How is Tesla stock continue to rise while other car manufacturers tank?

[crimycarny]

I keep seeing Tesla stock rise despite the falling sales, the toxicity of Telsa due to Elon's instability and radical views, Cybertruck recalls, China's EV sales overtaking Telsa, China's advanced battery technology (4x the distance added after a 5-minute charge--BYD 400 km versus Tesla 106 km), the ridiculously inflated P/E ratio for Tesla...yet Tesla stock continues to rise?

There must be some manipulation, but I can't imagine it is sustainable. Feels similar to the housing bubble that eventually burst.

Stinks of corruption, but I'm not market savvy enough to know what sorts of manipulations can increase Tesla's stocks against all odds and all indicators.

Edited to add: I know Tesla makes more than just cars, but their battery technology (used for Solar battery backup, for example) is falling behind and production is slow. They announced a "Tesla Tiny Home" that at this stage is just a concept and not even close to production (if ever). I don't understand the jump unless it's those who have a ton more money than I do manipulating the market, artificially inflating the price to cash out. Musk has several accusations in the past of manipulating both Tesla stock and Twitter stock.

[Eugene]

1. Tariffs hurt Tesla less. The main difference is fewer supply chain border crossings.

Tesla EVs sold in the U.S. are made in domestically, while other cars may cross the Canadian border as many as 8 times during their assembly.

Also, First Buddy Elon Musk has crafted special carve-outs for Tesla's China business.

[Submariner]

2. Well, first you get elected

to lead all three branches of government controlling the White House, the senate, the house.

Then you pack the SCOTUS with the easily bought republican maganazi judges, by having the diarrhea Don friendly heritage foundation provide international vacation packages and/or RV upgrade with exclusive Walmart parking lot parking privileges, to sway the vote.

When you accomplish all that, and you're a fascist party before country Putin glory hole, then manipulating the market is EZ-PZ.

[RJ-MacReady]

3. Tesla is done

They are now largely irrelevant and likely won't even around in a few years.

[Polybius]

21. Bold prediction for a company that just had the world's best-selling car

I can't wait to pop back in in a few years. Bookmarking.

[RJ-MacReady]

22. it's obvious

And I dont believe it had the world's best selling car. Sales are down nearly 80%.

[Polybius]

29. You don't believe facts that mainstream news media reported?

If it wasn't for Mush getting into politics, Tesla would dominate the world. But he went nuts. Still though, Tesla will be around another 100 years, bank on it. Musk may be ousted.

[RJ-MacReady]

32. Tesla is crashing

It was never the juggernaut it was hyped to be. EVs are not here to stay mark my words. A new source will surpass it. Hydrogen.

[Polybius]

34. Well no sense debating about the future

We'll just have to wait and see what happens over the next few years. You don't think EV's will be the majority of cars by 2050?

Hydrogen cars seem incredible, but will the cost go down? Hydrogen fuel is currently more expensive than gasoline.

[RJ-MacReady]

35. Yes I believe yhat

By 2050 EVs will ne a different animal. Electric maybe but not lithium batteries

[Hugin]

4. It's become a meme stock...

With no relation to the value of being an auto manufacturer or the vehicles sold.

[ProfessorGAC]

5. Or Their Assets

The market cap is more than 8x assets.
By contrast, Dow Chemical has a market cap of ~0.5 assets.

[Hugin]

6. Speaking of assets...

A few weeks ago there were stories about how Musk had sunk large chunks of Tesla in crypto. Maybe even most of it.

Somehow, being a crypto laundry factors into this levitation act.

[ProfessorGAC]

7. He Only Owns 12%

So, unless he diluted his own shareholding, I don't see how that's possible, unless tge board gave him carte blanche to mess with treasury stock.

[Happy Hoosier]

17. He's the "CEO" of Tesla

And the board is full of sychophants. He can (and has) sunk a lot Tesla’s cash reserves in to BTC.

[ProfessorGAC]

24. They Had A Total....

....of $36 billion in cash, cash reserves and STI. Their free cash flow was only $2 billion at the end of '24.
Unless all their STI all went into crypto, I find it questionable that there is that much TSLA money in crypto.
I don't doubt there is some, but a lot? I don't know about that.

[Blue Full Moon]

8. Someone is buying stock back. Teslas are made in China.

Old USEC trick and Enron probably did it too.

[Ping Tung]

9. Some people just like to show off their taste for overpriced, overrated, ugly cars.

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[crimycarny]

10. The Cybertruck truly is the ugliest car/truck I've ever seen

Musk had to have someting to do with the design of the Cybertruck. I can't think of an uglier symbol for Twitter than the "X" symbol he came up with, for example. Both the Cybertruck and the "X" have the same type of ugliness to them.

[haele]

13. Hey, the Cyber truck is like the flying car Bladerunner would have driven!

Not Deckard, mind you - he announced it as "like Bladerunner would drive..."
Wow, isn't he edgy and cool...

[crimycarny]

14. Lol--looks more like the Sandcrawler from Star Wars

I forgot Elon said that. Can you find two more clownish-looking men than Trump and Musk? No. But somehow they are able to win cult like adoration from MAGA.

As long as I live I will never understand.

[LostOne4Ever]

11. Tesla has been down more than up

While it is slightly up today it was way more down yesterday.

I know because watching TSLA sink on the stock market is one of my ways of coping under this administration!

[Maeve]

12. Here's an article that helps explain

https://www.businessinsider.com/tesla-stock-price-decline-retail-investors-tsla-insider-sales-jpmorgan-2025-3

Tesla insiders are selling, retail buyers are pumping cash into it....who do you think is making the better decision?

[crimycarny]

15. Dang--behind a pay wall

But I think I get the gist. Basically, Musk is trying to fool people into buying the stock, but the insiders selling means they know the ship is sinking.

[Celerity]

16. here

https://archive.ph/9BOjq

[crimycarny]

30. Thank you. "Hold on to your stock"--Enron

Thanks for the archive link to the article. If I were a Tesla employee I'd sell all I could after hearing Musk say "hold onto your stock". If Musk's lips are moving, he's lying. So very similar to Enron!

[uponit7771]

18. Money Laundering for big rug pull. 67% of Americans wouldn't touch Enron or his shitty cars and the carbon credits he ..

.. was paying the bills on isn't bringing in the cash.

[IrishBubbaLiberal]

28. Lot of idiot retail buyers

Compare to the DOT COM bubble in 1990s

Lots of idiot retail buyers.

Institutional investors are many times ALSO just riding the wave,
Both UP and DOWN

Stock movement in either direction makes one TONS of money
IF you choose the righ direction,,, for SHORT TERM TRADERS.

Long term ,, TESLAS is likely a TURD.

Short term, the MARKET MAKERS of Tesla can indeed manipulate share price,

I suspect there is also BILLIONS in stock trading being manipulated,

Kinda of a PUMP N DUMP.

When numerous ANALysts issue BUY or HOLD,
they usually have BIG HOLDERS DUMPING THE STOCK.

The stock market is a den of corruption

[Meowmee]

19. It was just dropping a lot recently though?

I have not seen the recent events with that. I think it is manipulation. The very wealthy investors are constantly manipulating the market. Elunatic was being investigated before he bought the election and now that has been cancelled. He totally lives off the US gov money, our money! See this article and others. His biz would be nothing without OUR money.

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/report-says-elon-musks-businesses-150042117.html

[Polybius]

20. As Yoda would say, "Surprised, you are?"

It was bound to rebound, becauseit dropped so fast. It was never expected to go sub-$200.

[Emile]

23. If it's on the rise, I would dump it. Get out before you lose your ass.

[hunter]

25. Investors believe Tesla is going to become the U.S.A. version of the Soviet GAZ Chaika and ZIL-111.

All of our Great Leaders will be driven around in Teslas.



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GAZ_Chaika
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ZIL-111

Other Great Americans, those who can afford cars, will be driving smokey oil burning antiques held together with Bondo and bailing wire, or brand new "traditionally styled" SUV death traps made out of cardboard and plastic.

In other words, the U.S.A. auto industry will become a joke.

[bucolic_frolic]

26. TSLA vehicles are losing pricing power.

There is competition now, even if Trump is trying to tariff it away, and that creates uncertainty for revenue streams and debt repayment.

But TSLA has technology, they're into more than just vehicles.

[C_U_L8R]

27. Gonna be some butthurt investors

Sure, the stock is being pumped but no one is buying the dang stupid cars. The law of gravity will win.

[crimycarny]

31. Good analogy

"The law of gravity will win."

I honestly feel like we're observing Elon disassembling mentally in real time. He truly seems to be spiraling, doubling down on his hate and right-wing fueled conspiracy theories in a desperate attempt to regain a sense of control.

Both Elon and Trump are narcissists who crave adoration, but I think Trump isn't as affected in the same way as Elon is. I don't know how to articulate what I mean. It feels like Trump's short attention span and lack of intelligence give him a bit more protective armor. Yes, Trump will rage and rant and won't ever forget a slight (and will be deadset on revenge), but he also seems more capable of lying to himself about how great he is.

Elon doesn't seem to have that armor and can't deal with the idea that others he sees himself as superior to are showing him public disdain. He's spiraling.

[C_U_L8R]

33. I think you're right.

Trump has years experience to ferment and harden his disorders. Musk is much more of a wild card and you can see his flailing as he flops. It's a long long fall down and he's gonna hit the canyon floor with a mighty splat.