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Swede

(35,928 posts)
Mon Mar 24, 2025, 09:26 AM Mar 24

Sergey Samoilenko post on Trump is making the rounds.

July 1987, Moscow, USSR.
41-year-old Donald Trump arrives in Moscow with his wife, Czech model Ivana Zelnichkova, at the invitation of the Soviet Ambassador to the United States (!!! ) Yuri Dubinina. The invitation was approved by the politicalburo of the ck kprs.
Trump, who is in a financial crisis - his assets are plummeting rapidly and the debt is rising - reflects on his condition in a famous joke:
-- "See that beggar in the hat on 5th Avenue?" "- he tells his companion, who just gave a diamond necklace.
"That man is 1.5 billion dollars richer than me! "
"But he's got nothing!" "
"He has nothing, but I have 1.5 billion in debt!" "
Returning from Moscow, bankrupt Trump unexpectedly receives a loan from a consortium of 16 banks and buys a Plaza Hotel in New York. Soon, it will get another loan from a consortium of 22 banks to buy Eastern Air Lines Shuttle (renamed Trump Shuttle).
What happened in Moscow in 1987? Who has been funding Trump?
Financing came from Soviet sources of KGB in the United States - through guarantees of loans, not direct monetary payments. In Moscow-1987, Trump's first political contract took place - he was offered support for a future US presidential campaign, and he agreed.


https://www.facebook.com/sergey.samoilenko.5/posts/pfbid02BkuN9asrJ3CU4Z5TU7wcS4SCAFsgLFxospJErrzyeynm3Fkp3TSh1GVbBmsh61MGl

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Sergey Samoilenko post on Trump is making the rounds. (Original Post) Swede Mar 24 OP
If I wasn't nervous before I read this Tickle Mar 24 #1
Nothing new, we already knew this. Irish_Dem Mar 24 #2
We did, but others did not.. This needs to be spread far and wide. niyad Mar 24 #10
Yes. But we need more. Does he have MadameButterfly Mar 24 #39
Republican politicians don't care Mtnmama Mar 24 #18
They don't care or they agree with the Russian takeover. Irish_Dem Mar 24 #27
They'll care if their social security checks stop MadameButterfly Mar 24 #41
GOP politicians pensions will be safe. Irish_Dem Mar 24 #42
If the regular guys start caring MadameButterfly Mar 24 #55
Fair elections is the tricky bit. Irish_Dem Mar 24 #56
Yeah Cosmocat Mar 24 #19
That middle 1/3 is starting to care, now that Medicare, Social Security and etc. are under the gun TheRickles Mar 24 #21
Trump was recruited by Russia. He got the loans needed in return for doing whatever Moscow wanted of him. Lonestarblue Mar 24 #3
His loyalty is to Russia. He is in so deep he can't possibly disconnect, not that he wants to. Walleye Mar 24 #4
Hey, you gotta go where the money is! dchill Mar 24 #23
Money is the true north of his moral compass. While the rest of us struggle to survive. Walleye Mar 24 #30
It's the true north of the moral compass of the whole GOP. dchill Mar 24 #31
Yep. I wish it were different, but it's not. The whole party has gone sour. Walleye Mar 24 #32
Sour and dangerous. dchill Mar 24 #34
Correct, toxic Walleye Mar 24 #35
I read this one a long time ago I think Meowmee Mar 24 #5
Anyone here who followed the revelations FalloutShelter Mar 24 #6
A lot of people have not followed and don't know. live love laugh Mar 24 #14
So many people just don't want to know Walleye Mar 24 #33
Some but not all may not want to know. It's important to reach as many people as possible. live love laugh Mar 24 #36
I agree, one at a time. Maybe they'll convince their friends or something or maybe their face be eaten by the leopard Walleye Mar 24 #37
Absolutely correct Evolve Dammit Mar 24 #38
The koronation of king krasnov (R-felon) BoRaGard Mar 24 #7
knr UTUSN Mar 24 #8
We have known this for quite a while, but it deserves far wider distribution. niyad Mar 24 #9
Idle observation. .all three of his wives were models. Two were niyad Mar 24 #11
TRUMP IS OWED BY PUTIN & RUSSIA rickyhall Mar 24 #12
It is common knowledge how markodochartaigh Mar 24 #13
Those assets (people) belong to putin. The ones that are still alive. erronis Mar 24 #28
Taylor Swift is richer and more respected than him. multigraincracker Mar 24 #15
After all, the day after the (s)election, the Orange Degenerate was given a veiled threat by Nicolai Patrushev, The_REAL_Ecumenist Mar 24 #16
Is the big money, first-ski. Then comes the treason, da. Kid Berwyn Mar 24 #17
Thank you. Would you consider posting this as its own OP for wider niyad Mar 24 #20
Thank you, niyad! Will do... Kid Berwyn Mar 24 #51
Makes one wonder what reagan bushes part was in "take down that wall". Clouds Passing Mar 24 #58
"...only the best people!" dchill Mar 24 #22
...and this has apparently been all ok with CIA, FBI, DIA PCIntern Mar 24 #24
Why wasn't the CIA on this from the beginning? Sneederbunk Mar 24 #25
What makes you think that they were not? niyad Mar 24 #46
When you deal with them, they own you, as per Eric. republianmushroom Mar 24 #26
K & R & Bookmarked lastlib Mar 24 #29
The Siberian Candidate. n/t Liberal In Texas Mar 24 #40
As much as I would like to believe this ... it's from fakebook UpInArms Mar 24 #43
You have been here for a very long time. This information is not new, niyad Mar 24 #47
Thank you UpInArms Mar 24 #52
This should be the top story...... SergeStorms Mar 24 #44
I wonder if there is any relation? DFW Mar 24 #45
Fascinating that purchasing The Plaza Hotel is on the "to-do" list. SleeplessinSoCal Mar 24 #48
Coincidence that Ivana "fell down the stairs?" joanbarnes Mar 24 #49
It was remarkably convenient Hekate Mar 24 #50
Comrade Krasnov gonna Krasnov. Karasu Mar 24 #53
Melania makes a heck of a lot more sense now - TBF Mar 24 #54
M$M: "Nothing to see here...." Blue Owl Mar 24 #57

Mtnmama

(7 posts)
18. Republican politicians don't care
Mon Mar 24, 2025, 11:31 AM
Mar 24

Their jobs are on the chopping block if they oppose him. And neither do his supporters. They, even when such facts are brought to their attention, brush it off and continue the worship of their idol.

MadameButterfly

(2,762 posts)
41. They'll care if their social security checks stop
Mon Mar 24, 2025, 02:02 PM
Mar 24

or their kid gets deported. Or they can't pay their mortgage, their local school and hospital closes, they get taxed for a foreign war, they can't buy a car, they need a government service that no longer exists, someone they care about gets arrested for speaking....For them, autocracy is too abstract. They don't understand the protections they have until they lose them.

The sooner we can educate them so it doesn't have to go this far, the better. We have to make them care.






Cosmocat

(15,129 posts)
19. Yeah
Mon Mar 24, 2025, 11:39 AM
Mar 24

Unfortunately we are well past the point at which this has any resilience for this country. It burns our arse, but their 1/3 know this and are perfectly fine waiting it, and the "middle" 1/3 simply don't care at this point.

TheRickles

(2,676 posts)
21. That middle 1/3 is starting to care, now that Medicare, Social Security and etc. are under the gun
Mon Mar 24, 2025, 11:59 AM
Mar 24

So this is important info to add to the mix.

Lonestarblue

(12,539 posts)
3. Trump was recruited by Russia. He got the loans needed in return for doing whatever Moscow wanted of him.
Mon Mar 24, 2025, 09:32 AM
Mar 24

I’m sure it was obvious to anyone in the Politburo that Trump is a weak man with no principles easily manipulated by money. It’s quite a coup for Russia to have placed one of their assets in the Oval Office.

Walleye

(39,475 posts)
4. His loyalty is to Russia. He is in so deep he can't possibly disconnect, not that he wants to.
Mon Mar 24, 2025, 09:32 AM
Mar 24

Walleye

(39,475 posts)
30. Money is the true north of his moral compass. While the rest of us struggle to survive.
Mon Mar 24, 2025, 01:17 PM
Mar 24

Meowmee

(8,524 posts)
5. I read this one a long time ago I think
Mon Mar 24, 2025, 09:34 AM
Mar 24

Last edited Mon Mar 24, 2025, 06:31 PM - Edit history (1)

There was another article more recently 2-3 weeks ago maybe by one of his russian contacts.

FalloutShelter

(13,241 posts)
6. Anyone here who followed the revelations
Mon Mar 24, 2025, 09:42 AM
Mar 24

From Louise Mensch already knows all of this….
And I also remember her getting dragged and pretty much cancelled.

All of this has been out there and ignored.

WTFU America.

Walleye

(39,475 posts)
37. I agree, one at a time. Maybe they'll convince their friends or something or maybe their face be eaten by the leopard
Mon Mar 24, 2025, 01:40 PM
Mar 24

niyad

(123,162 posts)
11. Idle observation. .all three of his wives were models. Two were
Mon Mar 24, 2025, 10:03 AM
Mar 24

immigrants, and he cheated on all of them.

markodochartaigh

(2,603 posts)
13. It is common knowledge how
Mon Mar 24, 2025, 10:10 AM
Mar 24

after the fall of the Soviet Union state assets were sold to oiligarchs. It would be interesting to know how the KGB's assets were distributed.

erronis

(18,893 posts)
28. Those assets (people) belong to putin. The ones that are still alive.
Mon Mar 24, 2025, 12:17 PM
Mar 24

He brought a lot of comrades along from his time in the KGB. A very smart and very evil operator.

multigraincracker

(35,413 posts)
15. Taylor Swift is richer and more respected than him.
Mon Mar 24, 2025, 11:00 AM
Mar 24

So he can’t stand her. Plus he fears dogs and has never owned one.

The_REAL_Ecumenist

(903 posts)
16. After all, the day after the (s)election, the Orange Degenerate was given a veiled threat by Nicolai Patrushev,
Mon Mar 24, 2025, 11:07 AM
Mar 24

Putin's former Security Chief & present his"Presidential Aide" though a statement he gave to the Russian newpaper Kommersant, when Patrushev said: "To achieve success in the elections, Donald Trump relied on certain forces to which he has corresponding obligations. And as a responsible person, he will be obliged to fulfill them."


This has been a BLARING KLAXON that EXPLICITLY informed the world that the Nacho Nero was ASSISTED in his "WIN" in the 2024 General Election. When I pointed out that the election was wonky and was clearly problematic, some Duer's made it seem as if I were a conspiracy theorist. Pootie's been all but OUTRIGHT admitting that minus his "HHELP", dump wouldn't NOT have "Won". Anyone remember "COZY BEAR" in the 2016 General election? Why are SO many people determined to ignore what the Russian Govt has been laughing and telling the world what they did? I don't get it.

Kid Berwyn

(19,896 posts)
17. Is the big money, first-ski. Then comes the treason, da.
Mon Mar 24, 2025, 11:17 AM
Mar 24

Craig Unger lifted up the lid...



Trump’s Russian Laundromat

How to use Trump Tower and other luxury high-rises to clean dirty money, run an international crime syndicate, and propel a failed real estate developer into the White House.


By CRAIG UNGER
The New Republic, July , 2017

Excerpt...

Trump made his first trip to Russia in 1987, only a few years before the collapse of the Soviet Union. Invited by Soviet Ambassador Yuri Dubinin, Trump was flown to Moscow and Leningrad—all expenses paid—to talk business with high-ups in the Soviet command. In The Art of the Deal, Trump recounted the lunch meeting with Dubinin that led to the trip. “One thing led to another,” he wrote, “and now I’m talking about building a large luxury hotel, across the street from the Kremlin, in partnership with the Soviet government.”

Over the years, Trump and his sons would try and fail five times to build a new Trump Tower in Moscow. But for Trump, what mattered most were the lucrative connections he had begun to make with the Kremlin—and with the wealthy Russians who would buy so many of his properties in the years to come. “Russians make up a pretty disproportionate cross section of a lot of our assets,” Donald Trump Jr. boasted at a real estate conference in 2008. “We see a lot of money pouring in from Russia.”

The money, illicit and otherwise, began to rain in earnest after the Soviet Union fell in 1991. President Boris Yeltsin’s shift to a market economy was so abrupt that cash-rich gangsters and corrupt government officials were able to privatize and loot state-held assets in oil, coal, minerals, and banking. Yeltsin himself, in fact, would later describe Russia as “the biggest mafia state in the world.” After Vladimir Putin succeeded Yeltsin as president, Russian intelligence effectively joined forces with the country’s mobsters and oligarchs, allowing them to operate freely as long as they strengthen Putin’s power and serve his personal financial interests. According to James Henry, a former chief economist at McKinsey & Company who consulted on the Panama Papers, some $1.3 trillion in illicit capital has poured out of Russia since the 1990s.

At the top of the sprawling criminal enterprise was Semion Mogilevich. Beginning in the early 1980s, according to the FBI, the short, squat Ukrainian was the key money-laundering contact for the Solntsevskaya Bratva, or Brotherhood, one of the richest criminal syndicates in the world. Before long, he was running a multibillion-dollar worldwide racket of his own. Mogilevich wasn’t feared because he was the most violent gangster, but because he was reputedly the smartest. The FBI has credited the “brainy don,” who holds a degree in economics from Lviv University, with a staggering range of crimes. He ran drug trafficking and prostitution rings on an international scale; in one characteristic deal, he bought a bankrupt airline to ship heroin from Southeast Asia into Europe. He used a jewelry business in Moscow and Budapest as a front for art that Russian gangsters stole from museums, churches, and synagogues all over Europe. He has also been accused of selling some $20 million in stolen weapons, including ground-to-air missiles and armored troop carriers, to Iran. “He uses this wealth and power to not only further his criminal enterprises,” the FBI says, “but to influence governments and their economies.”

In Russia, Mogilevich’s influence reportedly reaches all the way to the top. In 2005, Alexander Litvinenko, a Russian intelligence agent who defected to London, recorded an interview with investigators detailing his inside knowledge of the Kremlin’s ties to organized crime. “Mogilevich,” he said in broken English, “have good relationship with Putin since 1994 or 1993.” A year later Litvinenko was dead, apparently poisoned by agents of the Kremlin.

Continues...

https://newrepublic.com/article/143586/trumps-russian-laundromat-trump-tower-luxury-high-rises-dirty-money-international-crime-syndicate

PCIntern

(27,251 posts)
24. ...and this has apparently been all ok with CIA, FBI, DIA
Mon Mar 24, 2025, 12:05 PM
Mar 24

and everyone else.

John LeCarre couldn’t come up with the rationale for why this is acceptable .

lastlib

(25,691 posts)
29. K & R & Bookmarked
Mon Mar 24, 2025, 12:19 PM
Mar 24

The Felon/Crime Minister is CLEARLY in bed with some bad actors, Vladdy-Daddy being at the top of the list. This needs to be spread far and wide!

UpInArms

(52,548 posts)
43. As much as I would like to believe this ... it's from fakebook
Mon Mar 24, 2025, 02:41 PM
Mar 24

The disinformation capital

niyad

(123,162 posts)
47. You have been here for a very long time. This information is not new,
Mon Mar 24, 2025, 03:56 PM
Mar 24

and comes from multiple sources, including the documentary, "Active Measures", and David Enrich's book, "Dark Towers", as well as those by Craig Unger. And we have spawn four's boast that they got all the money they needed from ruzzia.

UpInArms

(52,548 posts)
52. Thank you
Mon Mar 24, 2025, 05:12 PM
Mar 24

I do believe TFG is a Russian asset … I just don’t know how much weight I would give to the fb post

SergeStorms

(19,547 posts)
44. This should be the top story......
Mon Mar 24, 2025, 03:31 PM
Mar 24

on every form of media in the country.

What's that? Conservatives own nearly every form of media in the country? Never mind.

DFW

(57,718 posts)
45. I wonder if there is any relation?
Mon Mar 24, 2025, 03:35 PM
Mar 24

In the 1980s, there was a high-ranking KGB agent, stationed for a while in Geneva, Switzerland, named Anatoly Samoilenko.

Maybe a connection, maybe not................

SleeplessinSoCal

(10,034 posts)
48. Fascinating that purchasing The Plaza Hotel is on the "to-do" list.
Mon Mar 24, 2025, 04:06 PM
Mar 24

Read about it's history of ownership winding presently with Katara Hospitality "formerly known as Qatar National Hotels Company, is the largest hotel owner, developer and operator in Qatar."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plaza_Hotel?wprov=sfla1

TBF

(35,075 posts)
54. Melania makes a heck of a lot more sense now -
Mon Mar 24, 2025, 07:05 PM
Mar 24

although I must say she is not very good at hiding how much she hates her job.

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