I never want to hear these words from anyone ever again.

[Ray Bruns]

“with liberty and justice for all."

[Irish_Dem]

1. Yes it is a total lie. We were brainwashed into believing so much bullshit.

[DENVERPOPS]

24. George Carlin.........perfect

May he rest in peace, having tried to tell us all the way things really are:

George Carlin, 100% dead on, with this rant years ago, describing the future...............

&t=57s

[Irish_Dem]

38. He was way ahead of the curve. We all laughed at the time.

But we are not laughing now.

[Roc2020]

72. That's chilling how

accurate he was. The country is really in crisis never experienced before. I'm really fascinated curious and very watchful how Americans will respond or react.

[magicarpet]

54. All men (+women) are created equal....

Smirk/Giggle/Fart....

[Irish_Dem]

60. Ha ha. Women are still second class citizens.

With the GOP making it a crime to treat dying women, we are now lower than American livestock and pets.
People are allowed to treat dying pets and farm animals.

[Diamond_Dog]

76. Yep. Depressing, isn't it.

[Irish_Dem]

77. Depressing and disgusting.

My Dad was US career military and he did not fly combat in three wars so his daughter and granddaughters
would be treated worse than gd barnyard animals.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

67. Completely!!

[eppur_se_muova]

2. "No one is above the law." nt

[Different Drummer]

14. Which we now know is complete

💩

[calimary]

46. Well, we do know of one person who is somehow able to make sure HE is above the law.

That fucking orange-faced, forked-tongued BASTARD.

[DENVERPOPS]

21. How about

One Person, One Vote.......

[Shermann]

66. Every person gets one vote, they just don't all count as much. nt

[DENVERPOPS]

71. Just like in Russia

Like one of Hitler's henchmen once said, we don't care about the votes, we only care about who is counting them........

[WhiskeyGrinder]

3. Did you believe in it before this day?

[Ray Bruns]

5. I did when I was young. Starry eyed fourteen year old in high school.

Did a lot of growing up since then.

[cyndensco]

49. I complained to my mother about having to recite the pledge daily at school.

She told me if I chose not to say it she would support me. In her opinion, the last line made the whole thing invalid.

I was in elementary school.

[DENVERPOPS]

58. I remember

when all of a sudden in the 50's they ADDED the phrase, UNDER GOD.............

[Lucky Luciano]

59. I used to misbehave during the pledge in elementary school.

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I would make childishly funny word changes or burp or not say it at all. As a 7 year old or so I somehow knew it did not feel right to just mindlessly do it. Nobody ever told me to be that way…but the school psychologist got involved because I wouldn’t comply!

[dalton99a]

4. Blatantly false advertising that should be removed from the Supreme Whorehouse

"Equal Justice Under Law" my ass

[dchill]

6. Too bad for you.

They'll claim that is why Trump was not sentenced.

[SoFlaBro]

7. Used to say that fucking shit every week at Boy Scouts. Had no idea it was a total crock of shit.

[Keepthesoulalive]

12. I stopped standing in high school and my children were taught not to stand.

We had to have a conversation with some of the teachers but they got my point.

[Meowmee]

51. My brother refused to do it pretty early on

and they were furious but they could not force him to... I just did it because it had no real meaning to me then anyway

[IA8IT]

8. Small town police radio scanners you hear important names that never that never get to court.

Justice is infinitely adjustable

[Stargleamer]

9. Here's another one:

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"In America, nobody is above the law"

[Bettie]

13. And "the US is a nation of laws"...

yeah, not so much.

[Different Drummer]

16. ...

🤣

[Meowmee]

52. Yup.. please stop saying that.... 🤦🏻‍♀️ Most of us knew it was never true

[LakeArenal]

10. The whole pledge can be banned

I even think they added “under god” much later.

[niyad]

30. 1954

[state of stupid]

31. During Eisenhower to distinguish us from the "godless" communists

[BobsYourUncle]

48. With a big push from the bunch of dress-up clowns, the Knights of Columbus. NT

[DaBronx]

11. Ain't that the truth

….along with “no man is above the law” crap that DOJ spewed.

[BigMin28]

56. It is my sincere hope

that Garland is haunted by what is about to become of his precious DOJ. What he was so worried about protecting is about to be turned into a organized crime ring. He protected nothing.

[DaBronx]

78. Yep

[barbtries]

15. yeah.

it's aspirational. but i have no desire to recite the pledge of allegiance. i don't swell with pride when i hear the national anthem. i used to. I remember walking down the street and thinking how lucky I was to have been born in the USA.

republicans turned it into a shithole country. If I had the means and my family was with me, I would leave.

As it is I will be here and I will be a part of The Opposition, and I will resist and i will not change, or shut up about it.

[Emile]

17. K & R

[drray23]

18. Likewise about the US being a shinning beacon of democracy.

Loads of nonsense. We have zero credibility about going around wagging our finger at other countries for not being democracies.

[Magoo48]

19. Nope, of course, when did they ever really ring true?

[bsiebs]

20. "Don't do the crime if you cant do the time"

That one hasn't aged well either.....

[state of stupid]

32. That depends on how much money and influence you have

[wnylib]

22. Well, in spite of the fact that "liberty and justice for all"

has never been fully lived up to, I refuse to drop those words as a value to promote, despite corrupt courts and the power of oligarchs.

If those words are ever to have meaning as a reality, it will happen only when enough people are committed to those words to make them happen.

As a retired person, I am not exposed to settings where the pledge is recited. I do not feel a need or desire to recite the pledge and I take exception to other parts of it as well.

But I can and do feel committed to the goal of "liberty and justice for all."

[lastlib]

23. Just change the last word.......

"...liberty and justice for the rich......"

"...one nation under tRump.... "

[Meowmee]

53. Perfect 😹 Just add Life to it as well

[kimbutgar]

25. I get nauseous when I hear the word liberty it is such bs word that the right wingers throw out

While taking away voting rights, woman’s rights, LGBTQ rights. Where’s our liberty to have these freedoms?

[ancianita]

27. You still have the liberty to fight for everything you say is lost. You still have liberty. If you say you don't,

you've abandoned all agency still left to every single one of We The People.

[kimbutgar]

29. But what happens when "we the people " are annihilated by his MAGAloons that he'll send out to go after

Us and he’ll promise them immunity.

Remember Hitler 2.0 has total immunity in carrying out presidential duties. And who’s to say he won’t use it to go after his enemies in states that didn’t vote for him?

[ancianita]

39. Don't make up hypotheticals to continue your fear habit. Fear kills the soul and hardens hearts and minds.

Why do you think "when "we the people " are annihilated" or "who's to say" when it didn't happen the first shot he took. Why do you think he's so powerful, or his "magaloons" are in such great numbers. They're not.
Biden has time and time again told you that "America is an idea." If you think an idea can die in the next four years, if you think that millions of your American brothers and sisters won't fight for their children's freedom and futures, think again.

It's a big country. Democracy has millions more allies than the 23% who voted for the Felon.

https://thefederalnewswire.com/stories/665892188-litigation-coalition-forming-to-confront-trump-administration-policies

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democracy_Alliance

https://www.propublica.org/topics/trump-administration

https://breakingnewsusa.com



Do NOT give in to your fear. Do not let your fear drive your imagination. Try not to post fear.
Take heart. Know that millions of all of us are together in this righteous fight for our descendants' future.

[ancianita]

26. Proclaim what you want. But you can't love democracy, rule of law, liberty and justice for all ONLY WHEN YOU WIN.

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[lostnfound]

43. That seems like some very convoluted logic. Nt

[ancianita]

44. How so?

[lostnfound]

74. The OP writes of disillusionment. To be dis-illusioned is to free oneself from an illusion

And an illusion is a falsehood.

I expect that the OP is NOT saying that he disagrees with the ideal of liberty and justice for all.

I presume that the OP is removing an illusion from his own mind that the United States, as a country, actually values liberty and justice for all. “Liberty and justice for all” is more of a slogan, a pretense, than an authentic value of the U.S. in 2025.

Pointing out the illusion, the deception, is a community service.

It’s quite a different area from “you can’t love your country only when you win”.
It’s more like “you can’t admit reality only when you are proud of it”.

[ancianita]

75. The OP writes "I never want to hear..." "Disillusionment" is solely your interpretation, and thanks for your thoughts.

"I never want to hear..." is a statement of permanence.
It 'never wants to hear' any post of Biden OR the Felon saying it. Disillusionment, as you interpret it, is usually a temporary emotion that can drive what one says and does, but one needs to be careful about using always and never driven by a temporary emotion.
It's more helpful to sit with one's disillusionment than to later say "oh I really didn't mean that."

Appreciate your effort, but gotta say that as long as you choose to interpret the OP as disillusionment, any reader can also reasonably interpret "never want to hear" as a permanent removing of oneself from 'small d' democratic talk that reflects on America as an "idea," which Joe Biden has claimed for years. It can also be interpreted as a more permanent loss of faith in ideas upheld and defended by Americans since the founding.

But historically our losses don't reflect the best of our party or the country. Disillusion prevents one from an historical and/or numbers perspective -- that the majority of this country has not voted GOP for a long time, and this time, not for the criminality that surrounds the Felon or the Heritage ideas that will hurt them if enacted. Many high visibility figures have said this.

Overall, the words "never want" only reflect a personal reality. If they prove any relatable exterior reality, it's that rule of law, equality under the law, are down. But not out.

That's just my opinion.

[sop]

28. The same people who make a mockery of the Rule of Law want to make kids pray and read the bible in school.

[pandr32]

33. I do.

I also hope that it will become a goal. We must get dark money out of our way.

[Comfortably_Numb]

34. And "no man is above the law." What a load of bullshit.

[Little Frieda]

35. With Liberty and Justice for Some

.

[-misanthroptimist]

36. The Rule of Law is indeed dead.

Act accordingly, as conscience and circumstance dictate.

[Celerity]

37. there's no justice, it's just us

[Permanut]

40. and I stopped singing the national anthem many years ago..

"..the land of the free.."

More BS.

[DSandra]

41. You are made blind to soo many things as someone who grows up in America...

This is just a small sample...

[Xavier Breath]

42. As long as we're tossing out antiquated American slogans...

Sorry, Superman.

[bdamomma]

45. Certainly

not for us (serfdom). Absolutely sickening.

[stollen]

47. I thought you were going to say "Felon Trump."

I've used the term 10 times this a.m alone.

[Tetrachloride]

50. I keep saying "with liberty and justice for all". regardless of the rest of the world and DU.

I expect it of myself and a few of my family appreciate my view.

[Ferrets are Cool]

55. Right on!!

Students in elementary schools in my area are COMPELLED to say this bullshit every morning before class. It sickens my stomach to hear the indoctrination and lies coming from their mouths.

[dlk]

57. It is an ideal to work toward

Not the status quo.

[hatrack]

61. The phrase "law and order" can also go fuck itself . . .

[Seinan Sensei]

62. "Patriot"

Is another RW go-to word.
To them, any original meaning of this word is lost and gone forever.

[Oopsie Daisy]

63. I'd be happy if we could permanently and officially omit "Under God" *

* and "In God We Trust".

[IzzaNuDay]

64. I quit saying the pledge of allegiance long ago

I don’t do the hands to the heart, don’t say the words.

It’s a farce!

[orleans]

65. i actually chuckled when i read "and justice for all" nt

[KatjeD]

68. Well, that's one approach. I'd rather scream them at the top of my lungs at the end as an act of shaming and defiance.

Just as I refuse to surrender the flag to the Neo-Nazis and Proud Boys, I'm not about to surrender my pledge to it either. The fascists may choose to think those words don't matter, but I am here to remind them with my last breath: "liberty and justice for all" means LIBERTY and JUSTICE for ALL.

[HereForTheParty]

69. Replace with "the pursuit of liberty and justice for all."

nm

[Doc_Technical]

70. "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State...."

Militias are not necessary now.

As far as I'm concerned, the Second Amendment
only applies to muzzle loading, smooth bore,
black powder firearms.

[Attilatheblond]

73. Haven't been able to say those words since Ford pardoned Nixon