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I predict the military will remove Trump. (Original Post) orangecrush Jan 25 OP
I don't see a military coup sakabatou Jan 25 #1
No way n/t SickOfTheOnePct Jan 25 #2
You understand they start removing blue Generals next week JCMach1 Jan 25 #3
And therein lies part of the problem SickOfTheOnePct Jan 25 #4
Note by blue I mean anyone slightly associated with Biden,.or Obama JCMach1 Jan 25 #6
There will be loyalty oaths Diraven Jan 25 #66
Can't sack the whole officer corps orangecrush Jan 25 #77
That's why orangecrush Jan 25 #5
That's an extremely terrifying proposition... EarthFirst Jan 25 #7
We do not want a red or blue military junta. magicarpet Jan 25 #56
Doubtful but who knows? We're living in crazy times so anything can happen. Dave Bowman Jan 25 #8
I hope so. milestogo Jan 25 #9
GOP will let him be assassinated. JD Vance can take over implementing Project 2025 Jarqui Jan 25 #10
T has been talking a lot about assassination lately. Hope22 Jan 25 #30
Since they have no qualms killing innocents to create a head injury for Trump, I predict AF 1 going down in the Atlantic LiberalArkie Jan 25 #65
Living happily ever after with Epstein and the Enron joker. Nt Hope22 Jan 25 #72
The Butler Assassination Attempt Baron2024 Jan 25 #81
Don't forget the Divine healing of Trump. LiberalArkie Jan 26 #84
It has to come from within. WinstonSmith4740 Jan 25 #45
I've been predicting he'll get 25th amendmented if things get too crazy. Initech Jan 25 #71
That was my thought orangecrush Jan 25 #78
Don't count on it. TomSlick Jan 25 #11
Thankfully n/t SickOfTheOnePct Jan 25 #12
There are scenarios where that 'thankfully' would likely be misplaced. Celerity Jan 25 #15
Misplaced in your mind oerhaps SickOfTheOnePct Jan 25 #22
So you would be fine with a literal complete dictatorship, one that has zero qualms about using military force to crush Celerity Jan 25 #23
That's never going to happen SickOfTheOnePct Jan 25 #24
Ok orangecrush Jan 25 #31
You (nor does anyone else) have no idea what is going to happen and what is not going to happen, at this point. Celerity Jan 25 #32
You're certainly SickOfTheOnePct Jan 25 #33
as are you Celerity Jan 25 #35
It would be entirely possible orangecrush Jan 25 #37
I was only arguing that there are situations where that might be desirable. Unfortunately I don't see that removal Celerity Jan 25 #42
Foreign assassins are also not out of the realm of possibility jmbar2 Jan 25 #53
That would not stop the dictatorship (the one in my example). In fact it might hyper-charge it, as all the main players Celerity Jan 25 #58
The Butler Assassination Attempt Baron2024 Jan 25 #80
Would they "deport" him orangecrush Jan 25 #43
Ok orangecrush Jan 25 #18
If their force too I bet they would standingtall Jan 25 #20
I suppose orangecrush Jan 25 #28
Revolutions are fought by those whose bones are easily counted.. BattleRow Jan 25 #63
Military is at least 50% trumpsters. Another 30% will likely follow orders, no matter what. Silent Type Jan 25 #13
I don't see a scenario where this could happen now that so many 'loyal to the Constitution' types are going to be purged Celerity Jan 25 #14
hopefully RJ-MacReady Jan 25 #16
Not with hegseth in place liberal N proud Jan 25 #17
He would be what triggers it orangecrush Jan 25 #19
Hegseth is a real life Neidermayer from Animal House. Initech Jan 25 #69
I'll not be holding my breath on that one. Nt Maru Kitteh Jan 25 #21
Not even orangecrush Jan 25 #27
Correct. Pax Romana is over. We have met the Barbarians Maru Kitteh Jan 25 #44
not a chance. WarGamer Jan 25 #25
Ok orangecrush Jan 25 #26
No they won't JI7 Jan 25 #29
Of course not orangecrush Jan 25 #39
Utter nonsense. RockRaven Jan 25 #34
Yep orangecrush Jan 25 #38
I don't see it. KentuckyWoman Jan 25 #36
Time will tell. orangecrush Jan 25 #40
"...the military will remove Trump." J_William_Ryan Jan 25 #41
I thought the same thing today - in desperation, I think. Joinfortmill Jan 25 #46
Message auto-removed Name removed Jan 25 #47
A Counter Operation Baron2024 Jan 25 #48
This scenario is as likely as any in the chaotic context we find ourselves in. Very fluid. n/t slumcamper Jan 25 #49
I'll take that bet. ForgedCrank Jan 25 #50
Nope Xipe Totec Jan 25 #51
Recommended. H2O Man Jan 25 #52
I'll take "Things That Will Never Happen" for $2000. Ace Rothstein Jan 25 #54
Never happen. orangecrush Jan 25 #75
As of today a RWRE is in chage of the military Nigrum Cattus Jan 25 #55
Blue State Alliance Baron2024 Jan 25 #57
If the military stays true to the constitution... sanduca Jan 25 #59
Praetorian Guard? surfered Jan 25 #60
Anyone here ever seen the film,"Seven Days in May"? BattleRow Jan 25 #61
I don't anticipate a military coup but .... Shoonra Jan 25 #62
In the 1970s.... sanduca Jan 25 #64
The US Military does not have to follow the POTUS's unlawful orders Miami Blue Jan 25 #67
Yeah military coups are *NEVER* a good thing. Initech Jan 25 #68
Probably not, but I would not want to take any trips on Air Farce One either. mackdaddy Jan 25 #70
Yep. Just like they did last time. n/t Ms. Toad Jan 25 #73
More likely, his own cardiovascular system will remove him. GoCubsGo Jan 25 #74
I've been praying for that ... n/t LSparkle Jan 25 #76
I wish Rebl2 Jan 25 #79
On Hegseth's orders? Martin Eden Jan 26 #82
I'm betting on Vance and Theil Buzz cook Jan 26 #83
Former military here DetroitLegalBeagle Jan 26 #85
Der Fuhrer's officer corps orangecrush Jan 26 #91
LOL Patton French Jan 26 #86
Nope not going to happen. The military will defer to him and Eloony Autumn Jan 26 #87
I predict that he will start removing Generals very soon... kentuck Jan 26 #88
He is behaving worse than his first term Dem4life1234 Jan 26 #89
When Hegseth order them to shoot civilians the_liberal_grandpa Jan 26 #90
It may be someone else's military, since TSF seems to be going out of his way to piss foreign leaders off. milestogo Jan 26 #92

SickOfTheOnePct

(7,641 posts)
4. And therein lies part of the problem
Sat Jan 25, 2025, 04:44 PM
Jan 25

There shouldn't be blue generals or red generals - there should be generals who are committed to the Constitution and to their duties.

JCMach1

(28,321 posts)
6. Note by blue I mean anyone slightly associated with Biden,.or Obama
Sat Jan 25, 2025, 04:46 PM
Jan 25

Or who maintains neutrality in the face of requested absolute loyalty to Trump.

EarthFirst

(3,397 posts)
7. That's an extremely terrifying proposition...
Sat Jan 25, 2025, 04:47 PM
Jan 25

…which has an extremely sensitive timeframe to complete with Hegseth’s confirmation last night.

Again; terrifying that we’re even discussing the proposition.

magicarpet

(17,579 posts)
56. We do not want a red or blue military junta.
Sat Jan 25, 2025, 07:11 PM
Jan 25

A bipartisan government and a bipartisan military under civilian command is what we want.

We do not want a Banana Republic headed by Generalissimo trDUMP and his ass kissing sycophants.

This is why trDUMP is so dangerous. He wants to break down all the rules and norms to make the government function to best suit his purposes only. Fuck everybody else. Fuck the US Constitution.

Jarqui

(10,558 posts)
10. GOP will let him be assassinated. JD Vance can take over implementing Project 2025
Sat Jan 25, 2025, 04:53 PM
Jan 25

Trump didn't get elected by himself.
He would not be President if the GOP did not want him to be.
They enabled Trump.
When they think the time is right, they'll take him out and say to JD Vance "Let that be a lesson for you!"

Hope22

(3,499 posts)
30. T has been talking a lot about assassination lately.
Sat Jan 25, 2025, 06:04 PM
Jan 25

Threatening Releasing the reports from past killings. I’m not sure why he keeps bringing it up. I think he may plan a disappearing act of some kind. Who knows.

LiberalArkie

(17,279 posts)
65. Since they have no qualms killing innocents to create a head injury for Trump, I predict AF 1 going down in the Atlantic
Sat Jan 25, 2025, 07:41 PM
Jan 25

with all lost. And who knows if Trump was on it.

Baron2024

(1,123 posts)
81. The Butler Assassination Attempt
Sat Jan 25, 2025, 09:12 PM
Jan 25

I still wonder about the Butler PA assassination attempt. Why would a right winger try to kill Trump? My guess is that he thought it might trigger a new Civil War, where he presumably thought the right wing forces would prevail. So that is just a guess. Who knows what motivated the shooter? Now such a Civil War seems possible. Hopefully it can be avoided somehow.

WinstonSmith4740

(3,223 posts)
45. It has to come from within.
Sat Jan 25, 2025, 06:38 PM
Jan 25

My guess is the intelligence community. Those are the folks who can make it look like a heart attack.

Initech

(103,524 posts)
71. I've been predicting he'll get 25th amendmented if things get too crazy.
Sat Jan 25, 2025, 08:02 PM
Jan 25

And that might be sooner than later. Trump is just a figurehead for authoritarians to gain and keep power. They will cast him aside when no longer needed.

Celerity

(47,845 posts)
15. There are scenarios where that 'thankfully' would likely be misplaced.
Sat Jan 25, 2025, 05:26 PM
Jan 25

Just one example:

SCOTUS affirms 'foetal personhood' nationwide, thus banning almost all (or even ALL) abortions in all 50 States plus DC, etc.

Multiple Blue States refuse to comply.

Trump sends in US troops, and authorises kinetic force to bring the Blue States to heel. The Blue States resist with their own kinetic force. Thousands (tens of thousands perhaps) die, and multiple secessionist movements surge to life nationwide.

OR

IF Trump does not send in US troops, IF he refuses to force compliance, the the Red States will very likely start ignoring the federal laws THEY disagree with, possible with deadly consequences for thousands of Red State citizens.

Either way, chaos ensues, and a runaway Supreme Court could likely make other (as they have now crossed the Rubicon) insane decisions.

Celerity

(47,845 posts)
23. So you would be fine with a literal complete dictatorship, one that has zero qualms about using military force to crush
Sat Jan 25, 2025, 05:57 PM
Jan 25

any and all states and/or other entities (or a myriad of individuals) that refuse to submit to said dictatorship on anything that said dictatorship demands and/or does?

Are there no red lines for you?

There ARE situations, unfortunately, that only a military coup d'état can put paid to, once the end of string of Constitutional laws and regualr order is reached. At that point, only extra-Constitutional actions can save the day.

Celerity

(47,845 posts)
32. You (nor does anyone else) have no idea what is going to happen and what is not going to happen, at this point.
Sat Jan 25, 2025, 06:05 PM
Jan 25

My example (one of so many I could give) is well within the realm of the possible (if not the probable) now.

Celerity

(47,845 posts)
42. I was only arguing that there are situations where that might be desirable. Unfortunately I don't see that removal
Sat Jan 25, 2025, 06:16 PM
Jan 25

happening atm, especially given the coming purges.

Celerity

(47,845 posts)
58. That would not stop the dictatorship (the one in my example). In fact it might hyper-charge it, as all the main players
Sat Jan 25, 2025, 07:16 PM
Jan 25

other than Trump would still be in place, still be in power (and now they would have a 'martyr' to deify and use as a reason for all-out head-cracking, round-ups, and other ultra-authoritarian nastiness and skulduggery).

Baron2024

(1,123 posts)
80. The Butler Assassination Attempt
Sat Jan 25, 2025, 09:10 PM
Jan 25

I still wonder about the Butler PA assassination attempt. Why would a right winger try to kill Trump? My guess is that he thought it might trigger a new Civil War, where he presumably thought the right wing forces would prevail. So that is just a guess. Who knows what motivated the shooter? Now such a Civil War seems possible. Hopefully it can be avoided somehow.

standingtall

(3,033 posts)
20. If their force too I bet they would
Sat Jan 25, 2025, 05:44 PM
Jan 25

A scenario like the Arab spring that happened in Egypt would leave them no choice or a choice between remove Trump or kill over a million Americans, but that will not happen here, because I don't think Americans today have the backbone for it.

Celerity

(47,845 posts)
14. I don't see a scenario where this could happen now that so many 'loyal to the Constitution' types are going to be purged
Sat Jan 25, 2025, 05:07 PM
Jan 25

The US is rocketing into Gilead territory.

KentuckyWoman

(6,940 posts)
36. I don't see it.
Sat Jan 25, 2025, 06:09 PM
Jan 25

They've spent years refusing to fill vacancies at the Pentagon for the sole purpose of packing military leadership with Trump supporters. I really want to be wrong, but I don't see any pushback from the military coming to save us.

Trump is beating the war drums in earnest. He either actually wants to invade Canada and Greenland for the natural resources, or else he wants the world to think he will. Military contractors are going to be awash in taxpayer money.

Like I said, I really want to be wrong.

Response to orangecrush (Original post)

Baron2024

(1,123 posts)
48. A Counter Operation
Sat Jan 25, 2025, 06:58 PM
Jan 25

If Trump continues to act illegally and violates the Constitution, we may have a legal and moral right to remove him. He would be a Dictator not a President. Our main hope for a Counter Operation is that there are a significant number of soldiers and law enforcement that are loyal to the Constitution and not to the Dictator Trump. We have a right to self defense and to defend the Constitution.

Also Blue State Governors and Mayor's may order State Police and Local Cops to resist. They also command their States National Guard. We have like what, at least 20 states under Democratic control? That is not nothing, especially if we can get a large resistance against the Dictator Trump within in the federal military and law enforcement. Which really should be the main plan.

That should be the basic plan. I tried to post this idea for a counter operation idea last year before Trump got elected but was mocked and called unrealistic. Well reality is here. We should have acted sooner but there still might be time to stop them.

H2O Man

(76,156 posts)
52. Recommended.
Sat Jan 25, 2025, 07:02 PM
Jan 25

As a general rule, when a decaying empire has had an authoritarian take the reins of power, it is a matter of time until a military coup. It usually isn't led by a top general -- that is more common in non-empires falling apart -- but by a younger general.

It can happen here, of course. But we still have a period of time for citizens to take steps that encourage elected officials at the state and federal level to take bold actions. It will be one of these two options.

Baron2024

(1,123 posts)
57. Blue State Alliance
Sat Jan 25, 2025, 07:14 PM
Jan 25

One way to Resist-

Since Trump seems hell bent on destroying the Federal Government, I believe that State Governments should step in to protect our citizens. I have proposed what I called a Blue State Alliance. After the Federal Government, the biggest Government in the Country is the California State Government. A close second is the New York State Government. Both are controlled by Democratic Governors and both their Legislatures are completely controlled by Democrats. This is important. An Alliance between the Blue States could be formidable and could compensate us for the cuts that Trump is making to the Federal Government.

The following States have Democratic Governors- Arizona, California. Colorado, Connecticut, Delaware, Hawaii, Illinois, Kansas, Kentucky, Maine, Maryland, Massachusetts, Michigan, Minnesota, New Jersey, New Mexico, New York, North Carolina, Oregon, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, Washington, and Wisconsin. Add to that all of the major cities that have Blue Mayors and you are dealing with a lot of potential power.

A Blue State Alliance could almost be an inter-state treaty organization where these states pledge to assist one another to provide for the rights, security, health, prosperity, and well-being of their citizens. We might even be able to convene some sort of Convention to hash out the Alliance, sort of like the Constitutional Convention of 1787. We might be able to develop a new form of Democratic Government.

sanduca

(94 posts)
59. If the military stays true to the constitution...
Sat Jan 25, 2025, 07:26 PM
Jan 25

They will have to remove trumputin.
Hopefully they love America enough.
Hopefully they understand the constitution.

Shoonra

(580 posts)
62. I don't anticipate a military coup but ....
Sat Jan 25, 2025, 07:35 PM
Jan 25

I am willing to bet that J.D. Vance is busy studying the 25th Amendment, on how to replace an incompetent President.

By the way, about Trump's blanket pardon for approx sixteen hundred January 6th rioters; keep in mind that, in a bunch that large, there's bound to be some seriously warped individuals. If/When one of the sixteen hundred commits some heinous act, Trump will have acquired his very own Willy Horton.

sanduca

(94 posts)
64. In the 1970s....
Sat Jan 25, 2025, 07:39 PM
Jan 25

Ecuador had a president that the government considered insane. The military took over the government, the president was exiled to Argentina.
Three branches of the military represented the government.
They actually did good and they governed till the next election came.
Google it to learn more. Some military coups are good and necessary.

Miami Blue

(222 posts)
67. The US Military does not have to follow the POTUS's unlawful orders
Sat Jan 25, 2025, 07:53 PM
Jan 25
https://www.lawfaremedia.org/article/norm-defying-military-disobedience-in-a-norm-defying-presidency--what-role-does-the-ucmj-play

Note:
Even though the POTUS is the Commander in Chief of the armed forces. According to the US Constitution, he is still considered a civilian
leader in control of the US Military and not a military officer.

And that's that!
SAD

GoCubsGo

(33,432 posts)
74. More likely, his own cardiovascular system will remove him.
Sat Jan 25, 2025, 08:29 PM
Jan 25

Or, whatever pills he's crushing and snorting these days...

Rebl2

(15,541 posts)
79. I wish
Sat Jan 25, 2025, 08:57 PM
Jan 25

Maybe if it starts affecting military families and extended family they will get fed up and toss him out, but doubtful.

DetroitLegalBeagle

(2,271 posts)
85. Former military here
Sun Jan 26, 2025, 10:25 AM
Jan 26

That's never going to happen. The number of people willing to cross that line in the military is vastly outnumbered by those who won't. No general is going to be able to cobble together enough manpower to pull it off. The rightward lean in the military is the highest among senior enlisted and junior officers. NCO's are the backbone of the US military and they lean heavily right. Combat MOS's also lean heavily right. Neither are just going to go along with a military coup. Your chances of pulling off a coup with a bunch of geriatric flag officers and personnel mainly from non-combat units is pretty slim.

kentuck

(113,195 posts)
88. I predict that he will start removing Generals very soon...
Sun Jan 26, 2025, 10:30 AM
Jan 26

So that he will have complete control over a friendly military.

That is necessary for him to have the complete power he is seeking.

milestogo

(19,310 posts)
92. It may be someone else's military, since TSF seems to be going out of his way to piss foreign leaders off.
Sun Jan 26, 2025, 12:06 PM
Jan 26

Every time he opens his mouth, I cringe.

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