NBC: Former Israeli space security chief says extraterrestrials exist, and Trump knows about it

[TheProle]

A former Israeli space security chief has sent eyebrows shooting heavenward by saying that earthlings have been in contact with extraterrestrials from a "galactic federation."

"The Unidentified Flying Objects have asked not to publish that they are here, humanity is not ready yet," Haim Eshed, former head of Israel's Defense Ministry's space directorate, told Israel's Yediot Aharonot newspaper. The interview in Hebrew ran on Friday, and gained traction after parts were published in English by the Jerusalem Post on Tuesday.

A respected professor and retired general, Eshed said the aliens were equally curious about humanity and were seeking to understand "the fabric of the universe."

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna1250333

[Turbineguy]

1. Extraterrestrials

Wouldn't talk to trump.

[Irish_Dem]

2. Maybe he is one of them, exiled to earth for crimes committed in another galaxy.

[a kennedy]

3. 🤬 🤬 🤬 he IS one of them.......he has this power to change EVERYONE who's ever said

against him, to change their tune, and kiss his fat flabby ass.

[Irish_Dem]

4. Yep, Trump and Putin do have a magic evil genius quality that is other worldly.

Everyone is terrified of them or loves them.

Everyone bows down immediately and does their bidding.

Maybe alien technology or mass hypnosis.

Personally I think they just might be part Ferengi.

[BeerBarrelPolka]

7. Except

Except Trump wouldn't come in a flying saucer. He'd come in a flying blimp.

[Irish_Dem]

9. Or an extra large transporter.

Scottie would be earning his keep moving Trump around.

How you doing BBP?

[BeerBarrelPolka]

14. Bad news yesterday

at the neuro-opthamologist. But I did get to see the Christmas lights in downtown Chicago.

[Irish_Dem]

17. Oh no.

I am so sorry to hear this.
You were afraid you might get bad news.
Is this the second opinion, or are there more options left?

I am glad you got to see the Xmas lights.

[BeerBarrelPolka]

20. She's

She's going to consult with my seizure neurologist (Cleveland Clinic trained) and the oto-neurologist I saw last week (Johns Hopkins trained). So far, none of them can get to an answer. This is all at Northwestern Hospital in Chicago.

[Irish_Dem]

22. It sounds like you are in good hands.

It is frustrating when the top docs cannot ascertain diagnosis and treatment.
They have made so much progress in the field of neuroscience and neurology in the past couple of decades.

I hope they find some answers for you.
Sending you some good energy.

[BeerBarrelPolka]

23. I

I really appreciate your sentiments. They mean a lot to me.

[Irish_Dem]

27. It sounds like you are doing all you can do.

So it is a matter of hanging in there until the docs figure it out.

[BeerBarrelPolka]

30. Well

I had the aFib and stroke last Nov/Dec. It's tough for me because I have no family at all and no one to help. Blue Cross can't even find a caregiver (I went through that with my mom). Since I cant drive, I'm stuck at home/DU

I'll try the best I can, but I'm losing the fight and I know it.

[Irish_Dem]

31. ...

I think my cousins pay out of pocket for their mom's care.
They have said insurance does not pay for caregiver help.
Kamala was going to work on that issue.

Is Uber appropriate for your condition?
I don't know how mobile you are.

Cognitively you still seem to be doing well.
But yes being homebound is frustrating and depressing.

Have you explored online support groups for your condition?
Sometimes they have a great deal of information and ideas.
And resources.

[BeerBarrelPolka]

33. I

I can't use an Uber because I need help getting down my steps and I use a wheelchair. I have no energy so I couldn't go out anyway.

I'll be fine as long as I can stay where I live. I just try to think happy thoughts.

[Irish_Dem]

34. ...

I once faced a series of dire circumstances.
Bad news kept coming on a number of different levels.
Including medical.
It hit me from all sides.

I followed advice I had heard over the years.

So some ideas to thinking about:

It may sound corny and simplistic:

One day at a time. Sometimes one hour at a time.
Distraction with internet and social contacts.
Hobbies, games, projects.
Stay in the moment, not the past or the future.

Gratitude for what I did have and what I was able to do.
Roof over my head, food on the table, etc.

Service, help others with just a simple word or kindness.

Prayer, but this can be meditation, music, looking at the snow falling outside your window, breathing.

[BeerBarrelPolka]

35. That

That is so terrific. I appreciate you writing that.

I'm crashing out now so I will check in here tomorrow. Thank you again and have a great night.

[Irish_Dem]

37. ...

YW
Have a good night.

[vanessa_ca]

43. I am so sorry! I'll be sending good thoughts your way

[BeerBarrelPolka]

50. Thank You

Thank you so very much Vanessa!

[Dulcinea]

36. That was my first thought.

The McFelon & his boifriend Eloon are extraterrestrials.

[Irish_Dem]

38. They never look quite human to me. They can't even get their human makeup right.

Musk has had extensive plastic surgery and he still looks odd.

Let's hope someone is going to beam them the hell up and move them on
to the next prison planet.

[keep_left]

24. Apropos, they made a (comedy) "X-Files" episode about that.

The extraterrestrials didn't want to talk to us. (This is from Season 11, one of the two "revival" seasons made more than a decade after the original show ended).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Lost_Art_of_Forehead_Sweat

?si=tL24V6Inh1A8p20A

[Turbineguy]

60. That goes to

"There is intelligent life out there, the proof is they haven't contacted us."

[Disaffected]

5. A respected professor??

What on earth for - he sounds nuts.

[vanessa_ca]

10. Father & Director of space programs for Israel Ministry of Defense for 30 years & Professor of aeronautical engineering

Father and Director of space programs for Israel Ministry of Defense for 30 years
Professor of Aeronautical Engineering and Astronautics
Chair of the Space Committee of the National Council for Research and Development for the Ministry of Science, Technology and Space
Member of the steering committee of Israel Space Agency
Veteran Pilot and Flight Instructor
Member of the American Institute of Aeronautics and Astronautics
Cofounder of the Israel Space Agency and Space Research Institute in the TECHNION-Israel Institute of Technology
former Colonel, Military Intelligence Directorate


Sounds respected to me I'd agree with you otherwise because some things do sound a bit far fetched.

[DavidDvorkin]

21. He's now 91

He might well have been accomplished and respected in the past, but perhaps he's no longer the man he was.

[Disaffected]

26. It's not a terribly uncommon phenomenon.

Linus Pauling as another example (vitamin C cures the common cold and cancer).

[H2O Man]

39. I think he was

a mere 87 when this came out. (I've had relatives in their mid-90s who were highly intelligent.)

[vanessa_ca]

42. Could be. I have no dog in this fight, but all indications to the contrary

For the record, I find the assertion of a "secret underground base on Mars" a bit extraordinary.

According to Isaac Ben-Israel, chairman of the Israel Space Agency, Eshed went too far with his claims, which were published in a interview with the Israeli daily Yedioth Ahronoth, but his seriousness shouldn’t be questioned and his standing as a leader in his field remains intact.
-snip-
Ben-Israel said it has become entirely acceptable over the last decade for serious scientists to believe in aliens, as knowledge of space has increased. ““Is there intelligent life outside [Earth]? 10 years ago most scientists believed chances are very low. We now believe chances are significant,” he said.

“This doesn’t mean there’s a ‘Galactic Federation’ and they landed on earth — this is too much — but much of the scientific community believes the chance of detecting life in outer space is considerable, not small,” he said.

Asked for his own view, Ben-Israel said: “I also think the probability is quite large. Still, in my interpretation, I don’t believe there were any physical encounters between us and aliens.”
-snip-
While jokes have been made questioning the state of octogenarian Eshed’s mind, Ben-Israel said he has been talking about aliens for decades, and it never compromised his academic integrity. “I’ve known Haim Eshed for 40 to 50 years, and he was always a visionary and very creative.
-snip-
https://www.timesofisrael.com/israeli-space-chief-says-aliens-may-well-exist-but-they-havent-met-humans/

Again, I have no vested interest in this, just curiosity and a willingness to accept that we may not be the sole inhabitants of our vast and complex universe.

Here's from another article:

Speaking in an interview to Yediot Aharonot, Eshed – who served as the head of Israel's space program for nearly 30 years and is a three-time recipient of the Israel Security Award – explained that Israel and the US have both been dealing with aliens for years.
-snip-
The 87-year-old former head of the Defense Ministry's Space Division gave further descriptions about exactly what sort of agreements have been made between the aliens and the US, which ostensibly have been made because they wish to research and understand "the fabric of the universe." This cooperation includes a secret underground base on Mars, where there are American and alien representatives.
If true, this would coincide with US President Donald Trump's creation of the Space Force as the fifth branch of the US armed forces, though it is unclear how long this sort of relationship, if any, has been going on between the US and its reported extraterrestrial allies.
-snip-
"If I had come up with what I’m saying today five years ago, I would have been hospitalized," he explained to Yediot.
He added that "today, they’re already talking differently. I have nothing to lose. I’ve received my degrees and awards; I am respected in universities abroad, where the trend is also changing."
-snip-
https://www.jpost.com/omg/former-israeli-space-security-chief-says-aliens-exist-humanity-not-ready-651405

I added the last article because of what happened a few years later:

A father-daughter duo from the US decoded an 'alien-like' message transmitted through a signal by the ExoMars Trace Gas Orbiter, a spacecraft of the European Space Agency orbiting Mars, in May last year.
-snip-

As the European Space Agency spacecraft beamed a signal in May 2023, it was picked up by three observatories on the Earth, and the raw data was released online, giving scientists worldwide a chance to decipher the transmission, CNN reported.

-snip-

While speaking with CNN, the two citizen scientists said they experimented with various ideas for thousands of hours and ran mathematical simulations on computers to decode the message.

The decoded message appears to be clusters of white pixels with a black background. The visualised message has five configurations representing amino acids, the building blocks of life.

-snip-

https://www.ndtv.com/feature/how-a-father-daughter-duo-decoded-alien-message-from-mars-6998949

-snip-
Their breakthrough revealed that the signal represented five amino acids—the fundamental building blocks of life.

The pair discovered that the message contained movement patterns suggesting cellular formation and life forms.

-snip-
https://www.newsweek.com/alien-signal-deciphered-us-father-daughter-team-1979616

[Disaffected]

25. OK, I guess that is more than enough to earn the appelation. nt

Too bad he risks blowing it though with the galactic federation nonsense.

[muriel_volestrangler]

49. Nothing says "I'm an idiot" like "superior beings think most humans aren't worthy, but I am - but I'll tell you anyway"

The professor is in fact behaving like Trump does. I have zero respect for this professor, who is claiming to be one of the best people in the world, but has a psychological need to inform everyone about it. Total narcissist.

[SunSeeker]

6. NASA calls bullshit.

A spokesperson for NASA said one of the agency's key goals was the search for life in the universe but that it had yet to find signs of extraterrestrial life.

[TheBlackAdder]

41. Extra-Torah-tials ... In other words, Christians who call it The Old Testament

[lindysalsagal]

8. I hope they take over. We'd be better off.

[vanessa_ca]

11. Haha. That was my first thought. Then I remembered Stephen Hawking's warning

"One day, we might receive a signal from a planet like Gliese 832c. But we should be wary of answering back. Meeting an advanced civilization could be like Native Americans encountering Columbus. That didn't turn out so well."

[Rafi]

12. At this point anyone who doesn't accept that their is a non-human intelligence interacting with our planet

is just not honestly looking at the evidence from whistleblowers that have testified in public under oath as well as in private to congress that we have craft and bodies recovered since 1940s. I only hope that their repeated demonstrations
of capabilities to disarm our, and the Russians, nuclear weapons over the years is a sign they will not let us destroy the earth.

[thebigidea]

19. The "evidence" isn't compelling and the "whistleblowers" are all crackpots and grifters

It'd be fun if it were true.

"I only hope that their repeated demonstrations of capabilities to disarm our, and the Russians, nuclear weapons over the years is a sign they will not let us destroy the earth."

Sounds about as likely as God sending angels down to do the same. I can see how people would yearn for either to be true. Unfortunately it's down to us. Fallible, silly humans.

[H2O Man]

40. I respectfully disagree.

Some of them may be as you describe, but not all of them are. Yet that "proves" nothing, because it could be a program to distract people from serious earthly issues. There are people prone to believing some force from way up in the sky are going to save us. No others will save us, of course, for that is our exclusive duty. But humanity will soon go extinct, just as other humans such as Neanderthal did. Our type will not survive nearly as long as, say, Homo Erectus did.

[Rafi]

44. Yep Christopher Melon former ASST. Director of Intel for the Pentagon, David Grush Full Bird Colonel

in the office of National Geospace Intelligence Agency, Robert Salas US Air Force Lieutenant 20 meters underground at Malstrom AFB responsible for launching ICBMs , and we know they only put crackpots in the positions, Lou Elizondo counter intelligence officer in the US Defense Dept Intelligence office RET. Colonel Karl Nell with 30-years of organizational and technology leadership in top-tier / FORTUNE 500 firms including Bell Telephone Laboratories, Lockheed Martin Missiles & Space, TASC, CACI, and ENSCO, Karl Nell is a seasoned executive, respected thought-leader, dedicated change-agent, and accomplished multi-disciplinary engineer comfortable across multiple business models from aerospace high-end development to integrated solutions to advisory, COL> Phillip Corso Corso was on the staff of President Eisenhower's National Security Council for four years (1953–1957). In 1961, he became Chief of the Pentagon's Foreign Technology desk in Army Research and Development, working under Lt. Gen. Arthur Trudeau.

All of the above have testified, some under oath of the fact that we have recovered non-human craft and biologics, that nuclear missile sites have been compromized and we have know about their presence sine at least the 1930s.

I could list dozens more grifters and crackpots, but why bother. It tough to read anything with your head, well you know.

[Kaleva]

56. None hav been able to provide evidence that corroborates their testimony

As for crackpots being in high positions, one can point out Gen. Flynn, former director of the NSA.

[Kaleva]

58. Making false statement to Congress is a crime even when not under oath

The penalty is the same for when making false statements to Congress under oath

But as we have seen, it's rarely prosecuted.

And as one can't prove a negative, how can it be proved beyond a reasonable doubt that these people were knowingly lying?

I could testify to Congress either under oath or not that I have a personal relationship with God and that I talk to him everyday and I couldn't be charged with a crime because Congress nor anyone else could prove that God doesn't exist and therefore I was lying .

So these witnesses were probably well aware that they could make up shit and easily get away with it

[Midwestern Democrat]

48. As of right now, I don't believe in UFOs or alien life either. For one thing, why aren't there far more photos

and videos of them in a world where practically everyone has a camera/video recorder on their phone? There's no more photos or videos of them today than there were in decades past when somebody just happened to have a still camera or an 8mm film camera on them.

[UTUSN]

13. Whatever Drumpf "knows" is either sold or gone in the black hole that he is.

[thebigidea]

15. As if he could keep a secret.

[TexasBushwhacker]

16. Obama said he asked about it

He didn't say what they told him.

[BeerBarrelPolka]

18. I

I remember as a young kid reading about Nixon and Jackie Gleason discussing aliens. The story was pretty wild with Jackie allegedly seeing bodies.

[Dan]

28. Imagine - Donald J. Trump speaking for all humanity!

We’d truly be f—-ed.

[GreenWave]

29. When they come to teleport all Trump supporters/voters/ wannabees to a distant cosmos

then we will know.

[hatrack]

32. OFFS . . .

No, the beneficent aliens are not going to save us from Trump/Putin/Milei/Orban/Modi.

JFC.

[Rafi]

45. I didn't say they were benevolent. They have their own motives for not seeing the earth being destroyed.

Could be altruistic or selfish.

[jfz9580m]

52. Nailed it...

I get the feeling of hopelessness driving this but yeah..
No need to worry about destroying the planet hatrack. Et will help out..


We need more fake fears and hopes so we can ignore the real kind..

Hope you are still finding the dark Humor to pull through. Thank you for your indefatigable service as an environmentalist as always.. .

Edit: I haven’t been following the news but seriously this is the new thing after Mangione?


Well there is clearly only one answer:

[hatrack]

53. Actually, the official post-Mangione story is Drones Over New Jersey - OMG!!!!! RUNNNNN!!!!

But this is also From-The-Heavens-themed, so there's kind of built-in affinity.

[applegrove]

47. Probably trying to encourage conspiracy theorizing in Trump's

base and people in the world in general so Putin can take over the world.

[jfz9580m]

51. Lol

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World not surreal enough with real stuff ?

I mean three-body problem was a good show and all..
Giant reality show to distract!!!!

Edit: Also this is from 2020..I can’t believe this guy is actually a credentialed academic:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haim_Eshed
How can he go around saying stuff like this?


Isn’t our fucking awful conspiracy and misinfo filled public dialogue lousy enough? It is one thing to tentatively speculate on such things. It is another to..what gives with these guys?
Like are they self psyoping at this point?

I really wonder about some of these guys. For example supposed ai experts who sound batshit loony - as if they are mixing up shitty Hollywood movies and science.

Surely you have some responsibility when you talk about fields like ai or astrobiology etc to not seem like someone who is pitching a bad movie.

I have wondered for years (sometimes in silent indignation) and now I am starting to wonder if instead of psyoping the public with drivel they actually buy their own bs..

That is one reason I follow Yan LeCun of meta on ai sometimes. At least he seems entirely sane. He is one well-known ai scientist I have seen discuss ai such that it actually sounds like a cool science to the lay person rather than like a depressing pitch for a (low quality) tv show.

It is bad enough that ai hallucinates. It is worse when the people working on it also appear to.

[BoRaGard]

54. Something is happening here...

?feature=shared

[BeerBarrelPolka]

55. It's

It's strange that he would single out "Trump knows". If Trump knows, Biden knows. Seems to me it's more of a political "support Trump" statement.

[PJMcK]

57. This is nonsense

An extraordinary claim requires extraordinary evidence.

Show it or shut up.

A cursory study of physics will deflate this silliness.

[Kaleva]

59. I agree