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senseandsensibility

(21,544 posts)
Sun Dec 29, 2024, 06:40 PM Dec 2024

"The Carters were treated like dirt"

Last edited Sun Dec 29, 2024, 07:18 PM - Edit history (1)

Interesting quote from Tom Oliphont on CNN right now. He said that Washinton DC even more than NY is the snobbiest city on earth and the Carters and the "Georgians" were treated condescendingly and with hostility.

He then said that if Carter had a fault it was that he matched DC's hostility with his own. Not a fault in my opinion. His comment makes one thing clear: the elite DC Press hasn't changed.

I highly recommend CNN's coverage of Carter's death. They are presenting a very well rounded obituary style biography of his life. Wolf Blitzer came in to do it live.

Credit where credit is due, CNN.

Edited to add that Larry Sabato is on now and said that one of Carter's greatest legacies is that he was dedicated to the "public good" not personal gain. I really think that that could be a defining theme for Dems as they search for a new message.

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"The Carters were treated like dirt" (Original Post) senseandsensibility Dec 2024 OP
MLK's daughter being interviewed now senseandsensibility Dec 2024 #1
The felon and his eurotrash should Submariner Dec 2024 #2
I heard they did the same thing with the Clintons DBoon Dec 2024 #3
'They' who? elleng Dec 2024 #11
The same "they" as in the OP DBoon Dec 2024 #21
Thanks. I was here, beginning of my career as a Federal employee, elleng Dec 2024 #22
If you pay attention to US history going back to at least the revolution, the same themes come up Renew Deal Dec 2024 #4
My mother and I was talking about how President Carter..... imanamerican63 Dec 2024 #5
One of my biggest regrets-Not Voting for Carter BlueKota Dec 2024 #6
Don't beat yourself up over it senseandsensibility Dec 2024 #7
Thank you! BlueKota Dec 2024 #12
My first Presidential vote was for George Bush, Sr. Aristus Dec 2024 #9
That's a good way to look at it. BlueKota Dec 2024 #13
I won't tell you who mine was. Lol. Joinfortmill Dec 2024 #26
Okay, now I'm dying to know. Aristus Dec 2024 #27
Long ago. Joinfortmill Dec 2024 #28
Then, as a gentleman, I will inquire no further. Aristus Dec 2024 #29
Ford was the last Republican President I voted for .... Carter was the first Democratic Raine Dec 2024 #30
Me too! Actually I was almost 20 in 1976, so Ford was the first president I voted for. LeftInTX Dec 2024 #31
I proudly voted him in 76 and in 1980 KentuckyWoman Dec 2024 #10
I didn't get a chance to vote for Carter the first time meow2u3 Dec 2024 #24
Recommended. H2O Man Dec 2024 #8
Yes, I don't think I made it clear in my summary above senseandsensibility Dec 2024 #15
Not many H2O Man Dec 2024 #18
I saw Reagan in 1976. I swear he was wearing stage make up. I was about 15 feet or so from him. LeftInTX Dec 2024 #32
Like this? Clouds Passing Dec 2024 #14
Wow senseandsensibility Dec 2024 #16
YW. There may have been another public snubbing also. Clouds Passing Dec 2024 #19
Kind of tells a person where America is at today bluestarone Dec 2024 #17
I think it was Larry Sabato who said we do not value virtue and decency any more. Boomerproud Dec 2024 #20
"He then said that if Carter had a fault it was that he matched DC's hostility with his own." Seriously? THis does not Amaryllis Dec 2024 #23
Most white people who befriend black people are treated like dirt. Jit423 Dec 2024 #25
Now that you mention it... Kid Berwyn Dec 2024 #35
People like Bob Hope and Charlton Heston made disgusting Jokes about Amy Carter so when they say ZonkerHarris Dec 2024 #33
Foreshadowing the horrible treatment senseandsensibility Dec 2024 #34
and the Obama girls ZonkerHarris Dec 2024 #37
Not just Washington... Kid Berwyn Dec 2024 #36

senseandsensibility

(21,544 posts)
1. MLK's daughter being interviewed now
Sun Dec 29, 2024, 06:46 PM
Dec 2024

"He loved people and he loved serving humanity." A legacy that should inspire all of us.

Submariner

(12,952 posts)
2. The felon and his eurotrash should
Sun Dec 29, 2024, 06:57 PM
Dec 2024

be asked to not attend, since they are not respected, they are a detested foul presence when out in non-maga environment, and everyone would know, neither one of them wants to be there in the first place anyway, because for that pair of grifting trash, showing respect is just a concept for the woke.

CNN is doing a good job because former owner, and Georgia resident, Ted Turner would demand it in due respect to Jimmy.

CNN's current maga owners AT&T wouldn't give a damn.

DBoon

(23,626 posts)
3. I heard they did the same thing with the Clintons
Sun Dec 29, 2024, 07:01 PM
Dec 2024

They viewed them as Arkansas hillbillies who had no business being anywhere near the White House. Hence manufactured scandals like "Travel-gate"

DBoon

(23,626 posts)
21. The same "they" as in the OP
Sun Dec 29, 2024, 08:22 PM
Dec 2024

I assume meaning the Washington press corp and the movers and shakers in the DC social scene

elleng

(139,056 posts)
22. Thanks. I was here, beginning of my career as a Federal employee,
Sun Dec 29, 2024, 08:27 PM
Dec 2024

and obviously too far from TPTB to really KNOW.

I was pretty angry w T Kennedy, and repugs for messing with Carter's efforts to have hostages released.

Renew Deal

(83,725 posts)
4. If you pay attention to US history going back to at least the revolution, the same themes come up
Sun Dec 29, 2024, 07:07 PM
Dec 2024

Over and over and over again, just with the names changed.

BlueKota

(4,157 posts)
6. One of my biggest regrets-Not Voting for Carter
Sun Dec 29, 2024, 07:11 PM
Dec 2024

I was 18 and it was my first Presidental vote. Both my parents were registered Republicans so I assumed that's what they wanted me to do. Turns out they only registered that way so they could vote in local primaries because our town is a very Republican area. Philosophically they were actually more in line with Democrats state and nation wide.

I was then further enlightened by both my colleges History, Political Science, and Sociology Professors. Especially one who was once an Ohio State Senator and worked on Jack Kennedy's campaign. He was like a 2nd Dad to me, and I became a hardcore Democrat.

But I will never fully forgive myself for voting for Raygun over Carter. I have never voted for a Republican President since.

President Cater was the epitome of a good man. May he Rest In Peace.

senseandsensibility

(21,544 posts)
7. Don't beat yourself up over it
Sun Dec 29, 2024, 07:14 PM
Dec 2024

We all do foolish things in our youth due to ignorance or naivety. The real tragedy would have been if you didn't learn from it.

Aristus

(69,541 posts)
9. My first Presidential vote was for George Bush, Sr.
Sun Dec 29, 2024, 07:18 PM
Dec 2024

He was also my last Republican vote ever. We all make mistakes. If we learn from them, as you and I did, that is the best outcome.

Raine

(30,739 posts)
30. Ford was the last Republican President I voted for .... Carter was the first Democratic
Mon Dec 30, 2024, 04:06 AM
Dec 2024

President voted for.

LeftInTX

(32,761 posts)
31. Me too! Actually I was almost 20 in 1976, so Ford was the first president I voted for.
Mon Dec 30, 2024, 04:56 AM
Dec 2024

I turned around and proudly voted for Carter in 1980. Reagan actually showed up at my college campus in January 1976. Someone tried to get me to go protest, but it didn't interest me. But I sure heard an earful about him.

The 1980 election was such a bummer. They announced Reagan as the winner when I was standing in line.

KentuckyWoman

(6,951 posts)
10. I proudly voted him in 76 and in 1980
Sun Dec 29, 2024, 07:21 PM
Dec 2024

Even when the Democrats were unkind and unfair. No man is perfect but I never thought anyone could have done a better job in the moment than he did. Certainly, no man can be a better man than Jimmy Carter.

meow2u3

(25,117 posts)
24. I didn't get a chance to vote for Carter the first time
Sun Dec 29, 2024, 10:07 PM
Dec 2024

I was only 16 when he was elected. I regret my vote in 1980 for Reagan over Carter because I didn't know any better (I was a conservative kid, but grew up when I got older). I hadn't voted for repukes for President since.

H2O Man

(76,503 posts)
8. Recommended.
Sun Dec 29, 2024, 07:16 PM
Dec 2024

It was more than the media. A large section of Democrats in DC self-identified as "Kennedy Democrats," and resented anyone who did not do so. I say that as someone who was a Kennedy Democrat but supported Jimmy Carter. But if one reads the book of Arthur Schlesinger, Jr's journals, for but one example, you find the foolish hostility Carter was confronted with.

senseandsensibility

(21,544 posts)
15. Yes, I don't think I made it clear in my summary above
Sun Dec 29, 2024, 07:31 PM
Dec 2024

that Oliphont was talking about DC "society" as well as the press. IMO he had every right to be "hostile" in return but then again, I am not as good of a Christian as Carter was.

H2O Man

(76,503 posts)
18. Not many
Sun Dec 29, 2024, 07:49 PM
Dec 2024

ever have been.

A few years ago, my cousin called me ....... he was debating a friend on FB, and the guy was saying that President Carter, while a good man, was a failure as president. My cousin knows I don't take kindly to people ignorantly saying that. So I got on the internet, and went through the long list of his accomplishments as president. The man had an amazing mind, and really cared about everyone.

Only those who were opulently wealthy would have reason to favor the Gipper over Carter. But there were lots of brain-dead Americans who were hypnotized by Reagan's campaign ads. I have a friend -- my age, a life-long Democrat -- who takes pride in that he sat up close at one of Reagan's campaign speeches. Hypnotized!

Whatever disease that type has, has since mutated, abandoned Reagan worship, and bowed to the sociopath. They are the blind, deaf, and mute people that the prophet Jesus spoke of. People incapable of appreciating what a great man Jimmy Carter was.

LeftInTX

(32,761 posts)
32. I saw Reagan in 1976. I swear he was wearing stage make up. I was about 15 feet or so from him.
Mon Dec 30, 2024, 05:05 AM
Dec 2024

He had this big fake smile...Yuck.....

Clouds Passing

(4,257 posts)
14. Like this?
Sun Dec 29, 2024, 07:29 PM
Dec 2024
https://outsidethebeltway.com/carter_snubbed/

“Jimmy Carter Who?

More details are emerging about the White House’s decision — really President Bush’s personal decision — not to include former President Jimmy Carter in the official U.S. delegation to the funeral of Pope John Paul II.

According to White House sources, Carter’s representatives, apparently from the former president’s Carter Center, reached out to the White House over the weekend and offered to lead the U.S. delegation should the President or other senior Bush administration officials not be able to attend. “There was no misunderstanding. It wasn’t Carter who made the actual call, but the message was pure Carter gumption,” says a White House source. “We were getting lots of calls from lots of people looking to get on this delegation. I would say over the weekend alone we got more than 100 requests, maybe more.”

Carter went public on Tuesday with his dissatisfaction at not being invited, after the White House announced that the official delegation would be made up of the current and two prior sitting Presidents, and Secretary of State Rice.”

bluestarone

(19,373 posts)
17. Kind of tells a person where America is at today
Sun Dec 29, 2024, 07:33 PM
Dec 2024

Treat a true loving Christian American hero like a NOBODY, Then treat an Anti Christ like the CHOSEN ONE. Way to go IDIOTS!!

Boomerproud

(8,702 posts)
20. I think it was Larry Sabato who said we do not value virtue and decency any more.
Sun Dec 29, 2024, 07:55 PM
Dec 2024

He is right about a lot of people and it put a knife through my heart.

Amaryllis

(10,205 posts)
23. "He then said that if Carter had a fault it was that he matched DC's hostility with his own." Seriously? THis does not
Sun Dec 29, 2024, 09:41 PM
Dec 2024

fit his character.

Jit423

(1,133 posts)
25. Most white people who befriend black people are treated like dirt.
Sun Dec 29, 2024, 10:13 PM
Dec 2024

John Brown, WJC, HRC, JEC, Eleanor R, to name a few

Kid Berwyn

(19,753 posts)
35. Now that you mention it...
Mon Dec 30, 2024, 04:28 PM
Dec 2024

…John F. Kennedy is another.

JFK believed in D.E.I.

Not only did he say so, JFK put it into action -- promoting Abraham Bolden personally to the White House Secret Service detail. Makes an excellent Labor Day story.

Former U.S. Secret Service Agent Abraham BOLDEN was the first African American Secret Service agent to serve in the White House, personally appointed and literally hand-picked by President John F. Kennedy to the White House detail. Agent Abraham Bolden reported overt racism by his fellow agents and outright hostility toward the "n------loving president," quoting fellow Secret Service agents on the JFK detail.

In addition to enduring all manner of personal indignities, he was concerned at the lack of professionalism in those assigned to protect the president and reported his concerns. He was told, "OK. Thanks" by his superiors. When the problems weren't addressed, Bolden requested transfer back to the Secret Service office in Chicago.



President Biden recently pardoned Abraham Bolden



The story of a man who told the truth:



After 45 Years, a Civil Rights Hero Waits for Justice

Thom Hartmann
June 12, 2009 11:52 AM

A great miscarriage of justice has kept most Americas from learning about a Civil Rights pioneer who worked with President John F. Kennedy. But there is finally a way for citizens to not only right that wrong, but bring closure to the most tragic chapter of American presidential history.

After an outstanding career in law enforcement, Abraham Bolden was appointed by JFK to be the first African American presidential Secret Service agent, where he served with distinction. He was part of the Secret Service effort that prevented JFK's assassination in Chicago, three weeks before Dallas. But Bolden was framed by the Mafia and arrested on the very day he went to Washington to tell the Warren Commission staff about the Chicago attempt against JFK.

Bolden was sentenced to six years in prison, despite glaring problems with his prosecution. His arrest resulted from accusations by two criminals Bolden had sent to prison. In Bolden's first trial, an apparently biased judge told the jury that Bolden was guilty, even before they began their deliberations. Though granted a new trial because of that, the same problematic judge was assigned to oversee Bolden's second trial, which resulted in his conviction. Later, the main witness against Bolden admitted committing perjury against him. A key member of the prosecution even took the fifth when asked about the perjury. Yet Bolden's appeals were denied, and he had to serve hard time in prison, and today is considered a convicted felon.

After the release of four million pages of JFK assassination files in the 1990s, it became clear that Bolden -- and the official secrecy surrounding the Chicago attempt against JFK -- were due to National Security concerns about Cuba, that were unknown to Bolden, the press, Congress, and the public not just in 1963, but for the next four decades.

SNIP...

Abraham Bolden paid a heavy price for trying to tell the truth about events involving the man he was sworn to protect -- JFK -- that became mired in National Security concerns. Bolden still lives in Chicago, and has never given up trying to clear his name.

Will Abraham Bolden live to finally see the justice so long denied to him?

CONTINUED...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/thom-hartmann/after-45-years-a-civil-ri_b_213834.html



After the assassination, Agent Bolden traveled to Washington on his own dime and reported what he saw to the Warren Commission. For his trouble -- and despite an exemplary record of excellence as a Brinks detective, Illinois State Trooper, and Secret Service agent with integrity -- Bolden was framed by the government using a paid informant's admitted perjury and spent a long time in prison. The government also drugged him and put him into psychiatric hospitals. His real crime was telling the truth.

 

ZonkerHarris

(25,577 posts)
33. People like Bob Hope and Charlton Heston made disgusting Jokes about Amy Carter so when they say
Mon Dec 30, 2024, 05:43 AM
Dec 2024

children are off limits they only mean GOP kids.
Fuck Bob Hope and Heston and all the others at the time

Kid Berwyn

(19,753 posts)
36. Not just Washington...
Mon Dec 30, 2024, 04:43 PM
Dec 2024


How a Deep State Plot Sank Jimmy Carter

PETER DALE SCOTT
WhoWhatWhy.Org, 11/02/14

The Safari Club was an alliance between national intelligence agencies that wished to compensate for the CIA’s retrenchment in the wake of President Carter’s election and Senator Church’s post-Watergate reforms. As former Saudi intelligence chief Prince Turki bin Faisal once told Georgetown University alumni,

In 1976, after the Watergate matters took place here, your intelligence community was literally tied up by Congress. It could not do anything. It could not send spies, it could not write reports, and it could not pay money. In order to compensate for that, a group of countries got together in the hope of fighting Communism and established what was called the Safari Club. The Safari Club included France, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Morocco, and Iran. (1)


After Carter was elected, the Safari Club allied itself with Richard Helms and Theodore Shackley against the more restrained intelligence policies of Jimmy Carter, according to Joseph Trento. In Trento’s account, the dismissal by William Colby in 1974 of CIA counterintelligence chief James Angleton,

combined with Watergate, is what prompted the Safari Club to start working with [former DCI Richard] Helms [then U.S. Ambassador to Iran] and his most trusted operatives outside of Congressional and even Agency purview. James Angleton said before his death that “Shackley and Helms … began working with outsiders like Adham and Saudi Arabia. The traditional CIA answering to the president was an empty vessel having little more than technical capability.”(2)


Trento adds that “The Safari Club needed a network of banks to finance its intelligence operations. With the official blessing of George Bush as the head of the CIA, Adham transformed . . . the Bank of Credit and Commerce International (BCCI), into a worldwide money-laundering machine.”(3) Trento claims also that the Safari Club then was able to work with some of the controversial CIA operators who had been forced out of the CIA by Turner, and that this was coordinated by Theodore Shackley:

Shackley, who still had ambitions to become DCI, believed that without his many sources and operatives like [Edwin] Wilson, the Safari Club—operating with [former DCI Richard] Helms in charge in Tehran—would be ineffective. . . . Unless Shackley took direct action to complete the privatization of intelligence operations soon, the Safari Club would not have a conduit to [CIA] resources. The solution: create a totally private intelligence network using CIA assets until President Carter could be replaced. (4)


Continues…

https://whowhatwhy.org/politics/government-integrity/the-deep-state-plots-the-1980-defeat-of-jimmy-carter/

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