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Well Would You Look At That... (Original Post) MayReasonRule Dec 25 OP
They are so stupid they literally do not know ACA is Obamacard SheltieLover Dec 25 #1
You had me at "they are so stupid". yellow dahlia Dec 25 #14
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Dec 25 #2
What's the source of the data used to construct this graphic ? eppur_se_muova Dec 25 #3
My question too. And terminology is suspect too: money "spent" does not equal "applications". Could be true, dunno. . nt Bernardo de La Paz Dec 25 #5
You have a much higher expectation of MAGA due diligence ThreeNoSeep Dec 25 #6
Graph was posted on BlueSky. Reuters is the source: spooky3 Dec 26 #26
Thanks ! graphics are pretty, but not the whole argument ... so thanks. nt eppur_se_muova Dec 26 #27
Check out the link in post #25 for Charles Gaba's explanation of what's accurate about the graphic while also Wiz Imp Dec 26 #30
And theris Ohio. irisblue Dec 25 #4
Here, let me join you.... OhioBack2Blue Dec 26 #41
What are the drivers I wonder? paleotn Dec 25 #7
Blue state people make too much money Demobrat Dec 25 #8
Isn't that how it is supposed to work? MichMan Dec 25 #11
yes, but.... NJCher Dec 25 #12
It is the individual taxpayers in states that are paying to the Federal government , not the states themselves MichMan Dec 25 #13
Kind of missing the point. paleotn Dec 25 #17
It's not the same thing NJCher Dec 25 #20
Yes. Exactly. Demobrat Dec 25 #16
Not scaled by cost of living. Interesting. paleotn Dec 25 #15
It's similar here in CA Demobrat Dec 25 #18
Axios believes this Tesha Dec 25 #9
I found it on Charles Gaba's website (he is the expert on all things related to ACA enrollments) Wiz Imp Dec 25 #10
Thanks For Researching It! Well Done Indeed! MayReasonRule Dec 26 #21
But nowhere does he explain what's so "incredibly misleading" about the data. What's the "vital context"? TheRickles Dec 26 #22
Check out the updated link in post # 25 Wiz Imp Dec 26 #23
Thanks. TheRickles Dec 26 #32
link orleans Dec 26 #25
Thanks. I didn't see that Charles Gaba posted an update with details. Wiz Imp Dec 26 #28
Thanks, very helpful. TheRickles Dec 26 #33
Thank You! MayReasonRule Dec 26 #36
I posted the link to the Reuters story above. Nt spooky3 Dec 26 #29
Thanks! That's helpful as well. Wiz Imp Dec 26 #31
"Blue state people make too much money" J_William_Ryan Dec 25 #19
Where's New Mexico? Are we not part of the 50? Clouds Passing Dec 26 #24
Link to data from Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services PaulRevere08 Dec 26 #34
Perfect! Thanks Y'all! MayReasonRule Dec 26 #35
Good info ThePartyThatListens Dec 26 #37
They are Cherokee100 Dec 26 #38
And... Justice matters. Dec 26 #39
Why are New Mexico and Colorado in red? Elessar Zappa Dec 26 #40
They shouldn't be in that pic but it's the only one i found Justice matters. Dec 26 #42

Response to MayReasonRule (Original post)

eppur_se_muova

(37,862 posts)
3. What's the source of the data used to construct this graphic ?
Wed Dec 25, 2024, 06:12 PM
Dec 25

First question any MAGAt will ask, so have it ready.

Bernardo de La Paz

(51,755 posts)
5. My question too. And terminology is suspect too: money "spent" does not equal "applications". Could be true, dunno. . nt
Wed Dec 25, 2024, 06:52 PM
Dec 25

ThreeNoSeep

(188 posts)
6. You have a much higher expectation of MAGA due diligence
Wed Dec 25, 2024, 06:56 PM
Dec 25

Than my experience has been. Remember bleach up the butt to treat COVID?
Still, I do want to know where this came from.

Wiz Imp

(2,634 posts)
30. Check out the link in post #25 for Charles Gaba's explanation of what's accurate about the graphic while also
Thu Dec 26, 2024, 01:04 PM
Dec 26

explaining what is misleading.

Demobrat

(9,978 posts)
8. Blue state people make too much money
Wed Dec 25, 2024, 07:16 PM
Dec 25

to qualify for subsidies. If you are low income, it’s a great deal. Once you start to hit middle income for the country, not your high cost of living location, it gets very pricey.

Once again, blue state people subsidize red state people.

Much better to get insurance through group plans at work, if you can.

MichMan

(13,724 posts)
11. Isn't that how it is supposed to work?
Wed Dec 25, 2024, 08:25 PM
Dec 25

Those that are relatively well off help subsidize poorer residents.

NJCher

(38,419 posts)
12. yes, but....
Wed Dec 25, 2024, 08:32 PM
Dec 25

when it's the policy of the particular state to impoverish its residents, do you think it's right that the blue states, such as mine, pick up the tab for the red states and furthermore, give way more of our tax income than we ever, ever get back?

For example, my state, NJ pays out $10 billion to the federal government.

All the while, their politicians are falling right in line with trump, saying they will vote to get rid of this meager healthcare plan we have. Which also, btw, pays out huge subsidies to the health insurers.

MichMan

(13,724 posts)
13. It is the individual taxpayers in states that are paying to the Federal government , not the states themselves
Wed Dec 25, 2024, 08:49 PM
Dec 25

New Jersey is not writing a $10 billion dollar check to the Federal government every year.

If one is opposed to taxpayers in a blue state subsiding those in a red state, how is that any different than the wealthy suburbs not wanting to share any of their tax money with a neighboring inner city?

paleotn

(19,702 posts)
17. Kind of missing the point.
Wed Dec 25, 2024, 09:27 PM
Dec 25

States or individuals in those states is irrelevant. What matters is people in blue states have to subsidize the people in red states due to red state policies that perpetuate poverty. If we didn't, MS, KY and AR would look like Nicaragua and red state policy makers would be just fine with that.

NJCher

(38,419 posts)
20. It's not the same thing
Wed Dec 25, 2024, 10:16 PM
Dec 25

you have politicians in red states making an issue over taxes. Turning down Medicaid. The voters seem to think this is the way to go so they vote for them.

Meanwhile, there is a need for medical care for the people who can't afford it, so who picks up the tab? Blue states.

In your example of the wealthy suburbs not wanting to share with the inner city, there are no politicians claiming they are trying to keep taxes down by turning down programs.

It goes without saying that the taxpayers pay the money (first paragraph).

Demobrat

(9,978 posts)
16. Yes. Exactly.
Wed Dec 25, 2024, 09:13 PM
Dec 25

And that is why there are more users in poor red states than more affluent blue states. The problem is it can get to be a real financial burden quickly. $48,000 year in West Virginia looks a lot different from $48,000 in NYC. So people look for other options.

paleotn

(19,702 posts)
15. Not scaled by cost of living. Interesting.
Wed Dec 25, 2024, 09:08 PM
Dec 25

I've always been covered by employer group plans so I'm not terribly familiar with ACA's nuts and bolts. Here in VT any employer with 4 or more employees has to offer a group plan and pay part of the cost or the state charges them a hefty fee for being assholes. Needless to say, employer group plans are pretty much the rule here.

Demobrat

(9,978 posts)
18. It's similar here in CA
Wed Dec 25, 2024, 09:42 PM
Dec 25

Employers get around it by hiring people on as contractors with no benefits. So people have to buy their own insurance, and yikes. Monthly premiums for a family of three are more than a mortgage.

Wiz Imp

(2,634 posts)
10. I found it on Charles Gaba's website (he is the expert on all things related to ACA enrollments)
Wed Dec 25, 2024, 07:27 PM
Dec 25
https://acasignups.net/blogs/charles-gaba

Charles Gaba is a very trustworthy source. Now he isn't completely endorsing it (he calls it misleading) but he's calling it "accurate" at the same time. He apparently thinks it's accurate but missing context.

Here's what he said about it:

Schrodinger's Graph: NewsWire publishes an ACA enrollment graph which is both "accurate" & incredibly misleading at the same time

This morning, the Twitter account NewsWire_US, which claims to be a "U.S. and world news aggregator," posted an amazing-looking graph which purports to break out "Obamacare applications by state for 2025" by states which voted for Donald Trump vs. those which voted for Kamala Harris last month.

Here's the graph, which includes no further context (including any data sources...NewsWire claims it came from Reuters but I can't find the original link to a story by them with this graph) beyond making it look like a whopping 82% of ACA enrollees live in Trump states:

Technically speaking, this is accurate...but it's missing a TON of vital context.

MayReasonRule

(1,959 posts)
21. Thanks For Researching It! Well Done Indeed!
Thu Dec 26, 2024, 10:45 AM
Dec 26

I just happened to catch George Takei posting the information graphic on Bluesky yesterday during a break in festivities and posted here on DU.

Happy Thursday!

TheRickles

(2,509 posts)
22. But nowhere does he explain what's so "incredibly misleading" about the data. What's the "vital context"?
Thu Dec 26, 2024, 11:47 AM
Dec 26

Wiz Imp

(2,634 posts)
28. Thanks. I didn't see that Charles Gaba posted an update with details.
Thu Dec 26, 2024, 01:00 PM
Dec 26

The info at the link is very helpful to understanding the numbers.

J_William_Ryan

(2,310 posts)
19. "Blue state people make too much money"
Wed Dec 25, 2024, 09:48 PM
Dec 25

True.

And Blue states expanded Medicaid under the ACA or already have programs that provide access to affordable healthcare for low-income families.

Most red states failed to expand Medicaid or have no state healthcare program, hence red state residents’ reliance on the ACA.

And as usual Trump voters vote against their own interests.

Justice matters.

(7,642 posts)
42. They shouldn't be in that pic but it's the only one i found
Thu Dec 26, 2024, 10:07 PM
Dec 26

somewhere (quickly, because it's not going to happen IMHO).

Although, the future is unknown, but since Canada's tax code includes the costs of healthcare for everyone, meaning income taxes for the upper-middle class and the wealthy are a lot higher (double in many cases), it would be a tough sale (and there would be a sudden urge for magats to migrate from the new Provinces to Jesusistan, and inversly, of blue voters in red states to relocate to Canada, which is kind of unrealistic, but who knows?).

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