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Presidential historian Alexis Coe has predicted a perilous four years for the Trump administration, as well as the GOP as a whole.
In an op-ed for MSNBC, Coe said former President Grover Cleveland’s second term – which she described as “a tragedy in four years” – should serve as a “cautionary tale” for Donald Trump.
“In 1892, Cleveland, like Trump in 2024, was resurrected by unwavering party loyalty despite losing the previous election,” Coe wrote. “Both men, separated by time but united in their disdain for the ‘establishment,’ demanded fealty with the fervor of medieval kings suffering from lead poisoning.”
But both leaders, she explained, proved to be incapable of handling national crises.
“For Cleveland, a Democrat, it was the Panic of 1893, a severe economic depression triggered by railroad overbuilding and shaky financing, which set off a series of bank failures. Within months, unemployment skyrocketed to nearly 20%, over 15,000 companies and 500 banks failed, and farmers in the South and Midwest faced ruin as crop prices plummeted.”
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/presidential-historian-foresees-disastrous-end-for-donald-trump/ar-AA1xQIZ7?ocid=msedgntp&pc=NMTS&cvid=e2b6c4bd195e420b83dd0693ee9462b1&ei=23
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greatauntoftriplets
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wish it'd happen faster than four years.
William769
(56,708 posts)But I keep getting told patience is a virtue. They don't know me very well.
niyad
(122,086 posts)Response to niyad (Reply #19)
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niyad
(122,086 posts)LymphocyteLover
(7,291 posts)niyad
(122,086 posts)niyad
(122,086 posts)mobeau69
(11,820 posts)greatauntoftriplets
(177,226 posts)I hadn't been awake very long then. I'll correct.
louis-t
(23,956 posts)I think the repug party will suffer the same fate as in the McCarthy era - 40 years in the minority. Unfortunately, this country will have to go through some things before that happens.
Historic NY
(38,434 posts)he is already beyond his spoilage and soilage dates
William769
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Greybnk48
(10,471 posts)No evidence. Just a feeling.
I also fully believe we will gain back both the House and the Senate in 26.
BonnieJW
(2,716 posts)Wicked Blue
(7,450 posts)homegirl
(1,635 posts)will support impeachment and trial of Donald in two years. Vance moves into Oval Office and is eligible to run for two terms!
Though Trump is wily enough to dump Musk within six months, after squeezing another $250 million out of him!
Aristus
(69,075 posts)I was wrong. I can't imagine what is keeping that lard-riddled heart going. Trump still being alive at this point is likely a testament to the power of the kind of mulish stubbornness that comes with near-total ignorance.
Dem4life1234
(2,426 posts)The man is hideously obese, tall (usually tall men don't live that long) AND has a terrible diet and doesn't exercise. He looks terrible.
What the fuck keeps him going? I'm convinced these evil people seem to live too long, it's as if the Devil wants to keep them playing games on Earth.
MFM008
(20,035 posts)Like adderall.
Dem4life1234
(2,426 posts)And yet his black heart keeps ticking.
Callie1979
(535 posts)LonePirate
(14,003 posts)Dem4life1234
(2,426 posts)He is damn near 80, but still, taking too long..
sop
(12,507 posts)BonnieJW
(2,716 posts)I think that was the plan all along. Trump was merely the tool to get into the Whitehouse. Vance is the one they've been grooming.
liberalgunwilltravel
(657 posts)But no following. I have no doubt the oligarchs would/will try to use him, but I don’t see him being the e least bit effective.
moondust
(20,703 posts)February 2024: Trump Ranks Dead Last (Again) in Poll of Presidential Greatness
"Disastrous" is apparently what voters wanted.
Ocelot II
(122,874 posts)I only hope he doesn't drag the whole country down with him.
William769
(56,708 posts)Texin
(2,692 posts)Mike 03
(18,099 posts)Very interest. Apt parallels.
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madaboutharry
(41,614 posts)Hopefully, the curtain on the play we are now watch closes sooner than later. Maybe he will demonstrate such a degree of insanity that his own loyalists will have no choice but to abandon him. 🤞
Dem4life1234
(2,426 posts)Needs to hurry up, I've never seen a president move so fast with the amount of damage he is doing. This can't last four years.
muriel_volestrangler
(103,003 posts)They don't predict how rich he'll make himself in the 4 years. That's how he'll measure "disaster" for himself - unless someone arrests him, but the current Supreme Court has given him a Get Out Of Jail Free card, so that seems unlikely.
Dark n Stormy Knight
(10,159 posts)continue to green light whatever he wants to do, no matter how heinous.
Turbineguy
(38,726 posts)Orrex
(64,664 posts)I want his agony to terrify cartel torturers for decades to come.
ITAL
(962 posts)I think she's being a bit unfair the Cleveland for comparing him to Trump. He wasn't anything like Trump temperamentally.
pfitz59
(11,296 posts)will bite him as the bureaucracy slaps back. Folks will not allow their lives to be disrupted without a fight. Lawsuits and pushback are coming. The greatest worry will be a 'Reichstag Fire' type event. The opposition may be rocked by the flurry of 'Executive Orders', but it won't last. Too much is at risk.
chicoescuela
(1,839 posts)Hitler I think.
Would love you see tsf and Melanie hanging upside down from a lamppost.
BonnieJW
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chicoescuela
(1,839 posts)Nasruddin
(950 posts)Because a lot of people (and camels) will be harmed, perhaps even me!
I fear it though - we have seen what he is like in a crisis.
The best we can hope for is that he is somehow neutralized or perhaps ejected off the stage, in some peaceful manner.
Emile
(32,349 posts)near future.
LudwigPastorius
(11,597 posts)After Trump uses real dollars to establish a "crypto reserve", and loosens regulations so the banks start piling capital into the phunny munny, it is inevitable.
Strelnikov_
(7,894 posts)Between crypto, dropping of the post 08 regulations, and no FDIC as cherry on top, a depression level crash appears very likely.
kellytore
(217 posts)the fact that TSF is a cult leader and most of his followers would die for him. I'm not so sure if Cleveland had the same following.
dem4decades
(12,283 posts)yardwork
(65,420 posts)SpankMe
(3,368 posts)Trump has four things that Cleveland didn't have -
1. Control of the most widespread communications network in history, in the form of the fealty of Elon Musk (X), Mark Zuckerberg (Meta-Facebook-Instagram) and Jeff Bezos (Amazon Web Services that can host the prior two).
2. Unconditional support of just over a third of the voting American electorate with another third or so committed to non-voting due to apathy, ignorance and complete indifference.
3. Total control of a law enforcement entity (DOJ/FBI) and military (DOD) that didn't exist in any full-formed way in Cleveland's era.
4. An installed base of corrupt judges who will do his bidding at every turn.
Getting Trump to "not end well" with an American public as stupid and indifferent as they are is a tall order.
I'm losing hope. This week has been a disaster. I didn't think this much damage to our federal institutions and infrastructure was possible. The parallel to the rise of the Nazi's is stunning, and we can't even talk about it on social media without being censored.
I see a strong possibility of violence entering the conversation before this term is up. I'm shaken to my core.
Martin68
(24,938 posts)1. The communication network is run by competing egos with conflicting agendas. It is a rats nest of crossed wires and a bottomless pit of lies, deceit and misinformation. That's not a strength when it comes to communication. It just causes confusion.
2. I don't believe Trump has unconditional support from more than maybe 15% of the electorate. The rest will dump him like a hot potato when the economic pain hits. And secure economic pain is inevitable if Trump carries out his promises, particularly in the heartland that believed his lies.
3. Theoretically the president has a good deal of authority over law enforcement entity (DOJ/FBI) and military (DOD), but it is not anywhere near "total." The military, in particular, is very resistant to the whims of a fool. It is filled with people who have devoted their lives to defending the US, and if Trump does anything to put the country in danger, and you can be sure he will, they will balk.
4. Yes, corrupt judges appointed by Trump have already caused a great deal of damage, but Obama and Biden appointed many judges who will stick to the rule of law. SCOTUS is conservative, but they have a majority that will draw the line at Patently unconstitutional presidential decrees. Some of them already have.
The Roux Comes First
(1,617 posts)Probably appear as features to this pathetic specimen, who delights in chaos and has never overdosed on attention yet. Sort of like the worst-parented kindergartner you have ever encountered.
Martin68
(24,938 posts)agenda. Their agenda is so self-contradictory that it is bound to fail. That is not to say people won't suffer while they flail about in their cesspool of conflicting ideologies, goals, and just plain greed.
Deep State Witch
(11,604 posts)And the FDIC won't be around to help people recoup their savings.
patphil
(7,375 posts)He's now dedicated to destroying our nation out of spite. I see revenge and retribution as his purpose now.
The sad part is that he couldn't do this without the help of Congress and the Courts, and he has that help.
That plus the Broligarchs; men like Zukerberg, Besos, and Musk, whose unbridled greed has been given free reign across the US.
I agree that this should do great harm to the Republican Party, but maybe not. There is a possibility that the rule of law, the Constitution, may be as George W Bush once said, "nothing more than a piece of paper".
They want to see a new set of laws, ones that apply to everyone but them; laws that can be broken and reformed by them as it suits their need.
When I see 90 million adult American citizens not voting, I see a diminished future for all of us.
When I see many millions of people letting themselves be lead around by propaganda and lies; voting against their own best interests, I see a a diminished future for all of us.
This is why the anti-woke movement was pushed so hard by the Republicans. The less awake a person is, the easier it is to have them fall under the spell of propaganda and lies.
It will take all the strength and determination the people of the United States can muster to stop this, and put our country back on the true path of law.
We have 4 years to do this.
Mysterian
(5,288 posts)No comparison to the era of Grover Cleveland. We're dealing with a cult of zombies that would see their Dear Leader take the nation to ruins and blame it on liberals.
NameAlreadyTaken
(1,911 posts)Except apparently Ivanka.
ananda
(31,214 posts)I guess some are a little late to the party.
Cirsium
(1,704 posts)Grover Cleveland was like Trump?
As mayor of Buffalo in 1881 and governor of New York in 1882, he closely cooperated with state assembly minority leader Theodore Roosevelt to pass reform measures.
He was opposed to tariffs.
He won praise for honesty, self-reliance, integrity, and commitment to the principles of classical liberalism.
He signed the Interstate Commerce Act of 1887 which made the railroad industry the first industry subject to federal regulation by a regulatory body.
He opposed the push to annex Hawaii, launched an investigation into the 1893 coup against Queen Liliʻuokalani, and called for her to be restored.
After leaving the White House, Cleveland served as a trustee of Princeton University and continued to voice his political views. Cleveland joined the American Anti-Imperialist League in protest of the 1898 Spanish-American War.
Cleveland was not a great president by any meas, and his support for the Dawes Act and suppression of the Pullman strike were egregious. But the comparison to Trump strikes me as an historian looking for ways to advance themselves as a popular media figure similar to the ridiculous "Team of Rivals" comparisons between Obama and Lincoln made by Doris Kearns Goodwin.
alarimer
(16,807 posts)I don't give a shit about history; I care about stopping him NOW.
He's still getting rich and his cronies are still getting rich off him and they will all get away with it and keep their ill-gotten gains, so spare me the "history will not be kind" nonsense.
Dem4life1234
(2,426 posts)edhopper
(35,373 posts)Just asking
Beartracks
(13,678 posts)anamnua
(1,386 posts)than Prof. Alan Lichtman.
Wounded Bear
(61,248 posts)I hope so, but repub ratfucking will continue apace.
IzzaNuDay
(851 posts)If anything, if the dotard doesn’t pay up, could lead to disastrous results.
GoodRaisin
(9,849 posts)And soon too!
ArnoldLayne
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