out that my uncle was, in fact, responsible for ensuring that every kid in our county received their vaccinations. Something of a cruel twist that he ended up infected.

Prohibiting these vaccinations is absolutely insane and will only result in unnecessary death and suffering. What's next? Forbid the use of antibiotics? These people are nuts!

Jose Garcia

(2,921 posts)
23. DU rules permit posting up to four paragraphs even when there is a "firewall"
Fri Dec 13, 2024, 09:15 AM
Dec 13

Kennedy’s Lawyer Has Asked the F.D.A. to Revoke Approval of the Polio Vaccine

The lawyer helping Robert F. Kennedy Jr. pick federal health officials for the incoming Trump administration has petitioned the government to revoke its approval of the polio vaccine, which for decades has protected millions of people from a virus that can cause paralysis or death.

That campaign is just one front in the war that the lawyer, Aaron Siri, is waging against vaccines of all kinds.

Mr. Siri has also filed a petition seeking to pause the distribution of 13 other vaccines; challenged, and in some cases quashed, Covid vaccine mandates around the country; sued federal agencies for the disclosure of records related to vaccine approvals; and subjected prominent vaccine scientists to grueling videotaped depositions.

Much of Mr. Siri’s work — including the polio petition filed in 2022 — has been on behalf of the Informed Consent Action Network, a nonprofit whose founder is a close ally of Mr. Kennedy. Mr. Siri also represented Mr. Kennedy during his presidential campaign.

More: https://www.nytimes.com/2024/12/13/health/aaron-siri-rfk-jr-vaccines.html

allegorical oracle

(3,397 posts)
62. That's the problem. Keep hearing that RFK Jr's not going to be "all that bad," how if he's
Fri Dec 13, 2024, 11:00 AM
Dec 13

approved, he'll moderate at least some of his views. However, these appointees don't open up shop alone. They bring their acolytes, assistants, and influencers with them to enjoy the ride. Many of them relish being suddenly important and find they get even more attention if they're extreme. That can be dangerous.

spanone

(137,662 posts)
95. I started grade school in 1956 and had to friends with polio.
Fri Dec 13, 2024, 01:29 PM
Dec 13

Crippled for life.

This is just absolutely crazy talk.

CrispyQ

(38,590 posts)
29. Fuck this science denying asshole & his putrid orange master.
Fri Dec 13, 2024, 09:34 AM
Dec 13


My grandfather had polio & my grandmother made damned sure the whole family got the vax when it came out.

Marthe48

(19,336 posts)
35. My parents made sure we got the polio vaccine
Fri Dec 13, 2024, 09:48 AM
Dec 13

My grandparents and parents lived in eras that didn't have vaccines, and since they loved us, we got every vaccince that was available.

Buns_of_Fire

(17,947 posts)
30. Conclusion: The #1 threat to public health in the United States
Fri Dec 13, 2024, 09:36 AM
Dec 13

is probably Robert Francis Kennedy, Jr.

bucolic_frolic

(47,607 posts)
67. And the patron that nominated him. This is a threat to our citizenry.
Fri Dec 13, 2024, 11:05 AM
Dec 13

We may as well be under attack.

yorkster

(2,516 posts)
31. I can't even say how infuriating this is.
Fri Dec 13, 2024, 09:38 AM
Dec 13

The words murderous rage come to mind.
I hope there's one hell of a backlash to this insanity.

Response to DeeDeeNY (Original post)

WestMichRad

(1,886 posts)
36. And I was worried that we won't be able to get the flu vaccine next winter
Fri Dec 13, 2024, 09:57 AM
Dec 13

This takes the cake. Yeesh!

TBF

(34,754 posts)
39. The pharma companies should push Kennedy out -
Fri Dec 13, 2024, 10:03 AM
Dec 13

that is my only hope at this point. What a disaster.

Response to littlemissmartypants (Reply #40)

GiqueCee

(1,518 posts)
42. What an unspeakably vile...
Fri Dec 13, 2024, 10:10 AM
Dec 13

... bucket of pig shit Kennedy is. Same goes for that asshole lawyer, and every other anti-vaxxer Satan ever shat out.

People my age all knew friends who suffered, and sometimes died from polio. I got the vaccine in elementary school, and I'm glad I did. I have nothing but burning contempt for the pathological attention seekers that prey on the ill-informed. They are irredeemably rotten people.

EndlessWire

(7,292 posts)
47. There's no excuse
Fri Dec 13, 2024, 10:25 AM
Dec 13

for the pain they want to inflict on people. Absolute insanity. Pure evil people.

I remember standing in lines with my Mama, receiving sugar cube and vaccinations. Thank G-d she cared enough about me to take that time.

There's a place in hell for people who deny other people an easy solution to avoid illness. Why do they always think that they will avoid getting caught in a snare of their own doing? Utterly stupid people.

What's the first thing tRump did? Ran to a hospital for treatment. Wait until they or their kin show up at a hospital only to be told, "There's nothing we can do for you. Go away."

Marthe48

(19,336 posts)
51. How do these bums square it with God?
Fri Dec 13, 2024, 10:39 AM
Dec 13

God doesn't want us to kill, yet, stopping vaccine programs because a worm impaired junkie thinks, but isn't a scientist, that vaccines are bad, he wants to end a solution to having a large portion of the American population who are walking around lame, halt, and dying. Vaccines have been tested time and again and correlations between vaccines and autism, for example, have not been found. But junkie boy wants to stop all vaccination programs, risk the health and lives of generations of Americans, kill forced birth babies in the arms of their reproductive slaves, and on top of that, his ilk want to remove intensive treatment for people with autism. They also want to end DEI, which would make it easier for ailing people to get jobs, and they want to end food
programs to the poor. Maybe they didn't want an untrained uncontrolled militia to start a war. Maybe they just want armed humans to shoot unarmed humans with health problems.


DeeDeeNY

(3,582 posts)
56. Not sure about the others, but
Fri Dec 13, 2024, 10:51 AM
Dec 13

I think we can be fairly certain that Trump doesn't believe in any religion.

walkingman

(8,550 posts)
59. I can't speak to where you live but in my State (Texas) ALL of the elected offices are held
Fri Dec 13, 2024, 10:56 AM
Dec 13

by so-called Christians. No way could you be elected otherwise (this is the Bible Belt). However their actions say otherwise in almost every category. Immigration, healthcare, childcare, environment, foreign policy, elder care...you name the category.

So when you question how they square it with their God - their God is their party in a quest to sustain power. The mantel of being a Christian is simply a way to garner votes to a very uninformed public that maybe for the most part is doing the same thing in their everyday lives.

I still consider religions to be the destroyers of humanity. They are the primary reason we are not better than this.

Keepthesoulalive

(811 posts)
86. Not too many people believe in a deity
Fri Dec 13, 2024, 11:37 AM
Dec 13

If they do he becomes a reflection of who they are and many times he is a hateful ,vengeful and murderous god. Jesus they never knew him.

randr

(12,498 posts)
52. Not even in office or confirmed
Fri Dec 13, 2024, 10:41 AM
Dec 13

These people are the most unAmerican you could find anywhere.

mcar

(43,621 posts)
55. Mitch McConnell, who had polio as a child, has brought this on us
Fri Dec 13, 2024, 10:50 AM
Dec 13

The suffering and death will be on your hands, Turtle man.

LisaM

(28,748 posts)
58. My partner's aunt had polio in the late 1950s.
Fri Dec 13, 2024, 10:55 AM
Dec 13

She lived in Germany at the time. The only iron lungs available were at US Army facilities so her brother, who was an epidemiologist, flew to Germany in a rush and got her into one because she had done some translation work that very loosely qualified her as a government employee. She survived but went from being an athletic and active woman (she had climbed Mt. Rainier) to being wheelchair bound and only able to walk very short distances with crutches.

I recently came across some of her writings and her descriptions of days when she was gasping for air and how just breathing was something that was a daily obsession was heart wrenching. She kept a pretty cheerful outlook, but it gave her a case of arrested development. Everything was defined by the before and after of her illness. It eventually killed her, in her late 70s, when she got what was termed 'polio lung', her lungs just ceased functioning. That may sound oldish, but most of the women in her family lived well into their 90s and in one case to 103.

Blue_Tires

(56,735 posts)
60. Like I said, Trumpism is a death cult
Fri Dec 13, 2024, 10:57 AM
Dec 13

And I'm not going to stand in the way of Trumpers hellbent on killing themselves and their kids because they think they're "owning the libs" or whatever... Far as I'm concerned, less Trumpers is always a good thing... Let them pray away the polio, diphtheria, pertussis, cholera, tuberculosis, etc...

DFW

(56,896 posts)
65. Right. First, make sure that million of Americans will get polio. And then......
Fri Dec 13, 2024, 11:04 AM
Dec 13

Last edited Fri Dec 13, 2024, 12:38 PM - Edit history (1)

And then, make sure many of those afflicted will not be able to afford treatment.

Votre Excellence, le Marquis de Sade, may I present his Highness, Prince Machiavelli?

I have a Republican Administration for which the two of you will enjoy being joint role models!

Skittles

(160,319 posts)
121. that is a good question
Fri Dec 13, 2024, 10:42 PM
Dec 13

the reason we currently DON'T get boosters for polio is because due to the vaccine it was pretty much over......all bets are off with these incoming fascist assholes when (not if) it made a comeback

moondust

(20,516 posts)
72. Slow genocide.
Fri Dec 13, 2024, 11:14 AM
Dec 13

Started with COVID and "injecting bleach," now preventable infectious diseases after "revoking" vaccines, then hunger and lack of health care after gutting Social Security and Medicare, then gutting the VA, then scrapping car-crash reporting, then...

Death Toll Associated With Trump Administration Goes Beyond Covid-19, Says Lancet Report

patphil

(7,116 posts)
73. The man is already a mass murderer for what he did in Samoa.
Fri Dec 13, 2024, 11:21 AM
Dec 13
https://www.protectourcare.org/experts-say-deadly-samoan-measles-outbreak-caused-by-rfk-jr-s-disaster-visit/

A polio epidemic in the US could kill thousands of children each year, and cripple 10's of thousands more.
https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/reported-paralytic-polio-cases-and-deaths-in-the-united-states-since-1910

The rise in Autism is much more likely the result of changes to the definition of Autism than to vaccines. RFK jr's claim is not supported by scientific studies.
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/the-real-reasons-autism-rates-are-up-in-the-u-s/

If RFK jr. is made Secretary of Health and Human Services, he would be in a position to adversely affect FDA policies on vaccines, potentially harming millions of Americans. This could make him the biggest mass murderer in US history.

Scrivener7

(53,202 posts)
75. So be it. If this is what our country needs to get its head out
Fri Dec 13, 2024, 11:23 AM
Dec 13

of its ass, bring the horror and let's get it over with.

MineralMan

(147,990 posts)
77. I remember the polio scare in the early 1950s.
Fri Dec 13, 2024, 11:25 AM
Dec 13

I remember getting my polio shot while I was in grammar school.

Problem is, I'm old and most people are not. They don't remember, because they got the polio vaccine as babies and don't even remember getting it. Nobody gets polio any more. And now, nobody remembers what that was like.

My brother-in-law had polio as a child. Got it before the shot was available. He's the same age I am. He remembers. He came through it OK, but not everyone did.

Now we have this moron who is a relative of JFK. He doesn't remember. He has no freaking idea what that was like for parents of young children in the 1940s and 50s. Then, we had the vaccine, and within a few years, polio was a forgotten thing.

Amazing. The thing is that most of our Senators are too young to remember, too. They got the vaccine, but don't remember that, either. They've never known anyone who had polio. It doesn't exist in their minds. They'll probably ignore this. They're idiots, if they do, but they probably will.

in2herbs

(3,228 posts)
79. Instead of debating RFK, the FDA should simply require RFK to submit all of his scientific
Fri Dec 13, 2024, 11:28 AM
Dec 13

evidence and clinical trials to support his theory. Don't waste time giving this f****r air.

The Unmitigated Gall

(4,620 posts)
80. I'll bet my left leg this fuckwipe lawyer got his polio shot.
Fri Dec 13, 2024, 11:29 AM
Dec 13

My first grandchild is coming soon, and by god, he'd better be able to get vaccinated...

Liberal In Texas

(14,635 posts)
82. Un-fing-believable. They want to take us back to the 18th Century.
Fri Dec 13, 2024, 11:30 AM
Dec 13

I guess that what they mean by taking the country back - backwards.

bucolic_frolic

(47,607 posts)
83. It's about thinning the population of all but the well to do
Fri Dec 13, 2024, 11:30 AM
Dec 13

Car crashes? Stop with all the safety regulation.
Vaccines? Who needs them? Polio will re-establish, and will infect elders vaccinated 60 years ago too. Rabies? No shots for dogs.

This is like 2A. Death everywhere.

NameAlreadyTaken

(1,646 posts)
84. He wants us all to die
Fri Dec 13, 2024, 11:30 AM
Dec 13

Probably never got over the death of his father RFK and now has a death wish of revenge.

whopis01

(3,748 posts)
85. The last person to use an iron lung due to polio died this year
Fri Dec 13, 2024, 11:37 AM
Dec 13

Paul Alexander lived in that machine for over 70 years.
He contracted it in the summer 1952, the same summer when Jonas Salk began testing his polio vaccine on human subjects.

He contracted Covid-19 in February of this year and died in March.

https://apnews.com/article/paul-alexander-iron-lung-dies-1c320147b3df93bfd6e59c3f12c66657

The thought of throwing away all the combined human achievement that went into the development of that vaccine and others is unimaginable.

3auld6phart

(1,306 posts)
87. My Gawd
Fri Dec 13, 2024, 11:38 AM
Dec 13

What the fuck is happening down there. fucking freaks running the Government agencies. The sooner trump and his appointment ed freaks piss off. The better. Is that asshole rfk hell bent on killing more Americans.Die you little pissant freak..

endless summer

(35 posts)
88. Insanity
Fri Dec 13, 2024, 11:41 AM
Dec 13

Polio is highly contagious, do these idiots think that their offspring are going to be magically immune? My children had all of their vaccines, not of them ever contracted diphtheria, pertussis, tetanus, measles or polio, gee I wonder why.

LeftInTX

(30,617 posts)
92. I don't know how contagious it is.
Fri Dec 13, 2024, 12:03 PM
Dec 13

It is a devastating disease. Unlike former "childhood illinesses", it is permanent.

Apparently, it is asymptomatic in 90% of people who aquire it. I believe it is related to West Nile Virus. However, the vector is different. (water, waste borne vs mosquito)

Rebl2

(14,954 posts)
89. This
Fri Dec 13, 2024, 11:50 AM
Dec 13

incoming administration just seems hellbent on killing Americans through denying life saving vaccines, proven medical treatments, and allowing quackery treatments.

DET

(1,731 posts)
90. Why?
Fri Dec 13, 2024, 11:59 AM
Dec 13

Why are they doing this? Kennedy was born around the time that the polio vaccine came out. He may not have had direct experience with polio survivors, but we all heard the stories and understood the horror of the disease. Is this some kind of a bizarre religious thing? A deliberate attempt to kill Americans? Direction from Putin? I just can’t wrap my head around the motivation for doing this.

bucolic_frolic

(47,607 posts)
104. To thin the population to reduce health care costs and make billionaire tax cuts
Fri Dec 13, 2024, 02:59 PM
Dec 13

No one knows how long the vaccination lasts, because it was eradicated. Would an old person today catch it? DPT for example requires booster shots. So obviously does Covid. The faster they reduce the population the more money for Billionaires.

DeeDeeNY

(3,582 posts)
110. This is an important point
Fri Dec 13, 2024, 05:28 PM
Dec 13

Everyone who received the polio vaccine in childhood assumed it would last a lifetime.

3catwoman3

(25,676 posts)
93. My late mother never forgot her terror of polio and how she lived in fear...
Fri Dec 13, 2024, 12:04 PM
Dec 13

...every summer, the peak season for it, that either my brother (1954) or I (1951) would contact this dreaded virus. She was beyond ecstatic when the vaccine was approved and available.

The pediatric practice from which I retired in March 2021 finally firmed up their vaccine policy and will no longer accept patients/families who chose not to immunize. They have worded it politely, saying that parents who do not wish to immunize should look elsewhere for a practice that is consistent with their beliefs.

I wish they had done this during the almost 25 years I was the peds NP there. The moment I'd hear a parents say they did not "believe" in immunizations, I always knew it would be an exercise in futility and a waste of breath to attempt to convince them otherwise.

Phoenix61

(17,725 posts)
103. I guess it's time to get a polio booster.
Fri Dec 13, 2024, 02:57 PM
Dec 13

I was planning to get one anyway due to travel plans.

alarimer

(16,644 posts)
112. We don't know how long immunity from the vaccines lasts
Fri Dec 13, 2024, 05:44 PM
Dec 13

We are ALL in danger if this happens.

Fuck these people. I hope they all fucking die. I don't care how.

Nigrum Cattus

(230 posts)
114. Can you name another country that would even consider that ?
Fri Dec 13, 2024, 05:53 PM
Dec 13

The link above is what the right wing religious extremists really want

helpisontheway

(5,278 posts)
115. I need to hurry up and get my shingles shot
Fri Dec 13, 2024, 05:56 PM
Dec 13

I read that I would probably need my second shot in a couple of months. Wonder if I will have time to complete it before he decides to stop that one too.

Picaro

(1,846 posts)
119. Keep thinking this has to be Borowitz or the Onion
Fri Dec 13, 2024, 08:35 PM
Dec 13

These people are completely nuts.

Let’s get rid of not just vaccines, but antibiotics also.

Let the dying begin.

turbinetree

(25,436 posts)
120. Did this lawyer and his sidekick get asked the one question that should put these people in there place............
Fri Dec 13, 2024, 08:52 PM
Dec 13

Did you get vaccinations to attend school ..................because when I was attending school either here in the states or on foreign soil I had to have my shots .............if I didn't have then then I could not go to school................this lawyer and that jerk had to have gotten shots, they would not have gotten this far if they did not have Polio and measles, small pox vaccinations .and they had to be tested for TB................all the nominees had to have gotten vaccinations..................end of story..............ask them prove that they did not have to have shots to go to a public of private school.............show the public your records for admittance .........JFC.................

Seinan Sensei

(744 posts)
124. Two friends
Sat Dec 14, 2024, 12:16 AM
Dec 14

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One a family friend
The other a roommate
Both were musicians
Both crippled by polio
In a just world, RFK Jr & Aaron Siri would have to stand in front of THEM, would have to sell my two friends on the crackpot notion that we should stop polio vaccines
Fuck Junior, and fuck that Lawyer he rode-in on

turbinetree

(25,436 posts)
127. My mother was terrified of us going to school .......she grew up when FDR got polio from an encounter
Sun Dec 15, 2024, 10:59 AM
Dec 15

he had I believe at a Boy Scout camp in 1921. And then when the sugar cube came out I remember standing in my public school line at air force base in California in 1950''s and taking the vaccine along with the measles shots and other test for TB.

So for these two assholes to say that the polio vaccine should be questioned along with his other neophytes................they really can go pound sand ..................lots of it.
I can still remember a childhood friend at the air force base in Rapid City, South Dakota , "Woody" was his name no one wanted to play with him because his left arm he had gotten polio, no one wanted to play with him and I asked my mother about it and she said play ball with him............we were ......8 or 9 years old, we would play catch, he would catch the ball put the glove to the ground and then throw the ball back...............

Again the question needs to be asked if this person gets to sit in front of desk during his conformation .........Can you show us your vaccination shots you got when you were a kid to get into school............yes or no and if no why not..............what are you hiding ass wipe.

And your friends are still friends .................theses hypocrites of hate and bullshit could or would not be be man enough to stand in front of them (your friends) and tell them anything except lie to their face, they are just like that orange hair traitor getting a free pass as we speak now ...........and the media is failing on putting these assholes in a corner and asking questions instead of bullshit..........

Just for reference.......they should ask these assholes where you not told this fact ........and again did you not get vaccination shots to go to school yes or no ..........see below..........

https://www.who.int/news-room/spotlight/history-of-vaccination/history-of-polio-vaccination

pansypoo53219

(21,789 posts)
125. maybe a few years of polio 2.o, people w/ embrace the chance of autism. roll eyes.
Sat Dec 14, 2024, 12:53 AM
Dec 14

at least kill chicken pox so shingles goes away.

Shrek

(4,177 posts)
126. Very misleading headline
Sat Dec 14, 2024, 07:34 AM
Dec 14

The petition asks for suspension of approval on one specific vaccine but two others commonly in use are not affected.

This is not a request to universally do away with polio vaccines.

https://icandecide.org/wp-content/uploads/2023/05/Petition-IPOL-2022-08-23.pdf

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