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gab13by13

(26,366 posts)
Sat Jan 25, 2025, 08:02 AM Jan 25

The Sky Is Falling

I am going to keep doing this until people look the fuck up, the sky is falling.

Last might Trump fired 17 Inspector generals, the people who keep a watch out for waste, fraud and abuse.

I saw a headline this morning, "This appears to be in violation of federal law." So what? Trump violated federal law last night. Who is going to stop the King?

50 fucking Senators who fear retribution from the King voted for a drunken, wife abusing rapist to be the face of our Defense department.
When Hegseth gets that 3AM call, most likely he will still be in a bar getting a lap dance.

The Sky Is Falling Right Fucking Now and do not put it past the corrupt members of the Supreme Court to toss out birth right citizenship.

What is the plan from Democrats? Who is organizing them to respond, to take action against the illegal actions of our King?

Donate money to fighters, donate to the ACLU, Southern Poverty Law Center, AOC, Jasmine Crocket.

Democratic Party, stop sending me texts to donate more money. Show me what you are doing first?

https://www.theweek.in/news/world/2025/01/25/did-donald-trump-break-us-law-while-firing-heads-of-17-independent-government-agencies.html

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The Sky Is Falling (Original Post) gab13by13 Jan 25 OP
10000000 agree completely Pachamama Jan 25 #1
Double Damn Ditto!! Jit423 Jan 25 #46
Gop files lawsuits for everything kerouac2 Jan 25 #2
Add in injunctions. mwmisses4289 Jan 25 #4
Tsk, Tsk. Everyone calm down and relax. Do not over react. Have patience. Trump is not that bad. dalton99a Jan 25 #3
Purchasing an AR-15 would be a better choice Kaleva Jan 25 #5
Oh I have plans to move in with my daughter if a Civil war erupts gab13by13 Jan 25 #6
You do have a plan. I can't quibble with that! Kaleva Jan 25 #43
Rally Points Baron2024 Jan 25 #57
Yeah, the cavalry might not be available to rescue us. hadEnuf Jan 25 #8
In addition DENVERPOPS Jan 25 #34
Right On Baron2024 Jan 25 #55
And don't forget DENVERPOPS Jan 25 #61
"We are the cavalry we will be waiting for"? TommyT139 Jan 25 #51
In Sept. my MAGA bro-in-law said we needed assault rifles to defend ourselves from the government Native Jan 25 #11
Now they might support confiscating our guns Kaleva Jan 25 #44
Trump has figured out that PatSeg Jan 25 #7
Once Again, Folks... Mr.Bee Jan 25 #9
Yes. I lay a lot of the responsibility on the RW media. yellow dahlia Jan 25 #27
It was all by design, YD DENVERPOPS Jan 25 #36
Excellent chronicle. yellow dahlia Jan 25 #37
The truth is, DENVERPOPS Jan 25 #52
But WHY is the drivel so attractive to so many? dickthegrouch Jan 25 #38
K&R spanone Jan 25 #10
You're going to keep doing what? MineralMan Jan 25 #12
With all due respect, I think he did make a suggestion -- a pretty good one really. From his OP: KPN Jan 25 #28
With respect, money won't fix it. Magoo48 Jan 26 #80
Agreed. Great post. Not only won't money fix it, money is the problem, KPN Jan 26 #82
Yes, let's do. Magoo48 Jan 26 #83
It's only been 6 days since Traitor began his assault on our democracy Arazi Jan 25 #50
After the election loss (and even before), the Democratic Party leaders should have prepared for this situation. Efilroft Sul Jan 25 #13
Well said ES DENVERPOPS Jan 25 #56
Before you blame the Democratic Party Pototan Jan 25 #14
I have carefully watched DENVERPOPS Jan 25 #25
I am always homegirl Jan 25 #33
But we only change things when we are uncomfortable dickthegrouch Jan 25 #39
We have been way behind in innovative, energy saving, disaster avoiding home construction tech for decades now Attilatheblond Jan 25 #49
Good point, and also why we should have done more over the past 40 plus years to ensure KPN Jan 25 #29
Keep in mind how many people he appointed were soon fired tin his 1st term. JohnnyRingo Jan 25 #15
He also fired competent people because they did not wnylib Jan 25 #48
He fired a lot of people, that's true. JohnnyRingo Jan 25 #65
I'm not sure that this batch of appointees will get fired. wnylib Jan 25 #75
problem is Skittles Jan 25 #71
Corrupt, belligerently ignorant, sociopathic who res, Dark n Stormy Knight Jan 26 #76
Corrupt media has contributed to this. twodogsbarking Jan 25 #16
Lawsuits have already been filed regarding birthright, and Dems are resisting ICE raids. Martin Eden Jan 25 #17
"Did Donald Trump break US law...?" dchill Jan 25 #18
One simple plan might be to only support our young Democrats - the old guard NoMoreRepugs Jan 25 #19
Forceful fanatics can only be defeated by force. wnylib Jan 25 #53
Ahhh... gotcha! The insinuation is (again) that "Democrats are just sitting on our hands doing nothing." Oopsie Daisy Jan 25 #20
Excellent post! Felicita Jan 25 #23
So task a few with collection of information and publishing where it counts dickthegrouch Jan 25 #42
Hi, Dick! Yes! That's certainly a better idea than automatically assuming the worst * Oopsie Daisy Jan 25 #45
But allegiance to a party should be conditional and transactional choie Jan 25 #60
This sounds like the logic and justification people gave for voting for Stein. Oopsie Daisy Jan 25 #63
Yes, and we have choice as to which Democrats we vote for. choie Jan 25 #64
That's not what you said, Choie! Oopsie Daisy Jan 25 #66
You misunderstand me. Or perhaps I wasn't clear. choie Jan 25 #69
My transactional donation to the democratic party. For instance, SupportSanity Jan 25 #73
Post removed Post removed Jan 25 #21
Other recent disasters (you may have covered these in previous posts) muriel_volestrangler Jan 25 #22
Hey Muriel DENVERPOPS Jan 25 #59
Please stop blaming the Democratic Party Felicita Jan 25 #24
Great post. Thank you. Oopsie Daisy Jan 25 #68
The didn't waste anytime starting to implement Project 2025 D. Spaulding Jan 25 #26
You are spot on gab13! choie Jan 25 #30
I agree. Despite consistently texting STOP in response, I keep getting texts asking me to send money -- KPN Jan 25 #31
My husband & I and my mother, seperately, sure did donate more Dark n Stormy Knight Jan 26 #78
Yes! OldBaldy1701E Jan 25 #32
I fear that you are correct. Mickju Jan 25 #35
If I felt that something serious was being done I'd donate. Kablooie Jan 25 #40
People voted for this shit. People who stayed at home also voted for it. LeftInTX Jan 25 #41
TCF fired the people who have actually been doing the things Elon claims his imaginary DOGE will do. Attilatheblond Jan 25 #47
Not A King But A Dictator Baron2024 Jan 25 #54
Its all about Cherokee100 Jan 25 #58
17 IG's fired in 1 night - We didn't fire Louis DeJoy in 4 years Number9Dream Jan 25 #62
Would have been contrary to norms, have to respect precedent, GoYouPackersGo Jan 25 #72
Agree, gap13x13 republianmushroom Jan 25 #67
K & R n/t malaise Jan 25 #70
Just because Trump says it is so, does not MAKE it so. Jack Valentino Jan 25 #74
I personally will never stop fighting for what's right. Initech Jan 26 #77
Either you're right or Merrick Garland is just keeping his powder dry! dchill Jan 26 #79
Yes, WE CAN ALL SEE THAT. MAYBE IF WE SCREAM IT MORE TO EACH OTHER IT WILL STOP TRUMP themaguffin Jan 26 #81

dalton99a

(86,306 posts)
3. Tsk, Tsk. Everyone calm down and relax. Do not over react. Have patience. Trump is not that bad.
Sat Jan 25, 2025, 08:17 AM
Jan 25

And Republicans are people too


Kaleva

(38,899 posts)
5. Purchasing an AR-15 would be a better choice
Sat Jan 25, 2025, 09:26 AM
Jan 25

Donating is what one does during normal times.

Everybody you listed plays by the rules. Fascists don't.

gab13by13

(26,366 posts)
6. Oh I have plans to move in with my daughter if a Civil war erupts
Sat Jan 25, 2025, 09:47 AM
Jan 25

Her house is atop a high hill with a secluded driveway.

My son-in-law has a touch of PTSD so he is the perfect person to have in the house. He has a safe full of weapons including AR's and AK's.

Baron2024

(1,123 posts)
57. Rally Points
Sat Jan 25, 2025, 04:12 PM
Jan 25

We need locations to rally at. Dems should rapidly form Militias to defend the Constitution. Blue State locations would be best to start with. Resistance!

DENVERPOPS

(10,747 posts)
34. In addition
Sat Jan 25, 2025, 01:26 PM
Jan 25

I think that we have NO IDEA how deep the MAGA movement has imbedded themselves into the Military, Nat Guard, Border Patrol, Secret Service, etc etc etc

We got a glimpse, for those who were watching, during the J6th insurrection........And of course, no attention what-so-ever was paid to the COMMAND of those groups.........Little has been said about the Secretary of the Army being the ONLY one ALLOWED to order the National Guard into action, and everyone who tried to contact him by the telephone just got a busy signal, or his phone ringing and not being answered.......The story of the Maryland Governor was buried. He had his National Guard assembled at his State's border, and was calling the number and not getting through, and finally directed his Guard to go full steam ahead to the capitol.....by the time they reached the Capitol, it was regretfully, pretty much all over........Little did I expect to see, all the seditionists allowed to just walk away from the Capitol without being corralled, confronted, and arrested......

Baron2024

(1,123 posts)
55. Right On
Sat Jan 25, 2025, 04:08 PM
Jan 25

You should post this as an OP. We need a thread to talk about this. MAGA in the military and the police. Fascists need to be rooted out. Good post.

DENVERPOPS

(10,747 posts)
61. And don't forget
Sat Jan 25, 2025, 04:59 PM
Jan 25

The State Governments and City Governments that have been colluding with the racist MAGAs in their Police Departments. Just look at the Police Department's Racist Cops, that intentionally inflicted their wrath on PEACEFUL demonstrations like Black Lives Matter, and the Black population in general...
We are a Blue state, and the Aurora City Council, and the Denver City Council have paid out TENS of MILLIONS for horrific police brutality claims in these cities in the past ten years. Hell, Aurora PD and Paramedics, quite literally EUTHANIZED a young black who was just walking down the street.......etc etc etc.

I can only imagine how emboldened the MAGA movement will be, from now on, with Trump in office. Especially since he pardoned every seditionist in the J6th blood bath...............

TommyT139

(987 posts)
51. "We are the cavalry we will be waiting for"?
Sat Jan 25, 2025, 03:34 PM
Jan 25

Needs workshopping, but sounds about right.

Sadly, those of us in blue states will be less well-equipped.

Native

(6,888 posts)
11. In Sept. my MAGA bro-in-law said we needed assault rifles to defend ourselves from the government
Sat Jan 25, 2025, 10:16 AM
Jan 25

Fast forward 4 months and i actually agree with him.

PatSeg

(49,847 posts)
7. Trump has figured out that
Sat Jan 25, 2025, 09:49 AM
Jan 25

he can break laws at will and no one does anything about it. All that law abiding stuff is the for the weak.

yellow dahlia

(1,283 posts)
27. Yes. I lay a lot of the responsibility on the RW media.
Sat Jan 25, 2025, 12:48 PM
Jan 25

I have been monitoring fox and (not)newsmax for a few years. The propaganda campaign is astounding, but effective. And then there are OAN and real America'svoice. And the far far-right nutjobs on podcasts and such, such as alex jones and dan bongino, and a whole bunch of other weirdos.

DENVERPOPS

(10,747 posts)
36. It was all by design, YD
Sat Jan 25, 2025, 01:46 PM
Jan 25

The RepubliCONs have been chipping away at it since HW and his CABAL corruptly interfered in the 1980 election and got their Pawn Reagan installed in the White House. The damage done during two terms of Reagan was incredible. Then, when they once again corruptly got W installed in 2000 and 2004, they had their program on a full roll out.

Fox News and Limbaugh, as well as RW Radio were almost like a psy-ops part of their extremely well organized and orchestrated efforts......as well as all the rest of the Media which is 95+% owned and/or operated by the RepubliCON Oligarchs.

The psychiatrists have said that if a person is exposed ONLY to Fox and RW radio for ten years, it very effectively brain washes them.

The most prominent things in their accomplishments, in my opinion, were utilizing TREASON to install Reagan which allowed HW and his CABAL to run things for eight years, getting HW installed so he could pardon the 100+ plus members of his CABAL that were indicted at the end of Reagan's occupation of the White House. Then came the 2000 election, where they got the USSC and allowed them to corruptly intervene, which resulted in stopping the count in Florida, which would have given the election to the dems.
Followed up in 2004 with the voting machines being seriously corrupted to keep W in office, Then their Supreme Court in 2010 making "Citizens United" a matter of law, then intentionally rallying the Religious Right and White Supremacists in favor of Trump, and allowing Russia to provide assistance in the corrupting of the voting to make sure Hillary didn't get into office and installing Trump....

A RepubliCON Presidential Aide long ago was quoted as telling a Dem Aide: "We will do whatever we want, and all you will be able to do is stand back and watch"

Pretty much was what they did........

yellow dahlia

(1,283 posts)
37. Excellent chronicle.
Sat Jan 25, 2025, 02:04 PM
Jan 25


And I keep saying - now what?

It looks like one of their next moves is to create a civil war, although I contend we are in a cold civil war already.

I keep thinking if we can get the counter-narrative out effectively, it is one way to sway a shift in the minds of some of those who are bamboozled and conned, but maybe not full on brain washed.

What would happen if it is proven that the last election was also manipulated? Dan Goldman has asked for an investigation. And Jasmine Crockett is shining a light on the hints of some "tabulation rigging".

And I keep saying - what can we do?

DENVERPOPS

(10,747 posts)
52. The truth is,
Sat Jan 25, 2025, 03:59 PM
Jan 25

that there is, that there little that can be done at this point with the RepubliCONS having advanced their game over and over again......

The time to do something was in 2000. AND, then again in 2004, And definitely in 2016.......and then in all of 2023 and 2024.....

The dems, for decades have been walking down the jungle path, swatting at mosquitoes, and were oblivious to the herd of charging elephants...........pun intended......

All of that time, and even still, the Dems are taking the "High Road", and not beginning even to recognize we are fighting a Guerrilla War and have been since 1980...........

dickthegrouch

(3,922 posts)
38. But WHY is the drivel so attractive to so many?
Sat Jan 25, 2025, 02:25 PM
Jan 25

What is it about the brain washing that makes people vote or act against self interest so many times?
Why don’t they have critical thinking skills?
Why is it so difficult for sane family members to challenge the lies?
We can’t always discern the truth, how can we possibly expect artificial intelligence to do so?
I just performed a google search and their AI driven response at the top of my results was largely inaccurate to my certain knowledge. I don’t know of a way to report that. But it makes even internet search results unreliable. “Do no evil” was Google’s motto. While they abandoned that a long time ago, their results are now IMHO utterly evil.

MineralMan

(148,454 posts)
12. You're going to keep doing what?
Sat Jan 25, 2025, 10:20 AM
Jan 25

Telling people the sky is falling? Well, we can all see that for ourselves.

My question is: What are YOU doing about it that might have some effect?

If you have any suggestions for what people on DU can do, share those. We already know that there are problems. Do you have any fresh ideas about how to help fix those problems?

DU is a discussion forum. We can discuss ways we might change things and undo some of the damage. We already know there has been and will be damage.

Here's my suggestion: Get busy communicating with state, local and national legislators. And not just the ones you agree with, either. Tell them what you want, and how you suggest they do what you want. Don't yell at them. Write plainly and clearly and include details of things they might actually be able to do to better the situation. Don't just do it once. Do it frequently. Be the polite, thoughtful squeaky wheel on a consistent basis.

DU is great for what it is. However, it doesn't really DO anything. That's up to us as individuals. Don't tell us things are bad. Tell us what you're doing to make them better.

/Rant

KPN

(16,364 posts)
28. With all due respect, I think he did make a suggestion -- a pretty good one really. From his OP:
Sat Jan 25, 2025, 12:50 PM
Jan 25

"Donate money to fighters, donate to the ACLU, Southern Poverty Law Center, AOC, Jasmine Crocket." That suggestion happens to be the exact conclusion I reached over the past week.

I want to see results that address a deep concern I have had for upwards of 40 years now -- the steady erosion of "middle class". Frankly, I'm not sure our party leadership has sufficiently shared that concern over that time-frame. That's important. Why? Well, I don't think we'd be in the sad shape we are in today had we done as good a job on the economic front as we did on social issues. We kind of turned our backs on the middle class, and that finally and fully reflected in votes this past November.

I gave way more than I ever had to the Democratic Party at every level in last year year's election. I'm sure many if not the majority of us did the same. It didn't work.

I like his suggestion.

Magoo48

(5,869 posts)
80. With respect, money won't fix it.
Sun Jan 26, 2025, 07:17 AM
Jan 26

What is needed is creative, consistent, massive direct action by grassroots organizations and individuals.
The question is, will first world people make the efforts and sacrifices needed to rescue their own freedoms. Up until now, and like with climate catastrophe, the answer is no. Let’s encourage each other to change our minds.

KPN

(16,364 posts)
82. Agreed. Great post. Not only won't money fix it, money is the problem,
Sun Jan 26, 2025, 09:58 AM
Jan 26

especially given Citizens United.

Re: “grassroots”, it’s going to take most of the roots so to speak. So your point about the need for massive direct action and your question about 1st world people’s will are both spot on.

I also love your suggestion: “lets encourage each other to change our minds” when it comes to willingness to sacrifice by engaging in massive direct action. We should all spread that encouragement.

So yeah — great post! Thanks!

Arazi

(7,495 posts)
50. It's only been 6 days since Traitor began his assault on our democracy
Sat Jan 25, 2025, 03:27 PM
Jan 25

Maybe cut some folks some slack if they haven’t gotten into full gear yet on where best to apply their time, $$ and resources 🙄

Many folks are in shock and processing info - it’s coming very very fast.

These attempts to scold and shame folks for reporting that their sky is falling also aren’t helpful.

DUers are doers. Most everyone is gearing up here. Again, cut folks some slack if they’re not as organized as you are SIX days into what’s going to be a long slog

Efilroft Sul

(3,849 posts)
13. After the election loss (and even before), the Democratic Party leaders should have prepared for this situation.
Sat Jan 25, 2025, 10:25 AM
Jan 25

Because it sure seems like they didn't.

Why didn't party leaders tell various congressional members, governors, union leaders, something like, "Okay, you, you, and you are war room organizers to combat this line of bullshit. You in this group are assigned to this other war room. And you six over here are responsible for improving our messaging across the board." So when the SHTF this week — LIKE WE ALL KNEW IT WOULD — the Democrats would've been ready to go with vigorous responses. You know, an actual resistance.

Pototan

(2,304 posts)
14. Before you blame the Democratic Party
Sat Jan 25, 2025, 10:37 AM
Jan 25

Please realize that the average American (not every American) is a fucking dope.

The dopes. The misinformed, uninformed voters incapable of critical thinking may not even be a majority, but they are certainly a plurality.

DENVERPOPS

(10,747 posts)
25. I have carefully watched
Sat Jan 25, 2025, 12:22 PM
Jan 25

the political landscape in the U.S. since HW & his CABAL, corruptly rigged the election of 1980.........and have been screaming my head off ever since, like many here on DU.............

In every Presidential election since, I have watched the average people. I could not believe the numbers of people who, one week before the election, would watch the TV commercials, and vote on what they viewed. They lived in their own personal little world, not watching, reading or studying all of he candidates and what they truly and historically represented the other three years, eleven months, and three weeks..........

As I have said countless times before, the Perfect Title for a book covering the past 45+ years would be:

WHILE THE NATION SLEPT

And,..........Here we are..................

homegirl

(1,635 posts)
33. I am always
Sat Jan 25, 2025, 01:06 PM
Jan 25

shocked at the ease at which too many Americans believe they are living in the Best, most Powerful Nation in the World. We don't even scrape into the Top Ten when it comes to Employment, Education, Benefits, Job Security, Feeding the hungry (constant TV ads to contribute to Food Banks), sheltering the homeless, Health care and Economic Fraud!

We believe what makes us feel good--not what is the truth...

dickthegrouch

(3,922 posts)
39. But we only change things when we are uncomfortable
Sat Jan 25, 2025, 02:31 PM
Jan 25

We need to show the idiots how uncomfortable they really are or will be.
Billboards and in-game messages are the way to engage the younger generations. Newspapers and TV are largely irrelevant in this country.

Attilatheblond

(5,058 posts)
49. We have been way behind in innovative, energy saving, disaster avoiding home construction tech for decades now
Sat Jan 25, 2025, 03:25 PM
Jan 25

But we allow shoddy, inefficient building because PROFITS for the entities greasing the palms of local officials who set/enforce building standards.

KPN

(16,364 posts)
29. Good point, and also why we should have done more over the past 40 plus years to ensure
Sat Jan 25, 2025, 12:51 PM
Jan 25

their economic security. Secure people are more often happy, rational, and open-minded people.

JohnnyRingo

(19,625 posts)
15. Keep in mind how many people he appointed were soon fired tin his 1st term.
Sat Jan 25, 2025, 10:43 AM
Jan 25

The list is lengthy because he hires the scummiest people he can find.
We made endless fun of his statement that he hires "only the best", then fired them for disloyalty, incompetence, or criminal behavior..

JohnnyRingo

(19,625 posts)
65. He fired a lot of people, that's true.
Sat Jan 25, 2025, 06:04 PM
Jan 25

But many were so corrupt or incompetent he couldn't ignore them. Michael Flynn and HHS Director Tom Price, the guy with the $50k desk with the cone of silence.

Jeff Sessions
Dan Coats
Oil Man Scott Pruitt from the EPA

The list is nearly endless. Now we're beginning a new list of boobs, traitors and criminals who will be long gone before the year ends. I doubt Hegseth lasts. He's a walking time bomb.

wnylib

(25,183 posts)
75. I'm not sure that this batch of appointees will get fired.
Sat Jan 25, 2025, 11:27 PM
Jan 25

He wants loyalty, not competence. He wants people who will do as he says. If they were competent professionals, they wouldn't.

Martin Eden

(13,804 posts)
17. Lawsuits have already been filed regarding birthright, and Dems are resisting ICE raids.
Sat Jan 25, 2025, 10:54 AM
Jan 25

More lawsuits will be filed as Hair Twitler breaks laws. Every Dem senator voted against the Hegseth nomination, and many are speaking out.

They have limited power to affect things legislatively.

The balance of power could change (if we still have legitimate elections in 2026) as leopards eat the faces of fools who voted for the leopards.

dchill

(41,253 posts)
18. "Did Donald Trump break US law...?"
Sat Jan 25, 2025, 10:59 AM
Jan 25

Why ask us? YOU'RE the media! Get an expert and then TELL US! Where's your collective spine?

NoMoreRepugs

(10,952 posts)
19. One simple plan might be to only support our young Democrats - the old guard
Sat Jan 25, 2025, 11:02 AM
Jan 25

have shown me nothing in how they plan on countering Trumpism. Another thought is to do some critical thinking about potential outcomes down the road a bit that can come about as a result of the INSANE actions currently being fostered on the country. Call me silly but I’m of the opinion we are going to have to fight to get our Democracy back.

wnylib

(25,183 posts)
53. Forceful fanatics can only be defeated by force.
Sat Jan 25, 2025, 04:02 PM
Jan 25

The force can be political, legal, financial, or physical.

But it has to be strong, persistent, focused, and unbending. Negotiations and compromise do not work with political fanatics. Nothing matters to them except their mission, whether that mission is themselves or a group of their pals.

Oopsie Daisy

(5,222 posts)
20. Ahhh... gotcha! The insinuation is (again) that "Democrats are just sitting on our hands doing nothing."
Sat Jan 25, 2025, 11:43 AM
Jan 25
What is the plan from Democrats? Who is organizing them to respond, to take action against the illegal actions of our King?

Donate money to fighters, donate to the ACLU, Southern Poverty Law Center, AOC, Jasmine Crocket.

Democratic Party, stop sending me texts to donate more money. Show me what you are doing first?


I understand that you're concerned. We all are. But I also understand that it's unreasonable to expect minute-by-minute updates posted on Instagram or other social media. In today's digital age, there is a prevailing trend where individuals seek fleeting validation through frequent and often superficial posts about their thoughts, activities, and experiences.

This constant stream of updates has conditioned people to anticipate and EXPECT instantaneous information, whether it originates from acquaintances, loved ones, public figures, or political entities. Then when the expected updates do not come as quickly (or as often) some will wrongly assume that something must be wrong. Or, worse yet, some will assume it means they don't care any more, or that they're literally doing nothing.

Sometimes I see these excessive updates and wonder to myself "don't they have anything BETTER or MORE PRODUCTIVE to do with their time??" --- And in the case of our stalwart and honorable Democrats who are NOT posting a continual stream of consciousness... it's clear to me that they DO INDEED have more productive things to do with their time. And for that, I am grateful.

Listen, I know that it can be frustrating for people who want and demand instant-gratification and nonstop information. Logically, that feeling will be made worse and people can be left feeling even more powerless simply because they aren't in-the-loop of what's going on. But I'd like to remind you that simply because we can't SEE what's going on, doesn't mean that NOTHING is transpiring behind the scenes and outside of the public view.

Everyone is, of course, entitled to advocate for donations to their preferred causes, groups, or political figures, I believe, however, as part of your efforts to encourage donations and support to specific causes/groups... I think it's important to avoid making sweeping negative and unjust insinuations, such as suggesting that the Democratic party is not doing anything or that the party aren't "fighters".

My support of the Democratic party isn't conditional or transactional. I encourage you and anyone who thinks as you to to keep the faith and to support our elected leaders.



PS: With regard to receiving texts and other donation requests from the Democratic Party... just unsubscribe. Or block the numbers being used to contact you.

dickthegrouch

(3,922 posts)
42. So task a few with collection of information and publishing where it counts
Sat Jan 25, 2025, 02:44 PM
Jan 25

And let the others work on solving the problems

Not everyone needs to react to everything IF there’s a reliable and well known source of facts. The M$M is no longer that. Google search is no longer that. Far too much disinformation and misinformation is being spread both by ignorant and malicious entities.
So-called AI will never be capable of fixing the problem when malicious people control the training and premises for highlighting the results.

Dems need to be seen as an impeccably reliable source. With the actual evidence linked for those who want more information. I know it’s a pain to put citations in everything but the single biggest failure of most repugs is backing up their lies with data because they don’t have any.

Oopsie Daisy

(5,222 posts)
45. Hi, Dick! Yes! That's certainly a better idea than automatically assuming the worst *
Sat Jan 25, 2025, 02:59 PM
Jan 25

* or perpetuating the denigrating lie of the "lazy do-nothing incompetent Democrats" ... or to encourage people to NOT donate to the party until they start sharing political updates with every photo of every meal throughout the day.

As you correctly noted, there is indeed a lot of disinformation that's harmful to Democrats (and, by extension, that benefits Trump, the GOP, and their Russian handlers/allies). You also hit the nail directly on the head when you characterized it as being spread by folks who are "ignorant and malicious."

That's why I think it's incumbent upon us all to NOT pile-on, or amplify the negativity that's already out there. While DU may be our safe little "bubble" it does not exist in a vacuum. It is not impervious to outside observers. Also, the things we say and write here are frequently the SAME THINGS we say to our friends, family, colleagues and neighbors out in the real world. (And one person repeats it to two more, who tell two more, and so on, and so on.)

We can help control the narrative too. I think that's definitely do-able.

choie

(5,078 posts)
60. But allegiance to a party should be conditional and transactional
Sat Jan 25, 2025, 04:49 PM
Jan 25

They're not a loved one, a family member or friend. They represent and work for us! If specific elected officials are not acting, if they're not standing up for democracy (and it's too early to say that) then they should not be supported. I'm not saying we should expect them to do everything we want, but I just don't get the blind allegiance thing.

Oopsie Daisy

(5,222 posts)
63. This sounds like the logic and justification people gave for voting for Stein.
Sat Jan 25, 2025, 05:30 PM
Jan 25

In a defacto two party system, only ONE of two parties (either the Democrat or the Republican) will win in a national race. Any vote or non-vote that does not directly benefit the Democrat is, in fact, something that benefits the GOP.

I find it deeply disturbing that anyone would characterize this common sense fact of life as "blind allegiance" or something to be avoided. It's just weird.

choie

(5,078 posts)
64. Yes, and we have choice as to which Democrats we vote for.
Sat Jan 25, 2025, 05:52 PM
Jan 25

You can find it disturbing all you want. Doesn't bother me a bit.

Oopsie Daisy

(5,222 posts)
66. That's not what you said, Choie!
Sat Jan 25, 2025, 06:32 PM
Jan 25
>> Yes, and we have choice as to which Democrats we vote for.
That's not what you said, Choie! In post #60, you clearly said that "allegiance to a party should be conditional and transactional."

>> choie (4,884 posts)
>> 60. But allegiance to a party should be conditional and transactional

You weren't talking about primaries. There's no ambiguity in what that post says. Finding ways to justify not voting for Democrats is disturbing and alarming.

>> You can find it disturbing all you want. Doesn't bother me a bit.
It's weird that anyone would defend, justify or promote the idea of not voting for Democrats. Why?

No, seriously... I really want to know why you think that. In what world would any rational person believe that it's okay to not vote for Democrats? I can't wrap my head around it. Please help me to understand where you're coming from.




choie

(5,078 posts)
69. You misunderstand me. Or perhaps I wasn't clear.
Sat Jan 25, 2025, 06:46 PM
Jan 25

I never said that we shouldn't vote for Democrats. What I thought I said - or what I meant, was that we have a right to force, yes even strong arm our elected officials to do the right thing. For example, when Chuck Schumer says that he's going to work on a bipartisan level, we need to push back firmly and let him know that we will not tolerate complicity nor collaboration with those who are out to destroy our democracy. If it takes letting him know that we won't vote for him again, that's what we need to do. If it takes protests against them, so be it. We have to make them understand that we're furious, and will not accept inaction.

SupportSanity

(1,258 posts)
73. My transactional donation to the democratic party. For instance,
Sat Jan 25, 2025, 08:56 PM
Jan 25

Let's say I donate $1000 to Andy Kim.
But now the contract states that if he votes for anything MAGA/TRUMP, I get my money back.
So after his vote to confirm Kristi Noem, I should be receiving a check for $1000.
Needs some fine tuning, but transactional support for someone that should be representing me, not Trump or MAGA.
I know he says that he can work with Noem, but...!!!!!!

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muriel_volestrangler

(103,003 posts)
22. Other recent disasters (you may have covered these in previous posts)
Sat Jan 25, 2025, 11:50 AM
Jan 25

Trump has halted loads of everyday spending at the National Institutes of Health - travel, that kind of thing. This is at a time when a novel bird flu is decimating poultry flocks (hello, egg prices!) and threatening to jump species to humans.

Trump has halted all non-military foreign aid, apart from to Egypt and Israel. This means he's stopped all humanitarian aid to Ukraine. Plus any that was going to Sudanese refugees (I have no idea how much that was, though). Plus other humanitarian crises.

Trump has halted all global HIV/AIDS aid. This was largely a Republican program - probably the best thing George W. Bush ever did.

These decisions will start killing people.

DENVERPOPS

(10,747 posts)
59. Hey Muriel
Sat Jan 25, 2025, 04:41 PM
Jan 25

"the best thing George W Bush ever did"?????????????????????????

Do you know the "back story" to why W did his program to pretend he was helping with AIDS?????????????

Okay,.......... AZT, developed by the U.S. Government, was given to a drug company to manufacture.......That drug company, as a condition of them manufacturing it, demanded the U.S. Government not allow anyone to sue them re AZT.
The Pharma people are always saying, the outrageous price of the drugs is because we have massive development costs, and massive liability costs................... In this case they had neither. Wow, a pharmaceutical company's wet dream come true........

Okay, they started manufacturing it, and releasing it at an outrageous selling price of six bucks a pill, with people needing to take 6-8 pills a day. Back then, 30 years ago, that was way, way, beyond a ludicrous amount of money.............

Years later, W is in office when that pharmaceutical company's "cash cow AZT" was going OFF patent, meaning anyone could manufacturer it, and sell it at a much lower price. The Chinese openly stated they were going to start manufacturing it, and sell it, at a profit, for 12 CENTS a pill.........

The W admin immediately announced they were going to give SIX BILLION Dollars to the AIDs effort, which everyone cheered! What the public didn't know, was that they were going to use the entire SIX BILLION to buy the AZT FROM THE ORIGINAL CORPORATION, at 6 dollars a pill, just before it went off patent....

Cute, huh.........

Felicita

(64 posts)
24. Please stop blaming the Democratic Party
Sat Jan 25, 2025, 12:07 PM
Jan 25

Blame the right wing oligarch media and dopes in this country who watch it and believe it. Things have gone critical and without a majority in either chamber or SC, it will be challenging to stop the avalanche, but I'm sure they are doing what they can right now. It is all happening so fast, it is hard for them to organize a solid plan instantly.
I have been to many local Democratic Party headquarters/ campaign sites over the years and the people are always motivated, intelligent and want to to the right thing. That is why I am a Democrat. I like your idea of donating to "the ACLU, Southern Poverty Law Center, AOC, Jasmine Crocket." if you possibly can, but I am going to donate to some Democratic organizations also-they need it now more than ever.

D. Spaulding

(140 posts)
26. The didn't waste anytime starting to implement Project 2025
Sat Jan 25, 2025, 12:43 PM
Jan 25

plans, even though they lied through their teeth pretending otherwise.
I just hope buyer's remorse sinks in quick for all those non MAGA who put him over the top.

KPN

(16,364 posts)
31. I agree. Despite consistently texting STOP in response, I keep getting texts asking me to send money --
Sat Jan 25, 2025, 12:59 PM
Jan 25

Now! I contributed vastly more in 2020 than I ever had in past election years. I suspect many, if not most active Democrats did as well. My spigot isn't dry, but I came to the same conclusion you did. I am going to contribute only to organizations and individuals that I feel are or will get results -- especially at leveling the economic playing field.

Dark n Stormy Knight

(10,159 posts)
78. My husband & I and my mother, seperately, sure did donate more
Sun Jan 26, 2025, 01:23 AM
Jan 26

than ever and more than was comfortable. We've recent had one failure of major appliance after another, medical bills, etc. I donated to Indivisible yesterday. That will be one of the few money-begging emails we can handle right now. Blocked a lot.

Kablooie

(18,834 posts)
40. If I felt that something serious was being done I'd donate.
Sat Jan 25, 2025, 02:34 PM
Jan 25

But to donate to organization that just have a philosophy i agree with is money down the drain.
I will only donate to help concrete actions, of which there seems to be none.

LeftInTX

(32,235 posts)
41. People voted for this shit. People who stayed at home also voted for it.
Sat Jan 25, 2025, 02:38 PM
Jan 25

People who supported Jill Stein also voted for it.

I didn't vote for it!!!

Attilatheblond

(5,058 posts)
47. TCF fired the people who have actually been doing the things Elon claims his imaginary DOGE will do.
Sat Jan 25, 2025, 03:16 PM
Jan 25

Trump just took the actual job out of the hands of the people who were doing the actual job so his billionaire sponsor can get in there to do things for his own benefit.

Baron2024

(1,123 posts)
54. Not A King But A Dictator
Sat Jan 25, 2025, 04:04 PM
Jan 25

I have heard some refer to Trump as a King. Please do not call Trump a King; call him a Dictator. A King may be an Autocrat but a King is at least supposed to be noble. Trump has no nobility. He is a crass and ignoble monster. Call him what he is (or what he intends to be)-- a Dictator.

GoYouPackersGo

(194 posts)
72. Would have been contrary to norms, have to respect precedent,
Sat Jan 25, 2025, 08:40 PM
Jan 25

Blah blah blah fucking blah.

Too many Democratic Party leaders who can't or won't punch back.

Jack Valentino

(1,629 posts)
74. Just because Trump says it is so, does not MAKE it so.
Sat Jan 25, 2025, 10:18 PM
Jan 25

Last report I saw, said they AREN'T leaving. Litigation will certainly follow.

Initech

(103,526 posts)
77. I personally will never stop fighting for what's right.
Sun Jan 26, 2025, 01:22 AM
Jan 26

Trump is wrong.

Pete Hegseth is wrong. Kristi Noem is wrong. Kash Patel is wrong. Elon Musk is wrong. Mark Zuckerberg is wrong. Jeff Bezos is wrong.

Fox News is wrong. Newsmax and OAN are wrong.

The Christian right is wrong.

The Heritage Foundation and Federalist Society are wrong.

Infowars, Facebook, and Twitter/X are wrong.

It's easy to give up hope right now, but I refuse to give in and accept what these assholes are doing to my country and the world.

themaguffin

(4,350 posts)
81. Yes, WE CAN ALL SEE THAT. MAYBE IF WE SCREAM IT MORE TO EACH OTHER IT WILL STOP TRUMP
Sun Jan 26, 2025, 07:27 AM
Jan 26

ffs,

We all know what's going on.

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