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HereForTheParty

(387 posts)
Wed Dec 25, 2024, 09:59 AM Dec 25

Connolly: Generational change is "nonsense"; Dems want someone "qualified" who has "proved their mettle"

Rep. Gerry Connolly on MSNBC:

"I think there’s been a lot of nonsense, frankly, on the generational change. What the Democratic caucus did was try to put their best generals on the battleground—who’s qualified, who has proved their mettle, who’s got the skill set. And it had nothing to do with how old people were; it had to do with capability and functionality."

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Connolly: Generational change is "nonsense"; Dems want someone "qualified" who has "proved their mettle" (Original Post) HereForTheParty Dec 25 OP
How'd that work out for you? lame54 Dec 25 #1
He won the position he was after. jimfields33 Dec 25 #29
Well we're all good then! Hassin Bin Sober Dec 25 #30
Hopefully he does a great job. jimfields33 Dec 25 #31
Ok, I guess displacedvermoter Dec 25 #2
Yeah, but if voters don't vote that way you lose the battle and maybe the war. Bidens, Pelosis advise,... dutch777 Dec 25 #3
Read the room, dude. yardwork Dec 25 #4
We're tired of the same old, same old Ritabert Dec 25 #5
The mettle sure is working well for the poor malaise Dec 25 #6
Reaching across the aisle to far and too often.... CoopersDad Dec 25 #8
"Proved" on what evidence? no_hypocrisy Dec 25 #7
Neither Connolly nor Pelosi will be in congress after 2028 Fiendish Thingy Dec 25 #9
Jfc, what a slam on AOC 🤬 Arazi Dec 25 #10
Same old, same old. Apply after you get more experience, but GPV Dec 26 #40
What's crazy is Obama had 2 years in the Senate Arazi Dec 26 #45
Adaptability is also necessary. Ocelot II Dec 25 #11
Agree. Experience is valuable and I would not wnylib Dec 25 #25
Yes!!! Alliepoo Dec 25 #32
That generational change worked for the men in the room WhiteTara Dec 25 #12
correct Skittles Dec 25 #28
It makes me want to scream WhiteTara Dec 26 #44
it is especially difficult when men of color SIDE with them because of misogyny Skittles Dec 26 #46
Yeah, amazing we didn't win when you think of all those hot Connolly rallies BeyondGeography Dec 25 #13
This proves his point because Harris had excitement and huge turnout at rallies and lost. JI7 Dec 25 #14
Not really a great comparison given COVID in 2020 limited Biden's rallies EdmondDantes_ Dec 25 #18
He didn't get much turnout even before then JI7 Dec 25 #19
People were being kept in refrigeration trucks converted to morgues Trenzalore Dec 25 #23
What exactly are Democrats supposed to change. J_William_Ryan Dec 25 #15
The exact opposite, of course Cirsium Dec 25 #17
Absolutely nothing. Crunchy Frog Dec 26 #38
People who think Democrats need to change don't know the Democratic Party. betsuni Dec 26 #39
I'm 61. Connolly is plain wrong about that. harumph Dec 25 #16
He's being tone deaf JustAnotherGen Dec 25 #20
We've seen a lot of that so called "qualified" politician who has "proved their mettle". Autumn Dec 25 #21
Gerry Connolly turns 75 in around 3 months Celerity Dec 25 #24
That's even worse. I have no respect left. Autumn Dec 26 #41
And how the heck are younger people Alliepoo Dec 25 #33
Barack Obama, JFK, Bill Clinton Trenzalore Dec 25 #22
This IS why we lose and will CONTINUE TO LOSE. onecaliberal Dec 25 #26
Post removed Post removed Dec 25 #27
The guy has throat cancer. Cuthbert Allgood Dec 25 #34
If they had the required mettle Crunchy Frog Dec 26 #35
It's not working Connolly ThePartyThatListens Dec 26 #36
Absolutely! We couldn't have arrived at our current Oligarchy without the qualified Centrists at the helm of our Party. jalan48 Dec 26 #37
It's really hard for Silent Gen and Boomers to give up power roles Maeve Dec 26 #42
I'm suspicious of "generational change" for its own sake, but.... Happy Hoosier Dec 26 #43

displacedvermoter

(3,369 posts)
2. Ok, I guess
Wed Dec 25, 2024, 10:06 AM
Dec 25

Dismiss serious discussion of a change in strategy and direction, and by implication another member of your caucus, as nonsensical.

We just ran a presidential campaign on generational change, and I guess we weren't sincere about it, which might help explain why it failed.

dutch777

(3,701 posts)
3. Yeah, but if voters don't vote that way you lose the battle and maybe the war. Bidens, Pelosis advise,...
Wed Dec 25, 2024, 10:06 AM
Dec 25

...maybe others run. We don't need to kick people out, but know when someone needs to become a senior advisor while others publicly carry the mantle. I hate to say its a beauty contest, but we have to recognize when it is. WE HAVE TO GET ELECTED!!!

Ritabert

(810 posts)
5. We're tired of the same old, same old
Wed Dec 25, 2024, 10:12 AM
Dec 25

Old Democrats are too set in their ways to acknowledge we're in a fight for our lives.

CoopersDad

(2,980 posts)
8. Reaching across the aisle to far and too often....
Wed Dec 25, 2024, 10:27 AM
Dec 25

...Ya end up sitting across the aisle.

We need our electeds to stop acting like it's ok to capitulate.

Fiendish Thingy

(19,006 posts)
9. Neither Connolly nor Pelosi will be in congress after 2028
Wed Dec 25, 2024, 10:36 AM
Dec 25

A change is gonna come, and the gerontocracy can only delay it- it cannot be stopped.

GPV

(73,093 posts)
40. Same old, same old. Apply after you get more experience, but
Thu Dec 26, 2024, 08:03 AM
Dec 26

no telling when you've gotten enough. I think AOC has more than proven her mettle.

Arazi

(7,169 posts)
45. What's crazy is Obama had 2 years in the Senate
Thu Dec 26, 2024, 10:50 AM
Dec 26

2 years!!

And ran for president, and won.

We’re shooting ourselves in the foot restricting our young bright stars.

I’ll say it straight out, Bernie was/is too old but his ideas are 🔥
He inspired AOC to run in the first place. More of this please instead of “same old same old”

Ocelot II

(121,850 posts)
11. Adaptability is also necessary.
Wed Dec 25, 2024, 10:49 AM
Dec 25

While I agree that chronological age shouldn't be disqualifying just because some people think there's too much of it, and that experience is unquestionably important, it's also essential that our representatives be able to adapt to changing conditions, and flexible enough to reconsider the way they've always been doing things. It's not enough to say "We've always done it that way!" and then keep doing it that way, not noticing that the ground has shifted under their feet. They have to notice the changes, both political technological, and and adapt to them. It seems to me that some of the more senior members of the party are doing their work and managing their campaigns just as they've done since the '70s, but everything is different now. If you're 75 years old and you can get with the drastic evolution (devolution?) of political thought and strategy, great; but if you think you're still in Lyndon Johnson's Congress you'd better think again, or retire.

I'm old. I don't want to see anyone turfed out on account of the date on their driver's license, but some of these folks need to park their stick-shift cars, shitcan their Blackberries and their VCRs, and get with the program.

wnylib

(25,038 posts)
25. Agree. Experience is valuable and I would not
Wed Dec 25, 2024, 08:32 PM
Dec 25

discount it. In fact, I would not discount someone for being either too old or too young. Ability matters, regardless of age.

I just watched an interview of Jamie Raskin with Brian Tyler Cohen. Raskin talked about being made ranking member of the Judiciary Committee even though there were members of Congress with more seniority. He said that's where he wants to be in the upcoming Congress because that's where the significant work will be needed in countering the MAGA attacks on democracy.

Raskin only has 8 years in the House from 4 terms. But he is capable in knowledge, strategy, and speaking. That's where his abilities are needed so that's where he's going.

I would not favor moving people upward in poditions, ahead of others, just because they are younger and can appeal to younger voters. They have to have abilities that we need and enough experience to know the system and how to get things done. When someone has that, they should not be held back by seniority traditions.

Likewise, when an experienced, older person is doing well and has what we need, they should not be put aside just because of age or just to let a younger person move up.

Merit, based on ability, regardless of age, is what matters.




WhiteTara

(30,262 posts)
12. That generational change worked for the men in the room
Wed Dec 25, 2024, 10:58 AM
Dec 25

It's just women who reach are slapped down with condescending insinuation that they are not qualified, proven or have the right skill set. Thanks, old man, you proved again that the patriarchy is alive and kicking women in the teeth while stepping on our necks to keep us down.

Skittles

(160,705 posts)
28. correct
Wed Dec 25, 2024, 08:58 PM
Dec 25

I detest mansplaining in general, but from the old white male establishment it is especially infuriating.

WhiteTara

(30,262 posts)
44. It makes me want to scream
Thu Dec 26, 2024, 10:46 AM
Dec 26

Power doesn't relinquish power voluntarily, it must be wrested from them. How? I am damned if I know how.

JI7

(91,030 posts)
14. This proves his point because Harris had excitement and huge turnout at rallies and lost.
Wed Dec 25, 2024, 11:24 AM
Dec 25

But Biden didn't have much excitement and no rallies but won.I'm not saying this applies to this situation but just that it's not a good point to make.

Trenzalore

(2,575 posts)
23. People were being kept in refrigeration trucks converted to morgues
Wed Dec 25, 2024, 07:18 PM
Dec 25

I don't think Biden would have faired as well absent the Covid crisis.

J_William_Ryan

(2,311 posts)
15. What exactly are Democrats supposed to change.
Wed Dec 25, 2024, 12:11 PM
Dec 25

What should be the new direction.

Abandon support for gay and transgender Americans.

Abandon opposition to Republican efforts to disenfranchise voters of color.

Abandon opposition to reckless, irresponsible tax cuts and deregulation.

Abandon efforts to mitigate human-caused climate change.

Abandon defending citizens’ right to reproductive autonomy.

Is the new way for Democrats to stop doing the right thing and pander to the fear, ignorance, and stupidity of voters to gain their support.

Cirsium

(1,246 posts)
17. The exact opposite, of course
Wed Dec 25, 2024, 12:19 PM
Dec 25

People calling for a new direction are saying that we need to stop compromising with the right wing, not compromise more.

betsuni

(27,350 posts)
39. People who think Democrats need to change don't know the Democratic Party.
Thu Dec 26, 2024, 12:41 AM
Dec 26

Belief in myth-disinformation can be very strong, vague and passive-aggressive. Someone always drags out the 40 years Democrats-ruined-America fairy tale. I keep hearing Harris being bashed because she said she wouldn't change anything about the Biden agenda or whatever, as if Biden had been terrible. She said it on TV OMG. So fucking what?

Fake generation wars to help Republicans -- fine, let's have another Pelosi Establishment Generation bashing. Here's Pelosi being a monster (see, don't know Democrats and shout conspiracies about unfamiliar people -- waiting for the personal insult):

"As the first woman Speaker, it was necessary for me to assert myself in a very strong way in a core value: diversity. ... I presented the case for diversity -- that our caucus should represent what Americans should see when they look at our members and our staff. ... We had more than 100 leadership gavel positions at the sub-committee for women, people of color and LGBTQ and other representatives. Later, working with our colleagues, I spearheaded the creation of the Office of Diversity and Inclusion. In fifteen years our caucus has grown to be 70% women, people of color and LGBTQ individuals ... .

"By changing the composition of our team, expanding our team, and ensuring that its composition is more 'democratic' we have made House Democratic leadership more representative and inclusive. ... in 2010 I established the position of assistant Democratic leader (later to become assistant speaker when we regained the majority). I expanded our Steering and Policy Committee to three, appointing Barbara Lee ... . Then, our newer members suggested that we create a position for those who had served for five terms or less so that more junior members would have a crucial voice in leadership discussions and decisions. I also broadened our selection process: rather than appointments by the Speaker, many of our positions are now directly elected by members. .... In addition ... I launched another initiative ... (the Black Caucus, the Hispanic Caucus, the Asian Pacific American Caucus, the Equality Caucus, the Progressive Caucus ...) . And by popular demand, we established the Select Committee ... where members could share their views about a Congress of the future. I believe in open doors and open communication in the Speaker's office."

Nancy Pelosi, "The Art of Power"

harumph

(2,437 posts)
16. I'm 61. Connolly is plain wrong about that.
Wed Dec 25, 2024, 12:15 PM
Dec 25

Anyway, it's not as if it were a choice between a highly skilled but older person and a younger inept one. And that last statement is
complete horseshit - look at what happened with Feinstein. The point being, objectively, tires only have so much tread on them.

Autumn

(46,825 posts)
21. We've seen a lot of that so called "qualified" politician who has "proved their mettle".
Wed Dec 25, 2024, 03:22 PM
Dec 25

How about a young "qualified" woman who has "proved her mettle". One who isn't close to 70 and is not undergoing cancer treatments

Alliepoo

(2,522 posts)
33. And how the heck are younger people
Wed Dec 25, 2024, 11:05 PM
Dec 25

Supposed to prove their mettle when old farts won’t get out of the way and let them? I’m pretty old myself- I’m ready for some younger people to get the Dems going!!

Trenzalore

(2,575 posts)
22. Barack Obama, JFK, Bill Clinton
Wed Dec 25, 2024, 07:16 PM
Dec 25

Absent Biden in 2020 we don't do well with experienced hands leading the counter argument

I know this is about AOC and all but really if you think a bunch of 70 year old white men are going to save the day.....

 

onecaliberal

(36,594 posts)
26. This IS why we lose and will CONTINUE TO LOSE.
Wed Dec 25, 2024, 08:40 PM
Dec 25

We don’t need some far removed people that have zero clue what anything cost but luxury apartments and jets telling us how we feel living in a fucking world with 7.25 minimum wage. Stfu already.

Response to HereForTheParty (Original post)

Cuthbert Allgood

(5,195 posts)
34. The guy has throat cancer.
Wed Dec 25, 2024, 11:12 PM
Dec 25

A tidbit he didn't disclose to his constituents. If this is about capability and functionality, that cancer is going to make both of those very hard.

Crunchy Frog

(27,179 posts)
35. If they had the required mettle
Thu Dec 26, 2024, 12:25 AM
Dec 26

Our country wouldn't have gotten into its current mess in the first place.

jalan48

(14,569 posts)
37. Absolutely! We couldn't have arrived at our current Oligarchy without the qualified Centrists at the helm of our Party.
Thu Dec 26, 2024, 12:30 AM
Dec 26

Thank you Gerry Connolly for doing your part.

Maeve

(43,079 posts)
42. It's really hard for Silent Gen and Boomers to give up power roles
Thu Dec 26, 2024, 09:59 AM
Dec 26

Speaking as a Boomer child of Silent Gen, here---we live linger and healthier than previous generations and are less acutely aware of our own frailties. We have also worked hard and know that, once you retire, you are counted out. Off to shuffleboard, grandad! Being the adult in the room has been the goal of the responsible types in our generations for so long...and it really is hard to see the "kids" as grownups, even when they have kids of their own---just trying to explain the other side, here.
Yeah, it is past time that more Gen-X and Millennials were in power positions. That is going to happen soon, and probably suddenly. But give us old folks a bit of adjustment time. We weren't very patient with out elders, either.

Happy Hoosier

(8,605 posts)
43. I'm suspicious of "generational change" for its own sake, but....
Thu Dec 26, 2024, 10:04 AM
Dec 26

our "best generals" haven't exactly impressed lately.

However, if the new folks want their chance, they need more of a sales pitch than "I'm younger."

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