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Trump is the greatest threat to the US that has ever existed. (Original Post) milestogo Dec 13 OP
He will delete all govt funds to enrich himself vapor2 Dec 13 #1
Biggest criminal in American History. He makes Whitey Bulger look like a Boy Scout. Botany Dec 13 #2
Do you think most Americans understand this? Mike 03 Dec 13 #3
No they don't. milestogo Dec 13 #4
I think a lot of them do see the impending fascism Skittles Dec 13 #12
Yep Meowmee Dec 13 #5
"America's Gorbachev" Kid Berwyn Dec 13 #6
As we get closer its becoming painfully evident that the USA as a role model of democracy, truth and the American way kimbutgar Dec 13 #7
Sure seems and looks that way Evolve Dammit Dec 13 #17
Well, first the Dan Dec 13 #8
This message was self-deleted by its author dalton99a Dec 13 #9
Remember BeerBarrelPolka Dec 13 #10
While wearing a tan suit! Evolve Dammit Dec 13 #18
The Confederacy? Cirsium Dec 13 #11
That was a different kind of threat. milestogo Dec 13 #13
Thanks Cirsium Dec 13 #23
Yes Dan Dec 13 #14
Yes Cirsium Dec 13 #24
He just may be the greatest threat ever to the modern world not just here n/t Cheezoholic Dec 13 #15
In the final stage of empires, the oligarchs plunder the treasury nuxvomica Dec 13 #16
Putin's Missile lame54 Dec 13 #19
Nobody has had the gumption to point at him and declare him a 'domestic enemy' as per their oath of office. Hotler Dec 13 #20
It's America's billionaire criminal cabal that's the threat. Initech Dec 13 #21
It seems like you and kacekwl Dec 13 #22
The biggest threat ever? intheflow Dec 14 #25

Botany

(72,666 posts)
2. Biggest criminal in American History. He makes Whitey Bulger look like a Boy Scout.
Fri Dec 13, 2024, 05:37 PM
Dec 13

Russian misinformation, Elon Musk’s rat fucking, a republican controlled media, and
generational sexism, racism, and stupidity have their costs.

Mike 03

(17,379 posts)
3. Do you think most Americans understand this?
Fri Dec 13, 2024, 05:46 PM
Dec 13

I ask because I had a long phone conversation with my mother and she doesn't believe that even people in her close circle fully grasp how bad and serious this is (except for this one couple who reside in northern California). Even though I know people who are frightened, who detest Trump and are miserable about what happened, I too don't believe they are really prepared for what is likely to come.

Maybe it is something that people will accept in increments---because it is so very hard to believe this is happening.

milestogo

(18,275 posts)
4. No they don't.
Fri Dec 13, 2024, 06:04 PM
Dec 13

And I'm talking about the people who voted for Harris. They're not paying attention to his appointments or the things he says. I don't know if its worse to brace for it and expect it or to be totally shocked when things start happening.

Kid Berwyn

(18,362 posts)
6. "America's Gorbachev"
Fri Dec 13, 2024, 06:08 PM
Dec 13

... Is what they call Donald J Trump in the Kremlin. The name fits, seeing the Foreign Minister of Russia standing behind then-pee-resident in the Oval Office. To anyone who cares about the United States and our Constitution, the image represents an accomplishment like when the US planted its flag on the moon.



And here's why:



Putin Is Banking On a Trump Win for His New World Order

Donald Trump’s nickname in the Kremlin? The American Gorbachev. Officials believe his chaos will be the downfall of the US.


By Mikhail Zygar
Vanity Fair, June 25, 2024

Idon’t know which moment in American history Donald Trump imagines when he says, “Make America great again.” He has never given a clear answer in any speech or interview. But I know exactly which moment Vladimir Putin imagines in his own vision for Russian greatness. It is February 1945, when Stalin, Roosevelt, and Churchill divided the world in Crimea.

Three months remained before the surrender of Nazi Germany, but it was clear that the Allies were winning. To determine what the world would look like after the defeat of the Third Reich, the US president, British prime minister, and Soviet leader went to the city of Yalta, a resort area in Crimea. Stalin achieved everything he wanted: He convinced his then allies that he should have his own “sphere of influence,” which included all of Eastern Europe—Poland, Hungary, Bulgaria, Romania, the former Czechoslovakia, and the former Yugoslavia. The leaders also devised the United Nations Security Council, on which they secured permanent member seats for their countries.

SNIP...

The fantasies of Kremlin strategists have developed like this: A new Yalta Conference with Putin and Trump might not necessarily take place in Crimea. For greater symbolism, somewhere in the Pacific Ocean, roughly equidistant from Russia and the US, would be more suitable. My sources in Moscow, who wish to remain anonymous for security reasons, suggest that such a summit could look good on Fiji. The Pacific archipelago is conveniently equidistant from Russia and the US.

Putin’s entourage understands that despite his ambitions, he is not like Stalin in 1945, and today’s Russia is no match for the Soviet Union. Therefore, the dreams of the current Kremlin inhabitants suggest that another participant in the new “Big Three” should be China, represented by Xi Jinping. They believe that the real Cold War is beginning between China and the US, so the upcoming “Yalta: Fiji” should formulate the rules of this confrontation. And Putin is ready to be content with the role of the third partner, a kind of modern-day Churchill. Of course, he wants to secure his place on the global board of directors that is the UN Security Council and expects to be allotted his sphere of influence: the countries of the former Soviet Union.

SNIP...

For them, Mikhail Gorbachev is not a democrat or a reformer. For former KGB officers, Gorbachev is a demagogue and a narcissist who desperately wanted to please the audience but had no plan of action; a president whose policies were so chaotic that the empire began to fall apart, with different parts declaring their independence. This is wishful thinking, but Putin’s inner circle would like to believe that Trump could become just such a president.

CONTINUES...

https://media.vanityfair.com/photos/6671dc515e0117f807af4351/master/w_1920,c_limit/VF102024_NewYalta_MarkHarris.jpg



America's main adversary, Russia, helped Trump win in 2016, 2020 and, going just from the bots and billionaires on X, in 2024. Their aim is to destroy the United States of America. And to think We the People are turning over the reigns of power to Putin's tool without even raising a question about its morality, legality and logic that the thought of January 20, 2025 makes me sick.

kimbutgar

(23,613 posts)
7. As we get closer its becoming painfully evident that the USA as a role model of democracy, truth and the American way
Fri Dec 13, 2024, 06:29 PM
Dec 13

Will be gone on January 20th 2025.

Dan

(4,158 posts)
8. Well, first the
Fri Dec 13, 2024, 06:52 PM
Dec 13

Oligarchs will bleed the American Treasury for as much as they can safely, legally acquire.

Second - as people have mentioned, there will be a fire storm on American Departments as they’re declared unnecessary and the the Oligarchs will acquire the rights to perform that function.

Third - the family farms will disappear absorbed by the big agri-corporations.

Fourth - they will eliminate programs that help Americans (middle class and poor) and replace them with saving-accounts that they will have to pay into.

Fifth - they will remove protections against predatory financing etc., consumer protections so that we have to fend for ourselves.

Sixth - I don’t think that they can eliminate Social Security and Medicare for existing people on these programs, but will phase out benefits for those not currently on these programs. I believe that they will also change the program where people will get 50% in defined benefits and 50% in contributory benefits.

Seventh - They will eliminate protections for Labor rights, Unions.

Eighth - they will take away the guns!!!

Ninth - MAGA will love it, cause they are screwing over POC and Women, not recognizing that they will suffer more.

Possibly for us - they’ll give us a steady diet of conflicts, propaganda and misinformation to further confuse us into who our real adversaries are and who are our friends (Pro-Putin stuff).

And then, they will start to do the crazy stuff. Trump won’t be in the mix at some point, cause of health (or impeachment) but his VP will make this all sound good.

Neighbors will turn against neighbors, friends against friends, Christians against non-Christian’s, Educated/Elites against the stupids. Gotta remember that there are more stupids than smart.

Think I’m going to go take a nap.

Oh, I forgot - at some point our money has diminishing value, maybe the beginning of Argentina inflation - and a push for moving the American funds into some type of Trump-BitCoin.

Party over….

Response to milestogo (Original post)

milestogo

(18,275 posts)
13. That was a different kind of threat.
Fri Dec 13, 2024, 07:28 PM
Dec 13

It was about something more than one man's ginormous ego/personality disorder.

Dan

(4,158 posts)
14. Yes
Fri Dec 13, 2024, 07:29 PM
Dec 13

Because Domestically he could re-ignite the Civil War to some degree, as some might say that he already has.

But International Politics could kill us all. I noticed the Europe is preparing for his second term - and it appears that they are not going to kiss his ass as they did the first term.

Mexico and Canada - are not going to kiss his ass.

He may try to align the US with Russia - but that dog really won’t hunt.

So, all he can do is give the nation to the Oligarchs. Musk and a few others wants the US to be like South Africa in their hey-day of Apartheid. All Trump wants is to stay out of jail, have people kiss his add and say nice things about him, and if he is lucky he will get to screw Ivanka.

Cirsium

(1,158 posts)
24. Yes
Fri Dec 13, 2024, 11:50 PM
Dec 13

That is a good point, although the Confederacy did try to align with Great Britain.

nuxvomica

(13,017 posts)
16. In the final stage of empires, the oligarchs plunder the treasury
Fri Dec 13, 2024, 07:45 PM
Dec 13

That's what I see happening. I forget who delineated these stages after studying empires of the past, but IIRC the final stage is decadence, of which one of the early, somewhat anodyne hallmarks is the promotion of chefs to celebrity status. We need to watch out for that.

Hotler

(12,390 posts)
20. Nobody has had the gumption to point at him and declare him a 'domestic enemy' as per their oath of office.
Fri Dec 13, 2024, 09:26 PM
Dec 13

Initech

(102,512 posts)
21. It's America's billionaire criminal cabal that's the threat.
Fri Dec 13, 2024, 09:28 PM
Dec 13

And they will remain the threat long after Trump and his goons are gone.

kacekwl

(7,650 posts)
22. It seems like you and
Fri Dec 13, 2024, 10:44 PM
Dec 13

I are the only ones who know this. Too many people jumping on the trump train.

intheflow

(29,055 posts)
25. The biggest threat ever?
Sat Dec 14, 2024, 02:50 PM
Dec 14

How about he's tied with slavery, robber barons, and health insurers?

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